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Re: Name Changes before emigration from Ukraine... #ukraine

Jeff Knisbacher <jknisbac@...>
 

David,
Sorry for the late reply. I've been away for most of the last 5 weeks.
Interestingly our TISSENBAUM family was largely standardized to that
spelling here in the US. In Bedford, England, however, the more
Yiddish/Russian sounding TISINBOM was maintained. I do think that German
spelling was more prestigious over here, but am not sure about the
perception in Britain.

Jeff Knisbacher, Baltimore area

----- Original Message -----
From: David Goldman <davic@pop.erols.com>
To: Ukraine SIG <ukraine@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 9:37 AM
Subject: Name Changes before emigration >from Ukraine...


In my research, it has come to my attention that my great-grandfather,
Elyokum Zvi GROBERMAN, had the original last name of KRASINSKY before the
family left Ukraine for Manchester England in 1891. Evidently, GRUBERMAN
(which later became GROBERMAN)was the last name of a relative. >from what I
understand, Jews specifically wanted to switch their last names from
Russian-sounding ones to German-sounding ones at a time when Britain and
Germany were allies against Russia. How frequent did this situation occur,
and do others have this tradition also about German and Russian-sounding
names?

David Goldman


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Name Changes before emigration from Ukraine... #ukraine

Jeff Knisbacher <jknisbac@...>
 

David,
Sorry for the late reply. I've been away for most of the last 5 weeks.
Interestingly our TISSENBAUM family was largely standardized to that
spelling here in the US. In Bedford, England, however, the more
Yiddish/Russian sounding TISINBOM was maintained. I do think that German
spelling was more prestigious over here, but am not sure about the
perception in Britain.

Jeff Knisbacher, Baltimore area

----- Original Message -----
From: David Goldman <davic@pop.erols.com>
To: Ukraine SIG <ukraine@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 9:37 AM
Subject: Name Changes before emigration >from Ukraine...


In my research, it has come to my attention that my great-grandfather,
Elyokum Zvi GROBERMAN, had the original last name of KRASINSKY before the
family left Ukraine for Manchester England in 1891. Evidently, GRUBERMAN
(which later became GROBERMAN)was the last name of a relative. >from what I
understand, Jews specifically wanted to switch their last names from
Russian-sounding ones to German-sounding ones at a time when Britain and
Germany were allies against Russia. How frequent did this situation occur,
and do others have this tradition also about German and Russian-sounding
names?

David Goldman


Re: SIPERSTEIN - Orinin, Kamenets-Podolsk #ukraine

Jeff Knisbacher <jknisbac@...>
 

Hi Paul,
I have been out of the office for most of the last 5 weeks, which is
the reason for the delay in responding to you. We are very much interested
in SIPERSTEIN/SAPPERSTEIN >from Ukraine and nearbhy Khotin. In fact, I
suspect that I and Laurie Siperstein-Cook on the cc list above are the
people listed in JewishGen that you refer to. Any additional info you can
provide, with regard to either the Minneapolis or Israel connection, will
be greatly appreciated.

Jeff Knisbacher, Baltimore area

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Wolf <pwolf1@san.rr.com>
To: Ukraine SIG <ukraine@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: SIPERSTEIN - Orinin, Kamenets-Podolsk


My pediatrician in Minneapolis, MN, who also took care of my oldest
daughter was David M. Siperstein. I know very little about his family
other
than he had a daughter, Eleanor, who was a medical researcher in Texas.

At 12:44 PM 9/16/2000 -0600, you wrote:
X-From_: bbrazy@sirius.com Fri Sep 15 22:29:20 2000
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 21:29:21 -0700
From: Betsy Brazy <bbrazy@sirius.com>
One of my surname researches is my maternal grandmother's branch, the
SIPERSTEINs of Pinsk. Yesterday I received email >from a woman, Suzy, in
Israel asking whether we might be related, as she knows of no other
SIPERSTEINs in Israel. I learned >from her note that she was >from Hotin
Basarabia and survived - along with her brother and parents -
concentration camps in the Ukraine.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: SIPERSTEIN - Orinin, Kamenets-Podolsk #ukraine

Jeff Knisbacher <jknisbac@...>
 

Hi Paul,
I have been out of the office for most of the last 5 weeks, which is
the reason for the delay in responding to you. We are very much interested
in SIPERSTEIN/SAPPERSTEIN >from Ukraine and nearbhy Khotin. In fact, I
suspect that I and Laurie Siperstein-Cook on the cc list above are the
people listed in JewishGen that you refer to. Any additional info you can
provide, with regard to either the Minneapolis or Israel connection, will
be greatly appreciated.

