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Re: Do you have Napoleon 1812 history? #poland

Tilford Bartman <bartmant@...>
 

Norman Davies books "God's Playground, A history of Poland", and "The
Heart of Europe: The Past in Poland's Present" were very helpful to me
in understanding Poland, and the Polish context in which my family
developed in the Podlasie region. They're well worth taking the time to
read. Another good book to understand Poland particularly in the 20th
century but more >from a Jewish point of view and perhaps a little less
balanced is "Bondage to the Dead. Poland and the Memory of the
Holocaust" by Michael Steinlauf. Also Antony Polansky at Brandeis
University has written a whole series of very good books. He is the
editor of the journal "Polin, Studies in Polish Jewry".
<http://www.littman.co.uk/polin/index.html> He's also a Jew who in
1999 was awarded the Knight's Cross of the Order of Merit of the
Republic of Poland.

Clearly the political, geographical, and wider cultural milieu had a
massive effect on the lives, prospects, and ultimate fate of our
ancestors. This is a big and very meaningful part of the story. Also I
think reading this material helped me a bit without being too
presumptuous to understand certain aspects of the "Polish" point of
view that I had encountered >from many Polish people.

Tilford Bartman


BialyGen: Bialystok Region #Bialystok #Poland Re: Do you have Napoleon 1812 history? #poland

Tilford Bartman <bartmant@...>
 

Norman Davies books "God's Playground, A history of Poland", and "The
Heart of Europe: The Past in Poland's Present" were very helpful to me
in understanding Poland, and the Polish context in which my family
developed in the Podlasie region. They're well worth taking the time to
read. Another good book to understand Poland particularly in the 20th
century but more >from a Jewish point of view and perhaps a little less
balanced is "Bondage to the Dead. Poland and the Memory of the
Holocaust" by Michael Steinlauf. Also Antony Polansky at Brandeis
University has written a whole series of very good books. He is the
editor of the journal "Polin, Studies in Polish Jewry".
<http://www.littman.co.uk/polin/index.html> He's also a Jew who in
1999 was awarded the Knight's Cross of the Order of Merit of the
Republic of Poland.

Clearly the political, geographical, and wider cultural milieu had a
massive effect on the lives, prospects, and ultimate fate of our
ancestors. This is a big and very meaningful part of the story. Also I
think reading this material helped me a bit without being too
presumptuous to understand certain aspects of the "Polish" point of
view that I had encountered >from many Polish people.

Tilford Bartman


Completion of 1858 Vilna City Revision List Project and tie-in to the VRI Project #lithuania

Joel Ratner
 

Sets 22 - 27 of the 1858 Vilna City Revision List have been proofed and
sent out to members of the project. This completes the 1858 Vilna RL
project!

The project began in 1998 and due to its size, required 8 years to raise
the necessary funds, perform the translations and proof the records.
This project contained 27 lists which enumerated 24,283 individuals,
albeit some of them were part of the merchants lists and additional
records entered after 1858.

This is the single largest Revision List translated by LitvakSIG
to date and provides wonderful backup as researchers looking for their
ancestors in Vilna now focus on the vital records. Researchers who
previously have not participated in this project may receive the
translations by making a $100 [or more] donation to the Vilna District
Research Group via the LitvakSIG website. Contained therein is a donor
form which can be downloaded, filled out, and sent in with your
contribution. You will receive the following:

1. Translation of the entire 1858 Vilna City Revision List

2. Translation of 1915 edition of the Vilna city directory Vsia Vilna
[All Vilna]

3. 1942 Vilna Ghetto Census

In all, you will receive over 58,800 records in the three databases which
span a time period of over 80 years.

Now that entire families have been identified in the 1858 RL, individual
vital records for each family member can be researched. As a reminder, the
vital records for Vilna only go back to 1837, so anyone found in the 1858
RL older than 21 can only be among the marriage and divorce records between
1837 and 1858. For the years after 1858, the vital records may show
marriage, death and divorces for anyone listed in the 1858 RL. Additional
residents of Vilna not in the 1858 RL will be found in the 1837 - 1857 death
records. Their dates of birth can easily extend back to the 18th Century,
providing names >from another generation via the patronymics in these death
records. The patronymics in the vital records are key to going back into the
18th Century.


Due to the magnitude of the VRI project, I will no longer be coordinating
the Vilna District Research Group. I do however, hold a great number of
Vilna records in my private collection other than those available via
LitvakSIG and the ALD. A talk I will be giving at the conference in August
will detail some of the sources of Vilna records not yet pursued by
LitvakSIG to date.

