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Re: Naming patterns #general

Snillop47@...
 

Michael asked:
"...were children ever named after deceased relatives of the
opposite sex? .... Was anything like this done earlier in the
20th Century and before? Could my paternal grandfather, born
in 1898,have been named after his paternal grandmother?"

---

My maternal grandfather died young (aged 33) in 1895. His first
grandchild, my sister, was born in 1915 and was named Ruby Isobel,
obviously after him. The first grandson,my brother, was named
Robert Ivor, also after him.

Harold Pollins
Oxford, England.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Naming patterns #general

Snillop47@...
 

Michael asked:
"...were children ever named after deceased relatives of the
opposite sex? .... Was anything like this done earlier in the
20th Century and before? Could my paternal grandfather, born
in 1898,have been named after his paternal grandmother?"

---

My maternal grandfather died young (aged 33) in 1895. His first
grandchild, my sister, was born in 1915 and was named Ruby Isobel,
obviously after him. The first grandson,my brother, was named
Robert Ivor, also after him.

Harold Pollins
Oxford, England.
HORN, Leipzig #general

Judith Elam
 

I am searching for Abraham HORN and his 2 children with
Sara MENDZIGURSKY HORN.

Sara was born 1889 in Oswiecim. The couple lived in Leipzig.
They had a daughter born in 1923 and a son in 1924,
names unknown. Sara died in 1926 in Leipzig.
Abraham remarried to Rachel Regina OFFEN, born 1889.
They had a son, Moses, born 1927 in Leipzig.
I have found an address for Abraham in Leipzig,
Blucherstrasse 21, as of 1932.

By 1935 Abraham, Sara and the 3 children had moved to Poland.
I have found a POT on Yad Vashem on Rachel and Moses,
by an Offen relative, which states they were living in
Tarnow and perished in Belzec. I cannot find anything
anywhere on Abraham or his 2 older children by Sara.
I would love to find them. Please respond directly to:

Judith Elam
Kihei, Hawaii
elamj@...
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen HORN, Leipzig #general

Judith Elam
 

I am searching for Abraham HORN and his 2 children with
Sara MENDZIGURSKY HORN.

Sara was born 1889 in Oswiecim. The couple lived in Leipzig.
They had a daughter born in 1923 and a son in 1924,
names unknown. Sara died in 1926 in Leipzig.
Abraham remarried to Rachel Regina OFFEN, born 1889.
They had a son, Moses, born 1927 in Leipzig.
I have found an address for Abraham in Leipzig,
Blucherstrasse 21, as of 1932.

By 1935 Abraham, Sara and the 3 children had moved to Poland.
I have found a POT on Yad Vashem on Rachel and Moses,
by an Offen relative, which states they were living in
Tarnow and perished in Belzec. I cannot find anything
anywhere on Abraham or his 2 older children by Sara.
I would love to find them. Please respond directly to:

Judith Elam
Kihei, Hawaii
elamj@...
Please cite message to which you are replying #general

David Rubin
 

Hello,

Lately we have seen many response to postings that do
not cite or quote adequately the message to which they
are responding.

Responses need to include the original poster, date, and
what the question was. Otherwise it makes no sense. And
by no means, change the subject line. Otherwise it makes
it difficult to find the original posting, or search the
archives to find all the responses to a subject.

Sincerely,
David Rubin and Mrs. Rubin
U.S.A.

MODERATOR NOTE: This request is being posted as a
suggestion for how you can help those reading your
posts. It is not the start of a thread. Please send
any comments privately to David Rubin and Mrs Rubin.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Please cite message to which you are replying #general

David Rubin
 

Hello,

Lately we have seen many response to postings that do
not cite or quote adequately the message to which they
are responding.

Responses need to include the original poster, date, and
what the question was. Otherwise it makes no sense. And
by no means, change the subject line. Otherwise it makes
it difficult to find the original posting, or search the
archives to find all the responses to a subject.

Sincerely,
David Rubin and Mrs. Rubin
U.S.A.

MODERATOR NOTE: This request is being posted as a
suggestion for how you can help those reading your
posts. It is not the start of a thread. Please send
any comments privately to David Rubin and Mrs Rubin.
IAJGS Now Full Member of RPAC #general

anne lee
 

IAJGS is delighted to announce that the Boards of Directors of both the
Federation of Genealogical Societies (FGS) and the National Genealogy
Society (NGS) have voted to make the IAJGS a member of the Records
Preservation and Access Committee (RPAC). Since 2004 IAJGS has been serving
on this committee as a non-board member. Jan Meisels Allen, IAJGS Board
Member and chairperson of the IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring
Committee (PRAMC) has been and continues to serve as the IAJGS
representative. The IAJGS PRAMC continues to operate independently, but
cooperatively with the RPAC.