Jeff Knisbacher, Baltimore area

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Wolf <pwolf1@san.rr.com>
To: Ukraine SIG <ukraine@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: SIPERSTEIN - Orinin, Kamenets-Podolsk


My pediatrician in Minneapolis, MN, who also took care of my oldest
daughter was David M. Siperstein. I know very little about his family
other
than he had a daughter, Eleanor, who was a medical researcher in Texas.

At 12:44 PM 9/16/2000 -0600, you wrote:
X-From_: bbrazy@sirius.com Fri Sep 15 22:29:20 2000
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 21:29:21 -0700
From: Betsy Brazy <bbrazy@sirius.com>
One of my surname researches is my maternal grandmother's branch, the
SIPERSTEINs of Pinsk. Yesterday I received email >from a woman, Suzy, in
Israel asking whether we might be related, as she knows of no other
SIPERSTEINs in Israel. I learned >from her note that she was >from Hotin
Basarabia and survived - along with her brother and parents -
concentration camps in the Ukraine.


new mail #general

Jewel Fishkin <XJEWELX@...>
 

My new email in the next few days will be: xjewelx@dellnet.com
Keep in touch Jewel

xjewelx@webtv.net


Fw: Naturalization and Denization Records at the Public Record Office in London--Kamenetz Podolsk/Botosani connection? #ukraine

Jeff Knisbacher <jknisbac@...>
 

Hi all,

The first day of my trip to London that began a few weeks ago was
devoted to finding a naturalization form for a presumed ancestral
cousin, Benjamin TISINBOM. Information at the Public Record Office (near
the Kew Gardens underground station, not all that far >from Heathrow
airport), indicated that most aliens never bothered with either
naturalization (full rights of citizenship) or "denization" (which
allowed one to own property but not inherit it) because it was a very
expensive process. In fact the information document said specifically
that only the rich ever attempted it. Since I knew that this likely
cousin had been a successful business man in Bedford (some 50 miles
north of London in the Midlands section of England) running an ice cream
parlor and several confectionery establishments, I was still hopeful,
but by no means confident. Luckily he was, in fact, rich and did apply
for and receive his naturalization in 1913, the year of my father's
birth and the year that my maternal grandfather (whose mother was a
TISSENBAUM, where the presumed connection comes in) arrived in the U.S.

The process was, indeed, complicated. It required five native born
Englishmen to swear to the good character of the applicant and the fact
that he had lived in England for 5 of the last 8 years as required by
English law. It also required a police report, certifying the accuracy
of the application form itself and the truthfulness of all the
witnesses, as well as various other documents and a 2 pound fee
(possibly equal to $100 in today's money?) submitted by a professional
"solicitor". Most of these original documents were located, in a neatly
tied bundle, which the PRO will copy for you for about 50 pence (75
cents a page, if I remember correctly).

I will only reproduce here the text of the application itself
(referred to in this document as a "memorial", where the applicant is
referred to as the "memorialist"):

"The humble Memorial of Benjamin Tisinbom at Number 5 Prebend Street,
Bedford in the County of Bedford an Alien.

Sheweth

1. That your Memorialist is a Natural-born Subject of the Kingdon of
Roumania, that he was born at Botosani, Roumania and his parents names
were Benjamin Tisinbom and Zinae Tisinbom both of whom were Roumanians.
Benjamin Tisinbom the Father died in Roumania in 1866. The mother
re-married in London one [sic] an Englisman called Sinfield who is dead,
she lives at 67 Erie Street, Mile End Road, London.

2. That your Memorialist's name is Benjamin Tisinbom, that he resides at
Number 5 Prebend Street, Bedford aforesaid, that he is of the age of
forty six years, having been born on the seventh day of August 1866 and
that he is by trade a confectioner.

3. That your Memorialist is married and has four children only, all of
whom are under age and live with their parents. Their names and ages are
as follows:
Pauline Tisinbom born 21st December 1897 age 15
Marx [known subsequently as John] Tisinbom born 24th August 1899 age 13
John Herman [known as Herman] Tisinbom born 16th Augst 1904 age 8
Doris Tisinbom born 11th February 1908 age 5.

