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Re: Naturalization #belarus

Joan Parker <joanparker@...>
 

Dear Belarus Genners:
My grandfather on his Petition for Naturalization (1913) listed his name, birth date,
city and country of birth. Also listed his wife's first name/city and country of
birth with her maiden name, but no birth date. For his three children, name, date of
birth and country only and where they were living at the time of the Petition....As
an aside it showed that my father was born in Russia---since he came here so young he
was sure he was born in NY.

As for any wife's citizenship it depends on the year her husband was naturalized. The
alien resident had to be over the age
of 21. >from 1790 to 1922 a wife became naturalized through her husband. After
Sept.22, 1922 a married woman had to be naturalized on her own. Children under 21
became citizens automatically by naturalization of their parents.

Joan Parker
Immediate Past President
JGS of Greater Miami, Inc.
Miami, FL
joanparker@intergate.com
Searching: GOLDBERG, GOODSTEIN, BERGER-Plock, Poland/Russia and Brooklyn, NY;
PINKUS, WINOGRAD, ROSEN-Brest, Litovsk; Grodno, Russia maybe Odessa, Ukraine, Bronx
and Brooklyn, NY;
GELFAND, YEHUDIS, KATZ-Minsk, Bronx, NY, Miami and Miami Beach, FL.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adar Belinkoff" <adar@belinkoff.com>
To: "Belarus SIG" <belarus@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 4:27 PM
Subject: [belarus] Naturalization


Support the work of the Belarus SIG
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/belarus.html
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Although women became citizens upon their husband's naturalization, they
were rarely included in the petitions (so I have been told) because there
was no reason to include them. Voting was the only privilaege that came
with citizenship and women did not have the vote until 1920.

Adar Belinkoff
Claremont, CA


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Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Naturalization #belarus

Joan Parker <joanparker@...>
 

Dear Belarus Genners:
My grandfather on his Petition for Naturalization (1913) listed his name, birth date,
city and country of birth. Also listed his wife's first name/city and country of
birth with her maiden name, but no birth date. For his three children, name, date of
birth and country only and where they were living at the time of the Petition....As
an aside it showed that my father was born in Russia---since he came here so young he
was sure he was born in NY.

As for any wife's citizenship it depends on the year her husband was naturalized. The
alien resident had to be over the age
of 21. >from 1790 to 1922 a wife became naturalized through her husband. After
Sept.22, 1922 a married woman had to be naturalized on her own. Children under 21
became citizens automatically by naturalization of their parents.

Joan Parker
Immediate Past President
JGS of Greater Miami, Inc.
Miami, FL
joanparker@intergate.com
Searching: GOLDBERG, GOODSTEIN, BERGER-Plock, Poland/Russia and Brooklyn, NY;
PINKUS, WINOGRAD, ROSEN-Brest, Litovsk; Grodno, Russia maybe Odessa, Ukraine, Bronx
and Brooklyn, NY;
GELFAND, YEHUDIS, KATZ-Minsk, Bronx, NY, Miami and Miami Beach, FL.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adar Belinkoff" <adar@belinkoff.com>
To: "Belarus SIG" <belarus@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 4:27 PM
Subject: [belarus] Naturalization


Support the work of the Belarus SIG
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/belarus.html
*******************************************************
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Although women became citizens upon their husband's naturalization, they
were rarely included in the petitions (so I have been told) because there
was no reason to include them. Voting was the only privilaege that came
with citizenship and women did not have the vote until 1920.

Adar Belinkoff
Claremont, CA


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Moravia Bakers #austria-czech

Edna Berkovits
 

Dear Celia,
I have enjoyed reading many of your informative posts to the Austria-Czech SIG of
the last several months and was inspired to reply after the latest note on bakers.

According to census information >from the Prague Archive, my great-grandfather
was a baker in Uhersky Ostroh, Moravia. My grandfather was one of 9 children,
and perhaps he, too, helped in the bakery in his early years. I'll have to ask
my father and my uncle whether they remember hearing any stories about it.

Thanks for keeping those interesting tidbits coming to the SIG.
Regards,
Edna Berkovits
NJ USA

researching GRUNSPAN -Uhersky Ostroh, Opava, Wien
Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Moravia Bakers #austria-czech

Edna Berkovits
 

Dear Celia,
I have enjoyed reading many of your informative posts to the Austria-Czech SIG of
the last several months and was inspired to reply after the latest note on bakers.

