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Wm. the Conquerer/King David #general

Lilli Sprintz <spri0037@...>
 

Dear Friends,

I have been thrilled with this wonderful discussion about
William of Orange and our famous King David. It has been
a joy, and really interesting.

Yet, I have some feelings and thoughts about this, and would
like to share a "touch of class" on the topic.

This is not to insult anyone. Just to ask us to put our
thinking caps on.

We all come >from so many diverse backgrounds. One of you
might have a relative related to the Baal Shem Tov, another
from the tsaddik (righouteous) person who lived across the
street >from my maternal great-grandparents in Poland (though
one of them might have been my great-grandmother). Please
remember, that each of us comes >from equally wonderful
parents, great-grandparents and other kin >from all kinds of
backgrounds, all of which are wonderful and powerful. My
maternal grandmother came >from a shtetl in Ciechanow, Poland.
She, being the oldest, and the first girl, got to wash the
cobblestones on her side of the street outside their home.
She was the first of the children, after her father, to go it
alone on a boat to the States, being a textile worker/button
sewer when she got here. Her father, my greatgrandfather,
came on a boat to the United States with little but the faith
he had, survival instinct, and a knack for making and repairing
shoes. That's all. His prayer shawl made it when another
daughter came here, several years later.

Each of our ancestors, no matter who they were, great or
"small", were wonderful, heroic human beings with the humanity
and bravery and power to survive under tremendous odds.

It's not that being >from the lineage of a famous rabbi, or
King David, or William the Conquerer is not significant. But
lots of of us who come >from lesser-known lineage have as much
to be proud about.

They all "kept their hats and scarves on" under overwhelming
conditions and brought us up into freedom in their own ways,
with their own sense of courage and humor. You all, and I,
have to be particularly proud when we know that some of their
histories are lost, yet they are still "famous." They raised
us. They kept us, the Jewish people, going for millenia. We
owe them our thanks and our appreciation for having been alive,
they were all the reason so many of us flourish now. And live.
And thrive. No matter what the culture, no matter what work
they did, or what we and they do now. We are all so good, such
heroes, that no matter there are no books written about them
(yet), we might all consider being terribly proud of them and
ourselves.

Thanks,

Lilli Sprintz


ZAGIC family #general

rromem <meirromem@...>
 

Dear Genners,

After looking up this surname on the D-M Soundex I am still
unfamiliar and confused by the surname ZAGIC.

My great uncle Louis SHERMAN married Sarah ZAGIC. This is
the spelling on his son Alec's birth certificate >from London.
in 1907. He came >from Vilna. I wdon't know for sure but I
presume they married in Vilna/thereabouts in the very late
1800's. So my question is whether anyone is familiar with
this ZAGIC family?

While searching through the J Family Finder and the Lithuanian
and Polish databases I found a BAYTLER listed with the ZAGIC
list. Is anyone familiar with any Baytlers or Beitlers?

Thank you,

Ros Romem

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.


Marks L. COHEN #general

rromem <meirromem@...>
 

Dear Genners,

Does anyone have either Baron Jacob COHEN or his brother
Marks.L.COHEN on their family tree? They were born in or
near Jedwabne POLAND and emigrated to Ireland, settling in
Dublin and Cork primarily.They were born in the mid 1800's.

Thank you

Ros Romem

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.


Re: Metric Records versus Tax/Census Records #general

Peter Zavon <PZavon@...>
 

I should think that governments have a greater interest in
preserving records of money owed and paid (tax and census
records) than of who might eventually owe money (BDM records)
even when they despise the people owing the money. Also, tax
records might be less identified with a disliked ethnic or
religious group and thus be less of a target of those wanting
to destroy records of particular groups.

In other words, money talks, and also preserves records.

Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY 14526

PZavon@Rochester.RR.Com

"David Goldman" <davic1@erols.com> wrote in message
news:001c01c28a5b$f096d8f0$efdf7ad1@DAVIDGOLDMAN...

