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Rude Reply from relative #general

Shlomo Katz <SKatz@...>
 

Since you talk to his mother frequently, she would be the one to ask
about his rude behavior.
No, don't ask his mother why he was rude. Who knows whether they had a
falling out over something and how much pain you will cause her by
bringing it up?! Your family tree is not worth that! On the other
hand, do ask his mother for information about the family in general.
Shlomo Katz
Silver Spring Maryland

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Rude Reply from relative #general

Shlomo Katz <SKatz@...>
 

Since you talk to his mother frequently, she would be the one to ask
about his rude behavior.
No, don't ask his mother why he was rude. Who knows whether they had a
falling out over something and how much pain you will cause her by
bringing it up?! Your family tree is not worth that! On the other
hand, do ask his mother for information about the family in general.
Shlomo Katz
Silver Spring Maryland

Census 1911 Where to Start #general

Shlomo Katz <SKatz@...>
 

What I did was to consult a current map of Montreal and look at the
neighborhood names around the streets I was interested in, then enter
the corresponding neighborhood names in the box for sub-districts.
Good luck
Shlomo Katz
Silver Spring MD

Subject: Canadian 1911 Census-Where to Start
From: "Shmuel Fisher" <Shmuel@...>
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 08:29:02 -0700
X-Message-Number: 10

I know only that Montreal is the city that my people lived in 1911. But
where do I start. I know that they lived on Rue Bagg in the 40's. What
are the likely districts and sub-districts that I should scan?

Shmuel Fisher
Searching in the 1911 census for Rotman or Rothpan

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Census 1911 Where to Start #general

Shlomo Katz <SKatz@...>
 

What I did was to consult a current map of Montreal and look at the
neighborhood names around the streets I was interested in, then enter
the corresponding neighborhood names in the box for sub-districts.
Good luck
Shlomo Katz
Silver Spring MD

Subject: Canadian 1911 Census-Where to Start
From: "Shmuel Fisher" <Shmuel@...>
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 08:29:02 -0700
X-Message-Number: 10

I know only that Montreal is the city that my people lived in 1911. But
where do I start. I know that they lived on Rue Bagg in the 40's. What
are the likely districts and sub-districts that I should scan?

Shmuel Fisher
Searching in the 1911 census for Rotman or Rothpan

Miami Beach research for RESNICK #general

Barbara Zimmer <bravo.zulu@...>
 

Research in Florida is available on line. The clerk of court for Dade
County is at http://www.miami-dadeclerk.com/dadecoc/

This yields seven documents pertinent to Myra's request.

Barbara Zimmer
Virginia

I am trying to find descendants of Manya and Julius RESNICK . The Resnicks
owned a ladies purse company and last were known to be in Miami Beach in the
1980's. Manya was a cousin of my husband's mother and we are hoping to find
out her maiden name and where in Russian the family was from.
Myra Holzberg Shalet, Dallas, Texas

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Miami Beach research for RESNICK #general

Barbara Zimmer <bravo.zulu@...>
 

Research in Florida is available on line. The clerk of court for Dade
County is at http://www.miami-dadeclerk.com/dadecoc/

This yields seven documents pertinent to Myra's request.

Barbara Zimmer
Virginia

I am trying to find descendants of Manya and Julius RESNICK . The Resnicks
owned a ladies purse company and last were known to be in Miami Beach in the
1980's. Manya was a cousin of my husband's mother and we are hoping to find
out her maiden name and where in Russian the family was from.
Myra Holzberg Shalet, Dallas, Texas

Searching: STECKERL #austria-czech

lauren steckerl <laurensteckerl@...>
 

Hi
My name is Lauren Steckerl, Iam doing research on
the STECKERL Familly. During my research, I have
found a woman named Marguerite Steckerl, Millikin.
She was born in Vienna ,Austria on March 11,1903.
She died in Gates Mills Ohio. She was married
to a man named Sherman Mills. Any information
anybody can provide, Please contact me at
laurensteckerl@...
Thank You

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately.

Re: Publishing genealogies #general

Scheimer, Deborah <Deborah.Scheimer@...>
 

Tom wrote, "Genealogies should not be published. They should be given
to family members, only. You must honor your cousin's request. In
fact, you should get every family member's approval before you publish
it. Genealogies should not be published without consent >from every
living relative."

I understand Tom's point, but I disagree - in part. It depends on what
you mean by "published." If it means you go to a copy store and make 50
copies of your family history and mail it to your 50 living relatives,
then that's not really "publishing." It's like mailing Holiday Cards. If
a relative says, "don't include me" then just don't mail him one.

On the other hand, if by "published" you mean you contact a book agent
and put your family history in book stores around the country, then I
agree with Tom's point. It's just that I don't think that's what most of
us mean by "published." Nobody outside of family would be interested in
most of our family histories!