4. That during the period of eight years immediately preceding this
Application your Memorialist has for five years resided within the
United Kingdom namely

from 1st June 1908 to 1st June 1913 at Number 5 Prebend Street Bedford
aforesaid

5. That you Memorialist intends to continue to reside permanently within
the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland

Because he has lived in the United Kingdom since 1887. That he has
married an English speaking wife his children speak English only and he
has been comforatable and happy during his continous residence of twenty
six years in the United Kingdom.

6. That the grounds on which your Memorialist seeks to obtain the rights
and capacities of a Natural-born British Subject are as follows--

Because he is determined to remain in the United Kingdom for the
rest of his life and he desires his children to have all the privileges
of a natural born British subject. He is desirous of adopting the
nationality of the nation which received him and gave him shelter when
persecuted for his Religion by the Roumanians.

Your Memorialist therefore humbly prays that a Certificate of
Naturalization under the provisions of the Statute 33 Victoria Cap. 134
intituled "An Act to amend the Law realting to the Legal Condition of
Aliens and British Subjects" may be granted to him.
And your Memorialist will ever pray &c.
Benjamin Tisinbom"

A couple of quick comments. First, much of this document was in
Benjamin's own hand, very clearly, almost elegantly written. Second, we
still have no idea why he came to the UK in the first place and whether
he came before his mother, or vice versa. We also have no information on
the unnamed "Sinfield" that his mother remarried, or whether any
children resulted >from that union, although I did find a cleaning
establishment run by a Sinfield family in the Mile End area of London in
a 1913 city directory. Third, I still do not know the exact connection
with the TISSENBAUMs of Kamenetz Podolsk but am more convinced than ever
that there is one since Botosani (Jewish pop. of nearly 12,000 in 1920
as per Where Once We Walked) is in the northeast corner of Romania, not
very far >from Kamenetz, in the SW corner of Ukraine that borders
Romania. In a visit with my cousin Michael Henman, grandson of Benjamin
TISINBOM (who hosted us most graciously), I was given a copy of the
Ketubah (wedding certificate) for Benjamin and his wife Esther Cohen
(>from 1896, in the Great Synagogue in London, which was destroyed by
Nazi bombing raids during the war). I was also given a magnificent
tooled ivory and velvel covered Siddur (prayer book), printed in
Budapest in 1893 and giving the prayers in Hebrew and an English
translation, with occasional readers' notes in Yiddish. Where or how
either Benjamin or Esther came by this book is open to speculation.
Since Benjamin was in England >from 1887, he may have purchased the book
in England (which may have been produced for sale to the Jewish market
in England). Alternatively, maybe Esther was Hungarian and brought the
book with her. Any information that others can supply on these or
related matters will be most appreciated.
Jeff Knisbacher,
Owings Mills, MD


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen new mail #general

Jewel Fishkin <XJEWELX@...>
 

My new email in the next few days will be: xjewelx@dellnet.com
Keep in touch Jewel

xjewelx@webtv.net


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Fw: Naturalization and Denization Records at the Public Record Office in London--Kamenetz Podolsk/Botosani connection? #ukraine

Jeff Knisbacher <jknisbac@...>
 

Hi all,

The first day of my trip to London that began a few weeks ago was
devoted to finding a naturalization form for a presumed ancestral
cousin, Benjamin TISINBOM. Information at the Public Record Office (near
the Kew Gardens underground station, not all that far >from Heathrow
airport), indicated that most aliens never bothered with either
naturalization (full rights of citizenship) or "denization" (which
allowed one to own property but not inherit it) because it was a very
expensive process. In fact the information document said specifically
that only the rich ever attempted it. Since I knew that this likely
cousin had been a successful business man in Bedford (some 50 miles
north of London in the Midlands section of England) running an ice cream
parlor and several confectionery establishments, I was still hopeful,
but by no means confident. Luckily he was, in fact, rich and did apply
for and receive his naturalization in 1913, the year of my father's
birth and the year that my maternal grandfather (whose mother was a
TISSENBAUM, where the presumed connection comes in) arrived in the U.S.

