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Re: Too Many M's #general

Anita Citron <anitac47@...>
 

People were very loose with their names. In my family, Israel
Chaimovich became Chaim over here (although the manifest reads
"Israel") and but called himself Morris and was also known as
Hyman. Another member: Moshe became Morris which became Miguel
(on his migration to Argentina).

People changed their names quite readily and easily. As my
relative did, he used his shortened middle name (patronymic) but
then somehow became Morris.

It's all in a day's work.

Anita Citron
anitac47@optonline.net
Hicksville, NY
NADWORNY, SILVER, FLEISHER(Odessa, St.Petersburg), BENDERSKY
(Ladyzhin/Odessa),ODESSKY(Lipovets/Odessa), NEPOMNYATSHY
(Voznesensk/Odessa), TRACHTENBERG (Gritsev/Starykonstantinov/
Odessa/Vienna/Belgium), FURMAN (Pyatkovko/Odessa), FINGERHUT/
FINGERET (Ananyev/Voznesensk/Odessa), MEDNIK/WILDMAN (Berdichev)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Too Many M's #general

Anita Citron <anitac47@...>
 

People were very loose with their names. In my family, Israel
Chaimovich became Chaim over here (although the manifest reads
"Israel") and but called himself Morris and was also known as
Hyman. Another member: Moshe became Morris which became Miguel
(on his migration to Argentina).

People changed their names quite readily and easily. As my
relative did, he used his shortened middle name (patronymic) but
then somehow became Morris.

It's all in a day's work.

Anita Citron
anitac47@optonline.net
Hicksville, NY
NADWORNY, SILVER, FLEISHER(Odessa, St.Petersburg), BENDERSKY
(Ladyzhin/Odessa),ODESSKY(Lipovets/Odessa), NEPOMNYATSHY
(Voznesensk/Odessa), TRACHTENBERG (Gritsev/Starykonstantinov/
Odessa/Vienna/Belgium), FURMAN (Pyatkovko/Odessa), FINGERHUT/
FINGERET (Ananyev/Voznesensk/Odessa), MEDNIK/WILDMAN (Berdichev)


Morris Fried from Sitna near Minsk & Bessie Karlitsky From Dretchen Grodna #belarus

j.nitzberg@...
 

I am still looking for information on my father, Morris Fried. I believe he and other members of his family changed their name when they got to this country or before they left Europe. There was a large part of the family in the New York area. My mother came to this country >from Grodna gubernia shtetle Dretchen. I think she was 9 years old and came with her sister in law and 2 neices and nephews. I can find the ship the sister in law came on but not my mother. anyone having information of anyone of either name and location please
respond.
Judith Nitzberg, San Francisco, California


Belarus SIG #Belarus Morris Fried from Sitna near Minsk & Bessie Karlitsky From Dretchen Grodna #belarus

j.nitzberg@...
 

I am still looking for information on my father, Morris Fried. I believe he and other members of his family changed their name when they got to this country or before they left Europe. There was a large part of the family in the New York area. My mother came to this country >from Grodna gubernia shtetle Dretchen. I think she was 9 years old and came with her sister in law and 2 neices and nephews. I can find the ship the sister in law came on but not my mother. anyone having information of anyone of either name and location please
respond.
Judith Nitzberg, San Francisco, California


Re: Family Lore: AZULAI & MANDELBAUM #rabbinic

Benjamin Richler <benjaminr@...>
 

Earlier today, Deborah Taffler <taffler@pentagram.co.uk> wrote:

[...] the Sephardi rabbi only agreed to the marriage if the young
couple kept the Sephardi name: AZULAI. (The Ashkenazi name is
MANDELBAUM, possibly Simcha MANDELBAUM [...]
According to David Tidhar's Encyclopedia of Jewish luminaries in
Palestine, vol. 2 p. 657 (Jerusalem 1947 - in Hebrew), Baruch TOROWER,
who was descended >from R. Joel SIRKIS and traced his ancestry to
Rashi, married Faige, daughter of Hayyim Yosef David AZULAI (probably
a descendant of the HIDA) in 1878, and changed his name to AZULAI. His
brother was Simcha MANDELBAUM. His children wer Judah, Henia Berger,
Abraham, Shalom, Esther Schwartz, Isaiah (who went to the US) and
Hanna Segal

A curiosity. About 40 years ago when I was a student in Jerusalem I
rented a room on Kikar Shabbat corner of Mea Shearim >from a Yiddish
speaking Ashkenazi called Hayyim Yosef David Azulay.

