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Dificulties with LOEWENAU surname need help bad! #general

Sheri & David Early <earlyd@...>
 

I would love to have some kind person's help on this surname for I know
absolutely nothing about searching for relatives of Jewish descent nor do I
know W.Prussia's history that good either.
I found out 2 days ago that my gg-grandmother (Wilhelmine Karoline LOEWENAU)
was of Jewish descent >from a cousin. He didn't have doc's to back this up
but was told this by one of Wilhelmine's son's ( His g-grandfather) while
doing a genealogical search in college, some30 years ago. I knew they came
from W. Prussia but I was not aware of this at all. >from the looks of her
name I would have said that she was of German descent, although I was told
by a historian that no way was Loewenau German but I never gave it another
thought until cousin Tom told me.
I knew they were hiding something because all of their records are all
messed up and I mean *all* of them. I often wondered if they did that
purposely?
Now that he said something I want to know, do I have Jewish blood running
through my veins and if I do I would like to know what tribe my family comes
from?
I somehow feel violated that I was never told and feel that if she was full
blooded Jewish descent I have a right to know.
I have found Friedrich KOLODZYK/KOLODZIK'S marriage license to Wilhelmine
LOEWENAU in Krockow, W. Prussia films >from lds in 1871 it says they were
Evang: Luth:
Tom says this marriage was an arranged marriage and that Friedrich was paid
handsomely in gold.
Friedrich and Wilhelmine settled in Green Bay, WI. and had 9 children they
all could speak Yiddish, German, Prussian, Russia and didn't learn English
until they were married and out of their home. Tom says there was no reason
to teach them English for Friedrich and Wilhelmine lived everyday thinking
that someday they would be sent back, initially they were told to leave W.
Prussia by the way because of this marriage, they left in or around 1871.
Tom said she was >from what was called Krakow ghetto, he said this is where a
lot of people of Jewish descent were living then?
I could go on and on about what Tom told me but I am trying to keep this
brief.
Anyway does anyone know if this surname sounds or looks of Jewish descent?
If it does what do I do if they have change their name sometime before
Wilhelmine, will I ever find out then?

My g-uncle went back there in 1974 looking for descendants and was told that
both surnames were buried in mass graves. LOEWENAU because they were Jewish
and KOLODZYK/KOLODZIK because they were against Hitler and wanted the
Kaiser's son back in ruling in W. Prussia. If this be the case will I ever
know who is buried in those mass graves?
In reality folks is this something I will ever find?
Thanks for the help, you don't know how much I appreciate this.
Sheri


Help with Polish Translation #general

DrsJavinskyLittle <SusanLittleDVM@...>
 

Dear Jewish Genners:

I need the assistance of someone who would be able to translate a short
(about 6 paragraph) article written in Polish about the shtetl of
Dzialoszyce. I would be able to trade services or pay a small fee. If you
would be able to help me, please contact me: SusanLittleDVM@compuserve.com

Thank you.

Susan Javinsky
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.javinskyfamily.homestead.com

Researching: DZIEWIECKI, PALESNICKI (Dzialoszyce, Poland)
WEINSHENKER (Warszawa, Poland), HUSNEY (Aleppo, Syria)


MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Dificulties with LOEWENAU surname need help bad! #general

