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Simmons and Isaacs family #southafrica

Jane Moulding
 

Dear South African Genners

I thought it best to send two separate requests for help to avoid confusion.

I have tried to locate members of my Simmons family through JGFF but
although I have had responses >from some lovely people none of them are my
Simmons. I have located an elderly gentleman in Jo'burg who is my second
cousin but unless I phone him I don't get any response to my queries. Quite
understandable as I appreciate that not everyone shares my interest in
genealogy.

I am looking for any children or grandchildren of Leo Simmons and his wife
Ettie (maiden name unknown). Leo died in Port Elizabeth on 29 July 1991 and
Ettie on 28 November 1989. Leo had a brother called Morris Sydney and a
sister called Clara as well as Mark Michael mentioned below.

I am also looking for offspring of Mark Michael Simmons and his wife Esther
(surname unknown). Mark Michael died on 12 December 1975 also in Port
Elizabeth. I wonder whether Esther is Ettie (the wife of Leo above) who
married him after his brother, Mark Michael, died.

The other Simmons family members I am looking for may well have left South
Africa some time ago. They are David Henry Simmons, Gus Ellis Simmons and
Dorothy Isaacs (nee Simmons) who had a daughter called Margaret.

These Simmons are the nieces and nephews of my grandmother Julia Rubinstein
whose headstone photograph I requested in an earlier post.

Once again, any help you can provide would be much appreciated.

Jane Moulding
Bucks, UK


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Simmons and Isaacs family #southafrica

Jane Moulding
 

Dear South African Genners

I thought it best to send two separate requests for help to avoid confusion.

I have tried to locate members of my Simmons family through JGFF but
although I have had responses >from some lovely people none of them are my
Simmons. I have located an elderly gentleman in Jo'burg who is my second
cousin but unless I phone him I don't get any response to my queries. Quite
understandable as I appreciate that not everyone shares my interest in
genealogy.

I am looking for any children or grandchildren of Leo Simmons and his wife
Ettie (maiden name unknown). Leo died in Port Elizabeth on 29 July 1991 and
Ettie on 28 November 1989. Leo had a brother called Morris Sydney and a
sister called Clara as well as Mark Michael mentioned below.

I am also looking for offspring of Mark Michael Simmons and his wife Esther
(surname unknown). Mark Michael died on 12 December 1975 also in Port
Elizabeth. I wonder whether Esther is Ettie (the wife of Leo above) who
married him after his brother, Mark Michael, died.

The other Simmons family members I am looking for may well have left South
Africa some time ago. They are David Henry Simmons, Gus Ellis Simmons and
Dorothy Isaacs (nee Simmons) who had a daughter called Margaret.

These Simmons are the nieces and nephews of my grandmother Julia Rubinstein
whose headstone photograph I requested in an earlier post.

Once again, any help you can provide would be much appreciated.

Jane Moulding
Bucks, UK


Re: Petersburg as starting place #general

Jules Levin
 

My questions relate to family origins/shetls. The handbook of Jewish
surnames shows Schwerdlin/Sverdlin/ Swerdlin/Sverdlov as coming >from the
area of Lepel, Disna, Vitebsk, Polotsk, >from the village of Sverdly near
Polotsk. Additional contacts within Jewishgen, also indicate Gloubke in
Minsk gubernia. The passenger list shows Petersburg as the point of origin,
how is this possible? Petersburg is clearly out of the Pale and my GGF was
not someone whose talents were required there. He was a milkman (milk
delivery) in Chicago 1900, retired in 1910, and died in 1914.
In 1891 20,000 Jews living in Petersburg without the right to do so were
expelled. By then the Pale restrictions were clearly breaking down.
There was a substantial and wealthy Jewish community living there, even
in Tsarskoe Selo, the imperial suburb which was by then a bourgeois
bedroom community, the first fully electrified town in the world, with
a commuter train running into Petersburg. A Jewish girls' school was
founded there in the 1880's. Do you know what he actually did in
Petersburg? Perhaps he owned a milk delivery service.
Jules Levin


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Petersburg as starting place #general

