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Seeking Family of Ola or Laja from Lodz #lodz #poland

Alan Glixman
 

Hello group.

I'm searching for someone but I'm afraid I have very little information to
go on.

I am seeking the family and descendants of Ola (aka Laja) who was the wife
of my grandfather's brother Adolf (Adzio) GLIKSMAN.

Sorry but I don't know Ola / Laja's maiden name. According to the Lodz
Ghetto List she was born 13 June 1886.

She and Adolf lived in Lodz in the 1930s. Ola (Laja) ran a hat shop in
Lodz. Adzio was an engineer. They had no children.

As far as I know they both perished in the Lodz Ghetto.

Ola (Laja) had a nephew (>from her side of the family) who somehow contacted
my grandfather Leon during the war.

I am hoping that the nephew or his family are still alive somewhere and that
they or someone they know will see this email.

The only other information I have that might help identify Ola (Laja) is
that Adzio had 5 siblings, all of whom perished - Mania MIRTENBAUM, Henia
EJDELSZTEJN, Gustawa BROKMAN, Leon GLIKSMAN and Stanislaw GLISKMAN.

With thanks to all


Alan Glixman
Sydney, Australia

Researching:
BROKMAN in Poland; EJDELSZTEJN in Poland; GLIKSMAN in Poland
(Lodz, Pabianice & Warsaw); CHAZAN in Poland; HEYMANN (GEJMAN)
in Poland (Praszka) & Germany (Regensburg); HONIGSTOCK in Poland (Krosno);
KAFTAL in Poland (Lodz); LAPP in Poland; LICHTENSTEIN in Poland & Germany;
MIRTENBAUM in Poland & Canada; MONTAG in Poland;
ZYLBERSZTEJN in Poland;


Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland Seeking Family of Ola or Laja from Lodz #lodz #poland

Alan Glixman
 

Hello group.

I'm searching for someone but I'm afraid I have very little information to
go on.

I am seeking the family and descendants of Ola (aka Laja) who was the wife
of my grandfather's brother Adolf (Adzio) GLIKSMAN.

Sorry but I don't know Ola / Laja's maiden name. According to the Lodz
Ghetto List she was born 13 June 1886.

She and Adolf lived in Lodz in the 1930s. Ola (Laja) ran a hat shop in
Lodz. Adzio was an engineer. They had no children.

As far as I know they both perished in the Lodz Ghetto.

Ola (Laja) had a nephew (>from her side of the family) who somehow contacted
my grandfather Leon during the war.

I am hoping that the nephew or his family are still alive somewhere and that
they or someone they know will see this email.

The only other information I have that might help identify Ola (Laja) is
that Adzio had 5 siblings, all of whom perished - Mania MIRTENBAUM, Henia
EJDELSZTEJN, Gustawa BROKMAN, Leon GLIKSMAN and Stanislaw GLISKMAN.

With thanks to all


Alan Glixman
Sydney, Australia

Researching:
BROKMAN in Poland; EJDELSZTEJN in Poland; GLIKSMAN in Poland
(Lodz, Pabianice & Warsaw); CHAZAN in Poland; HEYMANN (GEJMAN)
in Poland (Praszka) & Germany (Regensburg); HONIGSTOCK in Poland (Krosno);
KAFTAL in Poland (Lodz); LAPP in Poland; LICHTENSTEIN in Poland & Germany;
MIRTENBAUM in Poland & Canada; MONTAG in Poland;
ZYLBERSZTEJN in Poland;


INTRO: Researching TIEKE et al #germany

Jimmy Stephens <callydude@...>
 

Hello GerSig,
I just joined the group. I have been doing genealogy research for 4
months. I am a novice in doing German Jewish Genealogy. I live in
California. I consider myself advanced in using a computer. My experience
in using the Internet is intermediate.
I have identified the names and birth and death dates of my ancestors.

My primary research goals now are to find out my relationship to the
family TIEKE. Names and towns that I am researching are:TIEKE, and BRANDS.
from Brandenburg, Germany, and maybe Amsterdam? One man has told me that
TIEKE may be Pommeranian? I also found 2 TIEK without E, in Poland who
were murdered in the Holocaust.

