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Re: Introduction - OFNER, ZENKER, FISCHL #austria-czech

David & Diana Laufer <dlaufer@...>
 

In Sue Isman's introductory posting she mentioned that her great-great- great
grandmother's maiden name was FISCHL.

You may have noted that in my initial posting on the KLEPPERLE name, referring
to the View Mate image number 6526
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6526, that
Francisca KLPPERLE's mother was Sara FISCHEL.

Whether or not this Sara >from Hermanuv Mesto is related to your ancestor I
cannot tell. This surname or variations of it are probably very common.

Maybe a connection could be established one day.

regards

David Laufer
Sydney, Australia


Re: Klepperle / Klepplerer #austria-czech

David & Diana Laufer <dlaufer@...>
 

Once again I thank Celia Male for her assistance with my research.

KLEPPER does not even appear in my German -English dictionary, but then neither
does knacker appear in the English - German section of that dictionary.
So the translation of this word (an old horse) is appreciated. Whether it is
an occupational name or a nickname is unknown to me. I was very tempted to
joke about used horse dealers, but resisted that temptation.

If he was a knacker, perhaps he worked in close cooperation with a leather
merchant. Were there any LEDERERs in Hermanuv Mesto ?

In response to my previous posting in which I raised several questions, I
received several replies to one of these namely the meaning of Posamentierer.
In summary this occupation is a maker of lace and other trimmings used in
clothing and upholstery

Regards

David Laufer
Sydney.


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: Introduction - OFNER, ZENKER, FISCHL #austria-czech

David & Diana Laufer <dlaufer@...>
 

In Sue Isman's introductory posting she mentioned that her great-great- great
grandmother's maiden name was FISCHL.

You may have noted that in my initial posting on the KLEPPERLE name, referring
to the View Mate image number 6526
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6526, that
Francisca KLPPERLE's mother was Sara FISCHEL.

Whether or not this Sara >from Hermanuv Mesto is related to your ancestor I
cannot tell. This surname or variations of it are probably very common.

Maybe a connection could be established one day.

regards

David Laufer
Sydney, Australia


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech RE: Klepperle / Klepplerer #austria-czech

David & Diana Laufer <dlaufer@...>
 

Once again I thank Celia Male for her assistance with my research.

KLEPPER does not even appear in my German -English dictionary, but then neither
does knacker appear in the English - German section of that dictionary.
So the translation of this word (an old horse) is appreciated. Whether it is
an occupational name or a nickname is unknown to me. I was very tempted to
joke about used horse dealers, but resisted that temptation.

If he was a knacker, perhaps he worked in close cooperation with a leather
merchant. Were there any LEDERERs in Hermanuv Mesto ?

In response to my previous posting in which I raised several questions, I
received several replies to one of these namely the meaning of Posamentierer.
In summary this occupation is a maker of lace and other trimmings used in
clothing and upholstery

Regards

David Laufer
Sydney.


Update on HAHN family #austria-czech

Meriam Haringman <meriamharingman@...>
 

I have been doing genealogy for over 20 years but I am happy to relate what
I have on my roots in Bohemia. My cousins Pierre and Roger HAHN and I are
researching together the HAHN family >from Neugedein. We have been able to
get back to Michael and Katarina HAHN. Michael HAHN died on 24/05/1802 in
Kouty, Czechoslovakia. They were married in 1769 in Kouty. They had seven
children and I only have data on the first-born my ancestor Jonathan HAHN
who was born about 1770 in Kouty, Czechoslovakia and died on 22 08 1831. His
siblings were: Simon, David, Juda, Joseph, Lebl and Lazar. I am still
looking for data on these siblings.

I am also stuck with the children of Jonathan HAHN and Catharina SCHWARZ who
married on 20 07 1798 in Kouty. Here too I only have the descendants of the
first-born, Ruben HAHN born 1800 in Neugedein and died 29 01 1862 in
Neugedein . The siblings of Ruben are:

Leopold, Joseph, Michael and Israel. Here too I would love to fill in the
holes.