Jules Levin
 

My questions relate to family origins/shetls. The handbook of Jewish
surnames shows Schwerdlin/Sverdlin/ Swerdlin/Sverdlov as coming >from the
area of Lepel, Disna, Vitebsk, Polotsk, >from the village of Sverdly near
Polotsk. Additional contacts within Jewishgen, also indicate Gloubke in
Minsk gubernia. The passenger list shows Petersburg as the point of origin,
how is this possible? Petersburg is clearly out of the Pale and my GGF was
not someone whose talents were required there. He was a milkman (milk
delivery) in Chicago 1900, retired in 1910, and died in 1914.
In 1891 20,000 Jews living in Petersburg without the right to do so were
expelled. By then the Pale restrictions were clearly breaking down.
There was a substantial and wealthy Jewish community living there, even
in Tsarskoe Selo, the imperial suburb which was by then a bourgeois
bedroom community, the first fully electrified town in the world, with
a commuter train running into Petersburg. A Jewish girls' school was
founded there in the 1880's. Do you know what he actually did in
Petersburg? Perhaps he owned a milk delivery service.
Jules Levin


Re: 1770 Bay Ridge Pkwy, Brooklyn #general

n.kraus-friedberg@...
 

More to say on 1770 Bay Ridge Parkway: In Brooklyn, some numbered
streets are replaced by streets with names. In this case, Bay Ridge
Parkway in Brooklyn is the equivalent of 75th Street. The streets in
that area go 73rd, 74th, Bay Ridge Parkway, 76th, etc. The address in
question is on Bay Ridge Parkway between 17th Avenue and 18th Avenue.
It is *not* on W. 75th Street, which is in Manhattan.

Good luck!
Nurit Kraus-Friedberg
n.kraus-friedberg@att.net
searching: REICHER/Strzyzow to US, Mosciska; FRIEDBERG/Grodno to US


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: 1770 Bay Ridge Pkwy, Brooklyn #general

n.kraus-friedberg@...
 

More to say on 1770 Bay Ridge Parkway: In Brooklyn, some numbered
streets are replaced by streets with names. In this case, Bay Ridge
Parkway in Brooklyn is the equivalent of 75th Street. The streets in
that area go 73rd, 74th, Bay Ridge Parkway, 76th, etc. The address in
question is on Bay Ridge Parkway between 17th Avenue and 18th Avenue.
It is *not* on W. 75th Street, which is in Manhattan.

Good luck!
Nurit Kraus-Friedberg
n.kraus-friedberg@att.net
searching: REICHER/Strzyzow to US, Mosciska; FRIEDBERG/Grodno to US


Re: Vladivostok #general

Naomi Fatouros
 

On July 29,2006, Victoria Reed
(researchtoldot@yahoo.com) wrote:

<<I have been contacted by a someone in Germany who is
researching a surname that I am also researching.
However, this gentleman's grandfather came from
Vladivostok and I could find very little about it on
the JewishGen site. I did look on our Discussion Group
archives and forwarded him some letters written by
others looking for information >from Vladivostok.>>

A google search using first the term "Vladivostok,"
and second set of terms "Vladivostok Jews" turned up
quite a few interesting websites,although none offered
specific information about the possibility of
obtaining documentation about any particular Jew or
even about the existence of any archives concerning
Siberian Jews. Among the most interesting of the
Vladivostok websites is one containing a long article
by Irena Vladimirsky on Siberian Jews.

During 2004 and 2005 I exchanged several friendly
emails with Eva-Maria Stolberg, of the Russian
Department at the University of Bonn. I had wanted to
know whether during the course of her research on
Siberia she had come across a published study which my
grandfather's cousin, Gregor Zvi Belkkovsky had made a
century or so ago of the legal status of the Jews of
Siberia. Belkovsky had been prompted to embark on that
study when he was visited by three Jews >from Chita.
Unfortunately Dr. Stolberg knew nothing of that study.

Her book in English, which I have not read, was
published as a paperback entitled "The Siberian Saga:
a History of Russia's Wild West." Dr. Stolberg told
me that in it was a chapter on the development of
Siberia by Jews who were merchants, businessment,
lawyers and Zionists. Ms. Reed and her German
correpondent may want to write to Dr. Stolberg. Her
professional email address can be found on the
Internet.

