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Tracing the COBURN family #general

Martyn Drake <martyn@...>
 

Hello,

I'm trying to trace the Jewish side of my mother's family and trying
to find out how far back the matrilineal rule for being considered
Jewish goes back (for example, would it be considered one or two
generations, or would it go much further back than that).

A bit of background. Although not raised as Jewish (in fact, I was
baptised in the Anglican church and my father is not religious,
although I believe his family did come >from a Christian background),
it turns out that my mother was Jewish, as was my grandmother and my
great-grandmother before her. As far as I am aware (and have been
told), >from my great-grandmother on my mother's side onwards is when
they married outside the faith.

Although neither my grandmother or mother grew up or practice the
Jewish faith (and it's taken 30 years for me to discover this - it was
never discussed!), I am nonetheless curious about the Jewish roots of
the family.

My mother's married name was Noble (Jean Kathleen, born 19th Janurary
1939). My grandmother's maiden name was Coburn (Kathleen Coburn, born
11th May 1915, although I have not managed to find any record of her
birth - this was what was recorded on her death certificated). I
cannot find any records relating to my great-grandmother and her
family - although the majority of the family appears to have lived in
and around London .

I've not been able to find much information in the JewishGen UK
databases, and since my mother and grandparents have long since gone
I'm not able to question them - although I am trying to get in touch
with my uncle to see what he knows about this. Is there any good
places that I might be able to look to see if I can go further back
than my grandmother?

Many thanks,

Martyn
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Tracing the COBURN family #general

Martyn Drake <martyn@...>
 

Hello,

I'm trying to trace the Jewish side of my mother's family and trying
to find out how far back the matrilineal rule for being considered
Jewish goes back (for example, would it be considered one or two
generations, or would it go much further back than that).

A bit of background. Although not raised as Jewish (in fact, I was
baptised in the Anglican church and my father is not religious,
although I believe his family did come >from a Christian background),
it turns out that my mother was Jewish, as was my grandmother and my
great-grandmother before her. As far as I am aware (and have been
told), >from my great-grandmother on my mother's side onwards is when
they married outside the faith.

Although neither my grandmother or mother grew up or practice the
Jewish faith (and it's taken 30 years for me to discover this - it was
never discussed!), I am nonetheless curious about the Jewish roots of
the family.

My mother's married name was Noble (Jean Kathleen, born 19th Janurary
1939). My grandmother's maiden name was Coburn (Kathleen Coburn, born
11th May 1915, although I have not managed to find any record of her
birth - this was what was recorded on her death certificated). I
cannot find any records relating to my great-grandmother and her
family - although the majority of the family appears to have lived in
and around London .

I've not been able to find much information in the JewishGen UK
databases, and since my mother and grandparents have long since gone
I'm not able to question them - although I am trying to get in touch
with my uncle to see what he knows about this. Is there any good
places that I might be able to look to see if I can go further back
than my grandmother?

Many thanks,

Martyn
Re: Zaslav #belarus

Alexander Sharon
 

"L A" wrote
I ask about Zaslav, knights of Zaslav because My
grandparents are buried in Everett, MA. The area that
they are buried in says knights of Zaslav. I don't
know who had the relationship to zaslav my GGF or GGM.
They lived together in Kishinev. However GGF had a
son living in Shargorod (?sp)Which I believe is sw of
Kiev. I found Zaslav in Belarus, but not sure what
the relationship would have been to my GGparents.
Maybe after I visit Nara in the next few eeks I'll
find out!
Hi,

Zaslaw (Zaslav), you are referring to, is known currently as Izyaslaw at
5007 2648 in Podolia region in Ukraine. Known Jewish towns such as
Shepetivka, and Belogorodka, are located within 13 miles distance. Shargorod
is located a bit further but still in the same genearl Podolia region
vicinity.

I am not familiar with the particular Knights of Zaslav fraternity of MA,
but in NY county there is lsiting for another landmashaftn association >from
Zaslaw, known as First Saslawer (Zaslawer) Benevolent Association (est
1896).
YIVO database also lists Zaslaver Relief Committee (Boston)

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Ab., Canada
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Zaslav #general

Alexander Sharon
 

"L A" wrote
I ask about Zaslav, knights of Zaslav because My
grandparents are buried in Everett, MA. The area that
they are buried in says knights of Zaslav. I don't
know who had the relationship to zaslav my GGF or GGM.
They lived together in Kishinev. However GGF had a
son living in Shargorod (?sp)Which I believe is sw of
Kiev. I found Zaslav in Belarus, but not sure what
the relationship would have been to my GGparents.
Maybe after I visit Nara in the next few eeks I'll
find out!
Hi,

Zaslaw (Zaslav), you are referring to, is known currently as Izyaslaw at
5007 2648 in Podolia region in Ukraine. Known Jewish towns such as
Shepetivka, and Belogorodka, are located within 13 miles distance. Shargorod
is located a bit further but still in the same genearl Podolia region
vicinity.