Sheri & David Early <earlyd@...>
 

I would love to have some kind person's help on this surname for I know
absolutely nothing about searching for relatives of Jewish descent nor do I
know W.Prussia's history that good either.
I found out 2 days ago that my gg-grandmother (Wilhelmine Karoline LOEWENAU)
was of Jewish descent >from a cousin. He didn't have doc's to back this up
but was told this by one of Wilhelmine's son's ( His g-grandfather) while
doing a genealogical search in college, some30 years ago. I knew they came
from W. Prussia but I was not aware of this at all. >from the looks of her
name I would have said that she was of German descent, although I was told
by a historian that no way was Loewenau German but I never gave it another
thought until cousin Tom told me.
I knew they were hiding something because all of their records are all
messed up and I mean *all* of them. I often wondered if they did that
purposely?
Now that he said something I want to know, do I have Jewish blood running
through my veins and if I do I would like to know what tribe my family comes
from?
I somehow feel violated that I was never told and feel that if she was full
blooded Jewish descent I have a right to know.
I have found Friedrich KOLODZYK/KOLODZIK'S marriage license to Wilhelmine
LOEWENAU in Krockow, W. Prussia films >from lds in 1871 it says they were
Evang: Luth:
Tom says this marriage was an arranged marriage and that Friedrich was paid
handsomely in gold.
Friedrich and Wilhelmine settled in Green Bay, WI. and had 9 children they
all could speak Yiddish, German, Prussian, Russia and didn't learn English
until they were married and out of their home. Tom says there was no reason
to teach them English for Friedrich and Wilhelmine lived everyday thinking
that someday they would be sent back, initially they were told to leave W.
Prussia by the way because of this marriage, they left in or around 1871.
Tom said she was >from what was called Krakow ghetto, he said this is where a
lot of people of Jewish descent were living then?
I could go on and on about what Tom told me but I am trying to keep this
brief.
Anyway does anyone know if this surname sounds or looks of Jewish descent?
If it does what do I do if they have change their name sometime before
Wilhelmine, will I ever find out then?

My g-uncle went back there in 1974 looking for descendants and was told that
both surnames were buried in mass graves. LOEWENAU because they were Jewish
and KOLODZYK/KOLODZIK because they were against Hitler and wanted the
Kaiser's son back in ruling in W. Prussia. If this be the case will I ever
know who is buried in those mass graves?
In reality folks is this something I will ever find?
Thanks for the help, you don't know how much I appreciate this.
Sheri


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Help with Polish Translation #general

DrsJavinskyLittle <SusanLittleDVM@...>
 

Dear Jewish Genners:

I need the assistance of someone who would be able to translate a short
(about 6 paragraph) article written in Polish about the shtetl of
Dzialoszyce. I would be able to trade services or pay a small fee. If you
would be able to help me, please contact me: SusanLittleDVM@compuserve.com

Thank you.

Susan Javinsky
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.javinskyfamily.homestead.com

Researching: DZIEWIECKI, PALESNICKI (Dzialoszyce, Poland)
WEINSHENKER (Warszawa, Poland), HUSNEY (Aleppo, Syria)


MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.


GELLER ancestry #ukraine

SingingTM@...
 

As best I am able to determine, I am descended >from GELLER and FRAIDER of
Kamenets-Podolskiy, Kuz'min, and StaroKonstantinov, all of modern-day
UKRAINE; Iasi, Romania; and Goreshti, Moldova.

My great grandfather, Jacob Joseph FRAIDER, was born in 1856 to Abraham
FRAIDER and Dina Cohen (my great great grandparents). My great
grandmother, Sarah GELLER, was born in 1863 to Moische Geller and Jennie
Geller (another set of great great grandparents). Therefore, I estimate
that Jacob Joseph and Sarah were married about 1880, based on the
following: Pinchas FRAIDER (great uncle, elder brother of my grandmother,
Jennie FRAIDER) wrote that he was born on August 17, 1881 and was 37 years
old at the time of his World War I draft registration in September 1918.
Note that Pinchas listed his occupation as rabbi, being employed by Chevra
Mishna and Shomrai Sabbath, at 64 Pike St., New York, N.Y. I have
determined that he was most likely a mashgiach. I know nothing about where
he might have been trained in Eastern Europe. The FRAIDER (and, by
extension, the GELLER) family today has living representatives in the New
York, Connecticut, Illinois, Nevada, California, Florida, and Maryland
states in the US.

Jeff Miller
Olney, Maryland, US
SingingTM@aol.com

Researching:
FRAIDER, GELLER, Kamenets-Podolskiy, Kuz'min, StaroKonstantinov UKRAINE;
Iasi, Romania; Goreshti, Moldova MLYNARZ, Ostroleka, Poland TRACHTENBROIT,
Studenitsa, Ukraine BLANKFORD, WHITEMAN, Panevezys, Anywhere, Lithuania;
South Africa LAN, Panevezys, Seta, Lithuania; South Africa; LANE, New
Jersey, Pennsylvania UDELL, YUDEL, Lithuania; South Africa; US YUDELOWITZ,
Panevezys, Seta, Lithuania; Boston, L.A., US; South Africa


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine GELLER ancestry #ukraine

SingingTM@...
 

