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Re: location of Kreviniatz #ukraine

NFatouros@...
 

In a message dated 9/5/02 8:50:52 PM, Andrew Blumberg
(ajb61@...) writes:

<< Can anyone tell me is they have ever heard of a town called Kreviniatz
in Ukraine, and where it is located.>>

Although I didn't recall having seen the name of this town before, I did
a few cursory searches in the several gazetteers and other books I own,
but I found nothing much like that spelling.

I would like to know how Mr. Blumberg knows of this town. Was it by word
of mouth, >from a document, >from a ship manifest transcription?

If it was by word of mouth, with what language was that mouth most
familiar? If it was >from a document like a naturalization paper, was the
person who filled it out literate in writing English? If it was >from ship
manifest was it an Ellis Island's text transcription (which are often
garbled), or was it >from viewing the image of the actual ship manifest
( not that what ships' agents wrote down was always accurate).

And has Mr. Blumberg tried using Jewishgen's ShtetlSeeker?


Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@...

Researching: BELKOWSKY and BIELKOWSKY, Odessa and Berdichev;ROTHSTEIN,
Kremenchug; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse;
SAS or SASS,Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Korostyshev; BEHAM, Salok and
Kharkov; WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: location of Kreviniatz #ukraine

NFatouros@...
 

In a message dated 9/5/02 8:50:52 PM, Andrew Blumberg
(ajb61@...) writes:

<< Can anyone tell me is they have ever heard of a town called Kreviniatz
in Ukraine, and where it is located.>>

Although I didn't recall having seen the name of this town before, I did
a few cursory searches in the several gazetteers and other books I own,
but I found nothing much like that spelling.

I would like to know how Mr. Blumberg knows of this town. Was it by word
of mouth, >from a document, >from a ship manifest transcription?

If it was by word of mouth, with what language was that mouth most
familiar? If it was >from a document like a naturalization paper, was the
person who filled it out literate in writing English? If it was >from ship
manifest was it an Ellis Island's text transcription (which are often
garbled), or was it >from viewing the image of the actual ship manifest
( not that what ships' agents wrote down was always accurate).

And has Mr. Blumberg tried using Jewishgen's ShtetlSeeker?


Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@...

Researching: BELKOWSKY and BIELKOWSKY, Odessa and Berdichev;ROTHSTEIN,
Kremenchug; FELDMAN, Pinsk; SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets; LEVY, Mulhouse;
SAS or SASS,Podwolochisk; RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Korostyshev; BEHAM, Salok and
Kharkov; WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


Parow Synagogue #southafrica

Lehmkuhl <rsa2can@...>
 

The Jewish Synagogue in Hopkins Street, Parow, which was donated to the
town by the Jewish community eight years ago (on condition that it be used
as a town museum), recently saw renovation work on its exterior.

A small amount of money was also recently paid, in order to take over the
property. There are plans to make the museum a satellite of the Cape Town
museum.

The interior of the synagogue needs extensive renovations.The ceiling and
the wooden floors will have to be replaced. The rest of the building,
erected in 1950, is in a good condition. The original architect was Alfred
H. HANIKMAN.

It will cost approx. R350 000 to renovate the interior, and it will cost a
lot more to turn it into a museum.

When the Parow Town Council took over the building in 1994, it was
estimated that it would cost R1,4 million to turn it into a museum. Gawie
Fagan Architects were consulted at that time, but nothing was decided and
the council left the building to stand as was. The general public often
complained that the building was being mis-used because it was vacant.

The Schul across the street has been used as a museum since 1994,but it is
more of a storage room because it is too small to serve as a museum.=20

Parow Town Council tried, on a few occasions, to have the Synagogue
demolished to make way for the central business district development. Now,
Mrs. Louise ING, who serves as curator of the Parow Museum, has been
appointed by the Cape Town City Council as co-ordinating project manager
for cultural heritage for the city of Cape Town.

______________________________________
Anne Lehmkuhl
http://www.rupert.net/~lkool/


My Apologies to Everyone #ukraine

FREYAB@...
 

