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Re: The origin mystery #ukraine

Maybug <maybug@...>
 

Hi,
I was in a similar position, not knowing the wheres of the original
immigrant generation until I found my gf's naturalization papers. Although
they arrived in 1886, his naturalization occurred in 1909 when they asked
for birthplace of applicant, spouse, and children. So in that single
document, I found what had been mystery.

Regards,
Barbara Harris

[Original Message]
From: <GojuMom@aol.com>
To: Ukraine SIG <ukraine@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Date: 10/29/00 6:06:39 PM
Subject: [ukraine] Re: The origin mystery

Joseph Rothenberg writes:

"Are others experiencing my general sense that when Jews arrived in this
country (my family about 1880) they tended not to ever talk about their
town of origin or what the old country was like to their children"

My maternal grandparents arrived in the US in 1882 and 1883. They had 8
children, four of whom I knew, in addition to my grandmother - four
lived well into their 90's. I never heard any of them speak of where the
family came from. Even my mother didn't know. It was only when I tracked
down a ship manifest and census records and identified they came from
"Russian-Poland" did my mother remember she had heard a variation of
Polish as a child. (I still don't know WHERE they came >from and there is
no one left to ask).
All I know about my maternal grandfather was that he was born "somewhere
in Russia". My mother didn't know where and he died in 1946....also no
one left to ask (but I am trying to trace him).
My father was born in Zhivotov, Tarastcha district of Kiev Guberniya
in 1918 (a shtetl 93.7 miles SSW of Kiev). His parents "escaped"
shortly after his birth, lived with family in Romania for a few years
and they all eventually came to the US. My father arrived, age 4, in
1922. Thankfully,he saved the original immigration papers and passport
(even a few photos). This family talked a little of the "old country".
But most of what I learned was >from stories my father told. My
grandparents never spoke of the "old country" to the grandchildren and
we were too young to ask. But their children heard alot. When my father
began to forget things, I began doing genealogy. I realized if I didn't
write things down, they would be lost (like in my mother's family).
Fortunately, there were enough of my father's cousins who I could talk
with and share all our information with my cousins - connecting 4
generations.
While we are spread all over the US, at least my son and the children of
my cousins will know about their ancestors and where our family came
from.
JoAnne Vanett
Ambler, PA

Searching:
ALTKRUG, FREIMARK, ZURANSKY, >from Northeastern Poland between Lomza and
Suwalki. FUHRMAN >from "somewhere in Russia" to Camden, NJ and
Philadelphia, PA
VENETZKY (VINNITSKII), ROSENERG, BELENKY, GRIMBURG, FEINGOLD, ALTMAN,
SHALYAKER >from Zhivotov. OROWITZ/ HOROWITZ, SOLOSITSKY, BOZNESKY, MAYLR
from Tetiev. HOSSMAN, GOMBERG >from the same general area

maybug
maybug@earthlink.net


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: The origin mystery #ukraine

Maybug <maybug@...>
 

Hi,
I was in a similar position, not knowing the wheres of the original
immigrant generation until I found my gf's naturalization papers. Although
they arrived in 1886, his naturalization occurred in 1909 when they asked
for birthplace of applicant, spouse, and children. So in that single
document, I found what had been mystery.

Regards,
Barbara Harris

[Original Message]
From: <GojuMom@aol.com>
To: Ukraine SIG <ukraine@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Date: 10/29/00 6:06:39 PM
Subject: [ukraine] Re: The origin mystery

Joseph Rothenberg writes:

"Are others experiencing my general sense that when Jews arrived in this
country (my family about 1880) they tended not to ever talk about their
town of origin or what the old country was like to their children"

My maternal grandparents arrived in the US in 1882 and 1883. They had 8
children, four of whom I knew, in addition to my grandmother - four
lived well into their 90's. I never heard any of them speak of where the
family came from. Even my mother didn't know. It was only when I tracked
down a ship manifest and census records and identified they came from
"Russian-Poland" did my mother remember she had heard a variation of
Polish as a child. (I still don't know WHERE they came >from and there is
no one left to ask).
All I know about my maternal grandfather was that he was born "somewhere
in Russia". My mother didn't know where and he died in 1946....also no
one left to ask (but I am trying to trace him).
My father was born in Zhivotov, Tarastcha district of Kiev Guberniya
in 1918 (a shtetl 93.7 miles SSW of Kiev). His parents "escaped"
shortly after his birth, lived with family in Romania for a few years
and they all eventually came to the US. My father arrived, age 4, in
1922. Thankfully,he saved the original immigration papers and passport
(even a few photos). This family talked a little of the "old country".
But most of what I learned was >from stories my father told. My
grandparents never spoke of the "old country" to the grandchildren and
we were too young to ask. But their children heard alot. When my father
began to forget things, I began doing genealogy. I realized if I didn't
write things down, they would be lost (like in my mother's family).
Fortunately, there were enough of my father's cousins who I could talk
with and share all our information with my cousins - connecting 4
generations.
While we are spread all over the US, at least my son and the children of
my cousins will know about their ancestors and where our family came
from.
JoAnne Vanett
Ambler, PA

