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Re: Birth Certificate #general

Dschaefer3@...
 

Dear Genners,
I want to offer a collective THANK YOU for the wonderful responses to
my problem. You've given me several new avenues to research. The FHC has
been one of my favorites, however, the one I've always used is closed
until September,2001 for structural repairs.
I'll be happy to help anyone I can in return for all of the help I've
received >from all of you. Happy Passover.

Dorothy Schaefer
Plymouth, Mn.


Re: Birth certificates #hungary

Pamela Weisberger <thewks@...>
 

In recent postings regarding birth certificates, several genners have
provided information on how these documents were filled out. I'd like to
hear >from anyone who knows additional information on the procedures for
reporting births in the United States, especially in the larger cities,
from the 1880s through the 1920s.
-Was there a time requirement by which one had to report a birth,
especially a home (versus hospital) birth?

-On several birth certificates >from that era I've found that the birth was
reported by a woman, with a Jewish (but unfamiliar to me) surname,
indicating that she might have been a midwife (or neighbor?) but not a
relative. Who usually did this reporting?

-Was a NYC birth certificate filled out in the hand of the person doing
the reporting, or by a city official taking down verbal information?

-Did most Jewish women avail themselves of midwives at that time? And if
the person witnessing the birth was requred to report it, is this why the
husbands (fathers of the chidren) were not the ones usually doing the
reporting?

-Does there exist any written guidelines >from this era (>from New York
City, for example) in which the requirements for reporting a birth are
detailed?

These answers--along with those already provided by some genners-- would
be useful in analyzing information on these certificates. On one I
obtained , my grandmother's date of birth was off by three weeks >from what
my mother swore she remembered it being. On closer examination, I saw
that the "reporting" date was identical to the given "birth date." At
that point I realized it must have been a clerical error (or mental
lapse) since it was unlikely that a birth would have been reported on the
same day it occured, yet if i had gone only by the birth index I would
have been confused or misled. Also on this certificate, by great-
grandfather was listed only with an inital "B" instead of a first
name...probably because the person doing the reporting had forgotten the
name or was unsure. On another certificate the surname of (what I
believe to be) "Kempner" was reported as "Kafner," so...these documents
are useful guides in our searches, but not the final, absolute word.

Still... any further information would be much appreciated,
including any written resources on this topic, as well as information on
the role of midwives at this time period.

Thank you!

Pamela Weisberger
thewks@hotmail.com
Santa Monica, CA


Lea STEINER VOGEL #general

Mimi Katz <geveret@...>
 

I'm looking for descendants of Lea STEINER VOGEL, b. Bohemia 1899. She
married Ottokar VOGEL in Prague, 1925. Ottokar died at Auschwitz; Lea
survived and was liberated >from Terezin.

Please do not reply to sender. Email address has been altered to avoid
spam. The correct email address is below.
Mimi Katz, Chicago
geveretk@core.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Birth Certificate #general

Dschaefer3@...
 

Dear Genners,
I want to offer a collective THANK YOU for the wonderful responses to
my problem. You've given me several new avenues to research. The FHC has
been one of my favorites, however, the one I've always used is closed
until September,2001 for structural repairs.
I'll be happy to help anyone I can in return for all of the help I've
received >from all of you. Happy Passover.

Dorothy Schaefer
Plymouth, Mn.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Birth certificates #general

Pamela Weisberger <thewks@...>
 

In recent postings regarding birth certificates, several genners have
provided information on how these documents were filled out. I'd like to
hear >from anyone who knows additional information on the procedures for
reporting births in the United States, especially in the larger cities,
from the 1880s through the 1920s.
-Was there a time requirement by which one had to report a birth,
especially a home (versus hospital) birth?

-On several birth certificates >from that era I've found that the birth was
reported by a woman, with a Jewish (but unfamiliar to me) surname,
indicating that she might have been a midwife (or neighbor?) but not a
relative. Who usually did this reporting?

-Was a NYC birth certificate filled out in the hand of the person doing
the reporting, or by a city official taking down verbal information?

-Did most Jewish women avail themselves of midwives at that time? And if
the person witnessing the birth was requred to report it, is this why the
husbands (fathers of the chidren) were not the ones usually doing the
reporting?

