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Vital records in Sweden #general

eve.line.blum@...
 

Does anybody knows how to obtain birth and death certificates in
Sweden ? Thanks in advance for any help.
--
Eve Line Blum-Cherchevsky
Besancon (France)
http://www.convoi73.org and also
Cercle de Genealogie Juive (International JGS in Paris)
http://www.genealoj.org


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Vital records in Sweden #general

eve.line.blum@...
 

Does anybody knows how to obtain birth and death certificates in
Sweden ? Thanks in advance for any help.
--
Eve Line Blum-Cherchevsky
Besancon (France)
http://www.convoi73.org and also
Cercle de Genealogie Juive (International JGS in Paris)
http://www.genealoj.org


Re: The origin of the POLONSKY surname & then some re name origins #general

roe kard
 

According to world-class historian of Poland and Polish Jewry,
Professor Antony POLONSKY, Founder and Editor-in-Chief of "Polin" (among
the innumerable achievements attached to his name), it needs to be
remembered that the name POLONSKY was also a name used by Polish
Nobles and others e.g. the famous Russian writer and librettist for
Rimsky-Korsakov and Tchaikowsky was Jacob Petrovich Polonsky. The
story in his POLONSKY family was that back when his ancestors were
choosing a name, they chose the name of a local nobleman.

Maybe it's like the old Chassidic story of the congregation who could
not solve the problem of the division within the community between
those who stood for the Shma prayer and those who sat. Finally, when a
great Rabbi came to visit the town they decided to let him solve the
problem.

Half the congregation said: "We believe you are supposed to stand when
you recite the Shma."

"You're right!" the great Rebbe said.

"But we believe you are supposed to sit during the recitation," the
other half of the congregation cried out and forthwith made their case
to the Rebbe.

"You're right!!" the Rebbe said.

"But how can we be right and they be right," everyone cried out.

"And you're right too!!" the Rebbe said to all of them.

Like that. I have found Beider to be "wrong" in terms of the name
ROKART and I have 220 year old documentation to prove it and Wunder as
well. And "they're right too!!"

As my grandmother would have said, something like: "Ver vais?" ("Who
really knows?")

Karen Rosenfeld Roekard
aka Gitel Chaye Eta Rosenfeld Rokart


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: The origin of the POLONSKY surname & then some re name origins #general

roe kard
 

According to world-class historian of Poland and Polish Jewry,
Professor Antony POLONSKY, Founder and Editor-in-Chief of "Polin" (among
the innumerable achievements attached to his name), it needs to be
remembered that the name POLONSKY was also a name used by Polish
Nobles and others e.g. the famous Russian writer and librettist for
Rimsky-Korsakov and Tchaikowsky was Jacob Petrovich Polonsky. The
story in his POLONSKY family was that back when his ancestors were
choosing a name, they chose the name of a local nobleman.

Maybe it's like the old Chassidic story of the congregation who could
not solve the problem of the division within the community between
those who stood for the Shma prayer and those who sat. Finally, when a
great Rabbi came to visit the town they decided to let him solve the
problem.

Half the congregation said: "We believe you are supposed to stand when
you recite the Shma."

"You're right!" the great Rebbe said.

"But we believe you are supposed to sit during the recitation," the
other half of the congregation cried out and forthwith made their case
to the Rebbe.

"You're right!!" the Rebbe said.

"But how can we be right and they be right," everyone cried out.

"And you're right too!!" the Rebbe said to all of them.

Like that. I have found Beider to be "wrong" in terms of the name
ROKART and I have 220 year old documentation to prove it and Wunder as
well. And "they're right too!!"

As my grandmother would have said, something like: "Ver vais?" ("Who
really knows?")

Karen Rosenfeld Roekard
aka Gitel Chaye Eta Rosenfeld Rokart


Searching for HACKER (CHECKER, SUCKER), from Lipsko near Radom #general

lami@...
 

* Who: family of Abram and Pessy (nee ROSENBERG) HACKER Both born 1880.

* Where: >from Lipsko, near Radom. Emigrated to Toronto.

* When: 1912 - 1926

* What I want to know:
* the addresses of the public records office and property records office
responsible for Lipsko near Radom for records in the early part of last
century, or any other way I can trace the family hoe as I am going there
this summer.
* Is there anyone who has done any family searches of Lipsko? If so, has
anyone come across information about the above family?
* Does anyone have an old map of Lipsko?
Many thanks
Lami Mulvey
Edinburgh Scotland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching for HACKER (CHECKER, SUCKER), from Lipsko near Radom #general

lami@...
 