I am curious as to why in many cases tax./census records
from the Russian Empire can be found to exist more easily
than metric records (birth, death, marriage) in archives.
In most of my family research, I have been able to obtain
tax and census records, but very few metric records. Does
it have to do with where the respective records were stored
before World War II, and which archives were then destroyed
in the war? I have found this situation in archive research
in Minsk, Chernigov, Odessa and Kaminetz-Podolsk.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Wm. the Conquerer/King David #general

Lilli Sprintz <spri0037@...>
 

Dear Friends,

I have been thrilled with this wonderful discussion about
William of Orange and our famous King David. It has been
a joy, and really interesting.

Yet, I have some feelings and thoughts about this, and would
like to share a "touch of class" on the topic.

This is not to insult anyone. Just to ask us to put our
thinking caps on.

We all come >from so many diverse backgrounds. One of you
might have a relative related to the Baal Shem Tov, another
from the tsaddik (righouteous) person who lived across the
street >from my maternal great-grandparents in Poland (though
one of them might have been my great-grandmother). Please
remember, that each of us comes >from equally wonderful
parents, great-grandparents and other kin >from all kinds of
backgrounds, all of which are wonderful and powerful. My
maternal grandmother came >from a shtetl in Ciechanow, Poland.
She, being the oldest, and the first girl, got to wash the
cobblestones on her side of the street outside their home.
She was the first of the children, after her father, to go it
alone on a boat to the States, being a textile worker/button
sewer when she got here. Her father, my greatgrandfather,
came on a boat to the United States with little but the faith
he had, survival instinct, and a knack for making and repairing
shoes. That's all. His prayer shawl made it when another
daughter came here, several years later.

Each of our ancestors, no matter who they were, great or
"small", were wonderful, heroic human beings with the humanity
and bravery and power to survive under tremendous odds.

It's not that being >from the lineage of a famous rabbi, or
King David, or William the Conquerer is not significant. But
lots of of us who come >from lesser-known lineage have as much
to be proud about.

They all "kept their hats and scarves on" under overwhelming
conditions and brought us up into freedom in their own ways,
with their own sense of courage and humor. You all, and I,
have to be particularly proud when we know that some of their
histories are lost, yet they are still "famous." They raised
us. They kept us, the Jewish people, going for millenia. We
owe them our thanks and our appreciation for having been alive,
they were all the reason so many of us flourish now. And live.
And thrive. No matter what the culture, no matter what work
they did, or what we and they do now. We are all so good, such
heroes, that no matter there are no books written about them
(yet), we might all consider being terribly proud of them and
ourselves.

Thanks,

Lilli Sprintz


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ZAGIC family #general

rromem <meirromem@...>
 

Dear Genners,

After looking up this surname on the D-M Soundex I am still
unfamiliar and confused by the surname ZAGIC.

My great uncle Louis SHERMAN married Sarah ZAGIC. This is
the spelling on his son Alec's birth certificate >from London.
in 1907. He came >from Vilna. I wdon't know for sure but I
presume they married in Vilna/thereabouts in the very late
1800's. So my question is whether anyone is familiar with
this ZAGIC family?

While searching through the J Family Finder and the Lithuanian
and Polish databases I found a BAYTLER listed with the ZAGIC
list. Is anyone familiar with any Baytlers or Beitlers?

Thank you,

Ros Romem

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Marks L. COHEN #general

rromem <meirromem@...>
 

Dear Genners,

Does anyone have either Baron Jacob COHEN or his brother
Marks.L.COHEN on their family tree? They were born in or
near Jedwabne POLAND and emigrated to Ireland, settling in
Dublin and Cork primarily.They were born in the mid 1800's.

Thank you

Ros Romem

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Metric Records versus Tax/Census Records #general

Peter Zavon <PZavon@...>
 

I should think that governments have a greater interest in
preserving records of money owed and paid (tax and census
records) than of who might eventually owe money (BDM records)
even when they despise the people owing the money. Also, tax
records might be less identified with a disliked ethnic or
religious group and thus be less of a target of those wanting
to destroy records of particular groups.

In other words, money talks, and also preserves records.

Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY 14526

PZavon@Rochester.RR.Com

"David Goldman" <davic1@erols.com> wrote in message
news:001c01c28a5b$f096d8f0$efdf7ad1@DAVIDGOLDMAN...