The mission of the RPAC is: "To advise the genealogical community on
ensuring proper access to historical records of genealogical value in
whatever media they are recorded, on means to affect legislation, and on
supporting strong records preservation policies and practices." This
committee was founded by the FGS and NGS. While other genealogical
organizations have been non-members of the committee, until the recent
action by the two boards only FGS and NGS were considered members. Other
genealogical organizations currently serving as RPAC non-board members may
be made members in the future.

If you learn of any legislative or regulatory actions that impede access to
vital records, please pass this information on to Jan Meisels Allen at
jan@...

Anne Feder Lee,
President, IAJGS
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen IAJGS Now Full Member of RPAC #general

anne lee
 

IAJGS is delighted to announce that the Boards of Directors of both the
Federation of Genealogical Societies (FGS) and the National Genealogy
Society (NGS) have voted to make the IAJGS a member of the Records
Preservation and Access Committee (RPAC). Since 2004 IAJGS has been serving
on this committee as a non-board member. Jan Meisels Allen, IAJGS Board
Member and chairperson of the IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring
Committee (PRAMC) has been and continues to serve as the IAJGS
representative. The IAJGS PRAMC continues to operate independently, but
cooperatively with the RPAC.

The mission of the RPAC is: "To advise the genealogical community on
ensuring proper access to historical records of genealogical value in
whatever media they are recorded, on means to affect legislation, and on
supporting strong records preservation policies and practices." This
committee was founded by the FGS and NGS. While other genealogical
organizations have been non-members of the committee, until the recent
action by the two boards only FGS and NGS were considered members. Other
genealogical organizations currently serving as RPAC non-board members may
be made members in the future.

If you learn of any legislative or regulatory actions that impede access to
vital records, please pass this information on to Jan Meisels Allen at
jan@...

Anne Feder Lee,
President, IAJGS
Re: NY Cty Surrogate's Court info 1918? #general

Alex Skolnick <bussupp@...>
 

Hilary,

I had a similar experience last week. I had a NYTimes listing >from
the Brooklyn Surrogate Court >from 1914 for a person I was so curious
about because I could not figure out who she was. The Times listed
her as "Bessie Szugy" and when I looked her up it was really "Resie
Szugy" which made a lot more sense as "Rasie" had died the year before.

At the Brooklyn court, because the file was prior to 1924 it took a
day to retrieve (the guy searched after hours) which was unexpected
and put a damper on my plans for the following day. *But* it was *all
worth it*. The file was so interesting and helpful because it named
names and relationships and told a story about the person I had no
idea about.

So I recommend retrieving a legal document concerning wills, estates,
etc. In Brooklyn there was no charge for anything, except that you had
to use crappy copiers that cost 35 cents a copy. $90 seems excessive.

Good Luck,
Alex Skolnick
Philadelphia

--- On Mon, 6/22/09, hilary@... wrote:

Hi, everyone,
I recently found a reference to a relative of mine which I
would like to research further.

In the NY Times, May 7, 1918, under the NY County
Surrogate's Court calendar, is listed "Frank Clergy" to
appear at 10:30 that morning.

How or where would I learn the details of his appearance
and any related information? Since until now, I had
zero information about him after 1880, I'm very interested
to learn more.

Thanks so much,
Hilary Henkin
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: NY Cty Surrogate's Court info 1918? #general

Alex Skolnick <bussupp@...>
 

Hilary,

I had a similar experience last week. I had a NYTimes listing >from
the Brooklyn Surrogate Court >from 1914 for a person I was so curious
about because I could not figure out who she was. The Times listed
her as "Bessie Szugy" and when I looked her up it was really "Resie
Szugy" which made a lot more sense as "Rasie" had died the year before.

At the Brooklyn court, because the file was prior to 1924 it took a
day to retrieve (the guy searched after hours) which was unexpected
and put a damper on my plans for the following day. *But* it was *all
worth it*. The file was so interesting and helpful because it named
names and relationships and told a story about the person I had no
idea about.

So I recommend retrieving a legal document concerning wills, estates,
etc. In Brooklyn there was no charge for anything, except that you had
to use crappy copiers that cost 35 cents a copy. $90 seems excessive.

