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HALPERN Genealogy #rabbinic

Gilbert Hendlisz <gilbert.hendlisz@...>
 

Hello to the group,

A fellow genealogist has sent me a family tree of one branch of the
rabbinical HEILPRIN family. I have a question about the descendancy of
Rabbi Eliezer Lipman Heilprin, ABD Tiktin, born, around 1575. His second
wife was Margula bat Naftali Tzvi Hirsch Schor.

According to this family tree, one of his sons would have been
Avraham, living during the 17th century who had at least three children:
a daughter, a son called Yechiel Michel and another son called Beniamin
Wolf who died in Lublin in 1704. It is in the descendancy of this
Beniamin Wolf that I am interested;
The tree mentions only a son, Meir, who died in 1722 married with a
daughter of a Levite. Are there other children ?
The tree also shows two children to this Meir: a daughter, Dobrush/
Dvorah and a son, David who was married with a girl >from the Halberstam
family.
I would like very much to have informations about this David, his wife
and who were their children.

It seems that the source of this tree would be the book Meorei Galicia
by Rabbi Meir Vunder, but there were maby other sources about this
branch of the Heilprin family.
If someone has this book at his disposal or other relevant sources on
this matter, I would be very gratefull.

Thanks in advance,

Gilbert Hendlisz (Brussels)
Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic HALPERN Genealogy #rabbinic

Gilbert Hendlisz <gilbert.hendlisz@...>
 

Hello to the group,

A fellow genealogist has sent me a family tree of one branch of the
rabbinical HEILPRIN family. I have a question about the descendancy of
Rabbi Eliezer Lipman Heilprin, ABD Tiktin, born, around 1575. His second
wife was Margula bat Naftali Tzvi Hirsch Schor.

According to this family tree, one of his sons would have been
Avraham, living during the 17th century who had at least three children:
a daughter, a son called Yechiel Michel and another son called Beniamin
Wolf who died in Lublin in 1704. It is in the descendancy of this
Beniamin Wolf that I am interested;
The tree mentions only a son, Meir, who died in 1722 married with a
daughter of a Levite. Are there other children ?
The tree also shows two children to this Meir: a daughter, Dobrush/
Dvorah and a son, David who was married with a girl >from the Halberstam
family.
I would like very much to have informations about this David, his wife
and who were their children.

It seems that the source of this tree would be the book Meorei Galicia
by Rabbi Meir Vunder, but there were maby other sources about this
branch of the Heilprin family.
If someone has this book at his disposal or other relevant sources on
this matter, I would be very gratefull.

Thanks in advance,

Gilbert Hendlisz (Brussels)
Re: Question concerning tombstones #rabbinic

Ben Turin
 

MOH"R is often used an an honorific for an individual who was a
knowledgeable learned lay-person. I have a number of those in my
family as well.

From: Michael Waas <mwaas1989@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 10:32:54 -0400
I have a question that has come up lately that I'd like to see
answered. In my family and in a relative's family, we have a few
ancestors and associated family with the notation of MOH''R on their
tombstones. Yet, for all of the deceased, we have absolutely no record
of them as a rabbi (thus far). As far as I know, the appelation of
Moreinu HaRav only appears on the matsevot of rabbis.
--
Ben Turin
www.genetrail.com
Re: Question concerning tombstones #rabbinic

Lynn Saul <lynnsaul@...>
 

The designation "morenu" is our teacher--probably considered a rabbi
because of Jewish scholarship. Not all were "Official graduates" as
we have today.
I recommend the book "Lithuanian Yeshivot of the 19th c" by Stampfer
and also his book "Families Rabbis and Education" for an overview of
your ancestor's situation. (mine too, one a dayan amd the other moreh.)

