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Seeking WORMS #general

snillop@...
 

Does anyone have any information about a family in England named WORMS?
I have the names of Alfred and Martha who had at least one son, Solomon,
who was born in the St Pancras district around 1892. On his death in
1917 (he was killed in action, probably at the terrible battle of
Passchendaele) he left a widow, Julia, living at 17 Sidmouth Street,
Gray's Inn Road, London, WC1 (also in the St Panceas district.)

I doubt very much if this family were connected with the Worms family
who were part of the Rothschild family, one of them becoming Lord
Pirbright. But if they were I should be glad to know.

Harold Pollins
Re: Protected Jew #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

This is simple. Protected Jew means that he paid Schutzgeld-a bribe to
the government so that he could stay in the town.
Well, not quite that simple and not necessarily a bribe. In general,
protection in the middle ages had the technical meaning of being under the
protection of the monarch or some lessor local lord (for whatever reason,
and not necessarily in return for a money payment). For instance, a "letter
of protection" was a safe-conduct, a document >from the King of England
granting immunity >from arrest to some person travelling in his service.

In medieval Germany, the term Schutzjude specifically meant a Jew who held
a "Schutzbrief" >from the Holy Roman emperor (and later, in return for a
fee, >from some noble or municipality to whom the emperor had "transferred"
the local Jews). Schutzjuden were tolerated because of the indispensable
part they played in the economy, for instance as money lenders to the
nobility in the period before the rise of banking.

In many medieval European towns, local Jews were directly under the
protection of the local prince, lord of the manor, or whatever the title of
the local panjandrum -- as opposed to being under the protection of the
general laws. Medieval common law dealt with people according to their
status in the feudal system -- and the Jews were neither members of the
nobility, nor churchmen, nor burghers, nor peasants, they were an alien
element that was never an integral part of the feudal system as such.

Protection could sometimes be a blessing, as when a local lord actually
saved Jews >from medieval mobs out to get them, (either at Eastertime as
"Christkillers" or at some arbitrary time when the mob's passions were
inflamed by"blood libel" allegations. On the other hand, local lords
sometimes demanded heavy payments (or release >from their debts to Jewish
moneylenders) as protection money. King John is said to have pulled out
the teeth of a Jewish creditor until he agreed to tear up the I.O.U.

Judith Romney Wegner
British Library Slavonic and Eastern European Collections #general

Al Wirtzbaum <nycityal@...>
 

I came across the following while doing a surname search and think it
might interest all, especially those in England.

Jewish Studies: Sources in the British Library Slavonic
and East European Collections

British Library Slavonic and East European Collections

The British Library Slavonic and East European Section acquires material
across the spectrum of the humanities and social sciences. It is
responsible for obtaining and making available material published in the
countries of Central and Eastern Europe, and for material in the
languages of those countries published anywhere in the world.

The following list is a selection of material held by the British
Library on the subject of Jews and Jewish Studies in Central and Eastern
Europe. It is not a comprehensive listing and concentrates largely on
recent publications.

The site is at http://www.bl.uk/collections/slavonic/jewish.html, and
the contents include:

Jews in Belarus
Jews in the Czech Republic
Jews in Hungary
Jews in Poland
Jews in Romania
Jews in Russia
Jews in Slovakia
Jews in Ukraine

Clicking on one of the links "Jews in ..." takes you to a section which
lists some of the material the Library has on the Jews of that area.

Al Wirtzbaum
mailing lists? #general

Eve Clyne <Eclyne@...>
 

Could someone tell me of the other mailing lists on jewish family history
i have seen mention to them in some of the posts?
are anyworth subscribing to ?
thanks in appreciation
Eve Clyne
(Manchester UK)
eclyne@tesco.net
Re: Child Traveling Alone #general

Cyndee Meystel <cmeys@...>
 

I am aware of one instance in our family of a 13-year old traveling alone.
The mother and a number of children had been sent for by the father who had
come earlier, but this child had been rejected by immigration authorities
(or perhaps emigration authorities -- I'm not certain) because he had
tracoma. Once the infection was cleared up, he followed on his own.

Cyndee Meystel
Chicago, IL

--
NOTICE: The e-mail address is deliberately incorrect. Delete "nospam" from
the e-mail address to reply.
cmeys@nospamearthlink.net


"cpspier" <cpspier@geoserve.net> wrote in message
news:007b01c0515d$b52b5c20$545dba8c@carlspie...

According to family myth, one of our forebears travelled, alone, from
Amsterdam at the age of 9, about 1825. I have never been able to find
out exactly why her (apparently relatively prosperous) parents left her
behind and then sent for her some unknown time later -- though I have
been told that it was not uncommon.
jacob HAUSNER #general

Constance Cowen <connfromny@...>
 

Looking for family of the above >from Chortkov in Galicia at the turn of
the 20thcentury. Thanks
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking WORMS #general

snillop@...
 