Good Luck,
Alex Skolnick
Philadelphia

--- On Mon, 6/22/09, hilary@... wrote:

Hi, everyone,
I recently found a reference to a relative of mine which I
would like to research further.

In the NY Times, May 7, 1918, under the NY County
Surrogate's Court calendar, is listed "Frank Clergy" to
appear at 10:30 that morning.

How or where would I learn the details of his appearance
and any related information? Since until now, I had
zero information about him after 1880, I'm very interested
to learn more.

Thanks so much,
Hilary Henkin
Help Locating My SHACHNOVICH/SHACHNOVITZ Family #general

Stanley and Shelda Sandler
 

I suspect I am searching for a needle in a haystack. I am searching for
possible descendants of my father's maternal family: the
SHACHNOVICH/SHACHNOVITZ family. They were >from Mogilev gubernia, Russia.
Today that area is Belarus.

My paternal grandmother's name was Schifra [nee Shakhnovitz, or a variant
spelling] BACHIN. She had a sister named Hinda who married a BUDNITZKY,
later Americanized to BUDMAN. According to oral history, there was also a
brother named Yishiya. Yishiya may have served in the military. He also
may have been married and had a daughter (name unknown). Letters >from
Russia abruptly stopped sometime during World War II. My grandmother was
born in the town of Chausy in Mogilev gubernia. It is possible that her
brother and sister were born in the same town; however, that is only a guess
on my part. Their father was Yitzhak SHACHNOVITZ. Their mother's name may
have been Rasha. Yitzhak's father name was Meir. Unfortunately, that is
all I know about the family. Schifra and Hinda married in Russia, came to
America, and Americanized their names to Sophia and Anna. Yishiya never
left Russia. There is no information about the fate of his daughter and
possible other children.

With so little information, does anyone have any suggestions how I might
search for them in the event there were some survivors who may have come to
the United States?

Thank you for any help you can suggest.

Please respond privately to stanshel@....

Shelda Sandler
Springfield, Pennsylvania
(suburban Philadelphia)

Researching: APTOWITZER >from Tarnopol province (Galicia), Ukraine
BACHIN/BAKHIN, SHACHNOVICH/SHACHNOVITZ/SCHAKHNOVICH/SCHAKHNOVITZ >from
Mogilev Gubernia, Belarus
LUDSKI/LODZKI >from Zgierz, Poland
NEWFELD/NAJFELD >from Zawichost, Poland
SZAJMAN >from Poland
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Help Locating My SHACHNOVICH/SHACHNOVITZ Family #general

Stanley and Shelda Sandler
 

I suspect I am searching for a needle in a haystack. I am searching for
possible descendants of my father's maternal family: the
SHACHNOVICH/SHACHNOVITZ family. They were >from Mogilev gubernia, Russia.
Today that area is Belarus.

My paternal grandmother's name was Schifra [nee Shakhnovitz, or a variant
spelling] BACHIN. She had a sister named Hinda who married a BUDNITZKY,
later Americanized to BUDMAN. According to oral history, there was also a
brother named Yishiya. Yishiya may have served in the military. He also
may have been married and had a daughter (name unknown). Letters >from
Russia abruptly stopped sometime during World War II. My grandmother was
born in the town of Chausy in Mogilev gubernia. It is possible that her
brother and sister were born in the same town; however, that is only a guess
on my part. Their father was Yitzhak SHACHNOVITZ. Their mother's name may
have been Rasha. Yitzhak's father name was Meir. Unfortunately, that is
all I know about the family. Schifra and Hinda married in Russia, came to
America, and Americanized their names to Sophia and Anna. Yishiya never
left Russia. There is no information about the fate of his daughter and
possible other children.

With so little information, does anyone have any suggestions how I might
search for them in the event there were some survivors who may have come to
the United States?

Thank you for any help you can suggest.

Please respond privately to stanshel@....