Lynn Saul

From: Michael Waas <mwaas1989@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 10:32:54 -0400
I have a question that has come up lately that I'd like to see
answered. In my family and in a relative's family, we have a few
ancestors and associated family with the notation of MOH''R on their
tombstones. Yet, for all of the deceased, we have absolutely no record
of them as a rabbi (thus far). As far as I know, the appelation of
Moreinu HaRav only appears on the matsevot of rabbis.
...
Re: Question concerning tombstones #rabbinic

Shlomo Katz
 

from my observations, that acronym was very liberally used on
tombstones as well as on ketubot and other documents. It seems to
have been similar to the way we call people "Reb so-and-so" today.
Shlomo Katz
Silver Spring MD
Re: Question concerning tombstones #rabbinic

Michael Waas
 

Hi,

I want to thank everyone who has responded so far. I've received some
very thoughtful answers on the issue.

Best,

Michael Waas
Miami, FL
Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Question concerning tombstones #rabbinic

Ben Turin
 

MOH"R is often used an an honorific for an individual who was a
knowledgeable learned lay-person. I have a number of those in my
family as well.

From: Michael Waas <mwaas1989@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 10:32:54 -0400
I have a question that has come up lately that I'd like to see
answered. In my family and in a relative's family, we have a few
ancestors and associated family with the notation of MOH''R on their
tombstones. Yet, for all of the deceased, we have absolutely no record
of them as a rabbi (thus far). As far as I know, the appelation of
Moreinu HaRav only appears on the matsevot of rabbis.
--
Ben Turin
www.genetrail.com
Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Question concerning tombstones #rabbinic

Lynn Saul <lynnsaul@...>
 

The designation "morenu" is our teacher--probably considered a rabbi
because of Jewish scholarship. Not all were "Official graduates" as
we have today.
I recommend the book "Lithuanian Yeshivot of the 19th c" by Stampfer
and also his book "Families Rabbis and Education" for an overview of
your ancestor's situation. (mine too, one a dayan amd the other moreh.)

Lynn Saul

From: Michael Waas <mwaas1989@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 10:32:54 -0400
I have a question that has come up lately that I'd like to see
answered. In my family and in a relative's family, we have a few
ancestors and associated family with the notation of MOH''R on their
tombstones. Yet, for all of the deceased, we have absolutely no record
of them as a rabbi (thus far). As far as I know, the appelation of
Moreinu HaRav only appears on the matsevot of rabbis.
...
Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Question concerning tombstones #rabbinic

Shlomo Katz
 

from my observations, that acronym was very liberally used on
tombstones as well as on ketubot and other documents. It seems to
have been similar to the way we call people "Reb so-and-so" today.
Shlomo Katz
Silver Spring MD
Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Question concerning tombstones #rabbinic

Michael Waas
 

Hi,

I want to thank everyone who has responded so far. I've received some
very thoughtful answers on the issue.

Best,

Michael Waas
Miami, FL
Re: Civil Registrations #hungary

tom
 

i don't know if there are any lists of emigrants after the
revolution, since most of them left illegally as refugees. at the
time, entire trainloads, often including the train crew, crossed the
border into austria, without proper travel documents, and requested
asylum.

i know a little bit about my own family, where we had to pretend that
my father had abandoned us (my mother and me), so that the government
wouldn't confiscate our property. and because all mail was being
monitored, our letters were not addressed to him, and we had to be
careful with what we said.

as an interesting footnote, we left after the revolution on legal
exit passports, which were quite rare. and if there is, probably, a
record of it, that would be very much the exception rather than the
rule.


....... tom klein, toronto

sankosy5@rogers.com wrote:

On another note.......... is there any searchable resource that
allows one to trace Hungarians since the War? I found some of my
family listed as survivors in the Nevek Klarsfeld, but I don't know
how to find what happened next. Some of the earlier birth and
marriage records have comments at the end of the row about
conversion or death. The Joint sometimes has emigration cards with a
bit of info. I've also used the Boros Lajos burial record to try to
connect to names.

I just wondered if there were available post-1945 city directories
or emigration lists since the Revolution.
IAJGS Paris 2012 last day for online registration #hungary

bounce-2451986-772961@...
 

Remember: today is the last day for on-line registration"

("Rappel : aujourd'hui est le dernier jour pour les inscriptions en ligne).