According to census information >from the Prague Archive, my great-grandfather
was a baker in Uhersky Ostroh, Moravia. My grandfather was one of 9 children,
and perhaps he, too, helped in the bakery in his early years. I'll have to ask
my father and my uncle whether they remember hearing any stories about it.

Thanks for keeping those interesting tidbits coming to the SIG.
Regards,
Edna Berkovits
NJ USA

researching GRUNSPAN -Uhersky Ostroh, Opava, Wien
Remembering Dr Siegfried LOWY [1867-1942] - Kafka's uncle #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Here is some holiday reading for our SIG which I am sure many will enjoy,
although it inevitably ends in tragedy. It combines genealogy and fascinating
insights into the KAFKA family; if you enter "semicolon kafka" on to a well known
*Search Engine* you will find this URL - why I entered these search terms, I
cannot for the life of me remember, but the result is great:

http://mh.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/26/2/85

The article: Kafka's uncle: scenes >from a world of trust infected by suspicion,
by Iain Bamforth GP, Strasbourg, France appeared in the Journal of Medical Ethics
26:85-91 [2000] BMJ Publishing Group

Siegfried LOWY was born in 1867, elder half-brother of KAFKA's mother. After he
obtained his MD, he was the possessor of the only doctorate in the family until
Franz finshed his studies.

Siegfried was a doctor in Triesch [Trest - pop 4,800], Moravia, which lies
14 Km SW of Iglau [Jihlava], for about 40 years. Industries included wool and
spinning factories and a mine. The Jewish population of Triesch in 1930 was only
64, having dropped >from 169 in 1900, so Dr Siegfried LOWY must have had many
non-Jewish patients.

Not only did Siegfried hold a doctorate but he ...... "created a sensation in the
district when he became one of the first people in what was then an outpost of
the Austro-Hungarian empire to acquire a motorbike" .... identified as an NSU
Cantilever - the only one in Triesch. Franz also admired his horses, billiard
table and the library, well-stocked with all the German classics.

Dr Siegfried LOWY practised medicine in Triesch until his retirement. He then
moved to Prague to live with Franz's three sisters and their families. The night
before the whole family was due to be deported in 1942, Siegfried LOWY wrote his
will and committed suicide.

I hope there are still one or two people in Triesch who remember Dr Lowy with
gratitude and affection for his 40 years of devoted service to the community.

Celia Male [UK]
Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Remembering Dr Siegfried LOWY [1867-1942] - Kafka's uncle #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Here is some holiday reading for our SIG which I am sure many will enjoy,
although it inevitably ends in tragedy. It combines genealogy and fascinating
insights into the KAFKA family; if you enter "semicolon kafka" on to a well known
*Search Engine* you will find this URL - why I entered these search terms, I
cannot for the life of me remember, but the result is great:

http://mh.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/26/2/85

The article: Kafka's uncle: scenes >from a world of trust infected by suspicion,
by Iain Bamforth GP, Strasbourg, France appeared in the Journal of Medical Ethics
26:85-91 [2000] BMJ Publishing Group

Siegfried LOWY was born in 1867, elder half-brother of KAFKA's mother. After he
obtained his MD, he was the possessor of the only doctorate in the family until
Franz finshed his studies.

Siegfried was a doctor in Triesch [Trest - pop 4,800], Moravia, which lies
14 Km SW of Iglau [Jihlava], for about 40 years. Industries included wool and
spinning factories and a mine. The Jewish population of Triesch in 1930 was only
64, having dropped >from 169 in 1900, so Dr Siegfried LOWY must have had many
non-Jewish patients.

Not only did Siegfried hold a doctorate but he ...... "created a sensation in the
district when he became one of the first people in what was then an outpost of
the Austro-Hungarian empire to acquire a motorbike" .... identified as an NSU
Cantilever - the only one in Triesch. Franz also admired his horses, billiard
table and the library, well-stocked with all the German classics.

Dr Siegfried LOWY practised medicine in Triesch until his retirement. He then
moved to Prague to live with Franz's three sisters and their families. The night
before the whole family was due to be deported in 1942, Siegfried LOWY wrote his
will and committed suicide.

I hope there are still one or two people in Triesch who remember Dr Lowy with
gratitude and affection for his 40 years of devoted service to the community.