One of these days I will also write to Irena
Vladimirsky to ask whether she knows of Belkovsky's
Siberian study.

Then, of course, there are several books about the
Jewish Autonomous Republic of Birobidzhan which Ms
Reed's German correspondent may want to consult.

When I myself look for information about my family
history and related information I almost always do
google searches first before looking to Jewishgen for
help. Recently I discovered through doing various
searches Google's "advanced search" facility for books
and scholarly articles, quite a lot of citations not
only to some of my relatives, but also answers to
questions I had on various topics of particular
interest to me. For instance, by typing in my
father's name in the advance search engine,I even
found the other day a detailed history and description
of a medical center in New Rochelle which was one of
the many buildings my architect father designed in and
around New York City. Although I had known of that
medical center >from a photocopy I had of an artist's
rendering, I would not have known of the building's
history had I not used Google's "advanced search"
engine!

So, as other Jewishgenners have often suggested,
inquirers should always look first for answers to
questions on the Internet as well as through
Jewishgen.

What one can find in "paper" books and articles,
and through the Internet as well Jewishgen's
discussion group archives and the archives of its SIGs
(Special Interest Groups) has so far never ceased to
astonish me.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@sbcglobal.net
BELKOWSKY,BIELKOWSKY, BILKOWSKI, Odessa,St. Petersburg,Berdichev,
Kiev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug;FRASCH,Kiev;LIBERMAN,Moscow;FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets;LEVY, WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS/
SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk, Radomysl?; BEHAM, Salok, Kharkov;
WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Vladivostok #general

Naomi Fatouros
 

On July 29,2006, Victoria Reed
(researchtoldot@yahoo.com) wrote:

<<I have been contacted by a someone in Germany who is
researching a surname that I am also researching.
However, this gentleman's grandfather came from
Vladivostok and I could find very little about it on
the JewishGen site. I did look on our Discussion Group
archives and forwarded him some letters written by
others looking for information >from Vladivostok.>>

A google search using first the term "Vladivostok,"
and second set of terms "Vladivostok Jews" turned up
quite a few interesting websites,although none offered
specific information about the possibility of
obtaining documentation about any particular Jew or
even about the existence of any archives concerning
Siberian Jews. Among the most interesting of the
Vladivostok websites is one containing a long article
by Irena Vladimirsky on Siberian Jews.

During 2004 and 2005 I exchanged several friendly
emails with Eva-Maria Stolberg, of the Russian
Department at the University of Bonn. I had wanted to
know whether during the course of her research on
Siberia she had come across a published study which my
grandfather's cousin, Gregor Zvi Belkkovsky had made a
century or so ago of the legal status of the Jews of
Siberia. Belkovsky had been prompted to embark on that
study when he was visited by three Jews >from Chita.
Unfortunately Dr. Stolberg knew nothing of that study.

Her book in English, which I have not read, was
published as a paperback entitled "The Siberian Saga:
a History of Russia's Wild West." Dr. Stolberg told
me that in it was a chapter on the development of
Siberia by Jews who were merchants, businessment,
lawyers and Zionists. Ms. Reed and her German
correpondent may want to write to Dr. Stolberg. Her
professional email address can be found on the
Internet.

One of these days I will also write to Irena
Vladimirsky to ask whether she knows of Belkovsky's
Siberian study.

Then, of course, there are several books about the
Jewish Autonomous Republic of Birobidzhan which Ms
Reed's German correspondent may want to consult.

When I myself look for information about my family
history and related information I almost always do
google searches first before looking to Jewishgen for
help. Recently I discovered through doing various
searches Google's "advanced search" facility for books
and scholarly articles, quite a lot of citations not
only to some of my relatives, but also answers to
questions I had on various topics of particular
interest to me. For instance, by typing in my
father's name in the advance search engine,I even
found the other day a detailed history and description
of a medical center in New Rochelle which was one of
the many buildings my architect father designed in and
around New York City. Although I had known of that
medical center >from a photocopy I had of an artist's
rendering, I would not have known of the building's
history had I not used Google's "advanced search"
engine!