Recently I had contact with a Tom HAHN who was born in Rakospolata,
(Budapest) Hungary and claims his roots are in Bohemia but can't trace them
back.

In addition to this family I am also researching the following families:

BARNETT = ZWEIGBAUM >from Tresboli, Poland and migrating to London, England
in 1850

BANETH >from Praag, Stampi, Nikkolsberg and >from 19th century Germany,
England, US and Israel.It is a Rabbinic family.

GOITEIN >from Kojetein (thus the name), Hogyesz, Hungary and >from 19th
century Germany, England and Israel.It is a Rabbinic family.

HECHT >from Durkheim, Gemany and >from 19th century France, England and US

WALK >from Vilna, Lithuania and >from 19th century to Germany, England, US and
Israel

VAN FRANK, FURTH, HARING, HARINGMAN, KROONENBERG, SLAP, VERDONER, WAAS,
WILLING all >from Amsterdam, Holland going back to 17th and 18th centuries.

Meriam Haringman nee Goitein
Jerusalem, Israel

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Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Update on HAHN family #austria-czech

Meriam Haringman <meriamharingman@...>
 

I have been doing genealogy for over 20 years but I am happy to relate what
I have on my roots in Bohemia. My cousins Pierre and Roger HAHN and I are
researching together the HAHN family >from Neugedein. We have been able to
get back to Michael and Katarina HAHN. Michael HAHN died on 24/05/1802 in
Kouty, Czechoslovakia. They were married in 1769 in Kouty. They had seven
children and I only have data on the first-born my ancestor Jonathan HAHN
who was born about 1770 in Kouty, Czechoslovakia and died on 22 08 1831. His
siblings were: Simon, David, Juda, Joseph, Lebl and Lazar. I am still
looking for data on these siblings.

I am also stuck with the children of Jonathan HAHN and Catharina SCHWARZ who
married on 20 07 1798 in Kouty. Here too I only have the descendants of the
first-born, Ruben HAHN born 1800 in Neugedein and died 29 01 1862 in
Neugedein . The siblings of Ruben are:

Leopold, Joseph, Michael and Israel. Here too I would love to fill in the
holes.

Recently I had contact with a Tom HAHN who was born in Rakospolata,
(Budapest) Hungary and claims his roots are in Bohemia but can't trace them
back.

In addition to this family I am also researching the following families:

BARNETT = ZWEIGBAUM >from Tresboli, Poland and migrating to London, England
in 1850

BANETH >from Praag, Stampi, Nikkolsberg and >from 19th century Germany,
England, US and Israel.It is a Rabbinic family.

GOITEIN >from Kojetein (thus the name), Hogyesz, Hungary and >from 19th
century Germany, England and Israel.It is a Rabbinic family.

HECHT >from Durkheim, Gemany and >from 19th century France, England and US

WALK >from Vilna, Lithuania and >from 19th century to Germany, England, US and
Israel

VAN FRANK, FURTH, HARING, HARINGMAN, KROONENBERG, SLAP, VERDONER, WAAS,
WILLING all >from Amsterdam, Holland going back to 17th and 18th centuries.

Meriam Haringman nee Goitein
Jerusalem, Israel

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"Nakhalat Jehoshua" - 18th century work #rabbinic

sfalk81162@...
 

I am trying to find information about the work "Nakhalat Jehoshua",
an 18th century rabbinic work by R. Isaak Eisik ben Jehoshua
(d.1791, Breslau, Silesia). This work is mentioned in the
gravestone inscription of his son R. Jehoshua Falk ben Isaak Eisik
(ca.1749-1807, Breslau, Silesia) when referring to his father.

The son R. Jehoshua Falk is the author of "Binjan Jehoshua" (1788,
Dyherrnfurth) which I have managed to track down.