Joel Ratner


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Completion of 1858 Vilna City Revision List Project and tie-in to the VRI Project #lithuania

Joel Ratner
 

Sets 22 - 27 of the 1858 Vilna City Revision List have been proofed and
sent out to members of the project. This completes the 1858 Vilna RL
project!

The project began in 1998 and due to its size, required 8 years to raise
the necessary funds, perform the translations and proof the records.
This project contained 27 lists which enumerated 24,283 individuals,
albeit some of them were part of the merchants lists and additional
records entered after 1858.

This is the single largest Revision List translated by LitvakSIG
to date and provides wonderful backup as researchers looking for their
ancestors in Vilna now focus on the vital records. Researchers who
previously have not participated in this project may receive the
translations by making a $100 [or more] donation to the Vilna District
Research Group via the LitvakSIG website. Contained therein is a donor
form which can be downloaded, filled out, and sent in with your
contribution. You will receive the following:

1. Translation of the entire 1858 Vilna City Revision List

2. Translation of 1915 edition of the Vilna city directory Vsia Vilna
[All Vilna]

3. 1942 Vilna Ghetto Census

In all, you will receive over 58,800 records in the three databases which
span a time period of over 80 years.

Now that entire families have been identified in the 1858 RL, individual
vital records for each family member can be researched. As a reminder, the
vital records for Vilna only go back to 1837, so anyone found in the 1858
RL older than 21 can only be among the marriage and divorce records between
1837 and 1858. For the years after 1858, the vital records may show
marriage, death and divorces for anyone listed in the 1858 RL. Additional
residents of Vilna not in the 1858 RL will be found in the 1837 - 1857 death
records. Their dates of birth can easily extend back to the 18th Century,
providing names >from another generation via the patronymics in these death
records. The patronymics in the vital records are key to going back into the
18th Century.


Due to the magnitude of the VRI project, I will no longer be coordinating
the Vilna District Research Group. I do however, hold a great number of
Vilna records in my private collection other than those available via
LitvakSIG and the ALD. A talk I will be giving at the conference in August
will detail some of the sources of Vilna records not yet pursued by
LitvakSIG to date.

Joel Ratner


Re: Where did they come from? Why say near large town or gubernia? #general

Victoria Reed <researchtoldot@...>
 

My two cents is that my grandparents, according to my
mother, when asked where they were from, always
replied "Grodno Gubernia". They were both from
Bialystok.

Victoria Reed
Folsom, CA

Researching:

FISH/FISH, FLASH: Manchester, possibly Toporov, Pennsylvania
NEIMAND: Galicia, Sweden, USA REISS, KNOLL: Zolkiew, Lemberg (Lvov)
SOLOMON: Lynn, Massachusetts SHOLOMOVICH/FRIEDENSON: Bialystok
RABINOWITZ/RABINOWITCH: Grodno Gubernia, Bialystok, Petrograd, Kiev
JERUSHEWITZ/KAPLAN/JEROME: Elmira & Syracuse, NY; Bialystok, Kiev
LISSITSKY/LOSITSKY/LESHITZKY (and every other possible spelling): Bialystok


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Where did they come from? Why say near large town or gubernia? #general

Victoria Reed <researchtoldot@...>
 

My two cents is that my grandparents, according to my
mother, when asked where they were from, always
replied "Grodno Gubernia". They were both from
Bialystok.

Victoria Reed
Folsom, CA

Researching:

FISH/FISH, FLASH: Manchester, possibly Toporov, Pennsylvania
NEIMAND: Galicia, Sweden, USA REISS, KNOLL: Zolkiew, Lemberg (Lvov)
SOLOMON: Lynn, Massachusetts SHOLOMOVICH/FRIEDENSON: Bialystok
RABINOWITZ/RABINOWITCH: Grodno Gubernia, Bialystok, Petrograd, Kiev
JERUSHEWITZ/KAPLAN/JEROME: Elmira & Syracuse, NY; Bialystok, Kiev
LISSITSKY/LOSITSKY/LESHITZKY (and every other possible spelling): Bialystok


Petition for Citizenship - No Children #general

Jan Groshan <jangro@...>
 

I just received my husband's father's Petition for Citizenship which was
"subscribed and sworn to by the petitioner and witnesses in the office of
the Clerk of said Court...on the 14th day of February 1935". So, here's the
problem. The petition says "I have no children.", but my husband was born in
January 1935. Any guess why the petition would say "no children"? Is it
possible that the petition was, perhaps, completed before my husband's birth
in January but not submitted and sworn to until after? There also appears to
be a second Affidavit of Witnesses stapled over the original. There are two
witnesses named on the "full copy" of the form and a single witness named on
what appears to be an "attachment" which is "subscribed and sworn" in april
1935. One more irregularity is that the petition says he was married to my
husband's mother on August 15, 1933, but the copy of the marriage
certificate we recently obtained says they were married July 12, 1933.