As best I am able to determine, I am descended >from GELLER and FRAIDER of
Kamenets-Podolskiy, Kuz'min, and StaroKonstantinov, all of modern-day
UKRAINE; Iasi, Romania; and Goreshti, Moldova.

My great grandfather, Jacob Joseph FRAIDER, was born in 1856 to Abraham
FRAIDER and Dina Cohen (my great great grandparents). My great
grandmother, Sarah GELLER, was born in 1863 to Moische Geller and Jennie
Geller (another set of great great grandparents). Therefore, I estimate
that Jacob Joseph and Sarah were married about 1880, based on the
following: Pinchas FRAIDER (great uncle, elder brother of my grandmother,
Jennie FRAIDER) wrote that he was born on August 17, 1881 and was 37 years
old at the time of his World War I draft registration in September 1918.
Note that Pinchas listed his occupation as rabbi, being employed by Chevra
Mishna and Shomrai Sabbath, at 64 Pike St., New York, N.Y. I have
determined that he was most likely a mashgiach. I know nothing about where
he might have been trained in Eastern Europe. The FRAIDER (and, by
extension, the GELLER) family today has living representatives in the New
York, Connecticut, Illinois, Nevada, California, Florida, and Maryland
states in the US.

Jeff Miller
Olney, Maryland, US
SingingTM@aol.com

Researching:
FRAIDER, GELLER, Kamenets-Podolskiy, Kuz'min, StaroKonstantinov UKRAINE;
Iasi, Romania; Goreshti, Moldova MLYNARZ, Ostroleka, Poland TRACHTENBROIT,
Studenitsa, Ukraine BLANKFORD, WHITEMAN, Panevezys, Anywhere, Lithuania;
South Africa LAN, Panevezys, Seta, Lithuania; South Africa; LANE, New
Jersey, Pennsylvania UDELL, YUDEL, Lithuania; South Africa; US YUDELOWITZ,
Panevezys, Seta, Lithuania; Boston, L.A., US; South Africa


Re: [NL] SSDI Listings are Unstable #ukraine

Hcounter@...
 

In a message dated 3/22/01 9:54:26 PM Central Standard Time,
NOSHOWCLC@aol.com writes:

<< Re: posting once and finding records, and not finding them the second
time...
<< This could mean one of two things.

1) The person doing the search entered the search criteria a bit
differently this time than he did the first time around. If that is
the case, the record it still there but the person searching isn't
finding it due to typing in information that doesn't agree *exactly*
with what he searched for before.
OR...

2) A correction was made to the entry in a subsequent monthly update put
out by the SSA and that change or removal of the entry is resulting in
it no longer being found in a search. >> >>

I would beg to differ with that person since I used only the last name
each time along with the British Isles. That is all I ever use since I
have found that things come up on that that will not come up when you do a
more detailed search. The times this has happened I was up really late,
but got knocked off the net either by noise on the line or by missing the
prompt to keep me on. I went back on and redid the search exactly the
same way and the same color changes were there >from my previous look at
the records shortly before, but a couple of the people were now missing
that I knew had been there. I am talking just an hour or so before and
late at nite.

Since this has happened to me about three times, I would say that the
problem is recurring, but have no idea what it is other than the search
engine missing some.

I have even done a detailed search for something I know is there, and it
will not come up until you do a more general search with less criteria.