I'm hoping that "Nakhalat Jehoshua" contains some family information
in the introduction, but I have not been able to find this work in
any of the library catalogues that I have searched. Ultimately, my
research is directed to determining whether the son R. Jehoshua Falk
is the father of my great great grandfather R. Jacob Jehuda Loebel
FALK (ca.1767-1838, Breslau).

Any leads would be most appreciated.

Best regards,
Stephen T. Falk
Wayne, PA, USA
sfalk81162@aol.com


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic "Nakhalat Jehoshua" - 18th century work #rabbinic

sfalk81162@...
 

I am trying to find information about the work "Nakhalat Jehoshua",
an 18th century rabbinic work by R. Isaak Eisik ben Jehoshua
(d.1791, Breslau, Silesia). This work is mentioned in the
gravestone inscription of his son R. Jehoshua Falk ben Isaak Eisik
(ca.1749-1807, Breslau, Silesia) when referring to his father.

The son R. Jehoshua Falk is the author of "Binjan Jehoshua" (1788,
Dyherrnfurth) which I have managed to track down.

I'm hoping that "Nakhalat Jehoshua" contains some family information
in the introduction, but I have not been able to find this work in
any of the library catalogues that I have searched. Ultimately, my
research is directed to determining whether the son R. Jehoshua Falk
is the father of my great great grandfather R. Jacob Jehuda Loebel
FALK (ca.1767-1838, Breslau).

Any leads would be most appreciated.

Best regards,
Stephen T. Falk
Wayne, PA, USA
sfalk81162@aol.com


Maxmilian GRAB #austria-czech

Hans Peter Grab <hpgrab@...>
 

Dear SIGers,

I search descendants >from Maxmilian GRAB, son of Friedrich GRAB and of
Karoline/Katharina, nee JOCKEL, b. Aug 5, 1870 in Prague and >from his
brothers.

Maxmilian arrived in USA 1892 (see EllisIslandRecords) and received US
citizenship 1901 in New York. The last address (1907) what I know was 38
East, 21 Street, New York.

Maximilians brother Victor GRAB, b. Jan 19, 1876 in Prague arrived in USA
1895 (see EllisIslandRecords).

Maximilians brother Rudolf GRAB, b. Aug 27, 1879 in Prague arrived in USA
1907 (see EllisIslandRecords).

Thanks in advance for every research help.

Hanus Grab


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Maxmilian GRAB #austria-czech

Hans Peter Grab <hpgrab@...>
 

Dear SIGers,

I search descendants >from Maxmilian GRAB, son of Friedrich GRAB and of
Karoline/Katharina, nee JOCKEL, b. Aug 5, 1870 in Prague and >from his
brothers.

Maxmilian arrived in USA 1892 (see EllisIslandRecords) and received US
citizenship 1901 in New York. The last address (1907) what I know was 38
East, 21 Street, New York.

Maximilians brother Victor GRAB, b. Jan 19, 1876 in Prague arrived in USA
1895 (see EllisIslandRecords).

Maximilians brother Rudolf GRAB, b. Aug 27, 1879 in Prague arrived in USA
1907 (see EllisIslandRecords).

Thanks in advance for every research help.

Hanus Grab


THIEBEN, ABELES,LEDERER, KOHNER, KLAUBER, BONDY, SINEK, FLUSS, STIEDRY #austria-czech

Harvey Finberg <hjfinberg@...>
 

To introduce myself, I am Vera Finberg >from Fairfax, Virginia,
USA. I've been interested in genealogy since I was 8 years old and
my mother drew a family tree. I did some genealogy in the 1960's and
then dropped it to raise two children. In the early 1990's, I
discovered the joys of computer genealogy programs and have been
active ever since.

