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Re: ukraine digest: November 12, 2000 #ukraine

Marlene Staggs <mstaggs@...>
 

Stewart Bernstein wrote:
For interested parities, I have in my possession such a Russian pass
issued to my grandfather's brother,Gershko Baranshteyn, in Polonnoye,
Ukraine. The pass is dated 1902, the original and translation can be
viewed at the Polonnoye SIG site
http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetLinks/polonnoye/Bernstein.html.<<


Stewart,
The document on your website is much like the one I just put on Viewmate:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview20.html#vm056
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview20.html#vm057

I am trying to find the name of the town that my Grandfather was from. Can you help me with this?

Marlene Staggs

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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: ukraine digest: November 12, 2000 #ukraine

Marlene Staggs <mstaggs@...>
 

Stewart Bernstein wrote:
For interested parities, I have in my possession such a Russian pass
issued to my grandfather's brother,Gershko Baranshteyn, in Polonnoye,
Ukraine. The pass is dated 1902, the original and translation can be
viewed at the Polonnoye SIG site
http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetLinks/polonnoye/Bernstein.html.<<


Stewart,
The document on your website is much like the one I just put on Viewmate:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview20.html#vm056
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview20.html#vm057

I am trying to find the name of the town that my Grandfather was from. Can you help me with this?

Marlene Staggs

Moderator note: please respond privately


Re: Please Read Before Installing AOL 6.0 #yizkorbooks

Beverly <bev7@...>
 

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Outlook Express or Netscape mail programs without changing or adding another
email address??

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Re: Meshchanin #ukraine

roman.vilner@...
 

Here is a history of the word (>from a Russian
dictionary).

Meshane (plural for Meshanin), one of the classes of the
city dwellers, originated after a 1785 law requiring
them to organize meshanskiye societies with some
executory (limited to local self governance) powers.

It does stem >from the word "mesto" (place) as they were
organized into local societies concerned with their own
problems. Hence the negative twist added to the word,
especially during the 1917 revolution, as it referred to
the petty bourgeois who were only concerned with their
own good.

regards
Roman Vilner


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Meshchanin #ukraine

roman.vilner@...
 

Here is a history of the word (>from a Russian
dictionary).

Meshane (plural for Meshanin), one of the classes of the
city dwellers, originated after a 1785 law requiring
them to organize meshanskiye societies with some
executory (limited to local self governance) powers.

It does stem >from the word "mesto" (place) as they were
organized into local societies concerned with their own
problems. Hence the negative twist added to the word,
especially during the 1917 revolution, as it referred to
the petty bourgeois who were only concerned with their
own good.

regards
Roman Vilner


Re: Hard-to-Read Town Name #ukraine

Hyla Fox <gohyla@...>
 

To Paul Gordon,
Re your request for information about Chaszazarati..

My family came >from a town which my Uncle called and spelled
Chastievata and/or Chastchevata; however, my mother always pronouced it
as Chasvata. The Yad Vashem in Israel has it listed as Chasztowata
and/or Khashchevatoye. The International Reference section of the
Mormon church feels the correct spelling is Khashevata. On the other
hand, the Registry of the Holocaust Survivors in Washington, DC says the
right name is Kachshevato.

Yet, an 1885 map shows the town as Chastthvaya.

The village my gparents came from, according to family information is on
a tributary of the Bug River, in an area known as Podolia Gubernia, not
all that far >from Odessa, in the Russian Ukraine.
Does this help?
What, by the way are the names you are researching?
Hyla Fox, Toronto.

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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Hard-to-Read Town Name #ukraine

Hyla Fox <gohyla@...>
 

To Paul Gordon,
Re your request for information about Chaszazarati..

My family came >from a town which my Uncle called and spelled
Chastievata and/or Chastchevata; however, my mother always pronouced it
as Chasvata. The Yad Vashem in Israel has it listed as Chasztowata
and/or Khashchevatoye. The International Reference section of the
Mormon church feels the correct spelling is Khashevata. On the other
hand, the Registry of the Holocaust Survivors in Washington, DC says the
right name is Kachshevato.

Yet, an 1885 map shows the town as Chastthvaya.

The village my gparents came from, according to family information is on
a tributary of the Bug River, in an area known as Podolia Gubernia, not
all that far >from Odessa, in the Russian Ukraine.
Does this help?
What, by the way are the names you are researching?
Hyla Fox, Toronto.

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Re: ukraine digest: November 12, 2000 #ukraine

SBernst579@...
 

