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MEYER DENN #hungary

avrofek@...
 

I'm looking for the current eMail address of Meyer Denn.
Can anybody help?

A. Ofek

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Hungary SIG #Hungary MEYER DENN #hungary

avrofek@...
 

I'm looking for the current eMail address of Meyer Denn.
Can anybody help?

A. Ofek

Moderator: PLease respond off-list.


Translation from Russian. Starkman in Faleshti. VM13528 #romania

Philip Rosinsky
 

Hi
I found these records in a List of Jews >from Faleshti in Moldova. I'd
be grateful for your help in translating the headers of the page and
the names. Thanks!

http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=13528
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Romania SIG #Romania Translation from Russian. Starkman in Faleshti. VM13528 #romania

Philip Rosinsky
 

Hi
I found these records in a List of Jews >from Faleshti in Moldova. I'd
be grateful for your help in translating the headers of the page and
the names. Thanks!

http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=13528
MODERATOR NOTE: Always sign messages with your full name and location.
As always private replies.


viewmate-please translate these pages- Ukrainian? #general

Koch Milton <miltonkoch@...>
 

I have posted 2 pages >from LDS films >from Jagielnica that introduce a
section of documents. I believe this is Ukrainian.
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate VM13428 and VM13427
Thanks
Milton Koch

Direct url:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=13427
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=13428


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen viewmate-please translate these pages- Ukrainian? #general

Koch Milton <miltonkoch@...>
 

I have posted 2 pages >from LDS films >from Jagielnica that introduce a
section of documents. I believe this is Ukrainian.
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate VM13428 and VM13427
Thanks
Milton Koch

Direct url:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=13427
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=13428


Polish translation needed for 1829 death record #general

Eric Cooper
 

I would be very grateful for a translation of VM13526, the 1829 record of
the death of Nuchym SILBERZWEIG (ZYLBERCWEJG) in Lublin. He was my
four-times great grandfather.

The image is here:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=13526

Thank you.

Eric Cooper e c c @ c m u . e d u

Direct url:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=13526


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Polish translation needed for 1829 death record #general

Eric Cooper
 

I would be very grateful for a translation of VM13526, the 1829 record of
the death of Nuchym SILBERZWEIG (ZYLBERCWEJG) in Lublin. He was my
four-times great grandfather.

The image is here:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=13526

Thank you.

Eric Cooper e c c @ c m u . e d u

Direct url:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=13526


Turkish Ashkenazi Jewry? #ukraine

researchtoldot@...
 

I haven't posted in ages - but I have an unusual story my brother just shared with me and I'd appreciate any input >from Genners.

My brother just returned >from a trip to Turkey. He said that people kept thinking he was Turkish. He walked into a store in Istanbul and was conversing in Chinese with his Chinese girlfriend and noticed that he was getting some funny looks.

The proprietor of the store came right up to him, took a good look at his face and said, "You're Jewish, right? Well - your family was originally >from this region."

My brother was shocked, and the fellow continued, "Do you have ancestors or family relatives who looked Asian?" Well, this flabberghasted my brother, because our cousin, the former DA of San Bernadino, was often mistaken for Chinese or Mexican, and I own a photograph of perhaps a great-great grandfather (we've never been sure) taken sometime in the middle of the nineteenth century, whose eyes have a decidely Asian appearance.

In addition, I was in New York this weekend and got to see my first cousin's son, who is now thirty. I was struck by his family resemblence to my brother and one of my sons, and recounted my brother's Turkey story. He ssaid to me that he had forgotten this incident, but that when he was young and moved to Texas, some of the kids didn't want to play ball with him because they thought he was Korean and didn't speak English.

So - what do you think? We're Ashkenazi, >from Zolkiew back to about 1800 or so (I have the Zolkiew birth/marriage/death spreadsheet) and it turned out the store owner who spoke to my brother was a Sephardic Jew whose family had lived in Istanbul for many generations (and he is apparently related to one of the Seattle clans).

I've tried googling the history of the Jewish community in Turkey, and have come up with some information, but this sure makes me think about Arthur Koestler's theory ...

Thanks, all!

Victoria Fisch (formerly surnamed Reed - I've gone back to my maiden name)
Folsom, CA


Researching:

FISH/FISCH, FLASH, NIEMAND/NEIMAND, REIS/S, KNOLL, KNAUER: Galicia
RABINOWITZ, JERUSHEWITZ/KAPLAN, SHOLOMOVICH, COHEN: Bialystok
RABINOWITZ: Kiev, St. Petersburg
SEDLETSKY, LISSITSY/LESITZKY: Selwa
ZEDLER/SIDLER/SIEDLER, COHEN: Ostrow M., Zambrow, Pennsylvania


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Turkish Ashkenazi Jewry? #ukraine

researchtoldot@...
 