Dear Genners,

Is my face red! As your moderator I should have investigated more
carefully before posting the lists of surnames >from Veniamin Tsibka and
the Algonica lists >from Sumy, Ukraine. I did not realize these were
being offered as a means of paid research. At this point we have no
information as to the reliability of the people or agency.....so if you
are prepared to send them an order, please use due diligence. Because
this never should have been posted in the first place, we will post no
further lists >from these people but will ask Joyce Field, JewishGen's
Vice President for Research to pursue the matter to see if a project
can be developed. At least we would then have assurance of reliability.


Freya Blitstein Maslov


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Parow Synagogue #southafrica

Lehmkuhl <rsa2can@...>
 

The Jewish Synagogue in Hopkins Street, Parow, which was donated to the
town by the Jewish community eight years ago (on condition that it be used
as a town museum), recently saw renovation work on its exterior.

A small amount of money was also recently paid, in order to take over the
property. There are plans to make the museum a satellite of the Cape Town
museum.

The interior of the synagogue needs extensive renovations.The ceiling and
the wooden floors will have to be replaced. The rest of the building,
erected in 1950, is in a good condition. The original architect was Alfred
H. HANIKMAN.

It will cost approx. R350 000 to renovate the interior, and it will cost a
lot more to turn it into a museum.

When the Parow Town Council took over the building in 1994, it was
estimated that it would cost R1,4 million to turn it into a museum. Gawie
Fagan Architects were consulted at that time, but nothing was decided and
the council left the building to stand as was. The general public often
complained that the building was being mis-used because it was vacant.

The Schul across the street has been used as a museum since 1994,but it is
more of a storage room because it is too small to serve as a museum.=20

Parow Town Council tried, on a few occasions, to have the Synagogue
demolished to make way for the central business district development. Now,
Mrs. Louise ING, who serves as curator of the Parow Museum, has been
appointed by the Cape Town City Council as co-ordinating project manager
for cultural heritage for the city of Cape Town.

______________________________________
Anne Lehmkuhl
http://www.rupert.net/~lkool/


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine My Apologies to Everyone #ukraine

FREYAB@...
 

Dear Genners,

Is my face red! As your moderator I should have investigated more
carefully before posting the lists of surnames >from Veniamin Tsibka and
the Algonica lists >from Sumy, Ukraine. I did not realize these were
being offered as a means of paid research. At this point we have no
information as to the reliability of the people or agency.....so if you
are prepared to send them an order, please use due diligence. Because
this never should have been posted in the first place, we will post no
further lists >from these people but will ask Joyce Field, JewishGen's
Vice President for Research to pursue the matter to see if a project
can be developed. At least we would then have assurance of reliability.


Freya Blitstein Maslov


Forthcoming Moderator Leave #unitedkingdom

JCR-UK Moderator <jcr-uk-mod@...>
 

Please be advised that should there be any messages written to the
group, there will be no moderating and thus no postings >from now until
tomorrow (Saturday) evening - UK time.

I wish you all a Shabbat shalom and a healthy, happy and peaceful New
Year.

Louise Messik
Lead Moderator
JCR-UK


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Forthcoming Moderator Leave #unitedkingdom

JCR-UK Moderator <jcr-uk-mod@...>
 

Please be advised that should there be any messages written to the
group, there will be no moderating and thus no postings >from now until
tomorrow (Saturday) evening - UK time.

I wish you all a Shabbat shalom and a healthy, happy and peaceful New
Year.

Louise Messik
Lead Moderator
JCR-UK


Wishes for a Good New Year #general

Yeruchem & Fraida Cohen
 

May the coming year of 5763 be one of prosperity, health, nachas, all in
great abundance and peace and good news for all of us.

