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Baal Shem of Chelm #rabbinic

RCK <rachack@...>
 

Somebody sent me the following email:
My family was >from Chelm and my grandmother said she was a descendant
of the Baal Shem through her mother. It was unclear to us whether she
was talking about the Baal Shem Tov, but it now seems more likely that
her ancestor was actually Rav Yehuda Baal Shem of Chelm. She brought
an ilan yichusin with her and gave it to someone's "safekeeping".
Unfortunately, over the years it was lost. Do you know where I might
be able to find a family tree of Rav Eliyahu Baal Shem of Chelm?

Does anybody have any ideas for her?
Kol Tuv,
Reuven Chaim Klein
Beitar Illit, Israel


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Baal Shem of Chelm #rabbinic

RCK <rachack@...>
 

Somebody sent me the following email:
My family was >from Chelm and my grandmother said she was a descendant
of the Baal Shem through her mother. It was unclear to us whether she
was talking about the Baal Shem Tov, but it now seems more likely that
her ancestor was actually Rav Yehuda Baal Shem of Chelm. She brought
an ilan yichusin with her and gave it to someone's "safekeeping".
Unfortunately, over the years it was lost. Do you know where I might
be able to find a family tree of Rav Eliyahu Baal Shem of Chelm?

Does anybody have any ideas for her?
Kol Tuv,
Reuven Chaim Klein
Beitar Illit, Israel


Help finding graves in Budapest #hungary

Joseph Lonstein
 

My gggf Jozsef KLEIN (son of Armin/Herman KLEIN and Regina/Roza GRUNWALD) died in Budapest on February 25, 1903 at the age of 69 years old. Over the past few weeks I've tried to use the Oroklet website to find his and other family graves, particularly that of his wife Maria/Marie/Mari KLEIN nee EISLER. She died between 1903 and 1929, although after much searching of various possible spellings I cannot find her death in the MACSE database. I have two questions that I hope someone can help me with:

First, after entering the search parameters on Oroklet.hu and getting the beginning of the search results, none of the keys or links move me off page 1 of the search results. I've tried different web browsers and every time I click on a number/link to move forward in the search results, the same page 1 of the results just reloads. Furthermore, even if I don't search a name but click the letter "K" to look through the entire database of surnames starting with that letter, the list of results instead starts with the letter "A" and I cannot move off that page. Any suggestions for using the Oroklet site? I used the site many times a few years ago and never had problems.

Second, does anyone know for sure if the MACSE death record database is complete for the years 1903-1929? Since I cannot find my gggm Maria KLEIN nee EISLER indexed there, should I assume she didn't die in Budapest, even through she is very likely buried there? I'm assuming those years are included in the MACSE database because I found other deaths there that occurred decades past the period I'm interested in.

Thanks for any help finding the burial sites of this couple.

Joe Lonstein
East Lansing, Michigan, USA


Hungary SIG #Hungary Help finding graves in Budapest #hungary

Joseph Lonstein
 

My gggf Jozsef KLEIN (son of Armin/Herman KLEIN and Regina/Roza GRUNWALD) died in Budapest on February 25, 1903 at the age of 69 years old. Over the past few weeks I've tried to use the Oroklet website to find his and other family graves, particularly that of his wife Maria/Marie/Mari KLEIN nee EISLER. She died between 1903 and 1929, although after much searching of various possible spellings I cannot find her death in the MACSE database. I have two questions that I hope someone can help me with:

First, after entering the search parameters on Oroklet.hu and getting the beginning of the search results, none of the keys or links move me off page 1 of the search results. I've tried different web browsers and every time I click on a number/link to move forward in the search results, the same page 1 of the results just reloads. Furthermore, even if I don't search a name but click the letter "K" to look through the entire database of surnames starting with that letter, the list of results instead starts with the letter "A" and I cannot move off that page. Any suggestions for using the Oroklet site? I used the site many times a few years ago and never had problems.

Second, does anyone know for sure if the MACSE death record database is complete for the years 1903-1929? Since I cannot find my gggm Maria KLEIN nee EISLER indexed there, should I assume she didn't die in Budapest, even through she is very likely buried there? I'm assuming those years are included in the MACSE database because I found other deaths there that occurred decades past the period I'm interested in.

Thanks for any help finding the burial sites of this couple.

Joe Lonstein
East Lansing, Michigan, USA


Re: Name change -> to RADNAI #hungary

HungarianRoots
 

Dear Iris,

There were probably many of threads about name changes but let me answer
this.