Jan Groshan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Petition for Citizenship - No Children #general

Jan Groshan <jangro@...>
 

I just received my husband's father's Petition for Citizenship which was
"subscribed and sworn to by the petitioner and witnesses in the office of
the Clerk of said Court...on the 14th day of February 1935". So, here's the
problem. The petition says "I have no children.", but my husband was born in
January 1935. Any guess why the petition would say "no children"? Is it
possible that the petition was, perhaps, completed before my husband's birth
in January but not submitted and sworn to until after? There also appears to
be a second Affidavit of Witnesses stapled over the original. There are two
witnesses named on the "full copy" of the form and a single witness named on
what appears to be an "attachment" which is "subscribed and sworn" in april
1935. One more irregularity is that the petition says he was married to my
husband's mother on August 15, 1933, but the copy of the marriage
certificate we recently obtained says they were married July 12, 1933.

Jan Groshan


A sea voyage to Cape town 1849 #southafrica

Adam Yamey <adamandlopa@...>
 

I have a contemporary account of a sea voyage which a
distant relative of mine made in 1849. He wrote that
he left London on the 12th May 1849, spending two days
in Gravesend, and arrived in Cape Town (South Africa)
on the 28th August 1849.

Is there any way in which I could identify the ship
upon which my relative travelled? Am I pushing my luck
in hoping that someone has access to a record of ship
arrivals in Cape Town in 1849?

Adam Yamey, London UK<adamandlopa@yahoo.co.uk>


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica A sea voyage to Cape town 1849 #southafrica

Adam Yamey <adamandlopa@...>
 

I have a contemporary account of a sea voyage which a
distant relative of mine made in 1849. He wrote that
he left London on the 12th May 1849, spending two days
in Gravesend, and arrived in Cape Town (South Africa)
on the 28th August 1849.

Is there any way in which I could identify the ship
upon which my relative travelled? Am I pushing my luck
in hoping that someone has access to a record of ship
arrivals in Cape Town in 1849?

Adam Yamey, London UK<adamandlopa@yahoo.co.uk>


ROTKOPF #unitedkingdom

malcolm katz <malkikatz9361@...>
 

Hello
I am looking for any info on MOJSZE and MORDKA ROTKOPF
from Pabianice,Lask,Lodz,Poland.
They were in the Lodz ghetto and last heard of in
Regensburg D.P.camp in august 1947,They may have come
to London as they had a relative by the name of
Gertrude(gertie)Rotkopf married name Finer.
Any info would be very welcome.
Many Thanks
Malcolm Katz







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JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom ROTKOPF #unitedkingdom

malcolm katz <malkikatz9361@...>
 

Hello
I am looking for any info on MOJSZE and MORDKA ROTKOPF
from Pabianice,Lask,Lodz,Poland.
They were in the Lodz ghetto and last heard of in
Regensburg D.P.camp in august 1947,They may have come
to London as they had a relative by the name of
Gertrude(gertie)Rotkopf married name Finer.
Any info would be very welcome.
Many Thanks
Malcolm Katz







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Lazarus #unitedkingdom

malcolm katz <malkikatz9361@...>
 

Hello
If anyone has information on JACOB LAZARUS one of the
founder members of the Machzike Hadath Synagogue in
the east end in 1891 i would appreciate any info.
He originally came >from Pinsk.
Many thanks
Malcolm Katz


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Lazarus #unitedkingdom

malcolm katz <malkikatz9361@...>
 

Hello
If anyone has information on JACOB LAZARUS one of the
founder members of the Machzike Hadath Synagogue in
the east end in 1891 i would appreciate any info.
He originally came >from Pinsk.
Many thanks
Malcolm Katz


transient migration records #unitedkingdom

Harvey L Kaplan <harvey@...>
 

Bill Yoffee writes:

"My ancestors >from Russia, transhipped at the ports of Liverpool and Glascow
during the 1880's in one case and between 1895 and 1907 in other cases. It
occurs to me that they may have had brief stopovers and may have received
hospitality >from Jewish organiztions. Did any such organizations exist? If
so, have any of their records survived?"

In 1897, the Jewish Chronicle reported on the formation of: "Hachnassat
Orchim - The Society for Providing Strangers with Food and Lodgings." My
great-grandfather, Levi Kaplan, was elected Treasurer. Unfortunately no
records survive of this organisation. There would also have been various
temporary immigrant shelters in Glasgow, but again, no records.