The process was, indeed, complicated. It required five native born
Englishmen to swear to the good character of the applicant and the fact
that he had lived in England for 5 of the last 8 years as required by
English law. It also required a police report, certifying the accuracy
of the application form itself and the truthfulness of all the
witnesses, as well as various other documents and a 2 pound fee
(possibly equal to $100 in today's money?) submitted by a professional
"solicitor". Most of these original documents were located, in a neatly
tied bundle, which the PRO will copy for you for about 50 pence (75
cents a page, if I remember correctly).

I will only reproduce here the text of the application itself
(referred to in this document as a "memorial", where the applicant is
referred to as the "memorialist"):

"The humble Memorial of Benjamin Tisinbom at Number 5 Prebend Street,
Bedford in the County of Bedford an Alien.

Sheweth

1. That your Memorialist is a Natural-born Subject of the Kingdon of
Roumania, that he was born at Botosani, Roumania and his parents names
were Benjamin Tisinbom and Zinae Tisinbom both of whom were Roumanians.
Benjamin Tisinbom the Father died in Roumania in 1866. The mother
re-married in London one [sic] an Englisman called Sinfield who is dead,
she lives at 67 Erie Street, Mile End Road, London.

2. That your Memorialist's name is Benjamin Tisinbom, that he resides at
Number 5 Prebend Street, Bedford aforesaid, that he is of the age of
forty six years, having been born on the seventh day of August 1866 and
that he is by trade a confectioner.

3. That your Memorialist is married and has four children only, all of
whom are under age and live with their parents. Their names and ages are
as follows:
Pauline Tisinbom born 21st December 1897 age 15
Marx [known subsequently as John] Tisinbom born 24th August 1899 age 13
John Herman [known as Herman] Tisinbom born 16th Augst 1904 age 8
Doris Tisinbom born 11th February 1908 age 5.

4. That during the period of eight years immediately preceding this
Application your Memorialist has for five years resided within the
United Kingdom namely

from 1st June 1908 to 1st June 1913 at Number 5 Prebend Street Bedford
aforesaid

5. That you Memorialist intends to continue to reside permanently within
the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland

Because he has lived in the United Kingdom since 1887. That he has
married an English speaking wife his children speak English only and he
has been comforatable and happy during his continous residence of twenty
six years in the United Kingdom.

6. That the grounds on which your Memorialist seeks to obtain the rights
and capacities of a Natural-born British Subject are as follows--

Because he is determined to remain in the United Kingdom for the
rest of his life and he desires his children to have all the privileges
of a natural born British subject. He is desirous of adopting the
nationality of the nation which received him and gave him shelter when
persecuted for his Religion by the Roumanians.

Your Memorialist therefore humbly prays that a Certificate of
Naturalization under the provisions of the Statute 33 Victoria Cap. 134
intituled "An Act to amend the Law realting to the Legal Condition of
Aliens and British Subjects" may be granted to him.
And your Memorialist will ever pray &c.
Benjamin Tisinbom"

A couple of quick comments. First, much of this document was in
Benjamin's own hand, very clearly, almost elegantly written. Second, we
still have no idea why he came to the UK in the first place and whether
he came before his mother, or vice versa. We also have no information on
the unnamed "Sinfield" that his mother remarried, or whether any
children resulted >from that union, although I did find a cleaning
establishment run by a Sinfield family in the Mile End area of London in
a 1913 city directory. Third, I still do not know the exact connection
with the TISSENBAUMs of Kamenetz Podolsk but am more convinced than ever
that there is one since Botosani (Jewish pop. of nearly 12,000 in 1920
as per Where Once We Walked) is in the northeast corner of Romania, not
very far >from Kamenetz, in the SW corner of Ukraine that borders
Romania. In a visit with my cousin Michael Henman, grandson of Benjamin
TISINBOM (who hosted us most graciously), I was given a copy of the
Ketubah (wedding certificate) for Benjamin and his wife Esther Cohen
(>from 1896, in the Great Synagogue in London, which was destroyed by
Nazi bombing raids during the war). I was also given a magnificent
tooled ivory and velvel covered Siddur (prayer book), printed in
Budapest in 1893 and giving the prayers in Hebrew and an English
translation, with occasional readers' notes in Yiddish. Where or how
either Benjamin or Esther came by this book is open to speculation.
Since Benjamin was in England >from 1887, he may have purchased the book
in England (which may have been produced for sale to the Jewish market
in England). Alternatively, maybe Esther was Hungarian and brought the
book with her. Any information that others can supply on these or
related matters will be most appreciated.
Jeff Knisbacher,
Owings Mills, MD


Starobin Landsmanschaft #general

KissenaBlvd@...
 