Does anyone have any information about a family in England named WORMS?
I have the names of Alfred and Martha who had at least one son, Solomon,
who was born in the St Pancras district around 1892. On his death in
1917 (he was killed in action, probably at the terrible battle of
Passchendaele) he left a widow, Julia, living at 17 Sidmouth Street,
Gray's Inn Road, London, WC1 (also in the St Panceas district.)

I doubt very much if this family were connected with the Worms family
who were part of the Rothschild family, one of them becoming Lord
Pirbright. But if they were I should be glad to know.

Harold Pollins
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Protected Jew #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

This is simple. Protected Jew means that he paid Schutzgeld-a bribe to
the government so that he could stay in the town.
Well, not quite that simple and not necessarily a bribe. In general,
protection in the middle ages had the technical meaning of being under the
protection of the monarch or some lessor local lord (for whatever reason,
and not necessarily in return for a money payment). For instance, a "letter
of protection" was a safe-conduct, a document >from the King of England
granting immunity >from arrest to some person travelling in his service.

In medieval Germany, the term Schutzjude specifically meant a Jew who held
a "Schutzbrief" >from the Holy Roman emperor (and later, in return for a
fee, >from some noble or municipality to whom the emperor had "transferred"
the local Jews). Schutzjuden were tolerated because of the indispensable
part they played in the economy, for instance as money lenders to the
nobility in the period before the rise of banking.

In many medieval European towns, local Jews were directly under the
protection of the local prince, lord of the manor, or whatever the title of
the local panjandrum -- as opposed to being under the protection of the
general laws. Medieval common law dealt with people according to their
status in the feudal system -- and the Jews were neither members of the
nobility, nor churchmen, nor burghers, nor peasants, they were an alien
element that was never an integral part of the feudal system as such.

Protection could sometimes be a blessing, as when a local lord actually
saved Jews >from medieval mobs out to get them, (either at Eastertime as
"Christkillers" or at some arbitrary time when the mob's passions were
inflamed by"blood libel" allegations. On the other hand, local lords
sometimes demanded heavy payments (or release >from their debts to Jewish
moneylenders) as protection money. King John is said to have pulled out
the teeth of a Jewish creditor until he agreed to tear up the I.O.U.

Judith Romney Wegner
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen British Library Slavonic and Eastern European Collections #general

Al Wirtzbaum <nycityal@...>
 

I came across the following while doing a surname search and think it
might interest all, especially those in England.

Jewish Studies: Sources in the British Library Slavonic
and East European Collections

British Library Slavonic and East European Collections

The British Library Slavonic and East European Section acquires material
across the spectrum of the humanities and social sciences. It is
responsible for obtaining and making available material published in the
countries of Central and Eastern Europe, and for material in the
languages of those countries published anywhere in the world.

The following list is a selection of material held by the British
Library on the subject of Jews and Jewish Studies in Central and Eastern
Europe. It is not a comprehensive listing and concentrates largely on
recent publications.

The site is at http://www.bl.uk/collections/slavonic/jewish.html, and
the contents include:

Jews in Belarus
Jews in the Czech Republic
Jews in Hungary
Jews in Poland
Jews in Romania
Jews in Russia
Jews in Slovakia
Jews in Ukraine

Clicking on one of the links "Jews in ..." takes you to a section which
lists some of the material the Library has on the Jews of that area.

Al Wirtzbaum
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen mailing lists? #general

Eve Clyne <Eclyne@...>
 

Could someone tell me of the other mailing lists on jewish family history
i have seen mention to them in some of the posts?
are anyworth subscribing to ?
thanks in appreciation
Eve Clyne
(Manchester UK)
eclyne@tesco.net
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Child Traveling Alone #general

Cyndee Meystel <cmeys@...>
 

I am aware of one instance in our family of a 13-year old traveling alone.
The mother and a number of children had been sent for by the father who had
come earlier, but this child had been rejected by immigration authorities
(or perhaps emigration authorities -- I'm not certain) because he had
tracoma. Once the infection was cleared up, he followed on his own.

Cyndee Meystel
Chicago, IL

--
NOTICE: The e-mail address is deliberately incorrect. Delete "nospam" from
the e-mail address to reply.
cmeys@nospamearthlink.net


"cpspier" <cpspier@geoserve.net> wrote in message
news:007b01c0515d$b52b5c20$545dba8c@carlspie...

According to family myth, one of our forebears travelled, alone, from
Amsterdam at the age of 9, about 1825. I have never been able to find
out exactly why her (apparently relatively prosperous) parents left her
behind and then sent for her some unknown time later -- though I have
been told that it was not uncommon.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen jacob HAUSNER #general

Constance Cowen <connfromny@...>
 

Looking for family of the above >from Chortkov in Galicia at the turn of
the 20thcentury. Thanks
Re: Where is Irving Roth? #hungary

Dave and Beth Long <dnblong@...>
 

My researcher friend Laszlo Rudolf was just in Szarkos Ujlak last week!
(researching the Pocsi family) He makes about two research trips a year to
Szatmar, so let me know if you would like him to do work for you next time
he goes.