Annie in Minnesota


Researching:
Canada
Ontario: COOPER, FOX, RYCKMAN, SYMINGTON, PAUL, BUCKLAND, BOURNE, CASEY,
LAMOUREUX, RETHWILL; Alberta: GIVENS, HARRISON, BALDWIN, SHARPE, SCHULTZ,
SIMMERSON, RYCKMAN, PAUL, UNSWORTH, PARMENTER, Saskatchewan: WHEELER,
PAUL, HOFFMAN, PARMENTER, FISET; Quebec: FISET;
British Columbia; KOCHISARLI
U.S.A.
Minnesota: McARDELL, CERNY/CERNEY, WHEELER, DVORAK, SVEJKOVSKY, BYRNE,
O'LEARY, O'NEIL, CHAPIN, SCHUMACHER, FARRELL, RETHWILL, McDERMOTT,
TAMBORNINO, O'BRIEN; Wisconsin: O'BRIEN; Iowa: CERNY/CERNEY, WHEELER,


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: [NL] SSDI Listings are Unstable #ukraine

Hcounter@...
 

In a message dated 3/22/01 9:54:26 PM Central Standard Time,
NOSHOWCLC@aol.com writes:

<< Re: posting once and finding records, and not finding them the second
time...
<< This could mean one of two things.

1) The person doing the search entered the search criteria a bit
differently this time than he did the first time around. If that is
the case, the record it still there but the person searching isn't
finding it due to typing in information that doesn't agree *exactly*
with what he searched for before.
OR...

2) A correction was made to the entry in a subsequent monthly update put
out by the SSA and that change or removal of the entry is resulting in
it no longer being found in a search. >> >>

I would beg to differ with that person since I used only the last name
each time along with the British Isles. That is all I ever use since I
have found that things come up on that that will not come up when you do a
more detailed search. The times this has happened I was up really late,
but got knocked off the net either by noise on the line or by missing the
prompt to keep me on. I went back on and redid the search exactly the
same way and the same color changes were there >from my previous look at
the records shortly before, but a couple of the people were now missing
that I knew had been there. I am talking just an hour or so before and
late at nite.

Since this has happened to me about three times, I would say that the
problem is recurring, but have no idea what it is other than the search
engine missing some.

I have even done a detailed search for something I know is there, and it
will not come up until you do a more general search with less criteria.

Annie in Minnesota


Researching:
Canada
Ontario: COOPER, FOX, RYCKMAN, SYMINGTON, PAUL, BUCKLAND, BOURNE, CASEY,
LAMOUREUX, RETHWILL; Alberta: GIVENS, HARRISON, BALDWIN, SHARPE, SCHULTZ,
SIMMERSON, RYCKMAN, PAUL, UNSWORTH, PARMENTER, Saskatchewan: WHEELER,
PAUL, HOFFMAN, PARMENTER, FISET; Quebec: FISET;
British Columbia; KOCHISARLI
U.S.A.
Minnesota: McARDELL, CERNY/CERNEY, WHEELER, DVORAK, SVEJKOVSKY, BYRNE,
O'LEARY, O'NEIL, CHAPIN, SCHUMACHER, FARRELL, RETHWILL, McDERMOTT,
TAMBORNINO, O'BRIEN; Wisconsin: O'BRIEN; Iowa: CERNY/CERNEY, WHEELER,


given name translation #ukraine

Leon Fishman <lfishman@...>
 

From: NOSHOWCLC@aol.com
Perhaps this is an americanized version of the bibilical Hebrew name
"Rivkah," one of the four Matriarchs in Judaism, the wife of Isaac
("Yitzchak"), one of the three Patriarchs. It is also a popular name in
Yiddish as well as Hebrew.

Leon Fishman
FISHMAN (Vishnevets), ZUCKERMAN (Kiev, Sovran)

Subject: [ukraine] given name translation
Reply-To: NOSHOWCLC@aol.com
<http://www.jewishgen.org/ukraine/>

I unfortunately only have on name in this family line - Rebecca
BOGOMOLNY. Rebecca never left the Ukraine, except to visit her sons in
the United States. They referred to her as Rebecca, but would this be
an Americanized version of her name?

Susan Curelop
KUROLAJS, BOGOMOLNY, NANKIN


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine given name translation #ukraine

Leon Fishman <lfishman@...>
 

From: NOSHOWCLC@aol.com
Perhaps this is an americanized version of the bibilical Hebrew name
"Rivkah," one of the four Matriarchs in Judaism, the wife of Isaac
("Yitzchak"), one of the three Patriarchs. It is also a popular name in
Yiddish as well as Hebrew.