I have a copy of a 'Souvenir Book' issued in 1936 by the Progressive
Starobiner Benevolent Association to commemorate the landsmanschaft's 35th
anniversary. The book has two lists of members -- one in English and one
in Yiddish. The lists are similar, but not identical.

Following are the surnames found on one or both lists:
A - Abramowitz, Amkowitz; B - Blank, Blevitsky, Blum, Blumenfeld,
Bobrowsky, Brodel, Brodotsky, Brodowsky, Brodsky, Butler; C - Chechik,
Chenkman, Chinitz, Cohen; D - Domenikofsky, Doroshinky, Dubin, Dubinett,
Dukoff; F - Feder, Feinberg, Feldsher, Findrush, Finkelstein, Fleishman,
Fridman, Fried, Friedenberg; G - Gabriel, Garfinkel, Gold, Goldin,
Goldsmith, Goldstein, Golowoy, Gordon, Greenwald; H - Hamnikowsky, Hanikel,
Herbsman, Hershowitz, Hirshowitz, Honig, Horowitz; J - Jacobs; K - Kahn,
Kaminsky, Kanet, Kantor, Kaplan, Kaufman, King, Krasnitz, Krevitsky,
Kroinus; L - Lansing, Leibowitz, Lelchuk, Leon, Levin, Levy, Liberman,
Lifrak, Lipshitz, Lubinstein; M - Malkus, Markov, Marshak, Mednick, Meisel,
Melnick, Milkowitz, Mitchel, Montauk, Moskalik, Moskowitz, Mushitzer; N -
Newman, Novick; O - Oliver, Oser, Ostrofsky; P - Paley, Pasamanick,
Pindrush, Piser, Polak, Port; R - Rabinowitz, Rapaport, Ratner, Ratshin,
Ravitch, Rheingold, Rhinegold, Rivin, Rubinson, Rubnitz; S - Sadoff,
Sadowsky, Schneider, Schwartz, Schweidelson, Seiman, Selikowitz, Shapiro,
Sheinkman, Shevrin, Shiplakoff, Shwerden, Silver, Silverman, Simon,
Slutsky, Smith, Starr, Sterling, Stessen, Sulin; T - Tepperman, Turetsky; W
- Warshal, Waxman, Wedlock, Weiner, Welkind, Wishnofsky, Wolfson; Y -
Yachnitz.

For further information contact me privately.

Ira Leibowitz
KissenaBlvd@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Starobin Landsmanschaft #general

KissenaBlvd@...
 

I have a copy of a 'Souvenir Book' issued in 1936 by the Progressive
Starobiner Benevolent Association to commemorate the landsmanschaft's 35th
anniversary. The book has two lists of members -- one in English and one
in Yiddish. The lists are similar, but not identical.

Following are the surnames found on one or both lists:
A - Abramowitz, Amkowitz; B - Blank, Blevitsky, Blum, Blumenfeld,
Bobrowsky, Brodel, Brodotsky, Brodowsky, Brodsky, Butler; C - Chechik,
Chenkman, Chinitz, Cohen; D - Domenikofsky, Doroshinky, Dubin, Dubinett,
Dukoff; F - Feder, Feinberg, Feldsher, Findrush, Finkelstein, Fleishman,
Fridman, Fried, Friedenberg; G - Gabriel, Garfinkel, Gold, Goldin,
Goldsmith, Goldstein, Golowoy, Gordon, Greenwald; H - Hamnikowsky, Hanikel,
Herbsman, Hershowitz, Hirshowitz, Honig, Horowitz; J - Jacobs; K - Kahn,
Kaminsky, Kanet, Kantor, Kaplan, Kaufman, King, Krasnitz, Krevitsky,
Kroinus; L - Lansing, Leibowitz, Lelchuk, Leon, Levin, Levy, Liberman,
Lifrak, Lipshitz, Lubinstein; M - Malkus, Markov, Marshak, Mednick, Meisel,
Melnick, Milkowitz, Mitchel, Montauk, Moskalik, Moskowitz, Mushitzer; N -
Newman, Novick; O - Oliver, Oser, Ostrofsky; P - Paley, Pasamanick,
Pindrush, Piser, Polak, Port; R - Rabinowitz, Rapaport, Ratner, Ratshin,
Ravitch, Rheingold, Rhinegold, Rivin, Rubinson, Rubnitz; S - Sadoff,
Sadowsky, Schneider, Schwartz, Schweidelson, Seiman, Selikowitz, Shapiro,
Sheinkman, Shevrin, Shiplakoff, Shwerden, Silver, Silverman, Simon,
Slutsky, Smith, Starr, Sterling, Stessen, Sulin; T - Tepperman, Turetsky; W
- Warshal, Waxman, Wedlock, Weiner, Welkind, Wishnofsky, Wolfson; Y -
Yachnitz.