Harvey L Kaplan,
Glasgow, Scotland


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom transient migration records #unitedkingdom

Harvey L Kaplan <harvey@...>
 

Bill Yoffee writes:

"My ancestors >from Russia, transhipped at the ports of Liverpool and Glascow
during the 1880's in one case and between 1895 and 1907 in other cases. It
occurs to me that they may have had brief stopovers and may have received
hospitality >from Jewish organiztions. Did any such organizations exist? If
so, have any of their records survived?"

In 1897, the Jewish Chronicle reported on the formation of: "Hachnassat
Orchim - The Society for Providing Strangers with Food and Lodgings." My
great-grandfather, Levi Kaplan, was elected Treasurer. Unfortunately no
records survive of this organisation. There would also have been various
temporary immigrant shelters in Glasgow, but again, no records.

Harvey L Kaplan,
Glasgow, Scotland


Old NYC High School in Delancey Vicinity #general

Mjn519@...
 

If a person lived at 138 Delancey St in NYC, which high school would this
person attend close to this home? I'm looking for a high school that existed
in that area around 1890. I realize I may have to contact the NYC School
District but wanted to ask you wonderful people on Jewishgen first.

Marie Lubman
Chino Hills, CA
Researching: FISCHER, AUGUST, ZACHER...Russia/NY;
GREENSTONE, GUTERMAN...Kalvarija, Lithuania/NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Old NYC High School in Delancey Vicinity #general

Mjn519@...
 

If a person lived at 138 Delancey St in NYC, which high school would this
person attend close to this home? I'm looking for a high school that existed
in that area around 1890. I realize I may have to contact the NYC School
District but wanted to ask you wonderful people on Jewishgen first.

Marie Lubman
Chino Hills, CA
Researching: FISCHER, AUGUST, ZACHER...Russia/NY;
GREENSTONE, GUTERMAN...Kalvarija, Lithuania/NY


Romanian Archives #romania

Sorin Goldenberg <soring0412@...>
 

Dear Rosanne and other Rom-Sig readers,
The difference between Transilvania archives (or by the way Bucovina -
Suceava was also part of the Austro-Hungarian empire) is that the
registration started some twenty (???) years earlier and it is more
tidy then in other parts of Romania.

I've found out that there is cooperation >from the National Archives at
Botosani, even when I've asked for documents without the knowledge of
the exact date of happening. Are they doing a perfect job ? I do not
know; more then that I am sure that by myself or a good private
researcher that gets his fee directly for me , maybe some extra effort
could be done.
Due to the fact that sometimes we seek for people that we are not 100
percent sure of their names, they do not carry family names, dates
unsure etc... sometimes it is required to assist the process. As I
live in Israel, and speak Romanian, I have no problem to phone and
check the status or clarify things.

I know of a guy in Israel who got documents >from Iasi, although
Rom-sig relayed info that the registers will not be available.

Bucharest may be a different story.
By the way - our ancestors, at least partially are also responsible
for the lack of documentation. Many of them did not bother to perform
civil marriage, as the law required and the result is no marriage
records, and the child is considered as being only the mother's .

Regards
Sorin Goldenberg
Israel


Romania SIG #Romania Romanian Archives #romania

Sorin Goldenberg <soring0412@...>
 

Dear Rosanne and other Rom-Sig readers,
The difference between Transilvania archives (or by the way Bucovina -
Suceava was also part of the Austro-Hungarian empire) is that the
registration started some twenty (???) years earlier and it is more
tidy then in other parts of Romania.

I've found out that there is cooperation >from the National Archives at
Botosani, even when I've asked for documents without the knowledge of
the exact date of happening. Are they doing a perfect job ? I do not
know; more then that I am sure that by myself or a good private
researcher that gets his fee directly for me , maybe some extra effort
could be done.
Due to the fact that sometimes we seek for people that we are not 100
percent sure of their names, they do not carry family names, dates
unsure etc... sometimes it is required to assist the process. As I
live in Israel, and speak Romanian, I have no problem to phone and
check the status or clarify things.

I know of a guy in Israel who got documents >from Iasi, although
Rom-sig relayed info that the registers will not be available.

Bucharest may be a different story.
By the way - our ancestors, at least partially are also responsible
for the lack of documentation. Many of them did not bother to perform
civil marriage, as the law required and the result is no marriage
records, and the child is considered as being only the mother's .

Regards
Sorin Goldenberg
Israel