My mother's family all comes >from Bohemia. On her maternal side,
Mendel THIEBEN, my 5th ggrandfather, and his wife Anna FLUSSER are
listed in the 1793 census for the Slabce estate in the village of
Svinarov. My gggrandfather, Viktor (1825-1915) had a farm in Rousinov
(Rausinov), 3 km away. Viktor first married Sophie ABELES >from
Luchovice, daughter of Jacob ABELES and Katherine LEDERER of
Busovice. They had 5 children including my ggrandfather Heinrich
(1856-1942). After Sophie's death (abt 1870), he married Emilie
LOWENSTEIN (probably >from Tuschkau (Mesto Touskov or Kozolupy). They
moved to Austria where several children were born in villages near
Bruck a.d. Leitha. He then moved to Buscu in the Burgenland (now in
Hungary). I have now found two of Sophie's siblings in the Vienna
marriages for the 1870's, so Viktor may have migrated with kin. My
ggrandfather, Heinrich, married Marie KOHNER (1864-1931) born in
Budapest, daughter of Pauline KLAUBER and Ludwig (Lajos) KOHNER both
from Neumark (Vseruby)). Ludwig must have been related to the
Zsigmund Kohner, the Hungarian banker, as he was a witness to the
birth of a child to Zsigmund's brother. The family moved to Vienna
and Budapest in the late 1800's and many survived. I was fortunate to
obtain a family tree that was probably drawn to meet Hungarian Nazi
requirements.

My mother's paternal family, BONDY, comes >from Lipnice/Dolni Mesto,
near Humpolec. My gggrandfather, Simon Bondy married Sara SINEK
(SYNEK) >from Mlada Vozice. They lived in Votice for a while and then
moved to Dolni Mesto. Simon had no Familanten number and the civil
marriage is recorded in 1849. My ggrandfather, Lazar SYNEK
(1833-1906), married Karoline FLUSS(1845-1932) >from Pribyslau. Her
parents, David FLUSS and Elizabeth STIEDRY were >from Goltsch-Jenikau.
The family moved to Vienna about 1875 and Lazar officially took the
name BONDY in 1905. Vienna (wills, probate documents, birth,
marriages death and military records have been instrumental in
learning about the family. I have written a book about my BONDY
family, which is not so far related to several other Bondy families.

Vera Finberg
Fairfax, Virginia, USA
THIEBEN, - Svinarov, Rousinov, Budapest
ABELES - Luchovice
LEDERER - Busovice
KOHNER, KLAUBER - Vseruby, Budapest, Vienna
BONDY, - Lipnice/Dolni Mesto, Vienna
SINEK - Mlada Vozice, FLUSS - Pribyslau, STIEDRY - Goltsch-Jenikau


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech THIEBEN, ABELES,LEDERER, KOHNER, KLAUBER, BONDY, SINEK, FLUSS, STIEDRY #austria-czech

Harvey Finberg <hjfinberg@...>
 

To introduce myself, I am Vera Finberg >from Fairfax, Virginia,
USA. I've been interested in genealogy since I was 8 years old and
my mother drew a family tree. I did some genealogy in the 1960's and
then dropped it to raise two children. In the early 1990's, I
discovered the joys of computer genealogy programs and have been
active ever since.

My mother's family all comes >from Bohemia. On her maternal side,
Mendel THIEBEN, my 5th ggrandfather, and his wife Anna FLUSSER are
listed in the 1793 census for the Slabce estate in the village of
Svinarov. My gggrandfather, Viktor (1825-1915) had a farm in Rousinov
(Rausinov), 3 km away. Viktor first married Sophie ABELES >from
Luchovice, daughter of Jacob ABELES and Katherine LEDERER of
Busovice. They had 5 children including my ggrandfather Heinrich
(1856-1942). After Sophie's death (abt 1870), he married Emilie
LOWENSTEIN (probably >from Tuschkau (Mesto Touskov or Kozolupy). They
moved to Austria where several children were born in villages near
Bruck a.d. Leitha. He then moved to Buscu in the Burgenland (now in
Hungary). I have now found two of Sophie's siblings in the Vienna
marriages for the 1870's, so Viktor may have migrated with kin. My
ggrandfather, Heinrich, married Marie KOHNER (1864-1931) born in
Budapest, daughter of Pauline KLAUBER and Ludwig (Lajos) KOHNER both
from Neumark (Vseruby)). Ludwig must have been related to the
Zsigmund Kohner, the Hungarian banker, as he was a witness to the
birth of a child to Zsigmund's brother. The family moved to Vienna
and Budapest in the late 1800's and many survived. I was fortunate to
obtain a family tree that was probably drawn to meet Hungarian Nazi
requirements.