So, as other Jewishgenners have often suggested,
inquirers should always look first for answers to
questions on the Internet as well as through
Jewishgen.

What one can find in "paper" books and articles,
and through the Internet as well Jewishgen's
discussion group archives and the archives of its SIGs
(Special Interest Groups) has so far never ceased to
astonish me.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@sbcglobal.net
BELKOWSKY,BIELKOWSKY, BILKOWSKI, Odessa,St. Petersburg,Berdichev,
Kiev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug;FRASCH,Kiev;LIBERMAN,Moscow;FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets;LEVY, WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS/
SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk, Radomysl?; BEHAM, Salok, Kharkov;
WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


Yad Vashem's Shoah Related Lists Database #danzig #gdansk #germany #poland

Logan J. Kleinwaks
 

Yad Vashem's new Shoah Related Lists Database
(http://www.yadvashem.org/lwp/workplace/listoflist?WT.mc_id=lolen)
has information about four lists that mention Danzig, including
scanned images of two (indicated by * below):

List of survivors >from Bydgoszc, Gdansk, and Wloclawek, 1945, 1939 names

List of Jews in Gdansk, 1950, 205 names

* List of Jewish survivors >from Gdansk, who after WWII lived in the Dolny
Slask region, Poland, 27/12/1946, 7 names (database indicates there are 4
names, but 7 are visible in the scan)

* List of Jewish survivors >from Gdynia, who after WWII lived in the Dolny
Slask region, Poland, 04/10/1946, 23 names (databases indicates 24) -- there
seems to have been a problem with the scanning, which I wrote to Yad Vashem
about, so that the part of the list showing the surnames is missing

Are any SIG members familiar with the two lists not scanned?

Best regards,

Logan Kleinwaks
Coordinator, JewishGen Danzig/Gdansk SIG
kleinwaks@alumni.princeton.edu
near Washington, D.C.


Danzig/Gedansk SIG #Danzig #Gdansk #Germany #Poland Yad Vashem's Shoah Related Lists Database #danzig #gdansk #germany #poland

Logan J. Kleinwaks
 

Yad Vashem's new Shoah Related Lists Database
(http://www.yadvashem.org/lwp/workplace/listoflist?WT.mc_id=lolen)
has information about four lists that mention Danzig, including
scanned images of two (indicated by * below):

List of survivors >from Bydgoszc, Gdansk, and Wloclawek, 1945, 1939 names

List of Jews in Gdansk, 1950, 205 names

* List of Jewish survivors >from Gdansk, who after WWII lived in the Dolny
Slask region, Poland, 27/12/1946, 7 names (database indicates there are 4
names, but 7 are visible in the scan)

* List of Jewish survivors >from Gdynia, who after WWII lived in the Dolny
Slask region, Poland, 04/10/1946, 23 names (databases indicates 24) -- there
seems to have been a problem with the scanning, which I wrote to Yad Vashem
about, so that the part of the list showing the surnames is missing

Are any SIG members familiar with the two lists not scanned?

Best regards,

Logan Kleinwaks
Coordinator, JewishGen Danzig/Gdansk SIG
kleinwaks@alumni.princeton.edu
near Washington, D.C.


Johannesburg Cemetery Photograph #southafrica

Jane Moulding
 

Dear South African Genners

I wonder whether there is a kind person in Jo'burg who would be willing to
photograph my grandmother's headstone in West Park I Cemetery. Her name is
Julia Rubinstein and she is buried in Plot B 1012. She died on 9th February
1955, aged 87. I have had no luck in tracing where my grandfather, Max
Rubinstein, is buried. He died on 6th September either 1935 or 1936 at 49
First Avenue, Lower Houghton but I can find no record of his burial. I
assume though that he was probably buried in the same cemetery.

Any help that you can give would be much appreciated.

Jane Moulding
Bucks, UK


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Johannesburg Cemetery Photograph #southafrica

Jane Moulding
 

Dear South African Genners

I wonder whether there is a kind person in Jo'burg who would be willing to
photograph my grandmother's headstone in West Park I Cemetery. Her name is
Julia Rubinstein and she is buried in Plot B 1012. She died on 9th February
1955, aged 87. I have had no luck in tracing where my grandfather, Max
Rubinstein, is buried. He died on 6th September either 1935 or 1936 at 49
First Avenue, Lower Houghton but I can find no record of his burial. I
assume though that he was probably buried in the same cemetery.