People could change to anything. Some picked a Hungarian equivalent of
their name (Stern to Csillag, or Schwartz to Fekete) while some picked a
name that started with the same initials.
This is the case here. Reiner to Radnai, Roth to Radnai, and I also know
a family who changed >from Rubinstein to Radnai...

And we did not mention those who just picked a name they liked (no
matching initials)

Regards,

Karesz Vandor
genealogist





2017-08-29 07:45 időpontban Iris Israeli iris.edit1@gmail.com ezt írta:

During my search on JewishGen, I found out that the last name "Radnai"
was a chosen name for many Jews, .
My grandmother's last name was Radnai, and her father died when she
was 8 years old, so she never knew much about his family.
I found scanning of his marriage record and also the recording of
their firstborn daughter, and on both it's mentioned that their last
name was changed >from "REINER" to "RADNAI".

I found on another database that names like "ROTH", "ROSENFIELD" also
were changed to "RADNAI".

Can anyone explain this?

Thank you,
Iris Israeli


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Name change -> to RADNAI #hungary

HungarianRoots
 

Dear Iris,

There were probably many of threads about name changes but let me answer
this.

People could change to anything. Some picked a Hungarian equivalent of
their name (Stern to Csillag, or Schwartz to Fekete) while some picked a
name that started with the same initials.
This is the case here. Reiner to Radnai, Roth to Radnai, and I also know
a family who changed >from Rubinstein to Radnai...

And we did not mention those who just picked a name they liked (no
matching initials)

Regards,

Karesz Vandor
genealogist





2017-08-29 07:45 időpontban Iris Israeli iris.edit1@gmail.com ezt írta:

During my search on JewishGen, I found out that the last name "Radnai"
was a chosen name for many Jews, .
My grandmother's last name was Radnai, and her father died when she
was 8 years old, so she never knew much about his family.
I found scanning of his marriage record and also the recording of
their firstborn daughter, and on both it's mentioned that their last
name was changed >from "REINER" to "RADNAI".

I found on another database that names like "ROTH", "ROSENFIELD" also
were changed to "RADNAI".

Can anyone explain this?

Thank you,
Iris Israeli


Zywiec, Poland Jewish Vital Records have been identified and located #galicia

Alexander Sharon
 

Hi,

While reviewing Zywiec and vicinity known as Zywiec Administrative
District (AD) data, to my great surprise I realized that Jews were not
listed as residents of Zywiec at all in the 1900 Austro-Hungarian census,
and only 2 (two !) Jewish people were registered in the first independent
Poland census of 1921.

On top of it, only two localities within the Zywiec AD -- Rajcza and Sucha
(Beskidzka) -- were recognized as Jewish towns, and listed in the JGFF
towns database. But the Where Once We Walked gazetteer and
JewishGen info on Zywiec claims 624 Jewish residents.

In 1626 Polish Queen Constance banned Jews >from settling in her town
Zywiec. This process was known as "Privilegium de non tolerandis
Judaeis" (Privilege of not accepting Jews). This "Privilege," used >from
the 16th till the end of 18th centuries in some European royal towns,
mostly in the Poland - Lithuania Commonwealth and Austria lands,
forbid Jews to reside in such towns or own there any real estates. It also
didn't allow Jews entry to such towns with exceptions of dedicated
dates, usually related to a market day or a fair.

For this reason the Austro-Hungarian 1900 census lists **zero** Jewish
residents in Zywiec and the independent Poland first interwar census of
1921 lists in Zywiec only 2! (two) Jewish residents.

Following attempts by Christian townspeople to expel Jews >from trade
and services, was the establishment of Jewish townships known in Latin
as Oppidum Judaeorum. Such were Jewish townships as Kazimierz near
Krakow, Przytyk near Radom, Rozprza near Piotrkow and similar places
near Sambor, Drohobycz, Sniatyn, Jaworow, Rzeszow and Jaroslaw.

And such near Zywiec was the township of the not poetic name Zablocie.
Zablocie translates literally >from Polish as "the other side of the swamp."
There were several places in Poland and in Ukraine and Belarus by such
names. Thus it was the Jewish township Zablocie near Zywiec that had
624 Jewish residents in 1921, not Zywiec town proper.

Independent Jewish community Zywiec - Zablocie was established in
1864. Milowka also became as independent kehila in 1891.