I can trace TIEKES >from Iowa to Ohio, to New York, to Germany, to Denmark,
and several in Scotland (late 1600's?). As far as BRANDS they are in
Germany, Preussen, and Switzerland. Some of the BRANDS were lited as
COHEN-BRANDS. The Mormon family history center does not carry these above
mentioned microfiche in thier local center I would have to order them
through Salt Lake and too many to order at $4.00 each.

Can any other place carry these microfiche? Do Jewish places hold these
records? Would Berlin help? Any ideas welcomed. The info I have is on the
following >from ssi death index, and familysearch.com ...

Father--Cristoph Tieke
Mother--Dorothea Eliesabeth Brands
Son--Carl Philip Tieke
Grandson--Christian Friderich Tieke

When I used the Mormons LDS sites I was directed in
the printouts to the following...

Juden und Dissindenten-Register, 1812-1874 Koniglich,
preubich, Statgericht Berlin, Jewish Records.

Die Judenburgerbucher der Stadt, Berlin 1809-1851 mit
Erganzungen fur die Jahre 1791-1809/ Jacob Jacobson.

Judisch Trauungen in Berlin 1759-1813 mit Erganzungen
fur die Jahre von 1723 bis 1759/ Jacob Jacobson. Thanks.

Jimmy Stephens City?? California mailto:callydude@yahoo.com

MODERATOR NOTE: Welcome to GerSig Mr. Stephens. Please note the
signature line above as modified by the moderator and sign future
postings this way. Good luck. Mod 1


German SIG #Germany INTRO: Researching TIEKE et al #germany

Jimmy Stephens <callydude@...>
 

Hello GerSig,
I just joined the group. I have been doing genealogy research for 4
months. I am a novice in doing German Jewish Genealogy. I live in
California. I consider myself advanced in using a computer. My experience
in using the Internet is intermediate.
I have identified the names and birth and death dates of my ancestors.

My primary research goals now are to find out my relationship to the
family TIEKE. Names and towns that I am researching are:TIEKE, and BRANDS.
from Brandenburg, Germany, and maybe Amsterdam? One man has told me that
TIEKE may be Pommeranian? I also found 2 TIEK without E, in Poland who
were murdered in the Holocaust.

I can trace TIEKES >from Iowa to Ohio, to New York, to Germany, to Denmark,
and several in Scotland (late 1600's?). As far as BRANDS they are in
Germany, Preussen, and Switzerland. Some of the BRANDS were lited as
COHEN-BRANDS. The Mormon family history center does not carry these above
mentioned microfiche in thier local center I would have to order them
through Salt Lake and too many to order at $4.00 each.

Can any other place carry these microfiche? Do Jewish places hold these
records? Would Berlin help? Any ideas welcomed. The info I have is on the
following >from ssi death index, and familysearch.com ...

Father--Cristoph Tieke
Mother--Dorothea Eliesabeth Brands
Son--Carl Philip Tieke
Grandson--Christian Friderich Tieke

When I used the Mormons LDS sites I was directed in
the printouts to the following...

Juden und Dissindenten-Register, 1812-1874 Koniglich,
preubich, Statgericht Berlin, Jewish Records.

Die Judenburgerbucher der Stadt, Berlin 1809-1851 mit
Erganzungen fur die Jahre 1791-1809/ Jacob Jacobson.

Judisch Trauungen in Berlin 1759-1813 mit Erganzungen
fur die Jahre von 1723 bis 1759/ Jacob Jacobson. Thanks.

Jimmy Stephens City?? California mailto:callydude@yahoo.com

MODERATOR NOTE: Welcome to GerSig Mr. Stephens. Please note the
signature line above as modified by the moderator and sign future
postings this way. Good luck. Mod 1


Re: Papierhaendler [defined] #germany

Johannes Heidecker <Johannes_Heidecker@...>
 

Dear Jerry Zeisler,
i would guess it is "Papierh=E4ndler" (with =E4 / ae) which means someone
who does commerce with paper. That could be (>from a historic
perspective)
* someone who buys paper >from a factory and sells it, eg. to packaging
industry, newspapers, stores, print shops,
* someone who buys used paper and sells it to paper factories

I would rather not say that this is someone who has a store where he
sells retail, because I do not think that someone would only sell paper.