Any help that you can give would be much appreciated.

Jane Moulding
Bucks, UK


Re: R. Baruch haLevi EPSTEIN (the Torah Tmimah) #rabbinic

Nachum Tuchman
 

On 2006.07.30, Itzhak Epstein <iegen@earthlink.net> wrote:

Does anybody know whether R. Baruch haLevi EPSTEIN had any siblings
or children, and where one can find genealogical information about
them? I did, of course, look at Mekor Baruch.
Hi,

I have nothing on Rav Baruch's children, although I remember reading
that he has descendants in the US. He had, I believe, at least two
sons. At least one of them went to the States.

Rav Baruch himself went to the States, I believe that I have found
him in the EIDB in 1923. He was unable to find work, and went back
to Europe. He was later murdered in the Shoa in 1942, at age 84.

Although one of the greatest rabbis of his generation, it seems that
he never made a living >from his Torah knowledge. In Europe he was a
banker. I have read that many people trusted him with their money
due to his piousness.

He had a brother named R' Dov Ber. All that I know about him is
that he made aliyah to Jerusalem.

He also had a sister named Batia Miril. She was the second wife of
the Netziv, R' Naphtali Tzvi Yehuda BERLIN, who was also her uncle.
The Netziv's sister was the wife of R' Yehiel Michel Halevy EPSTEIN,
father of Rav Baruch and his siblings. (In the Torah Temima, when
Rav Baruch quotes the Netziv, he calls him his uncle. I don't
recall if he ever mentions his name, and he certainly doesn't refer
to the Netziv as his brother-in-law.) The Netziv, >from his first
wife, was the son-in-law of R' Yitzchak of Volozhin, and replaced
him as head of the Yeshiva there. The Netziv and Batia Miril had a
son named R. Chaim BERLIN who died in Israel in 1913. He changed
his last name to Bar Ilan, and the University in Israel is named for
him.

I wish I knew more.

Nachum Tuchman
Tekoa, Israel


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: R. Baruch haLevi EPSTEIN (the Torah Tmimah) #rabbinic

Nachum Tuchman
 

On 2006.07.30, Itzhak Epstein <iegen@earthlink.net> wrote:

Does anybody know whether R. Baruch haLevi EPSTEIN had any siblings
or children, and where one can find genealogical information about
them? I did, of course, look at Mekor Baruch.
Hi,

I have nothing on Rav Baruch's children, although I remember reading
that he has descendants in the US. He had, I believe, at least two
sons. At least one of them went to the States.

Rav Baruch himself went to the States, I believe that I have found
him in the EIDB in 1923. He was unable to find work, and went back
to Europe. He was later murdered in the Shoa in 1942, at age 84.

Although one of the greatest rabbis of his generation, it seems that
he never made a living >from his Torah knowledge. In Europe he was a
banker. I have read that many people trusted him with their money
due to his piousness.

He had a brother named R' Dov Ber. All that I know about him is
that he made aliyah to Jerusalem.

He also had a sister named Batia Miril. She was the second wife of
the Netziv, R' Naphtali Tzvi Yehuda BERLIN, who was also her uncle.
The Netziv's sister was the wife of R' Yehiel Michel Halevy EPSTEIN,
father of Rav Baruch and his siblings. (In the Torah Temima, when
Rav Baruch quotes the Netziv, he calls him his uncle. I don't
recall if he ever mentions his name, and he certainly doesn't refer
to the Netziv as his brother-in-law.) The Netziv, >from his first
wife, was the son-in-law of R' Yitzchak of Volozhin, and replaced
him as head of the Yeshiva there. The Netziv and Batia Miril had a
son named R. Chaim BERLIN who died in Israel in 1913. He changed
his last name to Bar Ilan, and the University in Israel is named for
him.

I wish I knew more.