Searching:
ALTKRUG, FREIMARK, ZURANSKY, >from Northeastern Poland between Lomza and
Suwalki. FUHRMAN >from "somewhere in Russia" to Camden, NJ and
Philadelphia, PA
VENETZKY (VINNITSKII), ROSENERG, BELENKY, GRIMBURG, FEINGOLD, ALTMAN,
SHALYAKER >from Zhivotov. OROWITZ/ HOROWITZ, SOLOSITSKY, BOZNESKY, MAYLR
from Tetiev. HOSSMAN, GOMBERG >from the same general area

maybug
maybug@earthlink.net


Re: The origin mystery #ukraine

Maybug <maybug@...>
 

Hello Joseph,

I could have written your query verbatim as it is only one month ago that I
found my grandparents' towns of origin (via naturalization papers). Now if
I only knew which of the 19 or so Terespols I'm looking for... Or my
grandmother's maiden name for certain...

Barbara Harris


[Original Message]
From: <JRothen318@aol.com>
To: Ukraine SIG <ukraine@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Date: 10/28/00 8:12:06 PM
Subject: [ukraine] The origin mystery
Are others experiencing my general sense that when Jews arrived in this
country (my family about 1880) they tended not to ever talk about their
town of origin or what the old country was like to their children - let
alone their children's children. No one in our family ever knew our town
of origin until I found it after some research about a month ago - it was
a complete mystery to all of us (and there are plenty of us).

Joseph Rothenberg
Belle Harbor, New York
maybug
maybug@earthlink.net


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: The origin mystery #ukraine

Maybug <maybug@...>
 

Hello Joseph,

I could have written your query verbatim as it is only one month ago that I
found my grandparents' towns of origin (via naturalization papers). Now if
I only knew which of the 19 or so Terespols I'm looking for... Or my
grandmother's maiden name for certain...

Barbara Harris


[Original Message]
From: <JRothen318@aol.com>
To: Ukraine SIG <ukraine@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Date: 10/28/00 8:12:06 PM
Subject: [ukraine] The origin mystery
Are others experiencing my general sense that when Jews arrived in this
country (my family about 1880) they tended not to ever talk about their
town of origin or what the old country was like to their children - let
alone their children's children. No one in our family ever knew our town
of origin until I found it after some research about a month ago - it was
a complete mystery to all of us (and there are plenty of us).

Joseph Rothenberg
Belle Harbor, New York
maybug
maybug@earthlink.net


ANNOUNCING - ViewMate #ukraine

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He then posts a notice to the JewishGen Discussion Group (or SIG of his
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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine ANNOUNCING - ViewMate #ukraine

FREYAB@...
 

Advance your research with ViewMate!

Do you have a need for analysis or translations of book titles, letters
or gravestone photos? Do you have questions about old family photos,
maps or book pages? ViewMate is JewishGen's newest tool, designed to
supplement the written query, and help you to solve graphic riddles.
Here is an example of how it works. Follow along now with Jack, our
demonstrator.


Jack finds an unidentified family photo with an inscription on the back,
written in what appears to be Hebrew script.

He scans it on his home PC system, creating a graphic file.

Then he goes to the ViewMate (VM) website. Using the easy upload feature,
he uploads his graphic file to VM. Jack soon receives an e-mail
confirmation with a file number.

He then posts a notice to the JewishGen Discussion Group (or SIG of his
choice) stating that he has uploaded a photo to VM. He requests someone
knowledgeable in Hebrew to visit the VM website, view his graphic
(File No. X) and translate it for him.

An eager reader will be quick to provide feedback. Eager reader responds
with translation. Riddle solved. Jack adds new info to his tree.