For further information contact me privately.

Ira Leibowitz
KissenaBlvd@aol.com


The Origin Mystery #ukraine

Joan Rosen <jrosen@...>
 

My father's four sisters tried without success to elicit >from their
immigrant father any information beyond the name of the town where he
originated. He consistently replied with an immigrant's version of "that
was then, this is now." He did not want to talk about life there or even
more distant family who did not emigrate. His mission here was to become an
American and pretend it was always thus, never realizing just how thick an
accent he had!

Perhaps if he had lived a normal life span (he died in his late 50s) he
might have mellowed some. Lack of information in this case is not because
he did not have an interested audience.

Joan
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Joan Rosen
jrosen@voicenet.com
Elkins Park, Pa (outside Philadelphia)


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine The Origin Mystery #ukraine

Joan Rosen <jrosen@...>
 

My father's four sisters tried without success to elicit >from their
immigrant father any information beyond the name of the town where he
originated. He consistently replied with an immigrant's version of "that
was then, this is now." He did not want to talk about life there or even
more distant family who did not emigrate. His mission here was to become an
American and pretend it was always thus, never realizing just how thick an
accent he had!

Perhaps if he had lived a normal life span (he died in his late 50s) he
might have mellowed some. Lack of information in this case is not because
he did not have an interested audience.

Joan
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Joan Rosen
jrosen@voicenet.com
Elkins Park, Pa (outside Philadelphia)


Re: The origin mystery #ukraine

DREIMAN <m4fab4@...>
 

The word "SHIL" is Yiddish for synagogue or center of Jewish learning

----- Original Message -----
From: P. Gowans <p2g@bigpond.com>
To: Ukraine SIG <ukraine@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 7:25 PM
Subject: [ukraine] RE: The origin mystery
I'd like to add another dimension to the origin mystery, and that is the
problem those of us with Jewish parents, or one Jewish parent, who married
a non-Jew and have, for whatever reason, little or no knowledge of Jewish
tradition or history to draw on. If it weren't for this this and other
lists, I'd never have heard of the word "shtetl", but it is possible that
my grandfather's family came >from one named "Shil". This list has been
helpful,
but there's always a small sense of not fitting in or not belonging that
accompanies my search for these lost ancestors. I'd say be patient with us
help us put together the missing pieces.

Thanks,
Paula Schiller Gowans
Sydney, Australia


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: The origin mystery #ukraine

DREIMAN <m4fab4@...>
 

The word "SHIL" is Yiddish for synagogue or center of Jewish learning

----- Original Message -----
From: P. Gowans <p2g@bigpond.com>
To: Ukraine SIG <ukraine@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 7:25 PM
Subject: [ukraine] RE: The origin mystery
I'd like to add another dimension to the origin mystery, and that is the
problem those of us with Jewish parents, or one Jewish parent, who married
a non-Jew and have, for whatever reason, little or no knowledge of Jewish
tradition or history to draw on. If it weren't for this this and other
lists, I'd never have heard of the word "shtetl", but it is possible that
my grandfather's family came >from one named "Shil". This list has been
helpful,
but there's always a small sense of not fitting in or not belonging that
accompanies my search for these lost ancestors. I'd say be patient with us
help us put together the missing pieces.

Thanks,
Paula Schiller Gowans
Sydney, Australia


Surnames; Registration on the JGFF #ukraine

Phyllis Kramer <phylliskramer1@...>
 

I noticed that folks were posting queries on the WEXLER Surname...
so while i was doing some research anyway, I looked through the
JewishGen Family Finder, ( http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff )
but couldnt find either of the two folks listed in the Family
Finder.