Celia Male [UK]
Kalman Kriegsman/Sarah Kleinman #poland

Susan Tait Porcaro <suetaitporcaro@...>
 

Hello
I recently received the death certificate for an ancestor, one Isidore
Kriegsman. he died 28 june 1910 in NY. His parents are listed as Kalman
Kriegsman and Sarah Kleinman, of Russia - Poland. Kalman emigrated
through Ellis Island 15 feb 1892 and died in NY in 1896. He was born
about 1836 in Poland. I believe many Kriegsmans lived in NYC and
Gloversville, NY. Looking for any connections in USA and in Poland.
Would like to find out what town they came from.
Thank you
Sue Tait Porcaro
Windsor, CT
JRI Poland #Poland Kalman Kriegsman/Sarah Kleinman #poland

Susan Tait Porcaro <suetaitporcaro@...>
 

Hello
I recently received the death certificate for an ancestor, one Isidore
Kriegsman. he died 28 june 1910 in NY. His parents are listed as Kalman
Kriegsman and Sarah Kleinman, of Russia - Poland. Kalman emigrated
through Ellis Island 15 feb 1892 and died in NY in 1896. He was born
about 1836 in Poland. I believe many Kriegsmans lived in NYC and
Gloversville, NY. Looking for any connections in USA and in Poland.
Would like to find out what town they came from.
Thank you
Sue Tait Porcaro
Windsor, CT
Re: BaRaK from Khotin, Bessarabia (now Ukraine) #rabbinic

Nachum Tuchman <nachum@...>
 

Earlier today, Marc M. Cohen <marc-cohen25@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Can any of you make any other suggestions about where I might look,
or do you know of any geneologies that might shed light on this 600+
year KALONYMOS gap >from Mainz, Speyer and Worms in the 1200s to
Khotin in the 1800s?
One of the places you can start with is the following website of
the Loeb family: http://www.loebtree.com/rashi.html#rashi
This link will take you to the family of Rashi but you can navigate
back through the home page, perhaps you'll find something else. Go
up to Rashi's father on the page that will open. There are some
mentions of Kalonymos >from whom Rashi's mother was descended, or at
least according to this site. I believe that there is not complete
agreement as to whether or not this is true.

Nachum Tuchman
Tekoa, Israel
Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: BaRaK from Khotin, Bessarabia (now Ukraine) #rabbinic

Nachum Tuchman <nachum@...>
 

Earlier today, Marc M. Cohen <marc-cohen25@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Can any of you make any other suggestions about where I might look,
or do you know of any geneologies that might shed light on this 600+
year KALONYMOS gap >from Mainz, Speyer and Worms in the 1200s to
Khotin in the 1800s?
One of the places you can start with is the following website of
the Loeb family: http://www.loebtree.com/rashi.html#rashi
This link will take you to the family of Rashi but you can navigate
back through the home page, perhaps you'll find something else. Go
up to Rashi's father on the page that will open. There are some
mentions of Kalonymos >from whom Rashi's mother was descended, or at
least according to this site. I believe that there is not complete
agreement as to whether or not this is true.

Nachum Tuchman
Tekoa, Israel
SHTEINHAUER and SKLOVSKI #ukraine

K. & L. Bertelsen <layakbtl@...>
 

I have been researching my late Mother's families >from Novy Gorod, Vilna
(STEINHAUER, LAPIDUS, SHTUTSER etc.), Hasenpoth-Kuldiga-Libau (ARONIS, PALM
etc.) and Odessa (LANDO, KOFMAN, with links to MORGULIEW, PERNIATYN,
NEMEROVSKY, SHOR, VITES, GDANSKY etc.).

In the last few weeks my fifth STEINHAUER cousin Paul and I have been
busily downloading hundreds of PoTs >from the incredible YV database and
trying to find lost links.

We are still exploring, but Paul found a PoT for Tsipa SHTENGAUER SKLOVSKI
ca.1863-1941, born in Feodosiya, Crimea, who lived in Genichesk,
Zaporozhye, and perished in Kharkov, Ukraine and also PoTs for two of Tzipa
SHTENGAUER SKLOVSKI's sons. Tzipa was the daughter of David SHTENGAUER.