Most of the information in our family histories is in the public domain
anyway. It's already "published." So you're not infringing on an
individual's privacy by passing out information to relatives that's
already in the public domain.

And of course, an easy way to get around the issue is to simply list
those cousins who don't want to be included as "Living SMITH" (or
whatever his surname is). Just be sure to include his real name in your
notes so it's not lost to whomever you give your genealogical records to
when the time comes.

- Deb Scheimer, Pittsburgh, PA
Searching: GUNDERSHEIMER, RUDICK, PERVIN, BINSTOCK / BEAN

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Searching: STECKERL #austria-czech

lauren steckerl <laurensteckerl@...>
 

Hi
My name is Lauren Steckerl, Iam doing research on
the STECKERL Familly. During my research, I have
found a woman named Marguerite Steckerl, Millikin.
She was born in Vienna ,Austria on March 11,1903.
She died in Gates Mills Ohio. She was married
to a man named Sherman Mills. Any information
anybody can provide, Please contact me at
laurensteckerl@...
Thank You

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately.

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Publishing genealogies #general

Scheimer, Deborah <Deborah.Scheimer@...>
 

Tom wrote, "Genealogies should not be published. They should be given
to family members, only. You must honor your cousin's request. In
fact, you should get every family member's approval before you publish
it. Genealogies should not be published without consent >from every
living relative."

I understand Tom's point, but I disagree - in part. It depends on what
you mean by "published." If it means you go to a copy store and make 50
copies of your family history and mail it to your 50 living relatives,
then that's not really "publishing." It's like mailing Holiday Cards. If
a relative says, "don't include me" then just don't mail him one.

On the other hand, if by "published" you mean you contact a book agent
and put your family history in book stores around the country, then I
agree with Tom's point. It's just that I don't think that's what most of
us mean by "published." Nobody outside of family would be interested in
most of our family histories!

Most of the information in our family histories is in the public domain
anyway. It's already "published." So you're not infringing on an
individual's privacy by passing out information to relatives that's
already in the public domain.

And of course, an easy way to get around the issue is to simply list
those cousins who don't want to be included as "Living SMITH" (or
whatever his surname is). Just be sure to include his real name in your
notes so it's not lost to whomever you give your genealogical records to
when the time comes.

- Deb Scheimer, Pittsburgh, PA
Searching: GUNDERSHEIMER, RUDICK, PERVIN, BINSTOCK / BEAN

Fleischhauer + Narodni knihovna #austria-czech

Erika Abrams <eabs@...>
 

Fleischhauer = Fleischhacker = butcher

The Czech Narodni knihovna in Prague is usually closed in August, but opens
at the beginning of September. Foreigners need only show a passport to get a
month-long card for a quite symbolic fee. Books, depending on their
location, are available anywhere >from 3 hours to 3 days after your asking
for them. You can surely get more information (and consult the catalogue) on
Internet (www.nkp.cz).
Wishing you a pleasant journey

Erika Abrams (Paris)

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Fleischhauer + Narodni knihovna #austria-czech

Erika Abrams <eabs@...>
 

Fleischhauer = Fleischhacker = butcher

The Czech Narodni knihovna in Prague is usually closed in August, but opens
at the beginning of September. Foreigners need only show a passport to get a
month-long card for a quite symbolic fee. Books, depending on their
location, are available anywhere >from 3 hours to 3 days after your asking
for them. You can surely get more information (and consult the catalogue) on
Internet (www.nkp.cz).
Wishing you a pleasant journey

Erika Abrams (Paris)

More trades: FLEISCHHAUER, FLASCHNER #austria-czech

rodolfo miller <rmillermex@...>
 

Dear Sigger´s,

Peter Bakos message regarding his relative´s Abraham
FLASCHNER ocupation listed as Fleischhauer, which is
indeed a butcher, also known in german as Fleisscher,
Metzger, Sclachter, Knochenhauer. He would not only
sluaghter the animal and dress their flesh for food or
for market, but could also prepare saussages, smoke
meat, etc.

I find it interesting to note that FLASCHNER is also a
trade, term used in south germany for Klempner, or
Spengler or Blechner, the artisan that manufactures
items such as buckets, tubs, baking molds, etc. from
thin metal sheets.

We have a close friend named Lilly FLASCHNER whose
parents, Paul and Blanca FLASCHNER migrated to Mexico
in 1942, originally >from Vienna. Perhaps we should
compare notes.

Best wishes to all.

Rodolfo MULLER (umlaut U)
CUERNAVACA, MEXICO

Searching: Müller, Mandl, Gottlieb, Gleissner - Vienna

MODERATOR NOTE: Peter's question concerning the meaning of the word
Fleischhauer has been responded to comprehensively. Please send any further
similar responses to Peter privately.