Benjamin Richler


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Family Lore: AZULAI & MANDELBAUM #rabbinic

Benjamin Richler <benjaminr@...>
 

Earlier today, Deborah Taffler <taffler@pentagram.co.uk> wrote:

[...] the Sephardi rabbi only agreed to the marriage if the young
couple kept the Sephardi name: AZULAI. (The Ashkenazi name is
MANDELBAUM, possibly Simcha MANDELBAUM [...]
According to David Tidhar's Encyclopedia of Jewish luminaries in
Palestine, vol. 2 p. 657 (Jerusalem 1947 - in Hebrew), Baruch TOROWER,
who was descended >from R. Joel SIRKIS and traced his ancestry to
Rashi, married Faige, daughter of Hayyim Yosef David AZULAI (probably
a descendant of the HIDA) in 1878, and changed his name to AZULAI. His
brother was Simcha MANDELBAUM. His children wer Judah, Henia Berger,
Abraham, Shalom, Esther Schwartz, Isaiah (who went to the US) and
Hanna Segal

A curiosity. About 40 years ago when I was a student in Jerusalem I
rented a room on Kikar Shabbat corner of Mea Shearim >from a Yiddish
speaking Ashkenazi called Hayyim Yosef David Azulay.

Benjamin Richler


archive addresses #general

lili susser <susserl@...>
 

Hello
I am the guilty person who suggested you can write the polish
Archives by email. I should have mentioned you can get the
addresses by going to Google and typing in: Archiwum (town name)
Regards
Lili Susser
Susserl@attbi.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen archive addresses #general

lili susser <susserl@...>
 

Hello
I am the guilty person who suggested you can write the polish
Archives by email. I should have mentioned you can get the
addresses by going to Google and typing in: Archiwum (town name)
Regards
Lili Susser
Susserl@attbi.com


Re: Viznitz-Chotkov-Breslav Chasidut #rabbinic

Yoni Ben-Ari <yonatan@...>
 

Thanks to all those who replied regarding my message about three
generations and three different chassiduyot.

Very interesting.

Yoni Ben-Ari


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Viznitz-Chotkov-Breslav Chasidut #rabbinic

Yoni Ben-Ari <yonatan@...>
 

Thanks to all those who replied regarding my message about three
generations and three different chassiduyot.

Very interesting.

Yoni Ben-Ari


Shabtai #ukraine

Haviva Langenauer <havival@...>
 

Hi Genners,

This message is for Susan who asked about the name Shabsha.

A famous person in Jewish history was Shabbetai Zevi,(various spellings),
who thought he was a messiah (how appropriate for today).
You will find an article about him in the Encyclopedia Judaica or any other
history book on 17th century Judaism.
Your name Shabsha sounds like a version of this first name. It is a good
name, not necessarily with negative connotations. It was usually given to
someone who was born on the Sabbath.

Haviva Dolgin Langenauer
Palm Beach, Florida


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Shabtai #ukraine

Haviva Langenauer <havival@...>
 

Hi Genners,

This message is for Susan who asked about the name Shabsha.

A famous person in Jewish history was Shabbetai Zevi,(various spellings),
who thought he was a messiah (how appropriate for today).
You will find an article about him in the Encyclopedia Judaica or any other
history book on 17th century Judaism.
Your name Shabsha sounds like a version of this first name. It is a good
name, not necessarily with negative connotations. It was usually given to
someone who was born on the Sabbath.