Our earliest known ancestor was Moshe SHTENGOER and his only known son,
Shmuel SHTEINHAUER ca.1789-1835 died in Novy Gorod, Vilna.
Shmuel had three known sons:

1. Yaacov/Yankel ca.1817-1888 Novy Gorod Vilna (my GGGGF)
2. Abram-Shimen ca.1820-1848 (Paul's GGGGF)
3. David ca.1819-1834+

Although we have a massive amount of information about many of the
descendants of Yaacov and Abram-Shimen (who now live on all continents
except Antarctica!), we have not been able to find out anything about
David, except for the note on the 1850 Novy Gorod family census that David
had been listed on previous census (1834?) aged 15, but he was not present
when the 1850 census was taken.

One thing is for sure, all the 16 STEINHAUER (various spellings) listed on
the Vilna Ghetto lists were our family.

There are several STEINHAUER families listed on the JRIP DB, but there are
only about three with the name David or Dawid. It seems that David was not
a name that was usual in any STEINHAUER family. There are two listings on
the YV DB for a David SHTEINHOER b.1909 - probably for the same man who may
have been part of the Krakow or another Polish STEINHAUER family - which we
need to explore further.

It is possible that "our" David b.ca.1819, was conscripted into the Russian
Army and never allowed to return to Vilna (or wherever the family lived at
that time). Possibly he had a family, perhaps somewhere in southern
Ukraine. I haven't had a chance to check out the DB of agricultural
colonies yet, and it is possible that this family was not connected to
ours, or perhaps was related to one of the STEINHAUER families >from Krakow
or elsewhere in Poland.

However, we would very much like to follow up this and the associated PoTs
which were submitted in 1990 by Franya SKLOVSKI of Kharkov, Ukraine, the
grandson/granddaughter? of Tzipa STENGAUER SKLOVSKI.

Although Franya SKLOVSKI listed his/her Kharkov address in 1990, since then
there have been incredible migrations and it is possible the family may
have left former USSR. So, I thought it would be best to post to Ukraine
SIG first before trying to write to Kharkov (and having to ask our newly
discovered cousin now in Israel to translate into Russian Cyrillic).

Do the names SKLOVSKI or SHTEINHAUER ring any bells with anyone with links
to Genichesk, Feodisya or Kharkov? Does anyone know Franya SKLOVSKI or
his/her family? If so, we would very much like to hear >from you. We have
huge amounts of information about our STEINHAUER family to share.

Thanks for any information or help anyone can offer.

Lorraine Bertelsen
Boho, Downunder
Ukraine SIG #Ukraine SHTEINHAUER and SKLOVSKI #ukraine

K. & L. Bertelsen <layakbtl@...>
 

I have been researching my late Mother's families >from Novy Gorod, Vilna
(STEINHAUER, LAPIDUS, SHTUTSER etc.), Hasenpoth-Kuldiga-Libau (ARONIS, PALM
etc.) and Odessa (LANDO, KOFMAN, with links to MORGULIEW, PERNIATYN,
NEMEROVSKY, SHOR, VITES, GDANSKY etc.).

In the last few weeks my fifth STEINHAUER cousin Paul and I have been
busily downloading hundreds of PoTs >from the incredible YV database and
trying to find lost links.

We are still exploring, but Paul found a PoT for Tsipa SHTENGAUER SKLOVSKI
ca.1863-1941, born in Feodosiya, Crimea, who lived in Genichesk,
Zaporozhye, and perished in Kharkov, Ukraine and also PoTs for two of Tzipa
SHTENGAUER SKLOVSKI's sons. Tzipa was the daughter of David SHTENGAUER.

Our earliest known ancestor was Moshe SHTENGOER and his only known son,
Shmuel SHTEINHAUER ca.1789-1835 died in Novy Gorod, Vilna.
Shmuel had three known sons:

1. Yaacov/Yankel ca.1817-1888 Novy Gorod Vilna (my GGGGF)
2. Abram-Shimen ca.1820-1848 (Paul's GGGGF)
3. David ca.1819-1834+

Although we have a massive amount of information about many of the
descendants of Yaacov and Abram-Shimen (who now live on all continents
except Antarctica!), we have not been able to find out anything about
David, except for the note on the 1850 Novy Gorod family census that David
had been listed on previous census (1834?) aged 15, but he was not present
when the 1850 census was taken.