My mother's paternal family, BONDY, comes >from Lipnice/Dolni Mesto,
near Humpolec. My gggrandfather, Simon Bondy married Sara SINEK
(SYNEK) >from Mlada Vozice. They lived in Votice for a while and then
moved to Dolni Mesto. Simon had no Familanten number and the civil
marriage is recorded in 1849. My ggrandfather, Lazar SYNEK
(1833-1906), married Karoline FLUSS(1845-1932) >from Pribyslau. Her
parents, David FLUSS and Elizabeth STIEDRY were >from Goltsch-Jenikau.
The family moved to Vienna about 1875 and Lazar officially took the
name BONDY in 1905. Vienna (wills, probate documents, birth,
marriages death and military records have been instrumental in
learning about the family. I have written a book about my BONDY
family, which is not so far related to several other Bondy families.

Vera Finberg
Fairfax, Virginia, USA
THIEBEN, - Svinarov, Rousinov, Budapest
ABELES - Luchovice
LEDERER - Busovice
KOHNER, KLAUBER - Vseruby, Budapest, Vienna
BONDY, - Lipnice/Dolni Mesto, Vienna
SINEK - Mlada Vozice, FLUSS - Pribyslau, STIEDRY - Goltsch-Jenikau


Introduction: ARZT in Vienna #austria-czech

Albert Braunstein <sbr@...>
 

I am researching my ARZT ancestors who were living in Vienna.
Shaje Moses ARZT was born in Jaroslaw and died in Vienna in 1936 aged 68
years.
He was married to Rosa Rechel Klepner.
I believe they moved to Vienna during the early 20th century.

Albert Braunstein
Melbourne, Australia


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Introduction: ARZT in Vienna #austria-czech

Albert Braunstein <sbr@...>
 

I am researching my ARZT ancestors who were living in Vienna.
Shaje Moses ARZT was born in Jaroslaw and died in Vienna in 1936 aged 68
years.
He was married to Rosa Rechel Klepner.
I believe they moved to Vienna during the early 20th century.

Albert Braunstein
Melbourne, Australia


Re: Salzburg synagogue #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Elisabeth Segal asks us about the fate of the synagogue in Salzburg.
First, thank you very much Elisabeth for your kind words about my research.

re the Salzburg synagogue; Read this chilling account:

Evan Burr Bukey. Hitler's Austria: Popular Sentiment in the Nazi Era
1938-1945. Chapel Hill, North Carolina: University of North Carolina Press,
2000. xvi + 320 pp. Tables, maps, bibliography and index. $39.95 (cloth),
ISBN 0-8078-2516-6.

http://tinyurl.com/dsavg

.. a prelude to what would occur in Vienna and in Austria's provincial
cities during the Krystallnacht. ... November 9-10, a nightmare period not
easily matched in previous European history, include 267 synagogues
destroyed, 7500 businesses and homes devastated, 91 Jews murdered, and
26,000 Jews rounded up. True, "Outside [Vienna] so little Jewish property
remained to pillage or expropriate that the pogrom was limited by the
success of previous purges,"(p.144).

and in German here: http://www.ikg-salzburg.at

The Salzburg synagogue was destroyed and the cemetery was desecrated. The
"Gotteshaus" had to be sold to the Salzburg Police at a knockdown price of
20,000 Reichsmark. The money of course disappeared >from the bank account.