Speakers: don't forget to bring your presentation on a flashdrive."

("Conférenciers : n'oubliez d'apporter votre support de présentation sur clé
USB).


See you very soon in Paris!"
("A très bientôt à Paris) !


The committee
IAJGS PARIS 2012 - last news #hungary

bounce-2452527-772961@...
 

Thanks to all those who registered yesterday.
Given the success we have decided to extend the opening of online
registration (www.paris2012.eu) until tomorrow Thursday noon - Paris time

Merci à tous ceux, tres nombreux, qui se sont inscrits hier : devant ce
succes, nous avons decide de prolonger l'ouverture des inscriptions sur le
Site (www.paris2012.eu) jusqu'à demain jeudi - heure de Paris !

The committee
Anna BRYK (1852-?) #hungary

oliverbryk@...
 

My widowed great-grandfather Adolf BRYK married Anna JELENKIEWICZ in =
1880 in Vienna. She was born on 18 November 1852.=20

After Adolf died in Vienna in 1912, Anna lived with her daughter Ella =
LEIMDORFER's family in Durdenovac, a small town near Nasice, west of =
Zagreb.=20

Ella moved to Zagreb after her husband Aladar LEIMDORFER died in 1936. =
As far as I know Anna - then about 85 years old - did not move to Zagreb =
with Ella but supposedly returned to Vienna where the widow of her son =
Walter BRYK (1882-1930) lived. (Walter's twin brother Felix BRYK lived =
in Sweden.)=20

Anna BRYK may have lived in a home for Seniors (Altersheim) in Mauer. I =
do not have any evidence that Anna ever lived or died in Mauer.=20

Anna BRYK is not listed among the victims of the Shoah. The Jewish =
Community in Zagreb has no record of her.=20

I shall be most grateful for information about where and when Anna BRYK =
died.

Oliver Bryk, San Francisco (oliverbryk@comcast.net)=
Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Civil Registrations #hungary

tom
 

i don't know if there are any lists of emigrants after the
revolution, since most of them left illegally as refugees. at the
time, entire trainloads, often including the train crew, crossed the
border into austria, without proper travel documents, and requested
asylum.

i know a little bit about my own family, where we had to pretend that
my father had abandoned us (my mother and me), so that the government
wouldn't confiscate our property. and because all mail was being
monitored, our letters were not addressed to him, and we had to be
careful with what we said.

as an interesting footnote, we left after the revolution on legal
exit passports, which were quite rare. and if there is, probably, a
record of it, that would be very much the exception rather than the
rule.


....... tom klein, toronto

sankosy5@rogers.com wrote:

On another note.......... is there any searchable resource that
allows one to trace Hungarians since the War? I found some of my
family listed as survivors in the Nevek Klarsfeld, but I don't know
how to find what happened next. Some of the earlier birth and
marriage records have comments at the end of the row about
conversion or death. The Joint sometimes has emigration cards with a
bit of info. I've also used the Boros Lajos burial record to try to
connect to names.

I just wondered if there were available post-1945 city directories
or emigration lists since the Revolution.
Hungary SIG #Hungary IAJGS Paris 2012 last day for online registration #hungary

bounce-2451986-772961@...
 

Remember: today is the last day for on-line registration"

("Rappel : aujourd'hui est le dernier jour pour les inscriptions en ligne).


Speakers: don't forget to bring your presentation on a flashdrive."

("Conférenciers : n'oubliez d'apporter votre support de présentation sur clé
USB).


See you very soon in Paris!"
("A très bientôt à Paris) !


The committee
Hungary SIG #Hungary IAJGS PARIS 2012 - last news #hungary

bounce-2452527-772961@...
 

Thanks to all those who registered yesterday.
Given the success we have decided to extend the opening of online
registration (www.paris2012.eu) until tomorrow Thursday noon - Paris time

Merci à tous ceux, tres nombreux, qui se sont inscrits hier : devant ce
succes, nous avons decide de prolonger l'ouverture des inscriptions sur le
Site (www.paris2012.eu) jusqu'à demain jeudi - heure de Paris !