In a message dated 11/12/00 10:14:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,
Steve Rivkin writes:

<< Subject: Re: Meshchanin

I have heard stories about these classifications too -
I would like to know more about it. >>


For interested parities, I have in my possession such a Russian pass
issued to my grandfather's brother,Gershko Baranshteyn, in Polonnoye,
Ukraine. The pass is dated 1902, the original and translation can be
viewed at the Polonnoye SIG site
http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetLinks/polonnoye/Bernstein.html.
This pass was given to me by a descendant of my grandfather's brother
in England. This document was loaded with information. Even though it
was issued to my grandfather's brother, it gave the name of my great-
grandfather, great-grandmother, where they lived and their birth years.
It was a wonderful find. You will also see the grave stone for my
great-grandfather at that site.

Since Gershko immigrated to England shortly after 1902, it has been
sugjested to me that the pass was probably issued to allow Gershko to travel to a town with the proper civil office to apply for emigration.
As the family lore goes, "Gershko got off the ship in England, thinking
he was in New York, and never left".

Stewart Bernstein
Thousand Oaks, CA


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: ukraine digest: November 12, 2000 #ukraine

SBernst579@...
 

In a message dated 11/12/00 10:14:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,
Steve Rivkin writes:

<< Subject: Re: Meshchanin

I have heard stories about these classifications too -
I would like to know more about it. >>


For interested parities, I have in my possession such a Russian pass
issued to my grandfather's brother,Gershko Baranshteyn, in Polonnoye,
Ukraine. The pass is dated 1902, the original and translation can be
viewed at the Polonnoye SIG site
http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetLinks/polonnoye/Bernstein.html.
This pass was given to me by a descendant of my grandfather's brother
in England. This document was loaded with information. Even though it
was issued to my grandfather's brother, it gave the name of my great-
grandfather, great-grandmother, where they lived and their birth years.
It was a wonderful find. You will also see the grave stone for my
great-grandfather at that site.

Since Gershko immigrated to England shortly after 1902, it has been
sugjested to me that the pass was probably issued to allow Gershko to travel to a town with the proper civil office to apply for emigration.
As the family lore goes, "Gershko got off the ship in England, thinking
he was in New York, and never left".

Stewart Bernstein
Thousand Oaks, CA


Meshchanin #ukraine

Mark Saul <MSaul@...>
 

Message text written by "Ukraine SIG"
This is correct. The word is usually translated as 'petty bourgeois',
or perhaps 'local merchant'. It often has a connotation of someone
with some money but little culture.


Does anyone know the origin of this sort of classification of Russian
society? <

Mark Saul
New York, NY

Researching: SOLOMOVITCH, Teleshevsky (Gomel)
KAMENIR, RUBENSTEIN (Novograd Volinsk)
LISENCO, KOTANOV (Brailov, Rachni, Mogilev Podolsk)


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Meshchanin #ukraine

Mark Saul <MSaul@...>
 

Message text written by "Ukraine SIG"
This is correct. The word is usually translated as 'petty bourgeois',
or perhaps 'local merchant'. It often has a connotation of someone
with some money but little culture.


Does anyone know the origin of this sort of classification of Russian
society? <

Mark Saul
New York, NY

Researching: SOLOMOVITCH, Teleshevsky (Gomel)
KAMENIR, RUBENSTEIN (Novograd Volinsk)
LISENCO, KOTANOV (Brailov, Rachni, Mogilev Podolsk)


Attention AOL 6.0 Users #ukraine

FREYAB@...
 

Dear Ukraine Sig Contributor,

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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Attention AOL 6.0 Users #ukraine

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Dear Ukraine Sig Contributor,

The Ukraine Sig Forum is managed by a computer called a listserver which
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Re: TURBOV #ukraine

szmanuel@...
 

When I lived in West Phila., I recall the former concertmaster of the
Phila. Orchestra as being Anshel BRUSILOW and brother Nate BRUSILOW a
clarinetist. Eventually both moved to Texas for university positions.

Shirley Manuel


Searching: MANILOWITZ and Pinchas & Glicki GLAZER -- Kiev or Vasilkov,
Ukraine
GALANTE & KAPLAN--Grodno
FISHER--Dabrowa
SHVARTS and SOPEL--Suchovola, Poland
ROSENBLUM/bloom/blitt-- Nowy Dvor
Sura-Rivke SHVARTS--England

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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: TURBOV #ukraine

szmanuel@...
 

When I lived in West Phila., I recall the former concertmaster of the
Phila. Orchestra as being Anshel BRUSILOW and brother Nate BRUSILOW a
clarinetist. Eventually both moved to Texas for university positions.