Such a person would have a "Schreibwarengeschaeft" and also selling
pens, enveloppes, .. and would not necessarily be called "Haendler",
which means dealer.

I mention the used paper buyer, as poor people - and very often Jews -
used to be "Altpapierhaendler", going >from house to house, buying used
paper (old newspapers and other) and then sell it to paper factories who
use this to make new paper.

Johannes Heidecker Bondoufle (France) http://www.chez.com/johannes
ggson of Ludwig Tennenbaum, director of Neusiedler Papierfabrik
(Austria-Hungary)


German SIG #Germany Re: Papierhaendler [defined] #germany

Johannes Heidecker <Johannes_Heidecker@...>
 

Dear Jerry Zeisler,
i would guess it is "Papierh=E4ndler" (with =E4 / ae) which means someone
who does commerce with paper. That could be (>from a historic
perspective)
* someone who buys paper >from a factory and sells it, eg. to packaging
industry, newspapers, stores, print shops,
* someone who buys used paper and sells it to paper factories

I would rather not say that this is someone who has a store where he
sells retail, because I do not think that someone would only sell paper.

Such a person would have a "Schreibwarengeschaeft" and also selling
pens, enveloppes, .. and would not necessarily be called "Haendler",
which means dealer.

I mention the used paper buyer, as poor people - and very often Jews -
used to be "Altpapierhaendler", going >from house to house, buying used
paper (old newspapers and other) and then sell it to paper factories who
use this to make new paper.

Johannes Heidecker Bondoufle (France) http://www.chez.com/johannes
ggson of Ludwig Tennenbaum, director of Neusiedler Papierfabrik
(Austria-Hungary)


VM1796-Searching families of JACOBS, KUSHNICK, SILVERMAN, OSTROVSKY, FROHMAN Russia to Baltimore,MD #belarus

rlberliner@...
 

Please view the photo of the stone of Abraham JACOBS, buried next to Joseph
JACOBS, buried next to the mausoleum of the Rabbi of Aitz Chaim Synagogue in
Baltimore. The address is: http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/source/vm1796.html
and click on pix to enlarge as the stone is very dark.

Abraham I. Jacobs, buried in United Hebrew Cemetery, Washington Avenue,
Baltimore, MD, passed away 3/16/24. His first wife was Fannie JACOBS and at
the time of his death he was married to Mollie Jacobs. Mollie's son was
Aaron JACOBS.

Abraham was the father of Joseph JACOBS, Rosa KUSHNICK, Esther SILVERMAN,
Leah OSTROVSKY, and Rebeccah FROHMAN. Louis JACOBS, another son, passed
away May 13, 1919.

I am seeking descendants of the children and/or grandchildren of these
families.

Aaron JACOBS, stepson of Abraham Jacobs, son of Mollie JACOBS.

The Louis JACOBS children names are: Sadie, Celia, Jerome and Florence.

The SILVERMAN grandchildren names are: Silvan, Paul, Sadie, Morris and
Louis.

The OSTROVSKY grandchildren names are: Jennie, Julius, Yetta and Celia.

I do not have the married names of Sadie, Celia, Florence JACOBS, Sadie
SILVERMAN or Jennie, Yetta and Celia OSTROVSKY.

These descendants could be in Baltimore, MD, Richmond, Norfolk or Newport
News, VA, Washington, DC for assumed locations. However, they could be
anywhere.

I would greatly appreciate hearing >from anyone and everyone who can assist
in my finding this family. Please reply privately to rlberliner@aol.com or
rlberliner@comcast.net.