Leon Fishman
FISHMAN (Vishnevets), ZUCKERMAN (Kiev, Sovran)

Subject: [ukraine] given name translation
Reply-To: NOSHOWCLC@aol.com
<http://www.jewishgen.org/ukraine/>

I unfortunately only have on name in this family line - Rebecca
BOGOMOLNY. Rebecca never left the Ukraine, except to visit her sons in
the United States. They referred to her as Rebecca, but would this be
an Americanized version of her name?

Susan Curelop
KUROLAJS, BOGOMOLNY, NANKIN


Re: given name translation #ukraine

Roman Vilner <roman.vilner@...>
 

"religious" would be the closest translation. A word-for-word translation
is "one who prays a lot"

regards
Roman Vilner
Brooklyn, NY
<http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgenmall/>

Message text written by NOSHOWCLC@aol.com

I unfortunately only have on name in this family line - Rebecca
BOGOMOLNY. Rebecca never left the Ukraine, except to visit her sons in
the United States. They referred to her as Rebecca, but would this be
an Americanized version of her name?

The name is clearly Slavic, meaning 'praying to God', or perhaps
'religious' or 'believiing'.


Mark Saul
New York, NY


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: given name translation #ukraine

Roman Vilner <roman.vilner@...>
 

"religious" would be the closest translation. A word-for-word translation
is "one who prays a lot"

regards
Roman Vilner
Brooklyn, NY
<http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgenmall/>

Message text written by NOSHOWCLC@aol.com

I unfortunately only have on name in this family line - Rebecca
BOGOMOLNY. Rebecca never left the Ukraine, except to visit her sons in
the United States. They referred to her as Rebecca, but would this be
an Americanized version of her name?

The name is clearly Slavic, meaning 'praying to God', or perhaps
'religious' or 'believiing'.


Mark Saul
New York, NY


Re: SSDI Listings are Unstable #ukraine

Hcounter@...
 

In a message dated 3/21/01 10:12:45 PM Central Standard Time,
lulu_brooks@usa.net writes:

<< In searching bothe the Rootsweb and Ancestry SSDI databases today, I
noticed that a relative whose records I had previously fouond in both, is
now listed in neither. Practically speaking, this suggests that if we
can't find individuals the first time around, it might pay to keep trying
every quarter or so.

Still, I find it odd. Anyone have any knowledge as to why this would
happen?

Michelle Frager,
NYC >>

Michelle,

I have noted this happening since the first time I used the site. In
doing a surname or one name search sometimes the same people would not
show up a second time, or more people would show. Since we have some
problem with noise on the phone lines, I have a problem with getting
dumped once in a while, and that happened at that time, and when I went
back thru the same search, I noticed the change right away. I always do a
search several times in a week before figuring I have hopefully found or
not found what I wanted.

Annie in Minnesota

Researching:
England
Kent: COOPER, CRIPPS, BUCKLAND, STAPLES, PHILPOTT, JONES, HATCHER, SAWYER,
BINGHAM, IRIS, PORTER, STOKES, JARVIS, BROTHERSTON, NICHOLS, LYNAM,
MEARDLE, COGGER, SCOTT, GOREHAM, FELLOWS, SOUTHERNWOOD, ADAMS, ASHBY,
HALES, BRUCE; Berkshire: JONES; Lanchashire: McARDELL, STANLEY,
London: BACON, EBBS, CROSSLEY, TOONE, WILLIAMS, BUCKLAND
Middlesex: JONES, PHILPOTT, BUCKLAND; Somerset: ROSSITER;
Surrey: BUCKLAND; Essex: BUCKLAND


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: SSDI Listings are Unstable #ukraine

Hcounter@...
 

In a message dated 3/21/01 10:12:45 PM Central Standard Time,
lulu_brooks@usa.net writes:

<< In searching bothe the Rootsweb and Ancestry SSDI databases today, I
noticed that a relative whose records I had previously fouond in both, is
now listed in neither. Practically speaking, this suggests that if we
can't find individuals the first time around, it might pay to keep trying
every quarter or so.