* Who: family of Abram and Pessy (nee ROSENBERG) HACKER Both born 1880.

* Where: >from Lipsko, near Radom. Emigrated to Toronto.

* When: 1912 - 1926

* What I want to know:
* the addresses of the public records office and property records office
responsible for Lipsko near Radom for records in the early part of last
century, or any other way I can trace the family hoe as I am going there
this summer.
* Is there anyone who has done any family searches of Lipsko? If so, has
anyone come across information about the above family?
* Does anyone have an old map of Lipsko?
Many thanks
Lami Mulvey
Edinburgh Scotland


Re: Finding relatives in Israel (Mea Shearim)? #general

macsta@...
 

Shalom,

Lauren Shulsky Orenstein asked about trying to find her LAUB relatives >from
Mea Shearim neighborhood in Jerusalem. The made their aliya after WWI.
--->
It is possible to find traces in the aliya records held at the Central
Zionist Archives (CZA) located in Jerusalem. Go to their site at:
http://www.zionistarchives.org.il/ZA/pMainE.aspx
and write them through their contact. Nevertheless, a great majority of the
very orthodox population of Mea Shearim refused to be included in any
population census, especially those conducted by the "Zionists". This is why
I am somehow pessimistic if these LAUB are included in the 1939 Census of
Jerusalem population also held at the CZA. Of course a try doesn't cost.

As a general remark, when looking for Israel resources, one should first
visit the site of the Israel Genealogical Society at:
www.isragen.org.il . Among others, it includes databases >from the Ottoman
period as well as >from the British Mandate.

Good luck!

Mathilde Tagger
Jerusalem


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Finding relatives in Israel (Mea Shearim)? #general

macsta@...
 

Shalom,

Lauren Shulsky Orenstein asked about trying to find her LAUB relatives >from
Mea Shearim neighborhood in Jerusalem. The made their aliya after WWI.
--->
It is possible to find traces in the aliya records held at the Central
Zionist Archives (CZA) located in Jerusalem. Go to their site at:
http://www.zionistarchives.org.il/ZA/pMainE.aspx
and write them through their contact. Nevertheless, a great majority of the
very orthodox population of Mea Shearim refused to be included in any
population census, especially those conducted by the "Zionists". This is why
I am somehow pessimistic if these LAUB are included in the 1939 Census of
Jerusalem population also held at the CZA. Of course a try doesn't cost.

As a general remark, when looking for Israel resources, one should first
visit the site of the Israel Genealogical Society at:
www.isragen.org.il . Among others, it includes databases >from the Ottoman
period as well as >from the British Mandate.

Good luck!

Mathilde Tagger
Jerusalem


IKG Vienna, tombstone photographs and other matters #austria-czech

celiamale@...
 

Please be fair on the IKG Matrikenamt, Vienna and its hard-working
miniscule staff of 1 or 2. As we were always told, this is not a
genealogical bureau but its primary purpose is really to provide bmd
certificates for the members of the Jewish community, Vienna.
Everything else is a bonus. Personal criticism is not the correct way to
go about this. It is unbecoming of our SIG.

re Paul Freudman's request - the IKG does not concern itself with tombstone
photos - I know at least two or three people who will soon reply to the plea.

Now as we are all so grouchy - here are my grouses. I notice that SIG
members are capitalising the wrong words - ***family names only*** should
be capitalised. Also new members should remember not to press the return
button to send a posting - if they do, they get an absolutely *useless*
subject line like re: Austria-Czech Digest of 5 May 2009. Subject lines
should be useful for research purposes. Luckily, no-one has written
"seperate" or "cemetary" today, or I would scream.

May I in turn suggest that whilst you are all waiting for replies >from the
IKG, Vienna you send us some interesting research-based postings - there
is so much to report on, if one keeps ones eyes open. We have at least 1,081
members - we hear so little >from most of them. Why?

Celia Male - London, U.K.


Two lists found of refugees in Palestine 1940 #general

Paul Silverstone
 

I recently spent some time looking through British government papers at
the British Archives in Kew. I have two lists of interest >from the
Foreign Office files.

One is a list of 72 Polish Jews detained at Athlit Camp in Palestine,
dated 29 May 1940. These people crossed the Polish-Romanian border
between 17-19 Sep 1939 and made their way to Palestine. The letter
from the Polish Embassy says they have been detained at Athlit for over
three months. This list gives only names, mostly men.