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech More trades: FLEISCHHAUER, FLASCHNER #austria-czech

rodolfo miller <rmillermex@...>
 

Dear Sigger´s,

Peter Bakos message regarding his relative´s Abraham
FLASCHNER ocupation listed as Fleischhauer, which is
indeed a butcher, also known in german as Fleisscher,
Metzger, Sclachter, Knochenhauer. He would not only
sluaghter the animal and dress their flesh for food or
for market, but could also prepare saussages, smoke
meat, etc.

I find it interesting to note that FLASCHNER is also a
trade, term used in south germany for Klempner, or
Spengler or Blechner, the artisan that manufactures
items such as buckets, tubs, baking molds, etc. from
thin metal sheets.

We have a close friend named Lilly FLASCHNER whose
parents, Paul and Blanca FLASCHNER migrated to Mexico
in 1942, originally >from Vienna. Perhaps we should
compare notes.

Best wishes to all.

Rodolfo MULLER (umlaut U)
CUERNAVACA, MEXICO

Searching: Müller, Mandl, Gottlieb, Gleissner - Vienna

MODERATOR NOTE: Peter's question concerning the meaning of the word
Fleischhauer has been responded to comprehensively. Please send any further
similar responses to Peter privately.

Fleischhauer as an Occupation ? #austria-czech

Frank Eisinger <feising@...>
 

Very simply, "Fleischhauer" is a butcher and that designation is primarily
used by German speaking people in the old Austrian-Hungarian empire as
compared to the word "Metzger" which is used in Germany. I found the word
"Fleischhauer" in my large, two volume German Muret-Sanders dictionary
although smaller German dictionaries, which are also usually published in
Germany, may not list all the various regional differences .

There are many, many regional differences in the German speaking world -
Germany, Switzerland, Austria, and many of these words may not be found in
dictionaries. In the world of cooking alone, there are may different words
for the same foods, depending on where one is. To give you a good idea of
the may regional differences of words, go to
http://www.kirchenweb.at/kochrezepte/ and in the pull down menu "Service",
select "Wörterbuch Ö/D" ( translated - "Dictionary Austrian/German").

Frank Eisinger
Saint James, NY

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Fleischhauer as an Occupation ? #austria-czech

Frank Eisinger <feising@...>
 

Very simply, "Fleischhauer" is a butcher and that designation is primarily
used by German speaking people in the old Austrian-Hungarian empire as
compared to the word "Metzger" which is used in Germany. I found the word
"Fleischhauer" in my large, two volume German Muret-Sanders dictionary
although smaller German dictionaries, which are also usually published in
Germany, may not list all the various regional differences .

There are many, many regional differences in the German speaking world -
Germany, Switzerland, Austria, and many of these words may not be found in
dictionaries. In the world of cooking alone, there are may different words
for the same foods, depending on where one is. To give you a good idea of
the may regional differences of words, go to
http://www.kirchenweb.at/kochrezepte/ and in the pull down menu "Service",
select "Wörterbuch Ö/D" ( translated - "Dictionary Austrian/German").

Frank Eisinger
Saint James, NY

Fleischhauer #austria-czech

Rita Falbel <rfalbel@...>
 

In response to Peter Bakos, fleischhauer means butcher in German. My
great-grandfather LEOPOLD (LEIB) MASSARIK was a butcher >from Bucovice
(Butchovitz), and my brother and I recently visited the house with the able
guidance of Julius Mueller.

Rita Falbel
Researching in Moravia: SCHROETTER, SOFER, MASSARIK

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Fleischhauer #austria-czech

Rita Falbel <rfalbel@...>
 

In response to Peter Bakos, fleischhauer means butcher in German. My
great-grandfather LEOPOLD (LEIB) MASSARIK was a butcher >from Bucovice
(Butchovitz), and my brother and I recently visited the house with the able
guidance of Julius Mueller.

Rita Falbel
Researching in Moravia: SCHROETTER, SOFER, MASSARIK

Fleischhauer an occupation? #austria-czech

Zeev Raphael <zeevra@...>
 

Dear Peter,

You asked: "What is a Fleischhauer? I looked in a German Dictionary and found
no such word, but "hauer" means tusks and of course "fleisch" is flesh or meat.
I found a verb, "hauen" which means to beat, but flesh beater makes to
sense either.

Fleischhauer means "meat cutter". Like Fleischhaker, Fleischman & Fleischer,
these names were assumed by butchers.
From: :Jewish Names" by Kaganoff.

Best wishes,
Zeev Raphael, Haifa
e-mail: zeevra@...

Re: Fleischhauer an occupation? and Sumptuary laws #austria-czech

Hans Peter Grab <hpgrab@...>
 

Peter Bakos wrote:
What is a Fleischhauer?

Fleischhauer = Fleischer = Fleischermeister = Metzger = butcher.

Best Wishes
Hanus Grab