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Re: Searching for Wischnefsky in Rosonsky #galicia

Brentsi
 

Dear all,

Upon writing Rosonsky (sounds like) on Steve Morse's gold form,
one finds several similar names.

I suggest, Avi, that you do just that and try to choose >from the list.

Sincerely,

Brenda Habshush, Israel

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Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Searching for Wischnefsky in Rosonsky #galicia

Brentsi
 

Dear all,

Upon writing Rosonsky (sounds like) on Steve Morse's gold form,
one finds several similar names.

I suggest, Avi, that you do just that and try to choose >from the list.

Sincerely,

Brenda Habshush, Israel

.


William/Wiley STONE or STEIN in North Carolina #usa

mltex@...
 

I have been researching my genealogy for about 15 years. One of my big
challenges is my ggggrandfather, who I have listed as Wiley STONE, b 25
Mar 1786 in NC and died 10 Feb 1870 in Nacogdoches, TX. Early in my
research I read a post on ancestry.com that he had committed a serious
crime, fled to TN, and changed his name >from STEIN to STONE.

I have heard the story of a name change >from different sources over the
years. The most recent story is that he was >from Germany and people in
the community didn't like Germans so he changed his name to STONE.

Whatever the reason may be, I have come to believe that he did change
his name. One of his granddaughters even named her son Ennis Stein Spradley.
The earliest I have found him is on the 1830 Bedford, TN census. He

would have been 44 yrs. old. It is like he did not exist before that
time. He moved to Nacogdoches before TX became a state. He was married
and had 6 children.

A direct male descendant had the DNA testing a year or so ago. I think
he was tested against other STONEs. A connection was not made until 32
generations back.

Can anyone offer any suggestions on how to solve this mystery?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Margaret Loper-Houston, TX MLTex@...


Early American SIG #USA William/Wiley STONE or STEIN in North Carolina #usa

mltex@...
 

I have been researching my genealogy for about 15 years. One of my big
challenges is my ggggrandfather, who I have listed as Wiley STONE, b 25
Mar 1786 in NC and died 10 Feb 1870 in Nacogdoches, TX. Early in my
research I read a post on ancestry.com that he had committed a serious
crime, fled to TN, and changed his name >from STEIN to STONE.

I have heard the story of a name change >from different sources over the
years. The most recent story is that he was >from Germany and people in
the community didn't like Germans so he changed his name to STONE.

Whatever the reason may be, I have come to believe that he did change
his name. One of his granddaughters even named her son Ennis Stein Spradley.
The earliest I have found him is on the 1830 Bedford, TN census. He

would have been 44 yrs. old. It is like he did not exist before that
time. He moved to Nacogdoches before TX became a state. He was married
and had 6 children.

A direct male descendant had the DNA testing a year or so ago. I think
he was tested against other STONEs. A connection was not made until 32
generations back.

Can anyone offer any suggestions on how to solve this mystery?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Margaret Loper-Houston, TX MLTex@...


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Ausburg [*not* Augsburg] #rabbinic

Mordechai Perlman
 

Does anyone know where in the general German area, the city, town or
village of "Ausburg" is? I thought that it was a spelling error and that
Augsburg was meant, but I see in a number of Rishonim (early Talmudic
authorities), the names of both are spelled differently and that in the
Maharil (1365-1427) he states that the two cities are not the same. However,
I cannot find it on any map.
Anybody know where it is? (the name might be spelled today Ausberg,
Osburg, Osberg, etc.)

Thanks,
Mordechai Perlman


Ausburg [*not* Augsburg] #rabbinic

Mordechai Perlman
 

Does anyone know where in the general German area, the city, town or
village of "Ausburg" is? I thought that it was a spelling error and that
Augsburg was meant, but I see in a number of Rishonim (early Talmudic
authorities), the names of both are spelled differently and that in the
Maharil (1365-1427) he states that the two cities are not the same. However,
I cannot find it on any map.
Anybody know where it is? (the name might be spelled today Ausberg,
Osburg, Osberg, etc.)