Its as easy as 1-2-3.
1- Scan on your home PC system.
2- Upload to ViewMate.
3- Request feedback.

You are invited to visit us today to make use of this newest JewishGen
tool. The site has FAQ and full instructions.

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Original concept: Bernard I. Kouchel
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Webmaster: Josef A. Herz


tombstone correct picture reposted #ukraine

SRivkin742@...
 

Thanks - I posted the wrong picture [the husband instead of the wife]
I have reposted. http://members.aol.com/srivkin742/peshe.jpg

Thanks,
Steve Rivkin


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine tombstone correct picture reposted #ukraine

SRivkin742@...
 

Thanks - I posted the wrong picture [the husband instead of the wife]
I have reposted. http://members.aol.com/srivkin742/peshe.jpg

Thanks,
Steve Rivkin


Re: Info,anyone re "CUKIER" #ukraine

Leslie Oberman <oberman@...>
 

G'Day William,

May I suggest you write to
Chevra Kadisha Melbourne
Jewish Funeral Society,
Director,
Mr. Ephraim Finch,
115 Inkerman Street,
St. Kilda, Victoria 3182.
tel: +613 9534 0208

You will find the addresses and telephone numbers for the CUKIER families
in Melbourne the capitol city of the state of Victoria on the web site
<http://www.whitepages.com.au>.

Regards
Leslie Oberman
President,
Australian Jewish Genealogical Society Victoria Inc.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Info,anyone re "CUKIER" #ukraine

Leslie Oberman <oberman@...>
 

G'Day William,

May I suggest you write to
Chevra Kadisha Melbourne
Jewish Funeral Society,
Director,
Mr. Ephraim Finch,
115 Inkerman Street,
St. Kilda, Victoria 3182.
tel: +613 9534 0208

You will find the addresses and telephone numbers for the CUKIER families
in Melbourne the capitol city of the state of Victoria on the web site
<http://www.whitepages.com.au>.

Regards
Leslie Oberman
President,
Australian Jewish Genealogical Society Victoria Inc.


Locating : "Cukier" #ukraine

Raanan S Isseroff <raanan1@...>
 

BS"D

Mr. Zucker,
I am also >from Buffalo originally.
I would suggest doing a country by country search of the white pages,
trying a few different spellings. For the US and Canada, I would
recommend "Anywho".
For Israel I believe it is "Modi'in" or else search under : Israel
Telephone Numbers.

All the best,

Raanan S. Isseroff
Brooklyn, USA


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Locating : "Cukier" #ukraine

Raanan S Isseroff <raanan1@...>
 

BS"D

Mr. Zucker,
I am also >from Buffalo originally.
I would suggest doing a country by country search of the white pages,
trying a few different spellings. For the US and Canada, I would
recommend "Anywho".
For Israel I believe it is "Modi'in" or else search under : Israel
Telephone Numbers.

All the best,

Raanan S. Isseroff
Brooklyn, USA


Brick Wall #ukraine

SBernst579@...
 

I am researching the BARANSHTEYN/BERNSTEIN and BAUMELMAN/BOMMELMAN family,
from Labun and Polonnoye. The only two sibblings I have records for are
Libel and Gershko BARANSHTEYN, sons of Leyba. I have a photo of Leyba's(my
greatgrandfather)grave stone indicating his death in 1930. Given that
they were an Orthodox family, I would be surprised if there were not
additional children, but have thus far been unable to find any.. Lieb
immigrated to the U.S and lived his entire life in Chicago, and
GERSHKO/HARRIS, immigrated to the U.K., Annie BAUMELMAN was the wife of
GERSHKO/HARRIS.

Stewart Bernstein
Thousand Oaks, CA


Re: tombstone translation help needed Baal Shem Tov related? #ukraine

Larry R. Feder <lrfeder@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: <SRivkin742@aol.com>
To: "Ukraine SIG" <ukraine@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Cc: <SRivkin742@aol.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 2:37 PM
Subject: [ukraine] tombstone translation help needed Baal Shem Tov related?


I looked at the website, and saw two (not three) pictures of a headstone,
which says Here lies Mr. Yosef Moshe, son of Avrohom Yehuda DORDEK from
Proskorov. Died 5 Teves, 1925.
There are DORDEKS in Chicago.

Larry Feder


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Brick Wall #ukraine

SBernst579@...
 