Yeruchem and Fraida Cohen

Researching:
TAUBER - Harasz, Austria> NY; MARKS - Pultusk, Poland> NY
POMERANTZ - Warsaw, Tarnow>NY, MA; HODES - Minsk or Odessa>NY
COHEN - Minsk or Kiyev>NY; SCHALL - Austria>NY


Re: Landsmanshaft organization Query #general

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz <idayosef@...>
 

Dear Ron,
There could be a very simple reason. It is possible that the original
organization used Yiddish at its meetings and the younger members wanted
to conduct meetings in English, so they became the "New Nook(?)"
Ida

-----Original Message-----
<< My grandmother was, for many years the President of the Proskurov Ladies
Society, division of the Proskurov Zion Society. Upon her death the PZS
placed a special bronze plaque on her gravestone in honor of her many
years of totally dedicated service to the organization and for her
untiring work in raising funds for Proskurovites who suffered the Pogroms
and the Nazi occupation.

Most of the collateral family members were also members, and officers of
PZS and also of the offshoot "New Nook" society. Why this offshoot was
ever formed is a question I've never been able to answer. It certainly has
nothing to do with any 'shtetl' by that name. A rift between the PZS
members, perhaps?

Ron Goldman, FL.
preshtek@... >>


Re: 1930 address in New York City..probably Brooklyn #general

One of the Krivs <lkriv@...>
 

Dear Gary,

You can go to your local LDS Genealogy Family Center and order, for $3.50 a
piece, microfilms of the Brooklyn City Directories. They let you keep it
for a month, with a one month renewal. It usually takes between 2-3 weeks
for the films to arrive >from Salt Lake City, but you can view them at your
convenience at the local centers. This has been and invaluable source of
information for me. If you live in the NYC area, you can probably find the
same microfilms at the main Public Libraries.

Larry Kriv


"Gary Gluck" <gagluck@...> wrote

Are there any available resources...either online or offline..that would
allow me to discover a 1930 address for an ancestor. I have no other
information about this person other than they lived in NYC.

MODERATOR NOTE: The JewishGen FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) and
the InfoFiles have many suggestions for this and other "where do I
start" questions. Read especially the information about the LDS
Family History Centers, where volunteers can help you find what you
need among a great variety of resources.


Re: How to research a name change? #general

Adelle Gloger
 

Merle Kastner asked:

Can anyone tell me how to research a name
change, which occurred after the immigration
process was complete and when the person was
already in the US?

It is not known whether the naturalization
took place before or after the change of name.

When one applied for citizenship a certificate of arrival was issued to
verify that the person did indeed enter the US, on what date and which
port. The ship's passenger manifest usually has information by means of
entering the number of the Petition for Naturalization on the line where
the passenger's name appears.

Naturalization papers usually indicate the name under which the person
entered the country. If the name change took place at the time of
naturalization both names--original and new will appear on the Petition for
Naturalilzation.

So, first check the passenger manifest to see if there is a notation
regarding naturalization. Further information can be accessed through
Immigration and Naturalization (INS) under the freedom of information act,
or if you know in which court the naturalilzation took place, contact
them.

Another source of information could be the original voter registration
card. One had to present proof of citizenship (naturalization or US birth
certificate) in order to register. That card/application will have the
date of naturallization and the court in which it ocurred.

Adelle Weintraub Gloger
Shaker Hts., Ohio
agloger@...


Document Orders to PSA #general

Mel Sofian <msofian@...>
 

While Mark Halpern's postings on this subject offer some hope that we
can soon start submitting orders again, I am still anxious about orders
that have already been sent, with no indication as to the status of such
orders. I have an order pending that I submtted in March.

How can I find out if that order has even been received, Follow-up
letters (duly translated into Polish) have had no reply.

I have checked with my bank, and was told that the cashier's check has
not been presented for payment. What happens when the bank's validity
date on the check has passed ("Valid for 90 days")?

Should the order be re-issued, with a new check? I have received
e-mails >from a number of other genners with similar problems, indicating
that quite a few others are in the same boat.

Mel Sofian
Studio City, CA


VAN RENSBURG #general

caroz@...
 

Hi there,

Where did the name VAN RENSBURG originate? >from which country?

Shana Tova!
Anna Barker (Israel).


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Wishes for a Good New Year #general

Yeruchem & Fraida Cohen
 

May the coming year of 5763 be one of prosperity, health, nachas, all in
great abundance and peace and good news for all of us.