Thanks,
Mordechai Perlman


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic GRAMPS genealogy program for Unix/Linux #rabbinic

Mordechai Perlman
 

As the moderator has made clear, how different genealogical programs
work, is beyond the scope of this forum. For the record, due to the myriad
responses I have received to my query, for which RavSig needs to be
commended, I am trying to use GRAMPS.

Thank you,
Mordechai Perlman


GRAMPS genealogy program for Unix/Linux #rabbinic

Mordechai Perlman
 

As the moderator has made clear, how different genealogical programs
work, is beyond the scope of this forum. For the record, due to the myriad
responses I have received to my query, for which RavSig needs to be
commended, I am trying to use GRAMPS.

Thank you,
Mordechai Perlman


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Following female lines #rabbinic

Mordechai Perlman
 

I wrote:

<< Another example, Rabbeinu Tam, Rashbam and Rivam are all brothers,
<< sons of Rabbeinu Meir (Rashi's son-in-law).

Karen Roekard wrote:

The part of me that is a genealogist actively involved in searching
out the so-hard-to-find females, mothers and wives, the ones who
risked their lives in perilous times to give birth to babies, the
ones whose names you find so often in death records as having died
so very, very young in childbirth or shortly after, that part of me
is very disturbed that you choose to mention Rashi and then define
his grandsons only by their father, "Rashi's son-in-law".
For the record, the daughter of Rashi who married Rabbeinu Meir was
called Yocheved.
However, my task is to map the transmission of Torah as it was
studied in Ashkenaz. This was done primarily, if not exclusively, by the men
(if you can find a couple of exceptions, it will not affect the rule).
The reason that women are rarely known is for the same reason that
the men are known. The men that are known are only known because of the
effect that their lives had, not on their inner family circle, but on the
community. And to the degree that their effect was felt on succeeding
generations, to that degree their names remained known in the years that
followed. Rashi and his illustrious grandsons made their mark on Torah
learning forever. Hence, they are remembered by all. His son-in-law is only
known to historians and to the few scholars that have come across his name
in the books of his sons. How his daughter's name came to be remembered is
anyone's guess. (The daughter's daughter was named Chanah (she was possibly
the wife of Rabbeinu Yitzchak of Dampierre); her name is known because she
passed away during her brother's lifetime (her brother was Rabbeinu Tam) and
a halachic question arose as to his eating meat before her burial.) His
other three daughters (he only had daughters) also married illustrious Torah
scholars (we even know the names of some of them) but their husbands were
not as famous and so their wives' names are not remembered.
This should be cause for alarm. For one, G-d remembers everyone.
Secondly, the lessons that good and pious Jewish mothers impart to the
generations in which they live is available in every generation.

Thank you,
Mordechai Perlman


Following female lines #rabbinic

Mordechai Perlman
 

I wrote:

<< Another example, Rabbeinu Tam, Rashbam and Rivam are all brothers,
<< sons of Rabbeinu Meir (Rashi's son-in-law).

Karen Roekard wrote:

The part of me that is a genealogist actively involved in searching
out the so-hard-to-find females, mothers and wives, the ones who
risked their lives in perilous times to give birth to babies, the
ones whose names you find so often in death records as having died
so very, very young in childbirth or shortly after, that part of me
is very disturbed that you choose to mention Rashi and then define
his grandsons only by their father, "Rashi's son-in-law".
For the record, the daughter of Rashi who married Rabbeinu Meir was
called Yocheved.
However, my task is to map the transmission of Torah as it was
studied in Ashkenaz. This was done primarily, if not exclusively, by the men
(if you can find a couple of exceptions, it will not affect the rule).
The reason that women are rarely known is for the same reason that
the men are known. The men that are known are only known because of the
effect that their lives had, not on their inner family circle, but on the
community. And to the degree that their effect was felt on succeeding
generations, to that degree their names remained known in the years that
followed. Rashi and his illustrious grandsons made their mark on Torah
learning forever. Hence, they are remembered by all. His son-in-law is only
known to historians and to the few scholars that have come across his name
in the books of his sons. How his daughter's name came to be remembered is
anyone's guess. (The daughter's daughter was named Chanah (she was possibly
the wife of Rabbeinu Yitzchak of Dampierre); her name is known because she
passed away during her brother's lifetime (her brother was Rabbeinu Tam) and
a halachic question arose as to his eating meat before her burial.) His
other three daughters (he only had daughters) also married illustrious Torah
scholars (we even know the names of some of them) but their husbands were
not as famous and so their wives' names are not remembered.
This should be cause for alarm. For one, G-d remembers everyone.
Secondly, the lessons that good and pious Jewish mothers impart to the
generations in which they live is available in every generation.