The second one lists 20 persons who arrived in Palestine on the s.s.
Sakarya , dated 19 Sep 1940 , taken >from a letter by the High Commissioner
to the Colonial Secretary. This list gives nationality, passport
number and date of issuance of a Liberian visa.

--
Paul Silverstone
New York

Please reply to: paulh@aya.yale.edu


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech IKG Vienna, tombstone photographs and other matters #austria-czech

celiamale@...
 

Please be fair on the IKG Matrikenamt, Vienna and its hard-working
miniscule staff of 1 or 2. As we were always told, this is not a
genealogical bureau but its primary purpose is really to provide bmd
certificates for the members of the Jewish community, Vienna.
Everything else is a bonus. Personal criticism is not the correct way to
go about this. It is unbecoming of our SIG.

re Paul Freudman's request - the IKG does not concern itself with tombstone
photos - I know at least two or three people who will soon reply to the plea.

Now as we are all so grouchy - here are my grouses. I notice that SIG
members are capitalising the wrong words - ***family names only*** should
be capitalised. Also new members should remember not to press the return
button to send a posting - if they do, they get an absolutely *useless*
subject line like re: Austria-Czech Digest of 5 May 2009. Subject lines
should be useful for research purposes. Luckily, no-one has written
"seperate" or "cemetary" today, or I would scream.

May I in turn suggest that whilst you are all waiting for replies >from the
IKG, Vienna you send us some interesting research-based postings - there
is so much to report on, if one keeps ones eyes open. We have at least 1,081
members - we hear so little >from most of them. Why?

Celia Male - London, U.K.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Two lists found of refugees in Palestine 1940 #general

Paul Silverstone
 

I recently spent some time looking through British government papers at
the British Archives in Kew. I have two lists of interest >from the
Foreign Office files.

One is a list of 72 Polish Jews detained at Athlit Camp in Palestine,
dated 29 May 1940. These people crossed the Polish-Romanian border
between 17-19 Sep 1939 and made their way to Palestine. The letter
from the Polish Embassy says they have been detained at Athlit for over
three months. This list gives only names, mostly men.

The second one lists 20 persons who arrived in Palestine on the s.s.
Sakarya , dated 19 Sep 1940 , taken >from a letter by the High Commissioner
to the Colonial Secretary. This list gives nationality, passport
number and date of issuance of a Liberian visa.

--
Paul Silverstone
New York

Please reply to: paulh@aya.yale.edu


Rabbi Myer BURDE #rabbinic

rachel.poole3@...
 

Hello

Does anyone know anything about Rabbi Myer BURDE >from Svsloch. Approximate
birth would have been approx 1800. I have been given a family tree which
links to my own and this shows several children the oldest being Joseph c
1820 - c1910
In the late 1800's much of the family emigrated to the UK in particularly
Liverpool.
Any information on Rabbi Burde, his ancestors or descendents would be much
appreciated.

Regards

Rachel Poole
UK
Rachel.poole3@ntlworld.com


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Rabbi Myer BURDE #rabbinic

rachel.poole3@...
 

Hello

Does anyone know anything about Rabbi Myer BURDE >from Svsloch. Approximate
birth would have been approx 1800. I have been given a family tree which
links to my own and this shows several children the oldest being Joseph c
1820 - c1910
In the late 1800's much of the family emigrated to the UK in particularly
Liverpool.
Any information on Rabbi Burde, his ancestors or descendents would be much
appreciated.

Regards

Rachel Poole
UK
Rachel.poole3@ntlworld.com


Re: AHONA in Spain (Follow-up) #sephardic

Judy Simon
 

The results of a Y-DNA test can be genealogical too when 37 or 67
markers are tested. For example, if your ex-husband's relative's J2
results matched an Ashkenazi Jewish male on roughly 80% to 90% of the
markers, we can be reasonably sure that the paternal ancestors of the
Ashkenazi male were Sephardic. By tracing back >from the Ashkenazi
relative and forward >from the Sephardic match, it may be possible to
connect the two lines.