I am not familiar with the particular Knights of Zaslav fraternity of MA,
but in NY county there is lsiting for another landmashaftn association >from
Zaslaw, known as First Saslawer (Zaslawer) Benevolent Association (est
1896).
YIVO database also lists Zaslaver Relief Committee (Boston)

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Ab., Canada
Researcging: KUNIN - Russia > Montreal #general

Gary Kass <gman425@...>
 

Is there anyone out there who can help me with this problem? I know of a
Canadian entertainer(who is very talented)named Elan KUNIN. Elan's family
emmigrated >from Russia to Montreal(I don't know which year or what part of
Russia they came from). His great-grandfather was named Morris and was in
real estate. His grandfather was named Jack. Jack had two sisters,Libby
and Anne. Elan believes his great-grandmother's maiden name was Posen. He
knows there are relatives in New York City. He is also aware of an aunt
and uncle named Sarah and Abraham,respectively.
As it turns out,my grandmother's maiden name was also Kunin. She was born
Tsivia in 1893 or 1894. She came to the United States just over 95 years
ago,on December 4,1911. My grandmother was born in Minsk,in the Vitebsk
Gubernia. Her American name was Celia. She married my grandfather on May
24,1913. My grandmother's father was Lewis Kunin and her mother was Muska
Abramis. Both parents were born in 1865 in Vitebsk and died in 1906 in
Vitebsk as well. I am aware of at least two brothers of my grandmother,but
I don't know their names.
Does anybody know if my grandmother's brother might have been one of
Elan's relatives? I don't think Kunin is that common a name. My
grandparents did settle in Brooklyn after emmigrating >from Russia. Any
help that is provided is greatly appreciated.
Thank you very much.
Gary Kass
Staten Island,New York
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Researcging: KUNIN - Russia > Montreal #general

Gary Kass <gman425@...>
 

Is there anyone out there who can help me with this problem? I know of a
Canadian entertainer(who is very talented)named Elan KUNIN. Elan's family
emmigrated >from Russia to Montreal(I don't know which year or what part of
Russia they came from). His great-grandfather was named Morris and was in
real estate. His grandfather was named Jack. Jack had two sisters,Libby
and Anne. Elan believes his great-grandmother's maiden name was Posen. He
knows there are relatives in New York City. He is also aware of an aunt
and uncle named Sarah and Abraham,respectively.
As it turns out,my grandmother's maiden name was also Kunin. She was born
Tsivia in 1893 or 1894. She came to the United States just over 95 years
ago,on December 4,1911. My grandmother was born in Minsk,in the Vitebsk
Gubernia. Her American name was Celia. She married my grandfather on May
24,1913. My grandmother's father was Lewis Kunin and her mother was Muska
Abramis. Both parents were born in 1865 in Vitebsk and died in 1906 in
Vitebsk as well. I am aware of at least two brothers of my grandmother,but
I don't know their names.
Does anybody know if my grandmother's brother might have been one of
Elan's relatives? I don't think Kunin is that common a name. My
grandparents did settle in Brooklyn after emmigrating >from Russia. Any
help that is provided is greatly appreciated.
Thank you very much.
Gary Kass
Staten Island,New York
Descendants of the MaHaRaL of Prague #dna

Henry (home) <hmsinai@...>
 

I am researching the SINAI family name and have initiated a DNA
project. Please contact me privately if you believe that you are
descended on a direct male line >from the MaHaRal of Prague (R. Judah
Loew ben Bezalel) or one of his male siblings (especially, R. Sinai
ben Bezalel).

Henry Sinai
Raanana, Israel

Researching: Personal Name of "Sinai"
Family names: SINAI (SZINAI, SINAJ,SYNAJ, etc.); PARNES- Lemberg
(Lvov), Brody, Berlin; GOLDENBERG- Brody, Berlin; MOSZKOWSKI- Opole
Lubelskie; Leszniow, Rzeszow, Poland; SOBEL- Opole Lubelskie, Rzeszow;
Poland; SCHMITZ - Slovakia, Austria/Hungary; WOLARSKY -Mlawa; Poland;
JELLINEK - Bratislava (Pressburg), Vienna
DNA Research #DNA Descendants of the MaHaRaL of Prague #dna

Henry (home) <hmsinai@...>
 

I am researching the SINAI family name and have initiated a DNA
project. Please contact me privately if you believe that you are
descended on a direct male line >from the MaHaRal of Prague (R. Judah
Loew ben Bezalel) or one of his male siblings (especially, R. Sinai
ben Bezalel).