Some listed localities were incorporated as suburbs of Zywiec, but this
is only took place in 1950, since lack of data in archives under Zywiec.

Below is Jewish demographic data for Zywiec Administrative District.

Census for Year 1900 , three Judicial Districts (JD) also known as
Gerichtsbezirk.

I Judicial District (JD) Milowka total 569 Jewish residents including:
Milowka 174
Rajcza 163
Ujsoly 29

II JD Saybusch total 838 Jewish residents, including:
Zablocie 390
Sporysz 99
Jelesnia 106
Isep 75

III JD Slemien, total 371 Jewish residents, including folwark (manor):
Sucha (Beskidzka) 184
Slemien 24
Manor 27

Total Zywiec (Saybusch) Jewish residents in acc. with Galicia 1900
census -- 1,778

----------------------------------------------------------------------

First Polish National Census Year 1921

Administrative District (AD) Zywiec
Sucha Beskidzka replaced Slemien but Milowka and Sucha Beskidzka
remain major Jewish centres:

I JD Milowka 474 Jews
II JD Sucha Beskidzka 369 Jews
III JD Zywiec 1,061 Jews including 2 Jewish souls registered in town
Zywiec

Total Jewish population in acc. with 1921 census -- 1, 904

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Since only the kehilat Zablocie was responsible for all up keeping Jewish
vital records of all Zywiec district, probably all records of all other
Jewish communities listed in my email are stored under File # 1297/0
Israelite Community Zablocie in The National Archives of Krakow.

Address:

Archiwum Narodowe w Krakowie
30-960 Krakow, ul. Sienna 16
tel: (12) 422-40-94
fax: (12) 421-35-44
email: sekretariat@archiwum.krakow.pl
http://ank.gov.pl/

zesp:
1297/0 Akta stanu cywilnego Gminy Wyznaniowej Izraelickiej w
Zablociu

The following records are available without restrictions:

Marriages: 1877-1892, 1894-1904, 1907-1909, 1912
Births: 1900-1902, 1907-1916
Death: 1877-1890, 1897, 1899-1905, 1907-1914

Since only Rajcza and Sucha Beskidzka are presently recognized and
listed in the JewishGen Gazeteer, please let me know, what of your
locality we should add to JGFF towns data.

Hope this help,

Alexander Sharon
JGFF editor


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Zywiec, Poland Jewish Vital Records have been identified and located #galicia

Alexander Sharon
 

Hi,

While reviewing Zywiec and vicinity known as Zywiec Administrative
District (AD) data, to my great surprise I realized that Jews were not
listed as residents of Zywiec at all in the 1900 Austro-Hungarian census,
and only 2 (two !) Jewish people were registered in the first independent
Poland census of 1921.

On top of it, only two localities within the Zywiec AD -- Rajcza and Sucha
(Beskidzka) -- were recognized as Jewish towns, and listed in the JGFF
towns database. But the Where Once We Walked gazetteer and
JewishGen info on Zywiec claims 624 Jewish residents.

In 1626 Polish Queen Constance banned Jews >from settling in her town
Zywiec. This process was known as "Privilegium de non tolerandis
Judaeis" (Privilege of not accepting Jews). This "Privilege," used >from
the 16th till the end of 18th centuries in some European royal towns,
mostly in the Poland - Lithuania Commonwealth and Austria lands,
forbid Jews to reside in such towns or own there any real estates. It also
didn't allow Jews entry to such towns with exceptions of dedicated
dates, usually related to a market day or a fair.

For this reason the Austro-Hungarian 1900 census lists **zero** Jewish
residents in Zywiec and the independent Poland first interwar census of
1921 lists in Zywiec only 2! (two) Jewish residents.

Following attempts by Christian townspeople to expel Jews >from trade
and services, was the establishment of Jewish townships known in Latin
as Oppidum Judaeorum. Such were Jewish townships as Kazimierz near
Krakow, Przytyk near Radom, Rozprza near Piotrkow and similar places
near Sambor, Drohobycz, Sniatyn, Jaworow, Rzeszow and Jaroslaw.

And such near Zywiec was the township of the not poetic name Zablocie.
Zablocie translates literally >from Polish as "the other side of the swamp."
There were several places in Poland and in Ukraine and Belarus by such
names. Thus it was the Jewish township Zablocie near Zywiec that had
624 Jewish residents in 1921, not Zywiec town proper.

Independent Jewish community Zywiec - Zablocie was established in
1864. Milowka also became as independent kehila in 1891.