Sincerely
Rachelle Leaf Berliner
Savannah, GA
Searching: JACOBS descendants of Joseph & Rachel Golda, Abraham & Fannie,
Hyman & Sarah of Baltimore, MD, Washington, DC, Newport News, Norfolk,
Richmond, VA


Welcome Bobruiskers! #belarus

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

I second and third Dave Fox's remarks.
Over the years, I have noticed that many Mogilev families had branches
in Bobruisk and in Gomel. I generally advise people looking in one of
these places to also look in the other two as well.
In our own case, we know there were at least two Talalay branches (from
the Mogilev city area and surrounding villages) in Bobruisk.
One small group went to America (my ggf's brother and his family to
Newark NJ), and the other (a seemingly much older branch just recently
discovered) married into the Katzenelson family (among others) who moved
to St. Petersburg and Moscow, as well as more recent immigrants to
Melbourne Australia and Brooklyn, NY etc).
Genealogy is all about sharing information, particularly in those
geographical areas where there was considerable movement among a few
closely-situated population centers.
I, for one, look forward to the cooperation and involvement of the
Bobruisk Interest Group in the Belarus SIG.
Best wishes,
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
dardasht@barak-online.net


Belarus SIG #Belarus VM1796-Searching families of JACOBS, KUSHNICK, SILVERMAN, OSTROVSKY, FROHMAN Russia to Baltimore,MD #belarus

rlberliner@...
 

Please view the photo of the stone of Abraham JACOBS, buried next to Joseph
JACOBS, buried next to the mausoleum of the Rabbi of Aitz Chaim Synagogue in
Baltimore. The address is: http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/source/vm1796.html
and click on pix to enlarge as the stone is very dark.

Abraham I. Jacobs, buried in United Hebrew Cemetery, Washington Avenue,
Baltimore, MD, passed away 3/16/24. His first wife was Fannie JACOBS and at
the time of his death he was married to Mollie Jacobs. Mollie's son was
Aaron JACOBS.

Abraham was the father of Joseph JACOBS, Rosa KUSHNICK, Esther SILVERMAN,
Leah OSTROVSKY, and Rebeccah FROHMAN. Louis JACOBS, another son, passed
away May 13, 1919.

I am seeking descendants of the children and/or grandchildren of these
families.

Aaron JACOBS, stepson of Abraham Jacobs, son of Mollie JACOBS.

The Louis JACOBS children names are: Sadie, Celia, Jerome and Florence.

The SILVERMAN grandchildren names are: Silvan, Paul, Sadie, Morris and
Louis.

The OSTROVSKY grandchildren names are: Jennie, Julius, Yetta and Celia.

I do not have the married names of Sadie, Celia, Florence JACOBS, Sadie
SILVERMAN or Jennie, Yetta and Celia OSTROVSKY.

These descendants could be in Baltimore, MD, Richmond, Norfolk or Newport
News, VA, Washington, DC for assumed locations. However, they could be
anywhere.

I would greatly appreciate hearing >from anyone and everyone who can assist
in my finding this family. Please reply privately to rlberliner@aol.com or
rlberliner@comcast.net.

Sincerely
Rachelle Leaf Berliner
Savannah, GA
Searching: JACOBS descendants of Joseph & Rachel Golda, Abraham & Fannie,
Hyman & Sarah of Baltimore, MD, Washington, DC, Newport News, Norfolk,
Richmond, VA


Belarus SIG #Belarus Welcome Bobruiskers! #belarus

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

I second and third Dave Fox's remarks.
Over the years, I have noticed that many Mogilev families had branches
in Bobruisk and in Gomel. I generally advise people looking in one of
these places to also look in the other two as well.
In our own case, we know there were at least two Talalay branches (from
the Mogilev city area and surrounding villages) in Bobruisk.
One small group went to America (my ggf's brother and his family to
Newark NJ), and the other (a seemingly much older branch just recently
discovered) married into the Katzenelson family (among others) who moved
to St. Petersburg and Moscow, as well as more recent immigrants to
Melbourne Australia and Brooklyn, NY etc).
Genealogy is all about sharing information, particularly in those
geographical areas where there was considerable movement among a few
closely-situated population centers.
I, for one, look forward to the cooperation and involvement of the
Bobruisk Interest Group in the Belarus SIG.
Best wishes,
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
dardasht@barak-online.net


Rivers in Romania #romania

Ron <ronbendov@...>
 

Can anyone tell me where the river Dniester and the river Milkov run. I was
told the first is around Iasi and the latter outside Odobesti, but can't
find the names on a map.