Still, I find it odd. Anyone have any knowledge as to why this would
happen?

Michelle Frager,
NYC >>

Michelle,

I have noted this happening since the first time I used the site. In
doing a surname or one name search sometimes the same people would not
show up a second time, or more people would show. Since we have some
problem with noise on the phone lines, I have a problem with getting
dumped once in a while, and that happened at that time, and when I went
back thru the same search, I noticed the change right away. I always do a
search several times in a week before figuring I have hopefully found or
not found what I wanted.

Annie in Minnesota

Researching:
England
Kent: COOPER, CRIPPS, BUCKLAND, STAPLES, PHILPOTT, JONES, HATCHER, SAWYER,
BINGHAM, IRIS, PORTER, STOKES, JARVIS, BROTHERSTON, NICHOLS, LYNAM,
MEARDLE, COGGER, SCOTT, GOREHAM, FELLOWS, SOUTHERNWOOD, ADAMS, ASHBY,
HALES, BRUCE; Berkshire: JONES; Lanchashire: McARDELL, STANLEY,
London: BACON, EBBS, CROSSLEY, TOONE, WILLIAMS, BUCKLAND
Middlesex: JONES, PHILPOTT, BUCKLAND; Somerset: ROSSITER;
Surrey: BUCKLAND; Essex: BUCKLAND


Re: given name translation #ukraine

SRivkin742@...
 

I am sure this does not help but Rivka = Rebbeca
Rivkin= son of Rebecca

one cousin who came over named Ekka became Rebecca

these Americanizations can be hell to unravel it was not unusual to just
use a American name that just had the same first letter - rather than the
same meaning or a transliteration of spelling.

Steve Rivkin


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: given name translation #ukraine

SRivkin742@...
 

I am sure this does not help but Rivka = Rebbeca
Rivkin= son of Rebecca

one cousin who came over named Ekka became Rebecca

these Americanizations can be hell to unravel it was not unusual to just
use a American name that just had the same first letter - rather than the
same meaning or a transliteration of spelling.

Steve Rivkin


Re: New e-mail address #germany

lilian schorr <lilianschorr@...>
 

Please note that as >from March 26, 01 my new e-mail
will be: lilianschorr@elsitio.net

Regards,

Lilian Schorr Landes
lilianschorr@infovia.com.ar


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Thank you from JG Lost n Found #general

Diane Frankel <dlfrankel@...>
 

JewishGen's Lost n Found Support Desk is very grateful for ALL of the
JewishGenners who volunteered to make phone calls to researchers who are
listed on JGFF but who have not updated their e-mail address and therefore
cannot be contacted by other researchers. The call for volunteers out of
the United States, saves not just time, but money.

Thank you so much. You are all so kind.

PS. Perhaps there are still many of you out there who have changed your
ISP's and have neglected to update and MODIFY your data on JGFF.

JewishGen LostnFound Support Desk
Diane Pressman Frankel
dlfrankel@mindspring.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: New e-mail address #general

lilian schorr <lilianschorr@...>
 

Please note that as >from March 26, 01 my new e-mail
will be: lilianschorr@elsitio.net

Regards,

Lilian Schorr Landes
lilianschorr@infovia.com.ar


MODERATOR NOTE: Please make sure you have changed your own subscription
information at < http://www.jewishgen.org/listserv/jg.htm>. Also, if you
have a JGFF entry, please change your e-mail address in your entry by going
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will be able to contact you. This process will also route FTJP queries to
the proper address.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Thank you from JG Lost n Found #general

Diane Frankel <dlfrankel@...>
 

JewishGen's Lost n Found Support Desk is very grateful for ALL of the
JewishGenners who volunteered to make phone calls to researchers who are
listed on JGFF but who have not updated their e-mail address and therefore
cannot be contacted by other researchers. The call for volunteers out of
the United States, saves not just time, but money.

Thank you so much. You are all so kind.

PS. Perhaps there are still many of you out there who have changed your
ISP's and have neglected to update and MODIFY your data on JGFF.

JewishGen LostnFound Support Desk
Diane Pressman Frankel
dlfrankel@mindspring.com