Nachum Tuchman
Tekoa, Israel


Re: R. Baruch haLevi EPSTEIN (the Torah Tmimah) #rabbinic

Jeffrey R. Woolf <woolfj@...>
 

On 2006.07.30, Itzhak Epstein <iegen@earthlink.net> wrote:

Does anybody know whether R. Baruch haLevi EPSTEIN had any siblings
or children, and where one can find genealogical information about
them? I did, of course, look at Mekor Baruch.
I don't believe that he had full-siblings, but he did have
descendants. You could contact Professor Meir Bar Ilan. His
web page is: http://faculty.biu.ac.il/~barilm/


Jeffrey Woolf


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: R. Baruch haLevi EPSTEIN (the Torah Tmimah) #rabbinic

Jeffrey R. Woolf <woolfj@...>
 

On 2006.07.30, Itzhak Epstein <iegen@earthlink.net> wrote:

Does anybody know whether R. Baruch haLevi EPSTEIN had any siblings
or children, and where one can find genealogical information about
them? I did, of course, look at Mekor Baruch.
I don't believe that he had full-siblings, but he did have
descendants. You could contact Professor Meir Bar Ilan. His
web page is: http://faculty.biu.ac.il/~barilm/


Jeffrey Woolf


Rabbi of Zazkov - Late 19th Cent. #rabbinic

bettyross1@...
 

Dear Genners:

My GGF, Shakhman HOROWITZ and his wife Mary MERCOM HOROWITZ, had
five children -- Harris (my grandfather), David, Chaya, Sura and
Golda. Harris was the only one who immigrated to the U.S. Chaya
and her husband Yosel had a daughter, Bath-Zion, who married the
Rabbi of Zazkov, probably in the late 1800s. Does anyone know the
name of the Zazkov rabbi during that period? And how can I find out
about him -- especially his birth, marriage and death dates and
information about his parents and siblings.

I am also trying to learn more about my great-uncle David HOROWITZ.
According to family lore, he was a journalist -- either the editor
of or a political columnist for a newspaper called the Odessa
Folksblatt. I have been told that the czar closed the paper in 1905
because it was too radical.

Thanks in advance for whatever clues you can provide.

Betty Ross
Bethesda, Maryland


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Rabbi of Zazkov - Late 19th Cent. #rabbinic

bettyross1@...
 

Dear Genners:

My GGF, Shakhman HOROWITZ and his wife Mary MERCOM HOROWITZ, had
five children -- Harris (my grandfather), David, Chaya, Sura and
Golda. Harris was the only one who immigrated to the U.S. Chaya
and her husband Yosel had a daughter, Bath-Zion, who married the
Rabbi of Zazkov, probably in the late 1800s. Does anyone know the
name of the Zazkov rabbi during that period? And how can I find out
about him -- especially his birth, marriage and death dates and
information about his parents and siblings.

I am also trying to learn more about my great-uncle David HOROWITZ.
According to family lore, he was a journalist -- either the editor
of or a political columnist for a newspaper called the Odessa
Folksblatt. I have been told that the czar closed the paper in 1905
because it was too radical.

Thanks in advance for whatever clues you can provide.

Betty Ross
Bethesda, Maryland


Stark reality of translating Hugo Gold's Bohemia & Moravia volumes #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Ruth Coman and I have been working steadily on the indexing of the
Hugo Gold Bohemia book and we should soon complete this task. Vera
Finberg will also be joining us.

My feeling is that this Excel file will be a very useful resource in
its own right and I will also cross-index every place/Gemeinde with
the 1793 census, wherever possible. You will be able to scan through
it quickly to see what each chapter has to offer - if anything!

After looking at the new work on the Prague Jewish Museum website:
Encyclopaedia of Jewish Communities in Bohemia and Moravia, I
seriously question how far we should go after indexing the Gold books
[inc Moravia]. The new data >from Prague is excellent but only in
Czech! It is more structured and targeted and adapted to the needs of
most of us in the 21st century than the Gold volumes and could be
very valuable to genealogists. Paul King has checked the new Pribram
chapter and finds it more valuable than the Hugo Gold "Pribram".

You have to buy the chapters. The Gold chapters are variable/patchy -
and frequently give no genealogical data of value. Some give in-depth
history, others a brief mention. Some stress the religious leaders of
the community - only a few are very detailed. Some/many are terribly
tedious and badly structured.