I haven't posted in ages - but I have an unusual story my brother just shared with me and I'd appreciate any input >from Genners.

My brother just returned >from a trip to Turkey. He said that people kept thinking he was Turkish. He walked into a store in Istanbul and was conversing in Chinese with his Chinese girlfriend and noticed that he was getting some funny looks.

The proprietor of the store came right up to him, took a good look at his face and said, "You're Jewish, right? Well - your family was originally >from this region."

My brother was shocked, and the fellow continued, "Do you have ancestors or family relatives who looked Asian?" Well, this flabberghasted my brother, because our cousin, the former DA of San Bernadino, was often mistaken for Chinese or Mexican, and I own a photograph of perhaps a great-great grandfather (we've never been sure) taken sometime in the middle of the nineteenth century, whose eyes have a decidely Asian appearance.

In addition, I was in New York this weekend and got to see my first cousin's son, who is now thirty. I was struck by his family resemblence to my brother and one of my sons, and recounted my brother's Turkey story. He ssaid to me that he had forgotten this incident, but that when he was young and moved to Texas, some of the kids didn't want to play ball with him because they thought he was Korean and didn't speak English.

So - what do you think? We're Ashkenazi, >from Zolkiew back to about 1800 or so (I have the Zolkiew birth/marriage/death spreadsheet) and it turned out the store owner who spoke to my brother was a Sephardic Jew whose family had lived in Istanbul for many generations (and he is apparently related to one of the Seattle clans).

I've tried googling the history of the Jewish community in Turkey, and have come up with some information, but this sure makes me think about Arthur Koestler's theory ...

Thanks, all!

Victoria Fisch (formerly surnamed Reed - I've gone back to my maiden name)
Folsom, CA


Researching:

FISH/FISCH, FLASH, NIEMAND/NEIMAND, REIS/S, KNOLL, KNAUER: Galicia
RABINOWITZ, JERUSHEWITZ/KAPLAN, SHOLOMOVICH, COHEN: Bialystok
RABINOWITZ: Kiev, St. Petersburg
SEDLETSKY, LISSITSY/LESITZKY: Selwa
ZEDLER/SIDLER/SIEDLER, COHEN: Ostrow M., Zambrow, Pennsylvania


Re: Crimean Jewish History #ukraine

Hatte Blejer
 

A fascinating sidelight that came to my attention is that the Russian
government moved Jews out of Courland and the Lithuania - Latvia
border to bring them to the Southern Ukraine to be agriculturalists.
That was I think beginning in1808 and into the 1850s. There are
records that we believe represent my husband's ancestors >from 1843 in
Kherson. Then in the 1890s, representatives of Baron Hirsch and the
JCA came and signed up many of these same families to emigrate to
agricultural settlements in two areas in Argentina -- Moises Villa
and Basabilvaso. Two branches of my husband's family left for
Argentina, one to Moises Villa and one to Basabilvaso. There is also
a great Shtetlinks site about the migration to Basabilvaso. Our
family did not have any idea about the former migration into the
Southern Ukraine before reading this site. Two major migrations to be
agriculturalists in a span of 50 years. My brother-in-law told me he
always wondered where his father's Lithuanian Yiddish accent came
from.

Hatte Rubenstein Blejer
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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Crimean Jewish History #ukraine

Hatte Blejer
 

A fascinating sidelight that came to my attention is that the Russian
government moved Jews out of Courland and the Lithuania - Latvia
border to bring them to the Southern Ukraine to be agriculturalists.
That was I think beginning in1808 and into the 1850s. There are
records that we believe represent my husband's ancestors >from 1843 in
Kherson. Then in the 1890s, representatives of Baron Hirsch and the
JCA came and signed up many of these same families to emigrate to
agricultural settlements in two areas in Argentina -- Moises Villa
and Basabilvaso. Two branches of my husband's family left for
Argentina, one to Moises Villa and one to Basabilvaso. There is also
a great Shtetlinks site about the migration to Basabilvaso. Our
family did not have any idea about the former migration into the
Southern Ukraine before reading this site. Two major migrations to be
agriculturalists in a span of 50 years. My brother-in-law told me he
always wondered where his father's Lithuanian Yiddish accent came
from.

Hatte Rubenstein Blejer
(signed by Moderator)

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please sign all posts with full name and location.


Sefer Bris Avrum #galicia

reuvenbleich@...
 

Shalom,

Rav Yosef Moshe, family name unknown, was rav in Zabarov and
Zallazitz. He was the author of a commentary on the Torah, "Bris
Avrum," also "Beer Mayim" on the Hagada.

His grandchildren, Yisochar Berush son of Rav Zev Wolf of Skalat,
and Yisroel Arye Yehuda, son of Rav Leibush SHAPIRA of Zalazitz,
published "Bris Avrum" in Brody in 1875. It was reprinted in
Jerusalem in 1931.