I am researching the BARANSHTEYN/BERNSTEIN and BAUMELMAN/BOMMELMAN family,
from Labun and Polonnoye. The only two sibblings I have records for are
Libel and Gershko BARANSHTEYN, sons of Leyba. I have a photo of Leyba's(my
greatgrandfather)grave stone indicating his death in 1930. Given that
they were an Orthodox family, I would be surprised if there were not
additional children, but have thus far been unable to find any.. Lieb
immigrated to the U.S and lived his entire life in Chicago, and
GERSHKO/HARRIS, immigrated to the U.K., Annie BAUMELMAN was the wife of
GERSHKO/HARRIS.

Stewart Bernstein
Thousand Oaks, CA


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: tombstone translation help needed Baal Shem Tov related? #ukraine

Larry R. Feder <lrfeder@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: <SRivkin742@aol.com>
To: "Ukraine SIG" <ukraine@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Cc: <SRivkin742@aol.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 2:37 PM
Subject: [ukraine] tombstone translation help needed Baal Shem Tov related?


I looked at the website, and saw two (not three) pictures of a headstone,
which says Here lies Mr. Yosef Moshe, son of Avrohom Yehuda DORDEK from
Proskorov. Died 5 Teves, 1925.
There are DORDEKS in Chicago.

Larry Feder


Re: Jacob FUTTERMAN & Hebrew Sheltering Home in L.A. #general

Sherribob <sherribob@...>
 

Jackye asked about obtaining info on ancestors who passed on in California.

I recommend looking at this url:

<http://home.att.net/~wee-monster/deathrecords.html>

It is a wonderful list of links to on-line searchable databases, including
RootsWeb's California death index.

good luck in your search,

Sherri Bobish


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Jacob FUTTERMAN & Hebrew Sheltering Home in L.A. #general

Sherribob <sherribob@...>
 

Jackye asked about obtaining info on ancestors who passed on in California.

I recommend looking at this url:

<http://home.att.net/~wee-monster/deathrecords.html>

It is a wonderful list of links to on-line searchable databases, including
RootsWeb's California death index.

good luck in your search,

Sherri Bobish


ViewMate #southafrica

Dr Saul Issroff <saul@...>
 

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Here is an example of how it works. Follow along now with Jack, our
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Jack finds an unidentified family photo with an inscription on the back,
written in what appears to be Hebrew script.

He scans it on his home PC system, creating a graphic file.

Then he goes to the ViewMate (VM) website. Using the easy upload feature,
he uploads his graphic file to VM. Jack soon receives an e-mail
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He then posts a notice to the JewishGen Discussion Group (or SIG of his
choice) stating that he has uploaded a photo to VM. He requests someone
knowledgeable in Hebrew to visit the VM website, view his graphic
(File No. X) and translate it for him.

An eager reader will be quick to provide feedback. Eager reader responds
with translation. Riddle solved. Jack adds new info to his tree.


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3- Request feedback.

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South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica ViewMate #southafrica

Dr Saul Issroff <saul@...>
 

-----Original message-----
Subject: ANNOUNCING - ViewMate,
To: JewishGen SIGs & Mailing Lists <jgsigs-ml@lyris.jewishgen.org>
From: koosh@att.net

Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 02:09:39 -0500

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Do you have a need for analysis or translations of book titles, letters
or gravestone photos? Do you have questions about old family photos,
maps or book pages? ViewMate is JewishGen's newest tool, designed to
supplement the written query, and help you to solve graphic riddles.
Here is an example of how it works. Follow along now with Jack, our
demonstrator.


Jack finds an unidentified family photo with an inscription on the back,
written in what appears to be Hebrew script.

He scans it on his home PC system, creating a graphic file.

Then he goes to the ViewMate (VM) website. Using the easy upload feature,
he uploads his graphic file to VM. Jack soon receives an e-mail
confirmation with a file number.

He then posts a notice to the JewishGen Discussion Group (or SIG of his
choice) stating that he has uploaded a photo to VM. He requests someone
knowledgeable in Hebrew to visit the VM website, view his graphic
(File No. X) and translate it for him.

An eager reader will be quick to provide feedback. Eager reader responds
with translation. Riddle solved. Jack adds new info to his tree.


Its as easy as 1-2-3.
1- Scan on your home PC system.
2- Upload to ViewMate.
3- Request feedback.

You are invited to visit us today to make use of this newest JewishGen
tool. The site has FAQ and full instructions.

ViewMate website: http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate

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Webmaster: Josef A. Herz

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