Haviva Dolgin Langenauer
Palm Beach, Florida


Re: Meaning/origin of given name 'Shabsha' #ukraine

Prof. G. L. Esterson <jerry@...>
 

Susan Curelop of Seattle,WA posted as follows:

"Has anyone come across the given name of Shabsha? I haven't found it on
JewishGen's given name database and would like to find some information or
origin of the name. It came >from our great grandfather, and then father."

The Yiddish diminutive is linked to the Hebrew name Shabsay (Ezra
10:15). There are many other similar names which are also derived from
this Hebrew given name, such as: Shabe, Shabse, Shabshl, Shabsl, Shaps,
Shapse, Shapshl, Shepe, Sheps, Shepshl, Shepsl, ....... The Hebrew name
Shabsay also forms a legal double name with several other linked Yiddish
names: Sheftil, Sheftl, and Shepsil. These would be found in Gitin
(Jewish divorce contracts) as Shabsay hamechune (called)
Sheftil/Sheftl/Shepsil, and he would have been called to the Tora in an
aliya as Shabsay Sheftil/Sheftl/Shepsil.

In doing research of Shabshe, Susan should also be on the lookout for all
of these names, all of which could have been used in one archival document
or another.

Prof. G. L. Esterson, Ra'anana, Israel


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Meaning/origin of given name 'Shabsha' #ukraine

Prof. G. L. Esterson <jerry@...>
 

Susan Curelop of Seattle,WA posted as follows:

"Has anyone come across the given name of Shabsha? I haven't found it on
JewishGen's given name database and would like to find some information or
origin of the name. It came >from our great grandfather, and then father."

The Yiddish diminutive is linked to the Hebrew name Shabsay (Ezra
10:15). There are many other similar names which are also derived from
this Hebrew given name, such as: Shabe, Shabse, Shabshl, Shabsl, Shaps,
Shapse, Shapshl, Shepe, Sheps, Shepshl, Shepsl, ....... The Hebrew name
Shabsay also forms a legal double name with several other linked Yiddish
names: Sheftil, Sheftl, and Shepsil. These would be found in Gitin
(Jewish divorce contracts) as Shabsay hamechune (called)
Sheftil/Sheftl/Shepsil, and he would have been called to the Tora in an
aliya as Shabsay Sheftil/Sheftl/Shepsil.

In doing research of Shabshe, Susan should also be on the lookout for all
of these names, all of which could have been used in one archival document
or another.

Prof. G. L. Esterson, Ra'anana, Israel


NY Times archives. #general

saddle1150@...
 

Did the NY Times record immigrant arrivals at the port of New
York during the year 1889? If so, how can I access those archives
to check on the arrival of a family member on a particular day
of that year? Thank you, please respond privately.
George Freedman,
Orlando, FL


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen NY Times archives. #general

saddle1150@...
 

Did the NY Times record immigrant arrivals at the port of New
York during the year 1889? If so, how can I access those archives
to check on the arrival of a family member on a particular day
of that year? Thank you, please respond privately.
George Freedman,
Orlando, FL


From where comes the surname Zimmak? #general

Fred Zimmak <Fred.Zimmak@...>
 

Hi

I wounder >from where my surname ZIMMAK comes from.

When I saw what Michael Bernet wrote about Shimche it became
very intresting. I remember that when I took my BarMitzva, they
named used Simche as last name.Is it correct to assume that
Zimmak and Simche is the same?

My great grandfathers name was Wolff Zimak. He was burried in
Gilgenburg, WestPrussia (today Poland, Olsztynskie, Dabrowno)
sometimes after 1884. I don't know where he came from. But
for some time lived there and his proffesion was tradesman
("Kaufmann" in german). He was married to Julie Simson and
they had a lot of children in Gildgenburg. Most of the
children died during war.

The children spelled Zimmak in different ways: Zimmak, Zimak
and Zimack. With Z I have not found many people with the same
name. But Starting with S there are rather many.