Judy Simon, NY
researching: BROZGOL >from Rezekne, Latvia and Navarra and Barcelona,
Spain; KAPELUSHNIK, BAILENSON, SKUTELSKY, RAPOPORT >from Rezekne,
Latvia; LEFKOWITZ >from Skierniewice, Poland; KELMER, MEZELSOR,
OLSTEIN, AKERMAN >from the Lodz area, Poland

My attempts to contact members of the family were successful, as was
my request that they do a Y-dna test. Result of the test: They are
of the haplogroup J2, origin: the Fertile Crescent! Just a reminder
not to rule out dna in family searches, although of course the results
are more anthropological than genealogical.
Judith Berlowitz
Oakland, CA


Sephardic SIG #Sephardim re: AHONA in Spain (Follow-up) #sephardic

Judy Simon
 

The results of a Y-DNA test can be genealogical too when 37 or 67
markers are tested. For example, if your ex-husband's relative's J2
results matched an Ashkenazi Jewish male on roughly 80% to 90% of the
markers, we can be reasonably sure that the paternal ancestors of the
Ashkenazi male were Sephardic. By tracing back >from the Ashkenazi
relative and forward >from the Sephardic match, it may be possible to
connect the two lines.

Judy Simon, NY
researching: BROZGOL >from Rezekne, Latvia and Navarra and Barcelona,
Spain; KAPELUSHNIK, BAILENSON, SKUTELSKY, RAPOPORT >from Rezekne,
Latvia; LEFKOWITZ >from Skierniewice, Poland; KELMER, MEZELSOR,
OLSTEIN, AKERMAN >from the Lodz area, Poland

My attempts to contact members of the family were successful, as was
my request that they do a Y-dna test. Result of the test: They are
of the haplogroup J2, origin: the Fertile Crescent! Just a reminder
not to rule out dna in family searches, although of course the results
are more anthropological than genealogical.
Judith Berlowitz
Oakland, CA


Help with ancestor's given name #ukraine

bettyross1@...
 

Hi Genners:

When my grandfather, Harris HOROWITZ, died in Hartford CT in 1905, his son,
as a witness, listed Harris's father -- my g-grandfather -- as Shorchnor
Horowitz. Am I correct in assuming that the name was really Shakna or
Shakno, as listed in Boris Feldblyum's book Russian-Jewish Given Names?
Or would it be something else, like Shakhman? Since I don't know Russian
and want to be as accurate as possible, can anyone tell me what the
patronymic would be for my g-grandfather's sons and daughters?

Also, does anyone know the approximate cost of steerage passage >from
Europe to New York City around 1900? Were immigrants required to have
a certain amount of money with them when they arrived, so as not to
become a public burden?

Thank you in advance for any information you can provide.

Betty Ross
Bethesda, MD, USA


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Help with ancestor's given name #ukraine

bettyross1@...
 

Hi Genners:

When my grandfather, Harris HOROWITZ, died in Hartford CT in 1905, his son,
as a witness, listed Harris's father -- my g-grandfather -- as Shorchnor
Horowitz. Am I correct in assuming that the name was really Shakna or
Shakno, as listed in Boris Feldblyum's book Russian-Jewish Given Names?
Or would it be something else, like Shakhman? Since I don't know Russian
and want to be as accurate as possible, can anyone tell me what the
patronymic would be for my g-grandfather's sons and daughters?

Also, does anyone know the approximate cost of steerage passage >from
Europe to New York City around 1900? Were immigrants required to have
a certain amount of money with them when they arrived, so as not to
become a public burden?

Thank you in advance for any information you can provide.

Betty Ross
Bethesda, MD, USA


Re: Contact with IKG Wien #austria-czech

Thomas F. Weiss
 

Hi Sherry,

I feel your pain. I made a request for information on July 16, 2008
that has not yet been acknowledged. I have found Wolf-Erich Eckstein
to be very helpful when you work with him at the IKG in Vienna, but I
have also found him to be unresponsive to email requests. I suppose
he is just too busy. My best advice is to go to Vienna, have a Wiener
schnitzel and go to the IKG! Be sure to make an appointment before
you go and avoid the tourist season if at all possible.


Tom Weiss
Newton, MA
tfweiss@mit.edu


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: Contact with IKG Wien #austria-czech

Thomas F. Weiss
 

Hi Sherry,

I feel your pain. I made a request for information on July 16, 2008
that has not yet been acknowledged. I have found Wolf-Erich Eckstein
to be very helpful when you work with him at the IKG in Vienna, but I
have also found him to be unresponsive to email requests. I suppose
he is just too busy. My best advice is to go to Vienna, have a Wiener
schnitzel and go to the IKG! Be sure to make an appointment before
you go and avoid the tourist season if at all possible.


Tom Weiss
Newton, MA
tfweiss@mit.edu