Shirley Manuel


Searching: MANILOWITZ and Pinchas & Glicki GLAZER -- Kiev or Vasilkov,
Ukraine
GALANTE & KAPLAN--Grodno
FISHER--Dabrowa
SHVARTS and SOPEL--Suchovola, Poland
ROSENBLUM/bloom/blitt-- Nowy Dvor
Sura-Rivke SHVARTS--England

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Jewish Heritage #usa

halakoomot <halakoomot@...>
 

HI, I am trying to find some Jewish heritage that is
said to be in my ancestors. I have been searching for
some time, and although I have found some geneoligy
branches that I did not know even existed, I have yet
to find any Jewish heritage.

I was hoping someone out there might be able to assist
me.

The surnames that have come up so far are: JORDAN,
KEITH, GOULD, GOOLD, GOLD, SORENSON, GROVER, CARLISLE,
MASON, PROPES, WILLIAMS.

If there are any Jewish lines in these surnames, I
would love to know what they are.

I have been really searching the GOULD line, and have
gone as far back as Nathaniel GOULD, the father of
Lewis GOULD bor abt 1806. Lewis GOULD married Jane
KEITH in 1833 in Dearbourn County, IND. Jane Keith is
the daughter of Nicholas KEITH born ABT 1782 and
Neiile MASON.

Lewis GOULD and Jane KEITH had several children, one
being Rachel Carlisle GOULD born Aug. 9, 1836 in Riply
County, IND. Rachel is my GG Grandmother.

Rachel Carlisle GOULD married Isaac William JORDAN
(born 1822), the son of Joshua JORDAN and Mary "Polly"
WILLIAMS.

Any information on these lines whatsever would be
greatly appriciated. Somewhere is Jewish heritage,
and right now it is like trying to find a needle in a
haystack! LOL

Thanks in advance for assisting me in this great
search. Feel free to email me directly at
halakoomot@yahoo.com

Yours truly, Bob

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Early American SIG #USA Jewish Heritage #usa

halakoomot <halakoomot@...>
 

HI, I am trying to find some Jewish heritage that is
said to be in my ancestors. I have been searching for
some time, and although I have found some geneoligy
branches that I did not know even existed, I have yet
to find any Jewish heritage.

I was hoping someone out there might be able to assist
me.

The surnames that have come up so far are: JORDAN,
KEITH, GOULD, GOOLD, GOLD, SORENSON, GROVER, CARLISLE,
MASON, PROPES, WILLIAMS.

If there are any Jewish lines in these surnames, I
would love to know what they are.

I have been really searching the GOULD line, and have
gone as far back as Nathaniel GOULD, the father of
Lewis GOULD bor abt 1806. Lewis GOULD married Jane
KEITH in 1833 in Dearbourn County, IND. Jane Keith is
the daughter of Nicholas KEITH born ABT 1782 and
Neiile MASON.

Lewis GOULD and Jane KEITH had several children, one
being Rachel Carlisle GOULD born Aug. 9, 1836 in Riply
County, IND. Rachel is my GG Grandmother.

Rachel Carlisle GOULD married Isaac William JORDAN
(born 1822), the son of Joshua JORDAN and Mary "Polly"
WILLIAMS.

Any information on these lines whatsever would be
greatly appriciated. Somewhere is Jewish heritage,
and right now it is like trying to find a needle in a
haystack! LOL

Thanks in advance for assisting me in this great
search. Feel free to email me directly at
halakoomot@yahoo.com

Yours truly, Bob

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South and Eastern Ohio #usa

Jim Horvitz
 

I am looking for information about Paulina MEYER born Cincinnati Ohio
November 15 1847. She was daughter of Jacob MEYER abd Rebecca. She Married
George BORNHEIM born 1838 in Germany,
Jim Horvitz Rancho Mirage CA.

Researching CAHEN, BERG, LEVISTEIN, STERN, BORNHEIM, MAYER and MAYER all in
the Cincinnati-Columbus- Zanesville area.in the mid to late 1800s


Early American SIG #USA South and Eastern Ohio #usa

Jim Horvitz
 

I am looking for information about Paulina MEYER born Cincinnati Ohio
November 15 1847. She was daughter of Jacob MEYER abd Rebecca. She Married
George BORNHEIM born 1838 in Germany,
Jim Horvitz Rancho Mirage CA.

Researching CAHEN, BERG, LEVISTEIN, STERN, BORNHEIM, MAYER and MAYER all in
the Cincinnati-Columbus- Zanesville area.in the mid to late 1800s