Henry Sinai
Raanana, Israel

Researching: Personal Name of "Sinai"
Family names: SINAI (SZINAI, SINAJ,SYNAJ, etc.); PARNES- Lemberg
(Lvov), Brody, Berlin; GOLDENBERG- Brody, Berlin; MOSZKOWSKI- Opole
Lubelskie; Leszniow, Rzeszow, Poland; SOBEL- Opole Lubelskie, Rzeszow;
Poland; SCHMITZ - Slovakia, Austria/Hungary; WOLARSKY -Mlawa; Poland;
JELLINEK - Bratislava (Pressburg), Vienna
Descendants of the MaHaRaL of Prague #rabbinic

Henry (home) <hmsinai@...>
 

I am researching the SINAI family name. Please contact me privately
if you believe that you are descended on a direct male line >from the
MaHaRal of Prague (R. Judah Loew ben Bezalel) or one of his male
siblings (especially, R. Sinai ben Bezalel).

Henry Sinai
Raanana, Israel

Researching: Personal Name of "Sinai"
Family names: SINAI (SZINAI, SINAJ,SYNAJ, etc.); PARNES- Lemberg
(Lvov), Brody, Berlin; GOLDENBERG- Brody, Berlin; MOSZKOWSKI- Opole
Lubelskie; Leszniow, Rzeszow, Poland; SOBEL- Opole Lubelskie, Rzeszow;
Poland; SCHMITZ - Slovakia, Austria/Hungary; WOLARSKY -Mlawa; Poland;
JELLINEK - Bratislava (Pressburg), Vienna
Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Descendants of the MaHaRaL of Prague #rabbinic

Henry (home) <hmsinai@...>
 

I am researching the SINAI family name. Please contact me privately
if you believe that you are descended on a direct male line >from the
MaHaRal of Prague (R. Judah Loew ben Bezalel) or one of his male
siblings (especially, R. Sinai ben Bezalel).

Henry Sinai
Raanana, Israel

Researching: Personal Name of "Sinai"
Family names: SINAI (SZINAI, SINAJ,SYNAJ, etc.); PARNES- Lemberg
(Lvov), Brody, Berlin; GOLDENBERG- Brody, Berlin; MOSZKOWSKI- Opole
Lubelskie; Leszniow, Rzeszow, Poland; SOBEL- Opole Lubelskie, Rzeszow;
Poland; SCHMITZ - Slovakia, Austria/Hungary; WOLARSKY -Mlawa; Poland;
JELLINEK - Bratislava (Pressburg), Vienna
Searching OLINGER #scandinavia

Barbara Olinger
 

I am new to the Scandinavian SIG and am searching the surname OLINGER,
or perhaps OLIENGER or OLINGIER. My husband's great-grandfather,
Abraham OLINGER and maybe his wife Rakhel and/or Sophie, were said to
have come >from Sweden and moved to Galicia (Skala area). I estimate
that they left Sweden sometime >from around 1850 to around 1875.

I'm also searching for Abraham's great-grandson, Alexander OLINGER,
son of Emil OLINGER (d. 1999, in Warsaw). We were told that Alexander
OLINGER was born around 1947 and lives in or around Lund, Sweden. I'd
like to contact him to see what information he has about his
ancestors.

Can anyone help me find Alexander OLINGER, and does any one have any
information about Jewish OLINGERs in Sweden?

Thank you.
Barbara OLINGER
Glencoe, Illinois, USA

also searching: KULI, ROSENBERG, MAGER, SEEMAN, ROZMANN, MANDEL,
PARNES (all in Galicia); BRANTMAN, SPECTOR (Lithuania)
Scandinavia SIG #Scandinavia Searching OLINGER #scandinavia

Barbara Olinger
 

I am new to the Scandinavian SIG and am searching the surname OLINGER,
or perhaps OLIENGER or OLINGIER. My husband's great-grandfather,
Abraham OLINGER and maybe his wife Rakhel and/or Sophie, were said to
have come >from Sweden and moved to Galicia (Skala area). I estimate
that they left Sweden sometime >from around 1850 to around 1875.

I'm also searching for Abraham's great-grandson, Alexander OLINGER,
son of Emil OLINGER (d. 1999, in Warsaw). We were told that Alexander
OLINGER was born around 1947 and lives in or around Lund, Sweden. I'd
like to contact him to see what information he has about his
ancestors.

Can anyone help me find Alexander OLINGER, and does any one have any
information about Jewish OLINGERs in Sweden?