Kindly
Fred Zimmak / Sweden

Seeking information about:
HOFER, FEST, Schrattenberg, Niederroesterreich. (Not Jews!); STEINER,
Leletitz, Prachen Austria (today Leletice, Prachensky, Czech repulic);
EHRLICH, Drahenitz, Prachen Austria (today Breznice, Prachensky, Czech
repulic); ROSENBERG, COHN, Stuhm, kr Stuhm, Westprussia (today Sztum,
Elblaskie, Poland); GOLDSCHMIDT, ROSENBERG, Dirschau, kr Dirschau,
Westprussia (today Tczew, Gdanskie, Poland); SIMSON, ZIMMAK, ....
[list truncated at six lines in accordance with JGDG policy]


Quick Way To Jump To Last Page Of Manifest?? #general

Joan Parker <housemom@...>
 

Dear Genners,

If I recall correctly, I have read when there is an X next to
the passenger's name it meant that they were held....and the
reason for being held is on the last page of the manifest.
Since we don't know how many pages there are in that particular
manifest, let alone the page number, is there a quick way to
get to the last page?

Shalom,
Joan Parker
Miami, FL
Searching: GOLDBERG and GOODSTEIN-Plock, Poland/Russia and
Brooklyn, NY; PINKUS and WINOGRAD-Brest, Litovok maybe Odessa,
Ukraine, and Brooklyn, NY; GELFAND, YEHUDIS, KATZ-Minsk and
Bronx, NY


Please Supply Email & Snail Mail Addresses #general

Joan Parker <housemom@...>
 

Dear Genners,

Just a reminder.

from time to time a request is made to the group how to get
records >from such and such a place. Our wonderful genners
provide the information, but some times a vital piece is
missing: ie: they can be reached by email....Wonderful, but
if you know they can be reached by email, please give us the
email address. Or in another case: I sent a letter and it
took x-amount of time for them to respond. Again, that
information of how long it took to get an answer is valuable,
but having the snail mail address is more valuable.

Shalom,
Joan Parker
President, JGS of Greater Miami, Inc.
Searching: GOLDBERG and GOODSTEIN-Plock, Poland/Russia and
Brooklyn, NY; PINKUS and WINOGRAD-Brest, Litovok maybe Odessa,
Ukraine, and Brooklyn, NY; GELFAND, YEHUDIS, KATZ-Minsk and
Bronx, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen From where comes the surname Zimmak? #general

Fred Zimmak <Fred.Zimmak@...>
 

Hi

I wounder >from where my surname ZIMMAK comes from.

When I saw what Michael Bernet wrote about Shimche it became
very intresting. I remember that when I took my BarMitzva, they
named used Simche as last name.Is it correct to assume that
Zimmak and Simche is the same?

My great grandfathers name was Wolff Zimak. He was burried in
Gilgenburg, WestPrussia (today Poland, Olsztynskie, Dabrowno)
sometimes after 1884. I don't know where he came from. But
for some time lived there and his proffesion was tradesman
("Kaufmann" in german). He was married to Julie Simson and
they had a lot of children in Gildgenburg. Most of the
children died during war.

The children spelled Zimmak in different ways: Zimmak, Zimak
and Zimack. With Z I have not found many people with the same
name. But Starting with S there are rather many.

Kindly
Fred Zimmak / Sweden

Seeking information about:
HOFER, FEST, Schrattenberg, Niederroesterreich. (Not Jews!); STEINER,
Leletitz, Prachen Austria (today Leletice, Prachensky, Czech repulic);
EHRLICH, Drahenitz, Prachen Austria (today Breznice, Prachensky, Czech
repulic); ROSENBERG, COHN, Stuhm, kr Stuhm, Westprussia (today Sztum,
Elblaskie, Poland); GOLDSCHMIDT, ROSENBERG, Dirschau, kr Dirschau,
Westprussia (today Tczew, Gdanskie, Poland); SIMSON, ZIMMAK, ....
[list truncated at six lines in accordance with JGDG policy]