I am curious as to why in many cases tax./census records
from the Russian Empire can be found to exist more easily
than metric records (birth, death, marriage) in archives.
In most of my family research, I have been able to obtain
tax and census records, but very few metric records. Does
it have to do with where the respective records were stored
before World War II, and which archives were then destroyed
in the war? I have found this situation in archive research
in Minsk, Chernigov, Odessa and Kaminetz-Podolsk.


Gov't sent me wrong SS-5 form; now what? #general

Alex Bender <alemik@...>
 

Hello all,
To my great disappointment, the gov't sent me an SS-5 form,
as I had requested, for Jacob Bender born in 1873. Sounds
fine so far. The problem is, it's not my Jacob Bender -
in fact, not even a Jewish Jacob Bender! The locations are
totally off as well. I am sure that they sent me the wrong
person.

Do I have any right to send back the record and request another
search? Or is the transaction totally complete as far as they
are concerned?

I checked the Freedom of Information website and they seem to be
reticent on what my options are. So, I was wondering what any of
you have done in similar situations.

The SS-5 request fee was not cheap. I suppose I could always
spend another $29 (I don't have my ancestor's SS number) and
hope that I get luckier, but given the uncertainty of obtaining
positive results, I'd rather not. I have no additional information
to give them that they could double-check in the event of duplicate
names. The first time around, I gave them a name, month/year of
birth, address at time of death, and date of death. I am not able
to supply parents' names (indeed, that is precisely why I need
the SS- 5).

Given that the wrong form was sent to me, is there any way to
know whether or not my ancestor actually applied for Social
Security? He died in 1950 and is not present in the SS Death Index.
It seems to me that either he didn't apply and therefore no record
exists, or he did and the person searching screwed up or
overlooked the record. This uncertainty will surely drive me crazy!

Thanks for any tips.
Alex


MARVIN/MERVIN was MEIR ?? #general

Dina Aptekar Hill <DinaHill@...>
 

Jewishgenners are fantastic!! With the help of a fellow
Jewishgenner, I believe I finally solved the mystery of this
name that has had me wondering about it for years.

"I read your letter because of my own First name. My Yiddish
name is Meyer (Meir). It is remotely possible that the last
name Marvin was originally some such Yiddish name. Can you
find any immigration records for Meira?"

I went through my files and there was her social security
application right there with the surname MEIRA staring right
back at me.

A few years back, I was in touch with the son of one of the
MARVIN sisters. He told me that his cousin Sadie lived with
them and grew up with him as a sister. Her father was one of
the MARVIN brothers who's name was forgotten by all. Harold
only remembered that he was the black sheep of the family.

Since Harold told me the name of Sadie's son, I e-mailed him.
He confirmed that his mother was raised by Jennie MARVIN BROWN,
and that although she was the neice, she grew up with the kids
as another one of her daughters.

Would you believe I went through my family history binder book
and found Sadie Weingrad's social security application that I
obviously sent for years ago when I first started the genealogy
searches. Her maiden name was MEIRA and she was also born in
Russia. She has her father's name as Arthur MEIRA and her mom
as Rose with a question mark for Rose's maiden name. The weird
thing or coincidental thing about that is that Rose was also
one of her other aunt's names.

So MARVIN was MEIRA it seems!!! I didn't make the connection
years ago when I received the application, but it is so obvious
now. Isn't it??

Sadie filled out her own social security application so isn't
that one of the best for accuracy??

Dina Aptekar Hill
Ft. Lauderdale, FL


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Gov't sent me wrong SS-5 form; now what? #general

Alex Bender <alemik@...>
 

Hello all,
To my great disappointment, the gov't sent me an SS-5 form,
as I had requested, for Jacob Bender born in 1873. Sounds
fine so far. The problem is, it's not my Jacob Bender -
in fact, not even a Jewish Jacob Bender! The locations are
totally off as well. I am sure that they sent me the wrong
person.

Do I have any right to send back the record and request another
search? Or is the transaction totally complete as far as they
are concerned?