Thank you.
Barbara OLINGER
Glencoe, Illinois, USA

also searching: KULI, ROSENBERG, MAGER, SEEMAN, ROZMANN, MANDEL,
PARNES (all in Galicia); BRANTMAN, SPECTOR (Lithuania)
Chag Sameaj Chanukah #ukraine

Ana <ananuta@...>
 

Dear Genners:
I wish you, your family and all jewish people in the
world a healthy, happy Chanukah with peace.

Ana R.Nuta
ananuta@ciudad.com.ar
ananuta@yahoo.com
Buenos Aires
Argentina

MODERATOR'S NOTE: This goes for all of us, too! This is not the start of a thread.
Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Chag Sameaj Chanukah #ukraine

Ana <ananuta@...>
 

Dear Genners:
I wish you, your family and all jewish people in the
world a healthy, happy Chanukah with peace.

Ana R.Nuta
ananuta@ciudad.com.ar
ananuta@yahoo.com
Buenos Aires
Argentina

MODERATOR'S NOTE: This goes for all of us, too! This is not the start of a thread.
Re: Origin of PINCHERLE of Italy #general

Jules Levin
 

How/why does a writer chose their special nom de plume? That is a question
I pondered on when I discovered today that the real name of Alberto Moravia,
the Italian novelist and writer, was actually PINCHERLE.
snip>>>>>>>>>

You may add to the puzzle the Italian Jewish writer Italo Svevo >from Trieste.
His real name was Schmidt. Trieste, part of Austria, seems
to have been an entry point into Italy for Ashkenazi
Jews.
Jules Levin
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Origin of PINCHERLE of Italy #general

Jules Levin
 

How/why does a writer chose their special nom de plume? That is a question
I pondered on when I discovered today that the real name of Alberto Moravia,
the Italian novelist and writer, was actually PINCHERLE.
snip>>>>>>>>>

You may add to the puzzle the Italian Jewish writer Italo Svevo >from Trieste.
His real name was Schmidt. Trieste, part of Austria, seems
to have been an entry point into Italy for Ashkenazi
Jews.
Jules Levin
Re: Searching KUJAWSKI family Shoah survivors #general

Eve Line Blum <eve.line.blum@...>
 

This name seems rather common.I don't know if the following
information may help you. There were 5 KUJAWSKI deported >from France
during WWII. There is a POT on the site of Yad Vashem for one of them
and for his sister, but I couldn't find the name of his sister among
the Jews deported >from France. There are currently about 20 KUJAWSKI
in the French directory, and according to the index of French
naturalisations, 19 KUJAWSKI asked for the French nationality between
1900 and 1950.

Eve Line Blum-Cherchevsky
Besancon (France)
and also
Cercle de Genealogie Juive (International JGS in Paris)
http://www.genealoj.org
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Searching KUJAWSKI family Shoah survivors #general

Eve Line Blum <eve.line.blum@...>
 

This name seems rather common.I don't know if the following
information may help you. There were 5 KUJAWSKI deported >from France
during WWII. There is a POT on the site of Yad Vashem for one of them
and for his sister, but I couldn't find the name of his sister among
the Jews deported >from France. There are currently about 20 KUJAWSKI
in the French directory, and according to the index of French
naturalisations, 19 KUJAWSKI asked for the French nationality between
1900 and 1950.

Eve Line Blum-Cherchevsky
Besancon (France)
and also
Cercle de Genealogie Juive (International JGS in Paris)
http://www.genealoj.org
Listing of Belchatow, Poland Jews Pre-1940 #general

Roni S. Liebowitz
 

In August 1992, on the 50th Anniversary of the Liquidation
of the Jewish Ghetto in Belchatow, representatives of Jewish
Belchatower Societies, led by Menachem Sharon, former
secretary of the Israeli embassy in Warsaw and now chairman
of the Belchatower Society in Israel, with the support of
the mayor of Belchatow, erected a memorial monument made
from parts of broken gravestones in a public park on the
site of the former Jewish cemetery. [See photos at
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Belchatow/gravestones.ht
m ]. To see photos of the 1992 ceremony, go to
http://www.jri-poland.org/belchatow_memorial.htm

At the ceremony, Menachem Sharon was presented a 137-page
document listing all the Jews who lived in Belchatow as of
1939 along with their dates of birth (very few do not have
the dates included). This effort was led by the late Mr.
Boguslaw Dziedzic, Director of the Regional Museum in
Belchatow and the President of the Association of the
Friends of Belchatow. The list which contains the names of
over 6,000 Jews was compiled mostly >from the Belchatow Book
of Residents but may have also been added to >from vital
records and recollections of neighbors. Several of the names
appear more than once on the original list, probably because
people were listed a few times in the Book of Residents.
Sometimes a person is listed twice on the database but with
dates of birth that differ by one number. Possibly a
different date was reported depending upon who gave the
information at the time the Book of Residents was compiled.
The database reflects these inconsistencies.