Even if you understand no Czech [I speak not a word, but I can get
the gist of the contents] or German - it is possible to screen the
chapter to see if there are names in there which may be of
genealogical interest.

Please look at the new data >from Prague - sample chapters on:
Brandys nad Labem, Damborice, Dobruska, Horazdovice and Pribram. Some
have interesting census data [see Damborice] and there are plenty of
names: http://www.jewishmuseum.cz/en/adokuzo.htm

We are are a genealogy group and there are some very specific
projects in Bohemia and Moravia, which looked at on a "cost/benefit
basis", will be of more value to many of us in our lifetime [eg;
continuation of the Familianten records inc. vital data >from the
Moravian archives - where we have hardly anything].

I fear the Gold project would be for our [gt] grandchildren and
indeed they may not be interested! As German is far more accessible
to most of us than Czech - it is the Czech chapter of greatest
importance which should be targeted in Bohemia and Moravia. The
"bullet point" model used by Prague for their current work could be
used - ie a precis - but then that would be anathema to the Yizkor
Project.

There are probably 1,500 pages to translate in all. If we estimate a
week/page - there are many tables and proof-reading will be a
nightmare and require experts [plenty of footnotes too] - we arrive
at a rough estimate of 30 years! This may be an overestimate but I
doubt it. The cost would be prohibitive.

Surely all aspects of this project must be discussed very carefully
before we commit ourselves to a leviathan?

Celia Male [U.K.]


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Stark reality of translating Hugo Gold's Bohemia & Moravia volumes #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Ruth Coman and I have been working steadily on the indexing of the
Hugo Gold Bohemia book and we should soon complete this task. Vera
Finberg will also be joining us.

My feeling is that this Excel file will be a very useful resource in
its own right and I will also cross-index every place/Gemeinde with
the 1793 census, wherever possible. You will be able to scan through
it quickly to see what each chapter has to offer - if anything!

After looking at the new work on the Prague Jewish Museum website:
Encyclopaedia of Jewish Communities in Bohemia and Moravia, I
seriously question how far we should go after indexing the Gold books
[inc Moravia]. The new data >from Prague is excellent but only in
Czech! It is more structured and targeted and adapted to the needs of
most of us in the 21st century than the Gold volumes and could be
very valuable to genealogists. Paul King has checked the new Pribram
chapter and finds it more valuable than the Hugo Gold "Pribram".

You have to buy the chapters. The Gold chapters are variable/patchy -
and frequently give no genealogical data of value. Some give in-depth
history, others a brief mention. Some stress the religious leaders of
the community - only a few are very detailed. Some/many are terribly
tedious and badly structured.

Even if you understand no Czech [I speak not a word, but I can get
the gist of the contents] or German - it is possible to screen the
chapter to see if there are names in there which may be of
genealogical interest.

Please look at the new data >from Prague - sample chapters on:
Brandys nad Labem, Damborice, Dobruska, Horazdovice and Pribram. Some
have interesting census data [see Damborice] and there are plenty of
names: http://www.jewishmuseum.cz/en/adokuzo.htm

We are are a genealogy group and there are some very specific
projects in Bohemia and Moravia, which looked at on a "cost/benefit
basis", will be of more value to many of us in our lifetime [eg;
continuation of the Familianten records inc. vital data >from the
Moravian archives - where we have hardly anything].

I fear the Gold project would be for our [gt] grandchildren and
indeed they may not be interested! As German is far more accessible
to most of us than Czech - it is the Czech chapter of greatest
importance which should be targeted in Bohemia and Moravia. The
"bullet point" model used by Prague for their current work could be
used - ie a precis - but then that would be anathema to the Yizkor
Project.

There are probably 1,500 pages to translate in all. If we estimate a
week/page - there are many tables and proof-reading will be a
nightmare and require experts [plenty of footnotes too] - we arrive
at a rough estimate of 30 years! This may be an overestimate but I
doubt it. The cost would be prohibitive.

Surely all aspects of this project must be discussed very carefully
before we commit ourselves to a leviathan?

Celia Male [U.K.]