The committee
Hungary SIG #Hungary Anna BRYK (1852-?) #hungary

oliverbryk@...
 

My widowed great-grandfather Adolf BRYK married Anna JELENKIEWICZ in =
1880 in Vienna. She was born on 18 November 1852.=20

After Adolf died in Vienna in 1912, Anna lived with her daughter Ella =
LEIMDORFER's family in Durdenovac, a small town near Nasice, west of =
Zagreb.=20

Ella moved to Zagreb after her husband Aladar LEIMDORFER died in 1936. =
As far as I know Anna - then about 85 years old - did not move to Zagreb =
with Ella but supposedly returned to Vienna where the widow of her son =
Walter BRYK (1882-1930) lived. (Walter's twin brother Felix BRYK lived =
in Sweden.)=20

Anna BRYK may have lived in a home for Seniors (Altersheim) in Mauer. I =
do not have any evidence that Anna ever lived or died in Mauer.=20

Anna BRYK is not listed among the victims of the Shoah. The Jewish =
Community in Zagreb has no record of her.=20

I shall be most grateful for information about where and when Anna BRYK =
died.

Oliver Bryk, San Francisco (oliverbryk@comcast.net)=
Re: Civil Registrations #hungary

Beth Long
 

Tracking those who survived can sometimes be a real challenge. One place I check is civil marriage records >from mid-1945 through the end of 1947. In some places (like Debrecen, for example), there are a surprising number of Jewish marriages during that period. Many of them are second marriages of those whose spouses died in the Holocaust, and it can give you clues about other surnames to look for.
 
Beth Long
Budapest


________________________________
From: Michele Sankar <sankosy5@rogers.com>
To: H-SIG <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2012 2:57 PM
Subject: [h-sig] Civil Registrations

Many thanks to all the wonderful people who had responses regarding how to deal with "freezing" when
browsing Hungarian civil registration pages on the LDS site.  I've switched browsers, made adjustments to
cookies, and now I can breeze through the pages without shutting down after 9 pages.  Hopes this helps
anyone else experiencing the same problem.

On another note.......... is there any searchable resource that allows one to trace Hungarians since the War? 
I found some of my family listed as survivors in the Nevek Klarsfeld, but I don't know how to find what
happened next.  Some of the earlier birth and marriage records have comments at the end of the row about
conversion or death.  The Joint sometimes has emigration cards with a bit of info.  I've also used the Boros
Lajos burial record to try to connect to names.

I just wondered if there were available post-1945 city directories or emigration lists since the Revolution.

Thanks to everyone.

Michele Sankar
Ontario, Canada
Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Civil Registrations #hungary

Beth Long
 

Tracking those who survived can sometimes be a real challenge. One place I check is civil marriage records >from mid-1945 through the end of 1947. In some places (like Debrecen, for example), there are a surprising number of Jewish marriages during that period. Many of them are second marriages of those whose spouses died in the Holocaust, and it can give you clues about other surnames to look for.
 
Beth Long
Budapest


________________________________
From: Michele Sankar <sankosy5@rogers.com>
To: H-SIG <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2012 2:57 PM
Subject: [h-sig] Civil Registrations

Many thanks to all the wonderful people who had responses regarding how to deal with "freezing" when
browsing Hungarian civil registration pages on the LDS site.  I've switched browsers, made adjustments to
cookies, and now I can breeze through the pages without shutting down after 9 pages.  Hopes this helps
anyone else experiencing the same problem.

On another note.......... is there any searchable resource that allows one to trace Hungarians since the War? 
I found some of my family listed as survivors in the Nevek Klarsfeld, but I don't know how to find what
happened next.  Some of the earlier birth and marriage records have comments at the end of the row about
conversion or death.  The Joint sometimes has emigration cards with a bit of info.  I've also used the Boros
Lajos burial record to try to connect to names.

I just wondered if there were available post-1945 city directories or emigration lists since the Revolution.

Thanks to everyone.

Michele Sankar
Ontario, Canada
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