Some listed localities were incorporated as suburbs of Zywiec, but this
is only took place in 1950, since lack of data in archives under Zywiec.

Below is Jewish demographic data for Zywiec Administrative District.

Census for Year 1900 , three Judicial Districts (JD) also known as
Gerichtsbezirk.

I Judicial District (JD) Milowka total 569 Jewish residents including:
Milowka 174
Rajcza 163
Ujsoly 29

II JD Saybusch total 838 Jewish residents, including:
Zablocie 390
Sporysz 99
Jelesnia 106
Isep 75

III JD Slemien, total 371 Jewish residents, including folwark (manor):
Sucha (Beskidzka) 184
Slemien 24
Manor 27

Total Zywiec (Saybusch) Jewish residents in acc. with Galicia 1900
census -- 1,778

----------------------------------------------------------------------

First Polish National Census Year 1921

Administrative District (AD) Zywiec
Sucha Beskidzka replaced Slemien but Milowka and Sucha Beskidzka
remain major Jewish centres:

I JD Milowka 474 Jews
II JD Sucha Beskidzka 369 Jews
III JD Zywiec 1,061 Jews including 2 Jewish souls registered in town
Zywiec

Total Jewish population in acc. with 1921 census -- 1, 904

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Since only the kehilat Zablocie was responsible for all up keeping Jewish
vital records of all Zywiec district, probably all records of all other
Jewish communities listed in my email are stored under File # 1297/0
Israelite Community Zablocie in The National Archives of Krakow.

Address:

Archiwum Narodowe w Krakowie
30-960 Krakow, ul. Sienna 16
tel: (12) 422-40-94
fax: (12) 421-35-44
email: sekretariat@archiwum.krakow.pl
http://ank.gov.pl/

zesp:
1297/0 Akta stanu cywilnego Gminy Wyznaniowej Izraelickiej w
Zablociu

The following records are available without restrictions:

Marriages: 1877-1892, 1894-1904, 1907-1909, 1912
Births: 1900-1902, 1907-1916
Death: 1877-1890, 1897, 1899-1905, 1907-1914

Since only Rajcza and Sucha Beskidzka are presently recognized and
listed in the JewishGen Gazeteer, please let me know, what of your
locality we should add to JGFF towns data.

Hope this help,

Alexander Sharon
JGFF editor


Where is Rosendot, Poland? #galicia

Sheldon Rabin
 

According to documentation that my grandparents, Morris Rebensaft
and Ettel Sara Perlmutter, took with them when they came to the states,
they were married on 17 August 1919 in Rabbi Rocker's office in Rosendot,
Poland.

I cannot find Rosendot on any map or reference, but since Morris was
born in Radymin (probably Radymno today) and Ettel was born in
Rozwadow (as was my father), I assume Rosendot was nearby and in
Galicia. Does anyone have information on Rosendot?

Many thanks,
Sheldon Rabin


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Where is Rosendot, Poland? #galicia

Sheldon Rabin
 

According to documentation that my grandparents, Morris Rebensaft
and Ettel Sara Perlmutter, took with them when they came to the states,
they were married on 17 August 1919 in Rabbi Rocker's office in Rosendot,
Poland.

I cannot find Rosendot on any map or reference, but since Morris was
born in Radymin (probably Radymno today) and Ettel was born in
Rozwadow (as was my father), I assume Rosendot was nearby and in
Galicia. Does anyone have information on Rosendot?

Many thanks,
Sheldon Rabin


Elunow, Grzhlarowic - Poland #poland

false <fdbaran@...>
 

Searching the JRI database for the NISKIER family I found two siblings,
Berek and Frajda NISKER, who I suppose are related to my family. Both
were registered in Opatow but the town of birth is listed as
"Elunow, Grzhlarowic".

Want to know if someone knows where this town is located. Googling for
"Elunow Poland" I found a town named Ulanow in Nysko County. It seems to
be a good bet, but would like to read the opinion of other researchers.

By the way, Nysko can be good explanation to the surname NISKIER/NYSKER
(that is, >from Nysko, in Yiddish).

Many thanks,

Flavio Baran


JRI Poland #Poland Elunow, Grzhlarowic - Poland #poland

false <fdbaran@...>
 

Searching the JRI database for the NISKIER family I found two siblings,
Berek and Frajda NISKER, who I suppose are related to my family. Both
were registered in Opatow but the town of birth is listed as
"Elunow, Grzhlarowic".