Thank you

Ron Ben-Dov
Hertford, North Carolina
United States
ronbendov@net-change.com


Romania SIG #Romania Rivers in Romania #romania

Ron <ronbendov@...>
 

Can anyone tell me where the river Dniester and the river Milkov run. I was
told the first is around Iasi and the latter outside Odobesti, but can't
find the names on a map.

Thank you

Ron Ben-Dov
Hertford, North Carolina
United States
ronbendov@net-change.com


1858 Revision List Records for MOLETAI, Lithuania #general

Joel Ratner
 

The Vilna District Research Group [LitvakSIG] is
happy to announce the receipt of the 1858 Revision List
for the town of Moletai [Malat]. Anyone interested in
researching this town and in obtaining these records
should contact the group at Joelrat@aol.com .

Joel Ratner
Coordinator, Vilna District Research Group


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen 1858 Revision List Records for MOLETAI, Lithuania #general

Joel Ratner
 

The Vilna District Research Group [LitvakSIG] is
happy to announce the receipt of the 1858 Revision List
for the town of Moletai [Malat]. Anyone interested in
researching this town and in obtaining these records
should contact the group at Joelrat@aol.com .

Joel Ratner
Coordinator, Vilna District Research Group


Reaching Danny Efrat #general

SOL2516171@...
 

Does anyone have the current e-mail address for Danny Efrat? I am trying to
reach him to follow up with a question about a GEDCOM file he sent me a
couple of years ago, but it appears that he has changed his e-mail address.
Thanks very much.

David Solomon
Chevy Chase, Maryland
SOL2516171@aol.com

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Reaching Danny Efrat #general

SOL2516171@...
 

Does anyone have the current e-mail address for Danny Efrat? I am trying to
reach him to follow up with a question about a GEDCOM file he sent me a
couple of years ago, but it appears that he has changed his e-mail address.
Thanks very much.

David Solomon
Chevy Chase, Maryland
SOL2516171@aol.com

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately


Re: Berel #lithuania

Jerry Zeisler <jzeisler@...>
 

As an adjunct to Victor Shaines' posting, I've seen my g-uncle's name
listed as Bere/Berel/Beryl/Bernard & Barnett.

Jerry Zeisler
Leesburg, Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Victor Shaines [mailto:vaesny@yahoo.com]
Subject: [litvaksig] Re: Berel

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I have an old friend whose English name is Bernard.
We used to call him Berel. I am not sure of the
spelling. So, all I want to say is that
Berel/Beryl/etc, could also be Bernard.

MODERATOR'S NOTE: The original question, which was whether Berel and Benjamin could somehow be the same name, has been thoroughly answered in the negative. The thread is ended.


Re: Buried Treasure in Probate Court Records - and more #lithuania

Jerry Zeisler <jzeisler@...>
 

I have a somewhat similar tale to Scott Noar's regarding the benefit of
probate records, and one additional source that led me to nirvana.

In my case, I did not know whether or not my ancestors has made out a
will. I just wrote to the appropriate jurisdiction in Chicago and asked
for it. In some cases, as for my gg-grandfather, Eduard ZEISLER, his
will, if one existed, did not go through probate. On the other hand, I
hit paydirt with several of his children, as one will mentioned siblings
that I was unaware of at the time, and another mentioned that one
sibling had stayed behind in the old country, and had two children that
were killed in the Holocaust. We knew nothing of them.

That information is contained in a part of the will called the "Proof of
Heirship." During the probate process, one or more family members gives
testimony about the family members (parents, siblings, children,
cousins, etc) that they are aware of, whether dead or alive. This allows
the court to determine whether other family members exist that might
have a claim to the estate. Additionally, several of the wills left
money and family trinkets to a close family friend whom I did not know.
I contacted this person and he sent me several priceless photos that he
had kept of the family that had been taken at the turn of the century.
My family had no photos of any of them.