Shelda Sandler
Springfield, Pennsylvania
(suburban Philadelphia)

Researching: APTOWITZER >from Tarnopol province (Galicia), Ukraine
BACHIN/BAKHIN, SHACHNOVICH/SHACHNOVITZ/SCHAKHNOVICH/SCHAKHNOVITZ >from
Mogilev Gubernia, Belarus
LUDSKI/LODZKI >from Zgierz, Poland
NEWFELD/NAJFELD >from Zawichost, Poland
SZAJMAN >from Poland
Is Stucines the town of Studenets, Belarus? #general

Bob Roudman
 

Hello Geners,

Just received a death certificate listing the place of birth as "Stucines"
(with a "c"). Stucines is also given as the deceased's parents place of
birth. The person is Eva Stodsky Slavetsky, and her parents are Benjamin
Stodsky and Mollie Jelitzsky Stodsky. Eva's brother Harry Stodsky gives his
birthplace as Vilna (Vilnius). I am not sure of which town Stucines is
exactly. The Jewish Gen data base lists two possibilities, Studenets in
Belarus, and Studenitsa in Ukraine. I am bothered by the d which is not in
the death certificate spelling. The town name was spelled three times, once
for the deceased and for both parents. I am inclined to go with the Belarus
location as Eva's brother was apparently born relatively closer in Vilnius
than to the Ukraine location. I am also unsure of if these locations are
correct given the different spelling. Any suggestions would be very much
appreciated.
Thank you,
Bob Roudman
San Rafael, CA
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Is Stucines the town of Studenets, Belarus? #general

Bob Roudman
 

Hello Geners,

Just received a death certificate listing the place of birth as "Stucines"
(with a "c"). Stucines is also given as the deceased's parents place of
birth. The person is Eva Stodsky Slavetsky, and her parents are Benjamin
Stodsky and Mollie Jelitzsky Stodsky. Eva's brother Harry Stodsky gives his
birthplace as Vilna (Vilnius). I am not sure of which town Stucines is
exactly. The Jewish Gen data base lists two possibilities, Studenets in
Belarus, and Studenitsa in Ukraine. I am bothered by the d which is not in
the death certificate spelling. The town name was spelled three times, once
for the deceased and for both parents. I am inclined to go with the Belarus
location as Eva's brother was apparently born relatively closer in Vilnius
than to the Ukraine location. I am also unsure of if these locations are
correct given the different spelling. Any suggestions would be very much
appreciated.
Thank you,
Bob Roudman
San Rafael, CA
Washington, DC Petition for Naturalization, 1934 #general

Marlene Bishow <mlbishow@...>
 

Hi Cousins:

In response to David Dubin's query about getting a better copy of his aunt's
naturalization documentation.

After making several phone calls, I spoke with Sherryl Horn at the U.S.
District Court for the District of Columbia, 333 Constitution Avenue,
Washington, DC 20001. She advised that the DC Petitions for Naturalization
are not stored in DC, but she can provide some information >from a summary
card that is located in her facility - name, alien #, certificate # and
accession #. You may call her directly at 202-354-3107 or email at
sherryl_t._horn@...

I hope that this is of help to you and I would appreciate any feedback that
you may provide for inclusion in the 5th edition of CAPITAL COLLECTIONS:
RESOURCES FOR JEWISH GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH IN THE WASHINGTON, DC AREA to be
published by the Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater Washington (JGSGW).

Regards,
Marlene Bishow
Editor, Capital Collections
Co-Chair
DC2011 - 31st IAJGS International Jewish Genealogy Conference
Immediate Past President
Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater Washington
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Washington, DC Petition for Naturalization, 1934 #general

Marlene Bishow <mlbishow@...>
 

Hi Cousins:

In response to David Dubin's query about getting a better copy of his aunt's
naturalization documentation.

After making several phone calls, I spoke with Sherryl Horn at the U.S.
District Court for the District of Columbia, 333 Constitution Avenue,
Washington, DC 20001. She advised that the DC Petitions for Naturalization
are not stored in DC, but she can provide some information >from a summary
card that is located in her facility - name, alien #, certificate # and
accession #. You may call her directly at 202-354-3107 or email at
sherryl_t._horn@...

I hope that this is of help to you and I would appreciate any feedback that
you may provide for inclusion in the 5th edition of CAPITAL COLLECTIONS:
RESOURCES FOR JEWISH GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH IN THE WASHINGTON, DC AREA to be
published by the Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater Washington (JGSGW).

Regards,
Marlene Bishow
Editor, Capital Collections
Co-Chair
DC2011 - 31st IAJGS International Jewish Genealogy Conference
Immediate Past President
Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater Washington
Re: 1938 Deportation #galicia

J.C.Keiner <j.c.keiner@...>
 

My maternal grandfather and uncle were amongst those who were
deported >from Berlin to Zbaszyn. They managed to get out to
Krakow because we had cousins there who they were able to contact
and they took them in. So it is likely that your grandmother had
relatives in Gorlice who similarly took responsibility for her.
Because it was a no man's land, you could not leave Zbaszyn
without some direct help >from fellow Poles. The whole rationale
for the mass deportation was that the Nazis wanted to forestall
being left with long term =E9migr=E9 Polish Jews who were about
to be stripped of their Polish nationality by the anti-semitic
Polish government of that time.