I checked the Freedom of Information website and they seem to be
reticent on what my options are. So, I was wondering what any of
you have done in similar situations.

The SS-5 request fee was not cheap. I suppose I could always
spend another $29 (I don't have my ancestor's SS number) and
hope that I get luckier, but given the uncertainty of obtaining
positive results, I'd rather not. I have no additional information
to give them that they could double-check in the event of duplicate
names. The first time around, I gave them a name, month/year of
birth, address at time of death, and date of death. I am not able
to supply parents' names (indeed, that is precisely why I need
the SS- 5).

Given that the wrong form was sent to me, is there any way to
know whether or not my ancestor actually applied for Social
Security? He died in 1950 and is not present in the SS Death Index.
It seems to me that either he didn't apply and therefore no record
exists, or he did and the person searching screwed up or
overlooked the record. This uncertainty will surely drive me crazy!

Thanks for any tips.
Alex


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen MARVIN/MERVIN was MEIR ?? #general

Dina Aptekar Hill <DinaHill@...>
 

Jewishgenners are fantastic!! With the help of a fellow
Jewishgenner, I believe I finally solved the mystery of this
name that has had me wondering about it for years.

"I read your letter because of my own First name. My Yiddish
name is Meyer (Meir). It is remotely possible that the last
name Marvin was originally some such Yiddish name. Can you
find any immigration records for Meira?"

I went through my files and there was her social security
application right there with the surname MEIRA staring right
back at me.

A few years back, I was in touch with the son of one of the
MARVIN sisters. He told me that his cousin Sadie lived with
them and grew up with him as a sister. Her father was one of
the MARVIN brothers who's name was forgotten by all. Harold
only remembered that he was the black sheep of the family.

Since Harold told me the name of Sadie's son, I e-mailed him.
He confirmed that his mother was raised by Jennie MARVIN BROWN,
and that although she was the neice, she grew up with the kids
as another one of her daughters.

Would you believe I went through my family history binder book
and found Sadie Weingrad's social security application that I
obviously sent for years ago when I first started the genealogy
searches. Her maiden name was MEIRA and she was also born in
Russia. She has her father's name as Arthur MEIRA and her mom
as Rose with a question mark for Rose's maiden name. The weird
thing or coincidental thing about that is that Rose was also
one of her other aunt's names.

So MARVIN was MEIRA it seems!!! I didn't make the connection
years ago when I received the application, but it is so obvious
now. Isn't it??

Sadie filled out her own social security application so isn't
that one of the best for accuracy??

Dina Aptekar Hill
Ft. Lauderdale, FL


San Diego Jewish Genealogical Society #general

enalibof@...
 

Next meeting: Sunday, November 17th - 1:00 P.M.

Lawrence Family Jewish Community Center 2nd Floor - Sr. Activity Rm.

*Program*

Established San Diego genealogist, Joan Lowrey will discuss
"The Hamburg Passenger Lists." These are a goldmine, as they
contain the place of birth or last residence. They are indexed
from 1850 through 1934, so are extremely important for years
when there is no index for various U.S. ports. Immigrants >from
Scandinavia, Poland, Russia and other countries also left >from
Hamburg. How to use these indexes and lists will be covered in
detail.

Non-members pay $3.00

Contact: Ellen Naliboff
San Diego Jewish Genealogical Society


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen San Diego Jewish Genealogical Society #general

enalibof@...
 

Next meeting: Sunday, November 17th - 1:00 P.M.

Lawrence Family Jewish Community Center 2nd Floor - Sr. Activity Rm.

*Program*

Established San Diego genealogist, Joan Lowrey will discuss
"The Hamburg Passenger Lists." These are a goldmine, as they
contain the place of birth or last residence. They are indexed
from 1850 through 1934, so are extremely important for years
when there is no index for various U.S. ports. Immigrants >from
Scandinavia, Poland, Russia and other countries also left >from
Hamburg. How to use these indexes and lists will be covered in
detail.