Another grandson, Yosef Dov, son of Rav Yaakov Maier BLEICH-SEGAL,
died in Vienna in 1893.

My greatgrandfather, Chaim BLEICH, lived in Skalat after arriving
from Russia.
He died in 1905 in Tauste. Family members lived in Khrostkov,
Tarnapol, and Vienna.

My grandfather, Sholom Shachne, Sam, moved to the USA in 1893.
He died here in 1950.

I would appreciate any leads connecting my family and "Bris Avrum."

Truly yours.

Reuven Bleich


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Sefer Bris Avrum #galicia

reuvenbleich@...
 

Shalom,

Rav Yosef Moshe, family name unknown, was rav in Zabarov and
Zallazitz. He was the author of a commentary on the Torah, "Bris
Avrum," also "Beer Mayim" on the Hagada.

His grandchildren, Yisochar Berush son of Rav Zev Wolf of Skalat,
and Yisroel Arye Yehuda, son of Rav Leibush SHAPIRA of Zalazitz,
published "Bris Avrum" in Brody in 1875. It was reprinted in
Jerusalem in 1931.

Another grandson, Yosef Dov, son of Rav Yaakov Maier BLEICH-SEGAL,
died in Vienna in 1893.

My greatgrandfather, Chaim BLEICH, lived in Skalat after arriving
from Russia.
He died in 1905 in Tauste. Family members lived in Khrostkov,
Tarnapol, and Vienna.

My grandfather, Sholom Shachne, Sam, moved to the USA in 1893.
He died here in 1950.

I would appreciate any leads connecting my family and "Bris Avrum."

Truly yours.

Reuven Bleich


Kyseliv, Ukraine -- and 1900 map of Bukowina/Galicia #galicia

Renee Steinig
 

Responding to Aida Freudenthal's query about Kisslew / Kizliv /
Kozlov, Phyllis Kramer suggested several possibilities. I think
the first -- currently Kyseliv, Ukraine -- is a strong contender.
Ordinarily, because that town was in Bukowina rather than Galicia,
I'd respond privately, but given how close it was to the Galician
border and because I like the map I found, here goes....

A place search in the Family History Library catalogue
<http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp>
shows these alternate names:

Kisseleu, Bukowina, Austria
Cernauti, Chisalau, Romania

According to the JewishGen ShtetlSeeker
<http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/LocTown.asp>
Kyseliv is 23.3 miles NNW of Chernivtsi (Czernowitz), which puts
it very close to the interwar Polish-Romanian border and the
earlier border of Galicia and Bukowina.

Sadly, the Yad Vashem database lists dozens of Shoah victims who
were born or lived in Kiselev, Cernauti District, Romania --
probably the same town.

An entry on the University of Alberta website
<http://tapor.ualberta.ca/heritagevillage/district/villages/kysyliv.php>
says that the town's Jewish population in 1900 was 113 (of 2208
total). See also the detailed 1900 map of Bukowina and Galicia at
<http://tapor.ualberta.ca/heritagevillage/placenames/bukgal.php#top>

Aida, several JewishGenners are interested in Kyseliv. See the
JewishGen FamilyFinder
<http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/jgffweb.asp>. You might want to ask
them what they know about the place.

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills, New York, USA
genmaven@...


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Kyseliv, Ukraine -- and 1900 map of Bukowina/Galicia #galicia

Renee Steinig
 

Responding to Aida Freudenthal's query about Kisslew / Kizliv /
Kozlov, Phyllis Kramer suggested several possibilities. I think
the first -- currently Kyseliv, Ukraine -- is a strong contender.
Ordinarily, because that town was in Bukowina rather than Galicia,
I'd respond privately, but given how close it was to the Galician
border and because I like the map I found, here goes....

A place search in the Family History Library catalogue
<http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp>
shows these alternate names:

Kisseleu, Bukowina, Austria
Cernauti, Chisalau, Romania

According to the JewishGen ShtetlSeeker
<http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/LocTown.asp>
Kyseliv is 23.3 miles NNW of Chernivtsi (Czernowitz), which puts
it very close to the interwar Polish-Romanian border and the
earlier border of Galicia and Bukowina.

Sadly, the Yad Vashem database lists dozens of Shoah victims who
were born or lived in Kiselev, Cernauti District, Romania --
probably the same town.

An entry on the University of Alberta website
<http://tapor.ualberta.ca/heritagevillage/district/villages/kysyliv.php>
says that the town's Jewish population in 1900 was 113 (of 2208
total). See also the detailed 1900 map of Bukowina and Galicia at
<http://tapor.ualberta.ca/heritagevillage/placenames/bukgal.php#top>

Aida, several JewishGenners are interested in Kyseliv. See the
JewishGen FamilyFinder
<http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/jgffweb.asp>. You might want to ask
them what they know about the place.