Thank you,
Mordechai Perlman


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Congregation Beth Aaron Chasidim D'Koidanoff - Manhattan #rabbinic

David Shapiro
 

áúàøéê 10/29/2010 8:04 AM, öéèåè Rabbinic Genealogy SIG digest:
Does anyone know the religious practices for this Manhattan Synagogue
[Congregation Beth Aaron Chasidim D'Koidanoff] between 1905 through 1915?
This synagogue was apparently named for Rav Aharon of Kaidonov, who
passed away in 1897. His brother, Rav Sholom of Kaidonov wrote
"Mishmeres Sholom", about 1900, and published apparently about 1902 or
soon thereafter (publication date is not given on the title page). This
book gives the customs of Chassidei Kaidonov. I think it's reasonable to
assume that these customs were more or less closely followed in that
synagogue. A pdf version is available >from Hebrewbooks.org at
http://hebrewbooks.org/8944.

David Shapiro
Jerusalem


Re: Congregation Beth Aaron Chasidim D'Koidanoff - Manhattan #general

David Shapiro
 

áúàøéê 10/29/2010 8:04 AM, öéèåè Rabbinic Genealogy SIG digest:
Does anyone know the religious practices for this Manhattan Synagogue
[Congregation Beth Aaron Chasidim D'Koidanoff] between 1905 through 1915?
This synagogue was apparently named for Rav Aharon of Kaidonov, who
passed away in 1897. His brother, Rav Sholom of Kaidonov wrote
"Mishmeres Sholom", about 1900, and published apparently about 1902 or
soon thereafter (publication date is not given on the title page). This
book gives the customs of Chassidei Kaidonov. I think it's reasonable to
assume that these customs were more or less closely followed in that
synagogue. A pdf version is available >from Hebrewbooks.org at
http://hebrewbooks.org/8944.

David Shapiro
Jerusalem


Latvia SIG #Latvia New tool for finding births, deaths, divorces, marriages, etc., in Latvia #latvia

Stephen Weinstein
 

I have received messages >from at least two different users saying that they
received my follow-up message announcing changes to the tool, but did not have
the link that was in the original message.

Any of the following links should work for the tool for finding the right pages
on the websites of Christine Usdin and the Latvian archives

http://www.competitivegenealogy.com/VitalRecordsofJewsinLatvia.html
http://www.competitivegenealogy.info/VitalRecordsofJewsinLatvia.html
http://www.competitivegenealogy.com/vitalrecordsofjewsinlatvia.html
http://www.competitivegenealogy.info/vitalrecordsofjewsinlatvia.html

The .com and .info sites are currently identical, but I might discontinue one in
the future. If either one stops working someday, then switch to using the
other. (The reason that I loaded two copies of the tool onto each domain is
that the servers are case-sensitive.)

Not all the features work if you search for English records only or for original
images only.

It works best if you tell it to search for both. Even if you ultimately want to
see the original images, it is best to search for both, look at the English
first, find the page number, and then look at the original image for that page.
This is much faster than going through all the pages of original images.