Non-members pay $3.00

Contact: Ellen Naliboff
San Diego Jewish Genealogical Society


BRANDON #scandinavia

Irene Levita <mimosa@...>
 

Hello

I am new with Scandinavian gen. I have been looking for PHILIP BRANDON,
my great-great-grandfather,born before 1832. (1832 was the year his son
was born) I have reason to believe that he may have
lived either in Altona, or Hamburg. He later emigrated to Amsterdam,
where my greatgrandfather was born.
PHILIP BRANDON married a lady whose name was Suze, or Suzanne, but I
have no maidenname.
I have tried many avenues but have not been able to find out anything
about them. If anyone is able to help in any way, I would be very
grateful.

Irene Levita
California
mimosa@cncnet.com


Scandinavia SIG #Scandinavia BRANDON #scandinavia

Irene Levita <mimosa@...>
 

Hello

I am new with Scandinavian gen. I have been looking for PHILIP BRANDON,
my great-great-grandfather,born before 1832. (1832 was the year his son
was born) I have reason to believe that he may have
lived either in Altona, or Hamburg. He later emigrated to Amsterdam,
where my greatgrandfather was born.
PHILIP BRANDON married a lady whose name was Suze, or Suzanne, but I
have no maidenname.
I have tried many avenues but have not been able to find out anything
about them. If anyone is able to help in any way, I would be very
grateful.

Irene Levita
California
mimosa@cncnet.com


compensation for slave labour #poland

Mark Finkelstein <finkym@...>
 

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slave labourers that was posted.
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information. How do I know if the Scyzoryk listed is my family?

Thank you for the help.
Madeleine Sarick
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JRI Poland #Poland compensation for slave labour #poland

Mark Finkelstein <finkym@...>
 

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I had been unable to find any record of what happened to my =
grandfather's family >from Dzialoszyce, so I looked through the list of =
slave labourers that was posted.
My family name is there, but the list provides no first name or other =
information. How do I know if the Scyzoryk listed is my family?

Thank you for the help.
Madeleine Sarick
POLAND: SCYZORYK, POMOCHNIK >from DZIALOSZYCE or BENDIN; FINKELSTEIN =
from RAJGEROD; NACHTIGAL >from IVANSK
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Re: Polish Directories online #poland

Shlomo Wygodny <wygodny@...>
 

Is there a pre-WW2 phone directory for Lodz?
- Shlomo Wygodny
Ramat Hasharon, Israel

-----Original Message-----
From: Hadassah Lipsius
To: JRI-Poland
Sent: 12/11/02 04:32
Subject: [jri-pl] Re: Polish Directories online

Gary stated:

<Regarding the 1938/39 Warsaw directory " Spis abonentow warszawskiej
sieci
telefonow." at
http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.gdc/scd0001.20020611001wa.2:

YIVO Institute has a copy. I saw it many years ago at their facility.>

The New York Public Library has the following Warsaw Phone Books
under Call Number *ZAN-9542

-1939/40
-1931/32
-1933/34
-1936/37

Under Call Number *ZAN-9541
-1936-37


When I mention to people about these phone books, I always add that it
always fun for me to think that my grandmother's sisters in Warsaw all
had
telephone numbers while my grandmother who lived in New York did not get
a
phone till 1942.

Hadassah Lipsius
Kew Gardens Hills, NY


Lebedow #poland

LADYODLES@...
 

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Has anyone here heard of a town called Lebedow? Supposedly my great
grandmother on my mom's side--Helen Berezowsky nee Farberman was >from that
town...only thing is now I can't find it anywhere. Please help.

Samantha Weiner
_________________

Searching for: Berezowsky
Asherman
Trop
Jakubowicz
Farberman
Sugarman
Weiner (supposedly >from Kiev (Kiyev) but there is more to
this story and would be glad to share.

some of these have many spellings.

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<BR>
<BR>Samantha Weiner
<BR>_________________
<BR>
<BR>Searching for: Berezowsky
<BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Asherman
<BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Trop
<BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Jakubowicz
<BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Farberman
<BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Sugarman
<BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Weiner (supposedly >from Kiev (Kiyev) but there is more to this story and would be glad to share.
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<BR>some of these have many spellings.</FONT></HTML>

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