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills, New York, USA
genmaven@...


Re: Kozlov #galicia

LJTRS@...
 

Hi,
Koslov is near Tarnopol. I don't have any idea why your
grandmother would have said she was Romanian because the people
from that area all considered themselves Austrian and then it
changed to Polish...now it is part of the Ukraine. Perhaps your
great grandparents came >from Romania before moving to Koslov?
Regards.
Rishy Savin
Miami, FL
Researching FIXEL, MINTZ, SCHLEKER, and PIKET >from Mikulince, Kozlov,
Plotycz, Tarnopol


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia re:Kozlov #galicia

LJTRS@...
 

Hi,
Koslov is near Tarnopol. I don't have any idea why your
grandmother would have said she was Romanian because the people
from that area all considered themselves Austrian and then it
changed to Polish...now it is part of the Ukraine. Perhaps your
great grandparents came >from Romania before moving to Koslov?
Regards.
Rishy Savin
Miami, FL
Researching FIXEL, MINTZ, SCHLEKER, and PIKET >from Mikulince, Kozlov,
Plotycz, Tarnopol


Re: finding your shteetl (Kislav) #galicia

phylliskramer1@...
 

Aida...Eastern European towns don't disappear, but they often
changed names when new governments took over, and at the very
least, the spellings are changed; moreover, our ancestors spelled
their town names in their own special way. Your grandmother
called herself Roumanian, but there is a large chance that the
town is not in Roumania today.

If you go to JewishGen's ShtetlSeeker at
http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/ then click on "search by
name" and put in Kisliv, you will see many towns with variations
on that name (in their current location). Let me suggest you get
a map of roumania in your grandmother's time, then look at the
maps (just click on M in the ShtetlSeeker results to use the zoom
features of Mapquest) and figure out which of these might have
been in Roumania... or, if your family mentioned a major town or
city nearby, that is a good clue too.

Of these listings, >from what you wrote, i would think these 3 are
possible.

(1)Kiselov, Chisu, Khiseleu, Kisalau, Kyseliv populated place
long/latitude 4835/2539 Ukraine
(2)Kishlav populated place 4520/3235 Ukraine
(3)Kishlav, Kurskoye populated place 4502/3456 Ukraine

I would also suggest you post your question on the ROMSIG
discussion list, as these folks may be better able to pinpoint
the area.

One way to find information, after you've located the town is to
investigate the larger towns nearby.

Good luck with your quest

Phyllis

phylliskramer1@...
VP, Education, JewishGen, Inc.

researching (mostly Galicia):
STECHER, TRACHMAN,>from Zmigrod,Dukla, Krosno
KRAMER, BEIM, WISNER >from Jasienica
SCHEINER, KANDEL, SCHIMMEL >from Strzyzow, Dubiecko
LINDNER, EICHEL >from Rohatyn (also Iasi, Romania)


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: finding your shteetl (Kislav) #galicia

phylliskramer1@...
 

Aida...Eastern European towns don't disappear, but they often
changed names when new governments took over, and at the very
least, the spellings are changed; moreover, our ancestors spelled
their town names in their own special way. Your grandmother
called herself Roumanian, but there is a large chance that the
town is not in Roumania today.

If you go to JewishGen's ShtetlSeeker at
http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/ then click on "search by
name" and put in Kisliv, you will see many towns with variations
on that name (in their current location). Let me suggest you get
a map of roumania in your grandmother's time, then look at the
maps (just click on M in the ShtetlSeeker results to use the zoom
features of Mapquest) and figure out which of these might have
been in Roumania... or, if your family mentioned a major town or
city nearby, that is a good clue too.

Of these listings, >from what you wrote, i would think these 3 are
possible.

(1)Kiselov, Chisu, Khiseleu, Kisalau, Kyseliv populated place
long/latitude 4835/2539 Ukraine
(2)Kishlav populated place 4520/3235 Ukraine
(3)Kishlav, Kurskoye populated place 4502/3456 Ukraine

I would also suggest you post your question on the ROMSIG
discussion list, as these folks may be better able to pinpoint
the area.

One way to find information, after you've located the town is to
investigate the larger towns nearby.

Good luck with your quest

Phyllis

phylliskramer1@...
VP, Education, JewishGen, Inc.

researching (mostly Galicia):
STECHER, TRACHMAN,>from Zmigrod,Dukla, Krosno
KRAMER, BEIM, WISNER >from Jasienica
SCHEINER, KANDEL, SCHIMMEL >from Strzyzow, Dubiecko
LINDNER, EICHEL >from Rohatyn (also Iasi, Romania)