Example:
Say I am searching for someone born in Dvinsk whose father had a name like Abram
Steingen and whose mother had a name like Chasie Gleek and I do not know the
year.
First, I go to my site and select Dvinsk in the first column, "births" in the
second column, and "all" in the third (years) column. I click "Find original
images and English text" and wait a moment.
Next, I click one of the links for English text, which takes me to Christine's
site. If I do not find the record that I want, then I click the back button to
return to the search results, and try the next English text link.
Eventually, I get to
http://www.premiumorange.com/rigavitalrecords/birthsdvinskninetyfive.html (what
Christine has typed for 1895).
I find that a close match there is a father named Abram-Yankel Leibovich
Shteinga and a mother named Khasa Zusmanovna Glik, that the baby is male, and
that it is on page 7, record 19.
I go back to the search results, find the line for the year 1895, and click the
"Select 1 page to display" link next to the year 1895.
Where it says "Enter desired page number", I enter 7 and click submit.
Another window opens, where I click the link for "Image of page 7 only."
This takes me directly to
http://img1.lvva-raduraksti.lv/rabinati/004359-0002-000003/LVVA-004359-0002-000003-0007-M3.jpg

which is the correct page.
Two of the records are numbered 19. I look for the one where the 19 is in the
male column.

Stephen Weinstein
Camarillo, CA
USA

MODERATOR NOTE: Please continue privately.


New tool for finding births, deaths, divorces, marriages, etc., in Latvia #latvia

Stephen Weinstein
 

I have received messages >from at least two different users saying that they
received my follow-up message announcing changes to the tool, but did not have
the link that was in the original message.

Any of the following links should work for the tool for finding the right pages
on the websites of Christine Usdin and the Latvian archives

http://www.competitivegenealogy.com/VitalRecordsofJewsinLatvia.html
http://www.competitivegenealogy.info/VitalRecordsofJewsinLatvia.html
http://www.competitivegenealogy.com/vitalrecordsofjewsinlatvia.html
http://www.competitivegenealogy.info/vitalrecordsofjewsinlatvia.html

The .com and .info sites are currently identical, but I might discontinue one in
the future. If either one stops working someday, then switch to using the
other. (The reason that I loaded two copies of the tool onto each domain is
that the servers are case-sensitive.)

Not all the features work if you search for English records only or for original
images only.

It works best if you tell it to search for both. Even if you ultimately want to
see the original images, it is best to search for both, look at the English
first, find the page number, and then look at the original image for that page.
This is much faster than going through all the pages of original images.

Example:
Say I am searching for someone born in Dvinsk whose father had a name like Abram
Steingen and whose mother had a name like Chasie Gleek and I do not know the
year.
First, I go to my site and select Dvinsk in the first column, "births" in the
second column, and "all" in the third (years) column. I click "Find original
images and English text" and wait a moment.
Next, I click one of the links for English text, which takes me to Christine's
site. If I do not find the record that I want, then I click the back button to
return to the search results, and try the next English text link.
Eventually, I get to
http://www.premiumorange.com/rigavitalrecords/birthsdvinskninetyfive.html (what
Christine has typed for 1895).
I find that a close match there is a father named Abram-Yankel Leibovich
Shteinga and a mother named Khasa Zusmanovna Glik, that the baby is male, and
that it is on page 7, record 19.
I go back to the search results, find the line for the year 1895, and click the
"Select 1 page to display" link next to the year 1895.
Where it says "Enter desired page number", I enter 7 and click submit.
Another window opens, where I click the link for "Image of page 7 only."
This takes me directly to
http://img1.lvva-raduraksti.lv/rabinati/004359-0002-000003/LVVA-004359-0002-000003-0007-M3.jpg

which is the correct page.
Two of the records are numbered 19. I look for the one where the 19 is in the
male column.

Stephen Weinstein
Camarillo, CA
USA

MODERATOR NOTE: Please continue privately.


Death records. Liepaja. From: 1863 to 1868 #latvia

Christine Usdin
 


Latvia SIG #Latvia Death records. Liepaja. From: 1863 to 1868 #latvia

Christine Usdin
 


Locating the correct country #poland

henry schwartz <henry@...>
 

Hi all,

Names of towns and cities in Central Europe have changed frequently
over the past 200 years. I try to enter the correct town name,
county and district as well as the country during my ancestors'
period.