Want to know if someone knows where this town is located. Googling for
"Elunow Poland" I found a town named Ulanow in Nysko County. It seems to
be a good bet, but would like to read the opinion of other researchers.

By the way, Nysko can be good explanation to the surname NISKIER/NYSKER
(that is, >from Nysko, in Yiddish).

Many thanks,

Flavio Baran


Re: Report from the Conference #romania

Marilyn Newman
 

Thanks to Monica Talmor for taking notes at the ROM SIG Conference meeting.

I was able to connect with several people who are researching my town. And
special thanks to Jay Sage for volunteering to take over the Web duties.

Marilyn Newman
Florida


Romania SIG #Romania Re: Report from the Conference #romania

Marilyn Newman
 

Thanks to Monica Talmor for taking notes at the ROM SIG Conference meeting.

I was able to connect with several people who are researching my town. And
special thanks to Jay Sage for volunteering to take over the Web duties.

Marilyn Newman
Florida


Re: Research in Argentina #general

Daniel Kester
 

Several days ago I posted a question on how to contact the Asociacion de
Genealogia Judia de Argentina (Argentinian Association of Jewish Genealogy). Most
of the responses I got were on the order of "Let me know what you find out!" So,
since others are interested, here is the email address:
consultas.agja@gmail.com

I was also given the name of a professional researcher, contact me directly for
details if interested.

Daniel Kester
geneo@thekesters.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Research in Argentina #general

Daniel Kester
 

Several days ago I posted a question on how to contact the Asociacion de
Genealogia Judia de Argentina (Argentinian Association of Jewish Genealogy). Most
of the responses I got were on the order of "Let me know what you find out!" So,
since others are interested, here is the email address:
consultas.agja@gmail.com

I was also given the name of a professional researcher, contact me directly for
details if interested.

Daniel Kester
geneo@thekesters.net


Reminder to preserve documents and other things in the cloud & off-site #general

Molly Staub
 

The loss of all one's valuables in a hurricane should send a warning to all
of us genealogists to preserve valuable photos of family members, weddings,
B'nai Mitzvot, etc. digitally, then store in the Cloud.

Molly Arost Staub

Researching: AROST/HARAST/JARAST >from Bessarabia/Moldova, Philadelphia, and
Argentina; STOFFMAN/SHTOFMAN >from Bessarabia/Moldova, China, and
Philadelphia; BERENSON/BERENSOHN >from Ukraine, Great Britain, and
Philadelphia; GRAFFMAN/GROFFMAN >from Ukraine, Great Britain, and Philadelphia.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Reminder to preserve documents and other things in the cloud & off-site #general

Molly Staub
 

The loss of all one's valuables in a hurricane should send a warning to all
of us genealogists to preserve valuable photos of family members, weddings,
B'nai Mitzvot, etc. digitally, then store in the Cloud.

Molly Arost Staub

Researching: AROST/HARAST/JARAST >from Bessarabia/Moldova, Philadelphia, and
Argentina; STOFFMAN/SHTOFMAN >from Bessarabia/Moldova, China, and
Philadelphia; BERENSON/BERENSOHN >from Ukraine, Great Britain, and
Philadelphia; GRAFFMAN/GROFFMAN >from Ukraine, Great Britain, and Philadelphia.


Translation on Viewmate #58973 #general

Anne Selikov
 

Hi Genners, I have posted an image on viewmate#58973 . The image is of text
written in Hebrew on the back of a postcard with a picture of a young man in
uniform. The text is fuzzy but I would love to have an idea of the content.
I believe it has to do with the Menaker Family of Vilna. I would appreciate
any insight you could offer. Thanking you in advance for your time. Anne
Selikov So Cal

MODERATOR: The direct URL is
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/responselist.asp?key=58973
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not only the ViewMate number


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Translation on Viewmate #58973 #general

Anne Selikov
 

Hi Genners, I have posted an image on viewmate#58973 . The image is of text
written in Hebrew on the back of a postcard with a picture of a young man in
uniform. The text is fuzzy but I would love to have an idea of the content.
I believe it has to do with the Menaker Family of Vilna. I would appreciate
any insight you could offer. Thanking you in advance for your time. Anne
Selikov So Cal

MODERATOR: The direct URL is
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/responselist.asp?key=58973
Please respond privately or through the ViewMate response form. To avoid having
messages returned for editing please include the full URL to your ViewMate image,
not only the ViewMate number

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