In 1968 the synagogue was reopened. You can also see pictures of the
original, the destroyed and both the exterior and interior of the restored
synagogue.

And you can read here:

http://www2.salzburg.info/sehenswertes_176.htm

that today, Salzburg’s Jewish Community consists of ca 100 people. The
synagogue at Lasserstrasse 8 is still the religious centre. Services are
held on all holidays as well as Friday nights and Saturday mornings:

Israelitische Kultusgemeinde Salzburg
Lasserstrasse 8
tel. 43/662/87 22 28
office@ikg-salzburg.at

Celia Male [U.K.]


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: Salzburg synagogue #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Elisabeth Segal asks us about the fate of the synagogue in Salzburg.
First, thank you very much Elisabeth for your kind words about my research.

re the Salzburg synagogue; Read this chilling account:

Evan Burr Bukey. Hitler's Austria: Popular Sentiment in the Nazi Era
1938-1945. Chapel Hill, North Carolina: University of North Carolina Press,
2000. xvi + 320 pp. Tables, maps, bibliography and index. $39.95 (cloth),
ISBN 0-8078-2516-6.

http://tinyurl.com/dsavg

.. a prelude to what would occur in Vienna and in Austria's provincial
cities during the Krystallnacht. ... November 9-10, a nightmare period not
easily matched in previous European history, include 267 synagogues
destroyed, 7500 businesses and homes devastated, 91 Jews murdered, and
26,000 Jews rounded up. True, "Outside [Vienna] so little Jewish property
remained to pillage or expropriate that the pogrom was limited by the
success of previous purges,"(p.144).

and in German here: http://www.ikg-salzburg.at

The Salzburg synagogue was destroyed and the cemetery was desecrated. The
"Gotteshaus" had to be sold to the Salzburg Police at a knockdown price of
20,000 Reichsmark. The money of course disappeared >from the bank account.

In 1968 the synagogue was reopened. You can also see pictures of the
original, the destroyed and both the exterior and interior of the restored
synagogue.

And you can read here:

http://www2.salzburg.info/sehenswertes_176.htm

that today, Salzburg’s Jewish Community consists of ca 100 people. The
synagogue at Lasserstrasse 8 is still the religious centre. Services are
held on all holidays as well as Friday nights and Saturday mornings:

Israelitische Kultusgemeinde Salzburg
Lasserstrasse 8
tel. 43/662/87 22 28
office@ikg-salzburg.at

Celia Male [U.K.]


Re: Were cousin marriages legal in NY in 1909? #general

Lisa Lepore <llepore@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Silverstone" <paulh2@rcn.com>

In 1921 my father's cousin married his niece. They could not do so in
NY as such marriages were illegal, so they went to Rhode Island.
Paul Silverstone
Hi Paul -

I thought RI was among the more restrictive states, so I was surprised
by your message. But, I went on a hunt and found the marriages
laws of RI at this site.
http://www.rilin.state.ri.us/Statutes/TITLE15/INDEX.HTM

TITLE 15
Domestic Relations
CHAPTER 15-1
Persons Eligible to Marry
SECTION 15-1-1

While the law does prohibit a man >from marrying his niece [see list
of prohibited marriages at site above] There is an exemption for
for any "marriages of kindred" allowed by Jewish religion in Section
15-1-4 of the Domestic Relations laws.

TITLE 15
Domestic Relations
CHAPTER 15-1
Persons Eligible to Marry
SECTION 15-1-4

15-1-4 Marriages of kindred allowed by Jewish religion. - The
provisions of 15-1-1 - 15-1-3 shall not extend to, or in any way
affect, any marriage which shall be solemnized among the Jewish
people, within the degrees of affinity or consanguinity allowed by
their religion.

I wasn't able to find out when this law was written, but it must have
been in place back in 1921.