Ironically, although my US relatives were able to help get my
grandfather out to the UK, where, even more sadly, he was killed
in 1940 by a German bombing raid on London, my uncle was
subsequently unable to get out of Poland because he was of
military age (actually in his early 30s). This was because
although the Poles hadn't wanted these deported Jews, once they
had them, they wanted to keep those of military age once it
became very clear that Germany was likely to invade. He was
subsequently murdered after being rounded up by the occupying
Germans for supposed "work service" with other young Jewish men
in Krakow some time in 1940. They were made to dig their grave
then shot into it.

Judy Keiner

London England

On 24/6/09 19:49, "Shalom" <sygaa@...> wrote:

I suggest that you check information on Zbaszyn. On October 30,
1938, the immortal Emanuel Ringelblum (who was born in Buczacz)
was sent by the JDC in Warsaw to supervise the efforts to help the
Polish Jews expelled >from Germany. Zbaszyn was the town where they
were concentrated. I suggest you Google Zbaszyn and you will find
the text of a letter that Ringelblum sent plus a great deal of
other information.
Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: 1938 Deportation #galicia

J.C.Keiner <j.c.keiner@...>
 

My maternal grandfather and uncle were amongst those who were
deported >from Berlin to Zbaszyn. They managed to get out to
Krakow because we had cousins there who they were able to contact
and they took them in. So it is likely that your grandmother had
relatives in Gorlice who similarly took responsibility for her.
Because it was a no man's land, you could not leave Zbaszyn
without some direct help >from fellow Poles. The whole rationale
for the mass deportation was that the Nazis wanted to forestall
being left with long term =E9migr=E9 Polish Jews who were about
to be stripped of their Polish nationality by the anti-semitic
Polish government of that time.

Ironically, although my US relatives were able to help get my
grandfather out to the UK, where, even more sadly, he was killed
in 1940 by a German bombing raid on London, my uncle was
subsequently unable to get out of Poland because he was of
military age (actually in his early 30s). This was because
although the Poles hadn't wanted these deported Jews, once they
had them, they wanted to keep those of military age once it
became very clear that Germany was likely to invade. He was
subsequently murdered after being rounded up by the occupying
Germans for supposed "work service" with other young Jewish men
in Krakow some time in 1940. They were made to dig their grave
then shot into it.

Judy Keiner

London England

On 24/6/09 19:49, "Shalom" <sygaa@...> wrote:

I suggest that you check information on Zbaszyn. On October 30,
1938, the immortal Emanuel Ringelblum (who was born in Buczacz)
was sent by the JDC in Warsaw to supervise the efforts to help the
Polish Jews expelled >from Germany. Zbaszyn was the town where they
were concentrated. I suggest you Google Zbaszyn and you will find
the text of a letter that Ringelblum sent plus a great deal of
other information.
Re: 1938 Deportation #galicia

Rita Falbel <rfalbel@...>
 

Peter,

My father was also deported >from Vienna to Neubenschen (Zbaszyn).
Miraculously, he made it back to Vienna through a series of lucky
breaks and financial help >from my mother, though it's not clear
to me >from the accounts in the link below, how he did it. It's a
very interesting though puzzling story.

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/holoprelude/Zbaszyn.html

Rita Falbel
Researching:
SIGAL, HERBESBERGER, SCHROETTER, WITTMAN, MASSARIK, SOFER

At 12:55 PM 6/24/2009, Peter Bein wrote:
During the last week of October 1938, many German Jews of Polish
origin were forced by the Nazis to leave their homes, and were
deported to Poland....
Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: 1938 Deportation #galicia

Rita Falbel <rfalbel@...>
 

Peter,

My father was also deported >from Vienna to Neubenschen (Zbaszyn).
Miraculously, he made it back to Vienna through a series of lucky
breaks and financial help >from my mother, though it's not clear
to me >from the accounts in the link below, how he did it. It's a
very interesting though puzzling story.

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/holoprelude/Zbaszyn.html

Rita Falbel
Researching:
SIGAL, HERBESBERGER, SCHROETTER, WITTMAN, MASSARIK, SOFER

At 12:55 PM 6/24/2009, Peter Bein wrote:
During the last week of October 1938, many German Jews of Polish
origin were forced by the Nazis to leave their homes, and were
deported to Poland....
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