Most towns that I am researching were part of Austria-Hungary.
The dual monarchy existed >from 1867-1918. I have no problem locating
the towns and getting the proper gazetteer for the towns, county and
country for those years. Prior to 1867 the region was ruled by many
different empires and monarchs. Austrian Empire ruled between 1804-1867
and Hungary only had a tiny portion of territory. The European map
constantly changed at some point in history Hungary or even Poland
didn't exist at all or their border line moved to different location.

My question is, is there a gazetteer or map that will tell me based on
the town and year which country it was under. For instance if someone is
from Satoraljaujhely, Prague or Lublin etc. prior to 1867 or prior to
1804 which country was he born in, Hungary or Austria Empire etc.?

Thank you,
Henry Schwartz


JRI Poland #Poland Locating the correct country #poland

henry schwartz <henry@...>
 

Hi all,

Names of towns and cities in Central Europe have changed frequently
over the past 200 years. I try to enter the correct town name,
county and district as well as the country during my ancestors'
period.

Most towns that I am researching were part of Austria-Hungary.
The dual monarchy existed >from 1867-1918. I have no problem locating
the towns and getting the proper gazetteer for the towns, county and
country for those years. Prior to 1867 the region was ruled by many
different empires and monarchs. Austrian Empire ruled between 1804-1867
and Hungary only had a tiny portion of territory. The European map
constantly changed at some point in history Hungary or even Poland
didn't exist at all or their border line moved to different location.

My question is, is there a gazetteer or map that will tell me based on
the town and year which country it was under. For instance if someone is
from Satoraljaujhely, Prague or Lublin etc. prior to 1867 or prior to
1804 which country was he born in, Hungary or Austria Empire etc.?

Thank you,
Henry Schwartz


Re: Holocaust Era Immigration Files #poland

Bev Beiman <bevshul@...>
 

im,

Several years ago I had the same thought and went to the National
Archives in DC to search for visa applications. After ascertaining
that these visa applications (>from The Netherlands in my family's
case) were strangely unlisted and unavailable to the general public,
the archivist on duty called an expert out >from the recesses of the
restricted area, who checked and told me the following: visa
applications >from Europe >from the critical period in question had been
destroyed shortly after the war and were permanently unavailable. The
reasons are insidious and obvious, though not openly stated.

There is a small surviving partial index on 3x5 index cards which the
public cannot access. Only the archivists have access and when they
have time they can/will retrieve the information for you if there is
any. I found just one family member with only an indication that she
applied had and very little else. Disappointing and infuriating.

Beverly Beiman
Yehud, ISRAEL

Our questions are:

Where in the National Archives [?] are all of these application files,
both >from the Immigration and Naturalization Department and >from the
consulates in Poland? Are they easily accessible under FOIA? What's
the procedure for obtaining them?

Jim and Myrna Bennett
Haifa


JRI Poland #Poland Re: Holocaust Era Immigration Files #poland

Bev Beiman <bevshul@...>
 

im,

Several years ago I had the same thought and went to the National
Archives in DC to search for visa applications. After ascertaining
that these visa applications (>from The Netherlands in my family's
case) were strangely unlisted and unavailable to the general public,
the archivist on duty called an expert out >from the recesses of the
restricted area, who checked and told me the following: visa
applications >from Europe >from the critical period in question had been
destroyed shortly after the war and were permanently unavailable. The
reasons are insidious and obvious, though not openly stated.

There is a small surviving partial index on 3x5 index cards which the
public cannot access. Only the archivists have access and when they
have time they can/will retrieve the information for you if there is
any. I found just one family member with only an indication that she
applied had and very little else. Disappointing and infuriating.

Beverly Beiman
Yehud, ISRAEL

Our questions are:

Where in the National Archives [?] are all of these application files,
both >from the Immigration and Naturalization Department and >from the
consulates in Poland? Are they easily accessible under FOIA? What's
the procedure for obtaining them?

Jim and Myrna Bennett
Haifa