Another excellent source of information that I only recently came
across, provided me with what I had been searching for for my three+
years of research - the ships the family came in on and exactly when
they arrived. In my case, my family members who immegrated were
reasonably well-off financially and traveled frequently. Once they had
become Naturalized, they could request a passport. I couldn't belive the
information that was provided on the passport applications that I found
in the National Archives in Washington, DC. Birth town and date, arrival
date into the US, ship's name, departure point, how long they expected
to be out of the country on this trip, occupation, if they were bringing
family members and how many, the city the application was made in,
current address, where Naturalized and when, and most interesting, a
physical decription. I was lucky enough that my g-grandfather and his 2
brothers traveled several times to Europe, and therefore I have 6
passport applications over a period of about 21 years (>from 1890 to
1911). It was a most fantastic find and one that connected many parts of
the puzzle.

Jerry ZEISLER
Leesburg, Virginia
jzeisler@email.com

Researching: PERCZYK, ADELSON, GORDON, KRIVIRUCHKY and MEYEROWITZ
Locations: Butrimantz, Meretz (Merkine), Oran (Varena) and Nemajuni


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: Berel #lithuania

Jerry Zeisler <jzeisler@...>
 

As an adjunct to Victor Shaines' posting, I've seen my g-uncle's name
listed as Bere/Berel/Beryl/Bernard & Barnett.

Jerry Zeisler
Leesburg, Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Victor Shaines [mailto:vaesny@yahoo.com]
Subject: [litvaksig] Re: Berel

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I have an old friend whose English name is Bernard.
We used to call him Berel. I am not sure of the
spelling. So, all I want to say is that
Berel/Beryl/etc, could also be Bernard.

MODERATOR'S NOTE: The original question, which was whether Berel and Benjamin could somehow be the same name, has been thoroughly answered in the negative. The thread is ended.


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: Buried Treasure in Probate Court Records - and more #lithuania

Jerry Zeisler <jzeisler@...>
 

I have a somewhat similar tale to Scott Noar's regarding the benefit of
probate records, and one additional source that led me to nirvana.

In my case, I did not know whether or not my ancestors has made out a
will. I just wrote to the appropriate jurisdiction in Chicago and asked
for it. In some cases, as for my gg-grandfather, Eduard ZEISLER, his
will, if one existed, did not go through probate. On the other hand, I
hit paydirt with several of his children, as one will mentioned siblings
that I was unaware of at the time, and another mentioned that one
sibling had stayed behind in the old country, and had two children that
were killed in the Holocaust. We knew nothing of them.

That information is contained in a part of the will called the "Proof of
Heirship." During the probate process, one or more family members gives
testimony about the family members (parents, siblings, children,
cousins, etc) that they are aware of, whether dead or alive. This allows
the court to determine whether other family members exist that might
have a claim to the estate. Additionally, several of the wills left
money and family trinkets to a close family friend whom I did not know.
I contacted this person and he sent me several priceless photos that he
had kept of the family that had been taken at the turn of the century.
My family had no photos of any of them.

Another excellent source of information that I only recently came
across, provided me with what I had been searching for for my three+
years of research - the ships the family came in on and exactly when
they arrived. In my case, my family members who immegrated were
reasonably well-off financially and traveled frequently. Once they had
become Naturalized, they could request a passport. I couldn't belive the
information that was provided on the passport applications that I found
in the National Archives in Washington, DC. Birth town and date, arrival
date into the US, ship's name, departure point, how long they expected
to be out of the country on this trip, occupation, if they were bringing
family members and how many, the city the application was made in,
current address, where Naturalized and when, and most interesting, a
physical decription. I was lucky enough that my g-grandfather and his 2
brothers traveled several times to Europe, and therefore I have 6
passport applications over a period of about 21 years (>from 1890 to
1911). It was a most fantastic find and one that connected many parts of
the puzzle.

Jerry ZEISLER
Leesburg, Virginia
jzeisler@email.com

Researching: PERCZYK, ADELSON, GORDON, KRIVIRUCHKY and MEYEROWITZ
Locations: Butrimantz, Meretz (Merkine), Oran (Varena) and Nemajuni