Lisa


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Were cousin marriages legal in NY in 1909? #general

Lisa Lepore <llepore@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Silverstone" <paulh2@rcn.com>

In 1921 my father's cousin married his niece. They could not do so in
NY as such marriages were illegal, so they went to Rhode Island.
Paul Silverstone
Hi Paul -

I thought RI was among the more restrictive states, so I was surprised
by your message. But, I went on a hunt and found the marriages
laws of RI at this site.
http://www.rilin.state.ri.us/Statutes/TITLE15/INDEX.HTM

TITLE 15
Domestic Relations
CHAPTER 15-1
Persons Eligible to Marry
SECTION 15-1-1

While the law does prohibit a man >from marrying his niece [see list
of prohibited marriages at site above] There is an exemption for
for any "marriages of kindred" allowed by Jewish religion in Section
15-1-4 of the Domestic Relations laws.

TITLE 15
Domestic Relations
CHAPTER 15-1
Persons Eligible to Marry
SECTION 15-1-4

15-1-4 Marriages of kindred allowed by Jewish religion. - The
provisions of 15-1-1 - 15-1-3 shall not extend to, or in any way
affect, any marriage which shall be solemnized among the Jewish
people, within the degrees of affinity or consanguinity allowed by
their religion.

I wasn't able to find out when this law was written, but it must have
been in place back in 1921.

Lisa


Re: Good family tree site #southafrica

Gary Blumsohn
 

The Krotman site is highly problematic, for a number of reasons, both
practical and ethical. Here are a couple (not an exhaustive list) of
issues:

1) Data that I put together was forwarded to the site-owner by someone to
whom I had sent a copy of the tree that I put together. The information was
then put on the web, with a number of errors. There are thus known errors
in the information on the web -- information found there cannot be trusted.
When I pointed this out to the site-owner, he offered to correct the errors,
but since the information was sent without my permission, and added to the
site without my permission, I have no intention of sending a list of
corrections. Suffice it to say that if the data isn't being checked as it's
put in (and if the site owner isn't keeping track of which information comes
from what source - as he claimed when I asked who had submitted the data),
there's a real problem.

2) People's personal information is being added to the site without their
permission. I asked to have my name deleted >from the website a couple of
months ago. It has not been done. I know that I am not the only one in
this situation. People living in the US and in Israel, where anti-semitism
is generally not something that we worry about daily, need to be aware that
Jews living in other countries may not be so fortunate, and may not want a
Google search of their name to turn up an extensive Jewish family tree.
Putting this sort of information on the web without the express permission
of at least those people who are living (and, by the way, the Krotman site
has some incorrect information about who is alive and who is not) may cause
unncessary problems for those involved.


Gary Blumsohn
West Orange, NJ
USA


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Re: Good family tree site #southafrica

Gary Blumsohn
 

The Krotman site is highly problematic, for a number of reasons, both
practical and ethical. Here are a couple (not an exhaustive list) of
issues:

1) Data that I put together was forwarded to the site-owner by someone to
whom I had sent a copy of the tree that I put together. The information was
then put on the web, with a number of errors. There are thus known errors
in the information on the web -- information found there cannot be trusted.
When I pointed this out to the site-owner, he offered to correct the errors,
but since the information was sent without my permission, and added to the
site without my permission, I have no intention of sending a list of
corrections. Suffice it to say that if the data isn't being checked as it's
put in (and if the site owner isn't keeping track of which information comes
from what source - as he claimed when I asked who had submitted the data),
there's a real problem.

2) People's personal information is being added to the site without their
permission. I asked to have my name deleted >from the website a couple of
months ago. It has not been done. I know that I am not the only one in
this situation. People living in the US and in Israel, where anti-semitism
is generally not something that we worry about daily, need to be aware that
Jews living in other countries may not be so fortunate, and may not want a
Google search of their name to turn up an extensive Jewish family tree.
Putting this sort of information on the web without the express permission
of at least those people who are living (and, by the way, the Krotman site
has some incorrect information about who is alive and who is not) may cause
unncessary problems for those involved.


Gary Blumsohn
West Orange, NJ
USA