-Does there exist any written guidelines >from this era (>from New York
City, for example) in which the requirements for reporting a birth are
detailed?

These answers--along with those already provided by some genners-- would
be useful in analyzing information on these certificates. On one I
obtained , my grandmother's date of birth was off by three weeks >from what
my mother swore she remembered it being. On closer examination, I saw
that the "reporting" date was identical to the given "birth date." At
that point I realized it must have been a clerical error (or mental
lapse) since it was unlikely that a birth would have been reported on the
same day it occured, yet if i had gone only by the birth index I would
have been confused or misled. Also on this certificate, by great-
grandfather was listed only with an inital "B" instead of a first
name...probably because the person doing the reporting had forgotten the
name or was unsure. On another certificate the surname of (what I
believe to be) "Kempner" was reported as "Kafner," so...these documents
are useful guides in our searches, but not the final, absolute word.

Still... any further information would be much appreciated,
including any written resources on this topic, as well as information on
the role of midwives at this time period.

Thank you!

Pamela Weisberger
thewks@hotmail.com
Santa Monica, CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Lea STEINER VOGEL #general

Mimi Katz <geveret@...>
 

I'm looking for descendants of Lea STEINER VOGEL, b. Bohemia 1899. She
married Ottokar VOGEL in Prague, 1925. Ottokar died at Auschwitz; Lea
survived and was liberated >from Terezin.

Please do not reply to sender. Email address has been altered to avoid
spam. The correct email address is below.
Mimi Katz, Chicago
geveretk@core.com


Updated Lodz Surnames List #poland

Seflaum@...
 

The list of surnames >from the city of Lodz now contained in the JRI-Poland
database has been updated. Surname lists >from both the Lodz Shtetl CO-OP
Project (1826-1877) and the city of Lodz PSA Project (1878-1898) have been
updated and consolidated into one list, which may be found at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/psa/lodzsurn.htm>.

Links to this and other towns' surname lists may be found by clicking on
"Contents of the Database" or "Polish State Archives" in the navigational
table at the top of the JRI-Poland home page,
<http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/>.

JRI-Poland provides lists of surnames as an aid in searching for your family
in its database. Try looking at surname lists to find alternative spellings
of your surnames of interest. A search using these alternative spellings may
turn up data you may not have previously found.

Regards,
Shirley Rotbein Flaum
Lodz JRI-Poland / PSA Coordinator


JRI Poland #Poland Updated Lodz Surnames List #poland

Seflaum@...
 

The list of surnames >from the city of Lodz now contained in the JRI-Poland
database has been updated. Surname lists >from both the Lodz Shtetl CO-OP
Project (1826-1877) and the city of Lodz PSA Project (1878-1898) have been
updated and consolidated into one list, which may be found at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/psa/lodzsurn.htm>.

Links to this and other towns' surname lists may be found by clicking on
"Contents of the Database" or "Polish State Archives" in the navigational
table at the top of the JRI-Poland home page,
<http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/>.

JRI-Poland provides lists of surnames as an aid in searching for your family
in its database. Try looking at surname lists to find alternative spellings
of your surnames of interest. A search using these alternative spellings may
turn up data you may not have previously found.

Regards,
Shirley Rotbein Flaum
Lodz JRI-Poland / PSA Coordinator


Updated Lodz Surnames List from JRI-Poland #general

Seflaum@...
 

Dear Fellow Genners,

The list of surnames >from the city of Lodz now contained in the JRI-Poland
database, has been updated. Surname lists >from both the Lodz Shtetl CO-OP
Project (1826-1877) and the city of Lodz PSA Project (1878-1898) have been
updated and consolidated into one list, which may be found at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/psa/lodzsurn.htm>.

Links to this and other towns' surname lists may be found by clicking on
"Contents of the Database" or "Polish State Archives" in the navigational
table at the top of the JRI-Poland home page,
<http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/>.

JRI-Poland provides lists of surnames as an aid in searching for your
family in its database. Try looking at surname lists to find alternative
spellings of your surnames of interest. A search using these alternative
spellings may turn up data you may not have previously found.