Beth Long
dnblong@cts.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Momteller@aol.com [SMTP:Momteller@aol.com]

Rose was >from a small
town near Szatmar (Sarkos Ujlak). Any help would be appreciated.

Susan Stone
Evanston, IL
Deportation lists #hungary

Louis Schonfeld <Lmagyar@...>
 

I have just received the first batch of deportation lists for locations in
Hungary.

The lists are >from Debrecen and Szombathely. Each lists has about 4,000
names.
In addition to the name of the deportee is the maiden name of the deportee,
year of birth, town of birth, mother's maiden name and occupation. To start
the project I am requesting two team captains, one for each location, who in
turn will recruit additional volunteers. The team captains will be in
contact with Jewishgen's liaison for this project, MsRachelR@aol.com

The data >from these and other lists will be accumulated and become part of a
Jewishgen searchable database.

I will send the complete set of each town list to the respective team
captain.

Please let me hear >from you as soon as possible. When we complete these, Yad
Vashem will send us additional lists.

Best wishes,

Louis Schonfeld
H-sig facilitator
Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: Where is Irving Roth? #hungary

Dave and Beth Long <dnblong@...>
 

My researcher friend Laszlo Rudolf was just in Szarkos Ujlak last week!
(researching the Pocsi family) He makes about two research trips a year to
Szatmar, so let me know if you would like him to do work for you next time
he goes.

Beth Long
dnblong@cts.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Momteller@aol.com [SMTP:Momteller@aol.com]

Rose was >from a small
town near Szatmar (Sarkos Ujlak). Any help would be appreciated.

Susan Stone
Evanston, IL
Hungary SIG #Hungary Deportation lists #hungary

Louis Schonfeld <Lmagyar@...>
 

I have just received the first batch of deportation lists for locations in
Hungary.

The lists are >from Debrecen and Szombathely. Each lists has about 4,000
names.
In addition to the name of the deportee is the maiden name of the deportee,
year of birth, town of birth, mother's maiden name and occupation. To start
the project I am requesting two team captains, one for each location, who in
turn will recruit additional volunteers. The team captains will be in
contact with Jewishgen's liaison for this project, MsRachelR@aol.com

The data >from these and other lists will be accumulated and become part of a
Jewishgen searchable database.

I will send the complete set of each town list to the respective team
captain.

Please let me hear >from you as soon as possible. When we complete these, Yad
Vashem will send us additional lists.

Best wishes,

Louis Schonfeld
H-sig facilitator
Check out Ukraine (Da) for Darchev #ukraine

RONC1VSNY@...
 

I don't see Darchev listed, but maybe you can find something similar.
There is Dashev, Dashava, Darakhov and others. I believe these three are in
Podolia.

Ron Cutler

Searching: Kotlyar, Dinitz, Soiffer, Schwartz, Rotman, Galitsky, Goldberg,
Zolnatov, Krasnoff
Kamenets-Podolski, Khotin, and Kirovohrad(Elizavetgrad)
Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Check out Ukraine (Da) for Darchev #ukraine

RONC1VSNY@...
 

I don't see Darchev listed, but maybe you can find something similar.
There is Dashev, Dashava, Darakhov and others. I believe these three are in
Podolia.

Ron Cutler

Searching: Kotlyar, Dinitz, Soiffer, Schwartz, Rotman, Galitsky, Goldberg,
Zolnatov, Krasnoff
Kamenets-Podolski, Khotin, and Kirovohrad(Elizavetgrad)
Re: Missing Pieces of the Puzzle #ukraine

Barbara <maybug@...>
 

Hello Naomi,

I'm happy for you that you've had such success. In this posting I noticed
your reference to Zhitomir. As I'm very deficient in Jewish information,
both cultural and religious, perhaps you could fill me in of Zhitomir. I
recently discovered that my gf was buried in Philadelphia in a section of a
cemetery belonging the Synagogue Tiferes (eth?) Israel Anshei Zitomor(-mer)
in 1915. Would that be a synagogue of people >from that area? Where
exactly is Zhitomor? Any other info that I'm too uninformed to ask?

Regards,

Barbara Harris









.
Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Missing Pieces of the Puzzle #ukraine

Barbara <maybug@...>
 

Hello Naomi,

I'm happy for you that you've had such success. In this posting I noticed
your reference to Zhitomir. As I'm very deficient in Jewish information,
both cultural and religious, perhaps you could fill me in of Zhitomir. I
recently discovered that my gf was buried in Philadelphia in a section of a
cemetery belonging the Synagogue Tiferes (eth?) Israel Anshei Zitomor(-mer)
in 1915. Would that be a synagogue of people >from that area? Where
exactly is Zhitomor? Any other info that I'm too uninformed to ask?

Regards,

Barbara Harris









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