That puzzles me...why conduct the search on this discussion group,
yet not register on the JewishGen family finder??

Isn't that the best way to reach thousands of researchers?

Regards,
Phyllis (phylliskramer1@att.net) of Wilton & Savannah

Searching KRAMER, WISNER, BEIM >from JASIENICA, Galicia
STECHER, TRACHMAN, FEIR, KORNREICH >from ZMIGROD,Galicia
http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlinks/zmigrod/zmigrod.htm
LINDNER, MAUER, BERLIN, EICHEL >from ROHATYN, Galicia and YASI
http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlinks/rohatyn/rohatyn.htm
GUMBRECHT, ZIEGLER >from Hannover, Germany


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Surnames; Registration on the JGFF #ukraine

Phyllis Kramer <phylliskramer1@...>
 

I noticed that folks were posting queries on the WEXLER Surname...
so while i was doing some research anyway, I looked through the
JewishGen Family Finder, ( http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff )
but couldnt find either of the two folks listed in the Family
Finder.

That puzzles me...why conduct the search on this discussion group,
yet not register on the JewishGen family finder??

Isn't that the best way to reach thousands of researchers?

Regards,
Phyllis (phylliskramer1@att.net) of Wilton & Savannah

Searching KRAMER, WISNER, BEIM >from JASIENICA, Galicia
STECHER, TRACHMAN, FEIR, KORNREICH >from ZMIGROD,Galicia
http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlinks/zmigrod/zmigrod.htm
LINDNER, MAUER, BERLIN, EICHEL >from ROHATYN, Galicia and YASI
http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlinks/rohatyn/rohatyn.htm
GUMBRECHT, ZIEGLER >from Hannover, Germany


Re: Photographs of Berezhany #ukraine

Roman Zakharii <zr@...>
 

To Carol Raspler:
Thanks for your comment. But at my site about Berezhany, I have included
whole collection of Berezhany area maps, just look at it more carefully,
there are maps both modern and pre war:
www.personal.ceu.hu/students/97/Roman_Zakharii/berezhany.htm
Regards,
Roman Zakharii
Oslo, Norway, zr@uni.de

At 15:16 30.10.2000 +0000, you wrote:
Dear Friend: I want to compliment you on the excellent work you did your
your town site. But, can you tell me where there is a MAP that I can
look at to see where, exactly, Berezhany is/was? We are interested in
the district around Sambor, Thanks!
Carol Raspler, Delray
Beach, Florida


Yablonofsky #ukraine

Megan Cytron <megan@...>
 

Does anyone know what the name "YABLONOFSKY" means? Any information would be
greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Megan Cytron
Washington, DC

Volhynia
--------
TOWNS: Belogorodka, Shumsk, Lachervitz, Belgor'ye, Slavuta
SURNAMES: CYTRON, LEDERMAN, LERNER, SHANKER, KASFIR, GASMER

Kiev
----
TOWNS: Katerinopol, Zvenigorodka
NAMES: YABLONOFSKY, DREBIN, SHOPSATREIBA


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Photographs of Berezhany #ukraine

Roman Zakharii <zr@...>
 

To Carol Raspler:
Thanks for your comment. But at my site about Berezhany, I have included
whole collection of Berezhany area maps, just look at it more carefully,
there are maps both modern and pre war:
www.personal.ceu.hu/students/97/Roman_Zakharii/berezhany.htm
Regards,
Roman Zakharii
Oslo, Norway, zr@uni.de

At 15:16 30.10.2000 +0000, you wrote:
Dear Friend: I want to compliment you on the excellent work you did your
your town site. But, can you tell me where there is a MAP that I can
look at to see where, exactly, Berezhany is/was? We are interested in
the district around Sambor, Thanks!
Carol Raspler, Delray
Beach, Florida


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Yablonofsky #ukraine

Megan Cytron <megan@...>
 

Does anyone know what the name "YABLONOFSKY" means? Any information would be
greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Megan Cytron
Washington, DC

Volhynia
--------
TOWNS: Belogorodka, Shumsk, Lachervitz, Belgor'ye, Slavuta
SURNAMES: CYTRON, LEDERMAN, LERNER, SHANKER, KASFIR, GASMER

Kiev
----
TOWNS: Katerinopol, Zvenigorodka
NAMES: YABLONOFSKY, DREBIN, SHOPSATREIBA