Yeruchem and Fraida Cohen

Researching:
TAUBER - Harasz, Austria> NY; MARKS - Pultusk, Poland> NY
POMERANTZ - Warsaw, Tarnow>NY, MA; HODES - Minsk or Odessa>NY
COHEN - Minsk or Kiyev>NY; SCHALL - Austria>NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Landsmanshaft organization Query #general

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz <idayosef@...>
 

Dear Ron,
There could be a very simple reason. It is possible that the original
organization used Yiddish at its meetings and the younger members wanted
to conduct meetings in English, so they became the "New Nook(?)"
Ida

-----Original Message-----
<< My grandmother was, for many years the President of the Proskurov Ladies
Society, division of the Proskurov Zion Society. Upon her death the PZS
placed a special bronze plaque on her gravestone in honor of her many
years of totally dedicated service to the organization and for her
untiring work in raising funds for Proskurovites who suffered the Pogroms
and the Nazi occupation.

Most of the collateral family members were also members, and officers of
PZS and also of the offshoot "New Nook" society. Why this offshoot was
ever formed is a question I've never been able to answer. It certainly has
nothing to do with any 'shtetl' by that name. A rift between the PZS
members, perhaps?

Ron Goldman, FL.
preshtek@... >>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: 1930 address in New York City..probably Brooklyn #general

One of the Krivs <lkriv@...>
 

Dear Gary,

You can go to your local LDS Genealogy Family Center and order, for $3.50 a
piece, microfilms of the Brooklyn City Directories. They let you keep it
for a month, with a one month renewal. It usually takes between 2-3 weeks
for the films to arrive >from Salt Lake City, but you can view them at your
convenience at the local centers. This has been and invaluable source of
information for me. If you live in the NYC area, you can probably find the
same microfilms at the main Public Libraries.

Larry Kriv


"Gary Gluck" <gagluck@...> wrote

Are there any available resources...either online or offline..that would
allow me to discover a 1930 address for an ancestor. I have no other
information about this person other than they lived in NYC.

MODERATOR NOTE: The JewishGen FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) and
the InfoFiles have many suggestions for this and other "where do I
start" questions. Read especially the information about the LDS
Family History Centers, where volunteers can help you find what you
need among a great variety of resources.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: How to research a name change? #general

Adelle Gloger
 

Merle Kastner asked:

Can anyone tell me how to research a name
change, which occurred after the immigration
process was complete and when the person was
already in the US?

It is not known whether the naturalization
took place before or after the change of name.

When one applied for citizenship a certificate of arrival was issued to
verify that the person did indeed enter the US, on what date and which
port. The ship's passenger manifest usually has information by means of
entering the number of the Petition for Naturalization on the line where
the passenger's name appears.

Naturalization papers usually indicate the name under which the person
entered the country. If the name change took place at the time of
naturalization both names--original and new will appear on the Petition for
Naturalilzation.

So, first check the passenger manifest to see if there is a notation
regarding naturalization. Further information can be accessed through
Immigration and Naturalization (INS) under the freedom of information act,
or if you know in which court the naturalilzation took place, contact
them.

Another source of information could be the original voter registration
card. One had to present proof of citizenship (naturalization or US birth
certificate) in order to register. That card/application will have the
date of naturallization and the court in which it ocurred.

Adelle Weintraub Gloger
Shaker Hts., Ohio
agloger@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Document Orders to PSA #general

Mel Sofian <msofian@...>
 

While Mark Halpern's postings on this subject offer some hope that we
can soon start submitting orders again, I am still anxious about orders
that have already been sent, with no indication as to the status of such
orders. I have an order pending that I submtted in March.

How can I find out if that order has even been received, Follow-up
letters (duly translated into Polish) have had no reply.

I have checked with my bank, and was told that the cashier's check has
not been presented for payment. What happens when the bank's validity
date on the check has passed ("Valid for 90 days")?

Should the order be re-issued, with a new check? I have received
e-mails >from a number of other genners with similar problems, indicating
that quite a few others are in the same boat.

Mel Sofian
Studio City, CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen VAN RENSBURG #general

caroz@...
 

Hi there,

Where did the name VAN RENSBURG originate? >from which country?

Shana Tova!
Anna Barker (Israel).