Mr. Sharon presented this document to me in July 2004. Of
the 137 pages, one page (number 32) is missing. This would
contain up to 52 people with surnames beginning with the
letters "F" but mostly "G." The original list is in
alphabetical order but only as far as the first letter, so
the missing surnames can be any starting with these letters.

The database contains a few other obvious errors which are
present in the original list. These were not corrected, but
noted in a column added to the file.

This list is now searchbale on the Jewish Records
Indexing-Poland website.

This information is accessible to you today thanks to the
efforts of two volunteers who helped prepare it for the
internet. The 137-page document was scanned by Hadassah
Lipsius. Logan Kleinwaks then took the scans and translated
them into type-written text using Optical Character
Recognition (OCR) technology. He then manually corrected any
obvious errors.

Thanks to Jewish Records Indexing-Poland for providing the
database expertise to make this information accessible and
to JewishGen Inc. for providing the website.

Happy Chanukah!!

Roni

(Mrs. Roni Seibel Liebowitz)
Scarsdale, New York
Lodz ShtetLinks
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Lodz/index.htm
Lodz Area Research Group (LARG)
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Lodz/LARG.htm
Belchatow ShtetLink
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/belchatow/
Belchatow Shtetl CO-OP, Jewish Records Indexing- Poland,
http://www.jri-Poland.org/belchatow.htm
Belchatow Yizkor Book Project
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/Belchatow/Belchatow.html
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Listing of Belchatow, Poland Jews Pre-1940 #general

Roni S. Liebowitz
 

In August 1992, on the 50th Anniversary of the Liquidation
of the Jewish Ghetto in Belchatow, representatives of Jewish
Belchatower Societies, led by Menachem Sharon, former
secretary of the Israeli embassy in Warsaw and now chairman
of the Belchatower Society in Israel, with the support of
the mayor of Belchatow, erected a memorial monument made
from parts of broken gravestones in a public park on the
site of the former Jewish cemetery. [See photos at
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Belchatow/gravestones.ht
m ]. To see photos of the 1992 ceremony, go to
http://www.jri-poland.org/belchatow_memorial.htm

At the ceremony, Menachem Sharon was presented a 137-page
document listing all the Jews who lived in Belchatow as of
1939 along with their dates of birth (very few do not have
the dates included). This effort was led by the late Mr.
Boguslaw Dziedzic, Director of the Regional Museum in
Belchatow and the President of the Association of the
Friends of Belchatow. The list which contains the names of
over 6,000 Jews was compiled mostly >from the Belchatow Book
of Residents but may have also been added to >from vital
records and recollections of neighbors. Several of the names
appear more than once on the original list, probably because
people were listed a few times in the Book of Residents.
Sometimes a person is listed twice on the database but with
dates of birth that differ by one number. Possibly a
different date was reported depending upon who gave the
information at the time the Book of Residents was compiled.
The database reflects these inconsistencies.

Mr. Sharon presented this document to me in July 2004. Of
the 137 pages, one page (number 32) is missing. This would
contain up to 52 people with surnames beginning with the
letters "F" but mostly "G." The original list is in
alphabetical order but only as far as the first letter, so
the missing surnames can be any starting with these letters.

The database contains a few other obvious errors which are
present in the original list. These were not corrected, but
noted in a column added to the file.

This list is now searchbale on the Jewish Records
Indexing-Poland website.

This information is accessible to you today thanks to the
efforts of two volunteers who helped prepare it for the
internet. The 137-page document was scanned by Hadassah
Lipsius. Logan Kleinwaks then took the scans and translated
them into type-written text using Optical Character
Recognition (OCR) technology. He then manually corrected any
obvious errors.

Thanks to Jewish Records Indexing-Poland for providing the
database expertise to make this information accessible and
to JewishGen Inc. for providing the website.

Happy Chanukah!!

Roni

(Mrs. Roni Seibel Liebowitz)
Scarsdale, New York
Lodz ShtetLinks
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Lodz/index.htm
Lodz Area Research Group (LARG)
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Lodz/LARG.htm
Belchatow ShtetLink
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/belchatow/
Belchatow Shtetl CO-OP, Jewish Records Indexing- Poland,
http://www.jri-Poland.org/belchatow.htm
Belchatow Yizkor Book Project
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/Belchatow/Belchatow.html
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