Regards,
Shirley Rotbein Flaum
Lodz JRI-Poland / PSA Coordinator


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Updated Lodz Surnames List from JRI-Poland #general

Seflaum@...
 

Dear Fellow Genners,

The list of surnames >from the city of Lodz now contained in the JRI-Poland
database, has been updated. Surname lists >from both the Lodz Shtetl CO-OP
Project (1826-1877) and the city of Lodz PSA Project (1878-1898) have been
updated and consolidated into one list, which may be found at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/psa/lodzsurn.htm>.

Links to this and other towns' surname lists may be found by clicking on
"Contents of the Database" or "Polish State Archives" in the navigational
table at the top of the JRI-Poland home page,
<http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/>.

JRI-Poland provides lists of surnames as an aid in searching for your
family in its database. Try looking at surname lists to find alternative
spellings of your surnames of interest. A search using these alternative
spellings may turn up data you may not have previously found.

Regards,
Shirley Rotbein Flaum
Lodz JRI-Poland / PSA Coordinator


Typo in previous letter #ukraine

Marvin Israel <misrael@...>
 

Please change last word in prior e-mail to Gubernia , not gibbering. My
spell checker hiccupped.

----- Original Message -----
From: Marvin Israel <misrael@nycap.rr.com>
To: <ukraine@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 1:10 PM


In response to:

<< But during WWII he would have gotten
an ALIEN REGISTRATION.
This document would give you all the information you are searching
for. >>

My grandfather was Naturalized early in the century, but my grandmother
never
became a citizen until the 1960's. They were married when my grandfather
became a citizen. Would my grandmother been required to register? If so,
this
might help my search, as she never could remember what date and ship she
arrive on. I believe she was Naturalized under a special rule for such
instances.

Stewart Bernstein


If your grandparents were married prior to 1922 and if your grandfather
became a citizen prior to 1922 or was already a citizen at the time of the
marriage then your grandmother would have automatically received
citizenship.

Marvin Israel
misrael@nycap.rr.com

researching Fliegelman, Romm in Kiyev Gibbering


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Typo in previous letter #ukraine

Marvin Israel <misrael@...>
 

Please change last word in prior e-mail to Gubernia , not gibbering. My
spell checker hiccupped.

----- Original Message -----
From: Marvin Israel <misrael@nycap.rr.com>
To: <ukraine@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 1:10 PM


In response to:

<< But during WWII he would have gotten
an ALIEN REGISTRATION.
This document would give you all the information you are searching
for. >>

My grandfather was Naturalized early in the century, but my grandmother
never
became a citizen until the 1960's. They were married when my grandfather
became a citizen. Would my grandmother been required to register? If so,
this
might help my search, as she never could remember what date and ship she
arrive on. I believe she was Naturalized under a special rule for such
instances.

Stewart Bernstein


If your grandparents were married prior to 1922 and if your grandfather
became a citizen prior to 1922 or was already a citizen at the time of the
marriage then your grandmother would have automatically received
citizenship.

Marvin Israel
misrael@nycap.rr.com

researching Fliegelman, Romm in Kiyev Gibbering


Re: Who is 'Belziszer Rebbe'? #general

Gaby Neuburger <neuburgerg@...>
 

Is is possible you are looking for the Belzer Rebbe - who is and was
(there have been several of them) the Rebbe of the Belzer Chassidim? If
so you might start by searching under this spelling on the internet.

Hope this helps

Gaby Neuburger

Vladimir Tetelbaum wrote:

Hi,

What does 'Belziszer' mean? Where can I find
information about this Chassidic Rebbe? He lived at
the end of 19th century, probably in Ukraine or
Moldova.

Any help is appreciated.

Thank you.
Vladimir Tetelbaum
Foster City, CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Who is 'Belziszer Rebbe'? #general

Gaby Neuburger <neuburgerg@...>
 

Is is possible you are looking for the Belzer Rebbe - who is and was
(there have been several of them) the Rebbe of the Belzer Chassidim? If
so you might start by searching under this spelling on the internet.

Hope this helps

Gaby Neuburger

Vladimir Tetelbaum wrote:

Hi,

What does 'Belziszer' mean? Where can I find
information about this Chassidic Rebbe? He lived at
the end of 19th century, probably in Ukraine or
Moldova.

Any help is appreciated.

Thank you.
Vladimir Tetelbaum
Foster City, CA


JRI-Poland: Updated Lodz Surnames page #poland #lodz

Seflaum@...
 

Dear Fellow Researchers,

The list of surnames >from the city of Lodz now contained in the JRI-Poland
database, has been updated. Surname lists >from both the Lodz Shtetl CO-OP
Project (1826-1877) and the city of Lodz PSA Project (1878-1898) have been
updated and consolidated into one list, which may be found at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/psa/lodzsurn.htm>.

Links to this and other towns' surname lists may be found by clicking on
"Contents of the Database" or "Polish State Archives" in the navigational
table at the top of the JRI-Poland home page,
<http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/>.

JRI-Poland provides lists of surnames as an aid in searching for your family
in its database. Try looking at surname lists to find alternative spellings
of your surnames of interest. A search using these alternative spellings may
turn up data you may not have previously found.

Regards,
Shirley Rotbein Flaum
Lodz JRI-Poland / PSA Coordinator


Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland JRI-Poland: Updated Lodz Surnames page #lodz #poland

Seflaum@...
 

Dear Fellow Researchers,

The list of surnames >from the city of Lodz now contained in the JRI-Poland
database, has been updated. Surname lists >from both the Lodz Shtetl CO-OP
Project (1826-1877) and the city of Lodz PSA Project (1878-1898) have been
updated and consolidated into one list, which may be found at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/psa/lodzsurn.htm>.

Links to this and other towns' surname lists may be found by clicking on
"Contents of the Database" or "Polish State Archives" in the navigational
table at the top of the JRI-Poland home page,
<http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/>.

JRI-Poland provides lists of surnames as an aid in searching for your family
in its database. Try looking at surname lists to find alternative spellings
of your surnames of interest. A search using these alternative spellings may
turn up data you may not have previously found.

Regards,
Shirley Rotbein Flaum
Lodz JRI-Poland / PSA Coordinator


HIAS #general

zerakodesh@...
 

Hello
I would like to know if there is a file in Boston of people entering
the country in 1912 or 13. What is there mailing address? My mother entered
the country >from England.
Thank you
Esther Feinstein Sackheim
ZeraKodesh@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen HIAS #general

zerakodesh@...
 

Hello
I would like to know if there is a file in Boston of people entering
the country in 1912 or 13. What is there mailing address? My mother entered
the country >from England.
Thank you
Esther Feinstein Sackheim
ZeraKodesh@aol.com


Pre-1940 Alien #ukraine

Leonard Markowitz <priluki@...>
 

I am aware about alien registration during and after 1940,
but my grandmother died in 1937, in Philadelphia, after
living in this country for 29 years. She was never
naturalized and never even spoke English.

My ongoing communication with the INS has not resulted
in success, as yet. However, I'm still pursuing this, since
I can't believe that a woman lived for 29 years in this
country and that the INS has no record of her existence.

I have researched the usual sources such as marriage
certificates of her children as well as her death certificate,
passenger list and immigration card. I still do not know
her maiden name and not knowing that prevents me >from
tracing her in her native shtetl.

I will again review information >from the ethnic banks in
Philadelphia. I feel certain that one or more of her sons
pre-paid and arranged for her passage to Philadelphia in
1909.

Len Markowitz priluki@voicenet.com
Philadelphia


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Pre-1940 Alien #ukraine

Leonard Markowitz <priluki@...>
 

I am aware about alien registration during and after 1940,
but my grandmother died in 1937, in Philadelphia, after
living in this country for 29 years. She was never
naturalized and never even spoke English.

My ongoing communication with the INS has not resulted
in success, as yet. However, I'm still pursuing this, since
I can't believe that a woman lived for 29 years in this
country and that the INS has no record of her existence.

I have researched the usual sources such as marriage
certificates of her children as well as her death certificate,
passenger list and immigration card. I still do not know
her maiden name and not knowing that prevents me >from
tracing her in her native shtetl.

I will again review information >from the ethnic banks in
Philadelphia. I feel certain that one or more of her sons
pre-paid and arranged for her passage to Philadelphia in
1909.

Len Markowitz priluki@voicenet.com
Philadelphia