One thing is for sure, all the 16 STEINHAUER (various spellings) listed on
the Vilna Ghetto lists were our family.

There are several STEINHAUER families listed on the JRIP DB, but there are
only about three with the name David or Dawid. It seems that David was not
a name that was usual in any STEINHAUER family. There are two listings on
the YV DB for a David SHTEINHOER b.1909 - probably for the same man who may
have been part of the Krakow or another Polish STEINHAUER family - which we
need to explore further.

It is possible that "our" David b.ca.1819, was conscripted into the Russian
Army and never allowed to return to Vilna (or wherever the family lived at
that time). Possibly he had a family, perhaps somewhere in southern
Ukraine. I haven't had a chance to check out the DB of agricultural
colonies yet, and it is possible that this family was not connected to
ours, or perhaps was related to one of the STEINHAUER families >from Krakow
or elsewhere in Poland.

However, we would very much like to follow up this and the associated PoTs
which were submitted in 1990 by Franya SKLOVSKI of Kharkov, Ukraine, the
grandson/granddaughter? of Tzipa STENGAUER SKLOVSKI.

Although Franya SKLOVSKI listed his/her Kharkov address in 1990, since then
there have been incredible migrations and it is possible the family may
have left former USSR. So, I thought it would be best to post to Ukraine
SIG first before trying to write to Kharkov (and having to ask our newly
discovered cousin now in Israel to translate into Russian Cyrillic).

Do the names SKLOVSKI or SHTEINHAUER ring any bells with anyone with links
to Genichesk, Feodisya or Kharkov? Does anyone know Franya SKLOVSKI or
his/her family? If so, we would very much like to hear >from you. We have
huge amounts of information about our STEINHAUER family to share.

Thanks for any information or help anyone can offer.

Lorraine Bertelsen
Boho, Downunder
onsite research group? #ukraine

Moshe A Davis <davis@...>
 

Has anyone heard of this research group in the Ukraine?

(The Ukrainian Center of Genealogical Research)

http://www.genealogicaltree.org.ua/eng/eindex.html

Please reply privately.

Moshe Davis
Jerusalem

Moshe Davis <davis@sefer.org> Jerusalem
DAVIS/DAVIDOVICS >from Szeleslonka(Leh),Maramaros,Austro-Hungary; OH;CA.
HAYFER/CHAIMOVICS >from Kovesliget(Drahiv),Maramaros,Austro-Hungary;OH;NJ;CA.
WINARD/WINARSKY and METKOP >from Kiev;Argentina;NY;CA.
BRACKER/BRECHER >from Bucharest/Iasi,Romania;NY;CA;AZ.
ABRAMSON >from Zvil (Novograd-Volinsky),Ukraine;Cuba;MI;MA;NH.
YAHIA/YICHYA >from Istanbul;Cuba;MI;CA.
Ukraine SIG #Ukraine onsite research group? #ukraine

Moshe A Davis <davis@...>
 

Has anyone heard of this research group in the Ukraine?

(The Ukrainian Center of Genealogical Research)

http://www.genealogicaltree.org.ua/eng/eindex.html

Please reply privately.

Moshe Davis
Jerusalem

Moshe Davis <davis@sefer.org> Jerusalem
DAVIS/DAVIDOVICS >from Szeleslonka(Leh),Maramaros,Austro-Hungary; OH;CA.
HAYFER/CHAIMOVICS >from Kovesliget(Drahiv),Maramaros,Austro-Hungary;OH;NJ;CA.
WINARD/WINARSKY and METKOP >from Kiev;Argentina;NY;CA.
BRACKER/BRECHER >from Bucharest/Iasi,Romania;NY;CA;AZ.
ABRAMSON >from Zvil (Novograd-Volinsky),Ukraine;Cuba;MI;MA;NH.
YAHIA/YICHYA >from Istanbul;Cuba;MI;CA.
Naturalization #ukraine

Robert Bogash <rbogash@...>
 

Regarding this thread, could a wife be required to be naturalized under
her husband even if native born? My grandmother was born in the U.S.
My grandfather came >from Ukraine in 1904. They were married in 1912,
and he was naturalized in 1913 (shortly before the birth of my father.)
It is surmised my grandmother put the heat on my grandfather prior to
the birth of the first child to ensure it would be a U.S. citizen. My
aunt claims her mother (my grandmother) had to become naturalized when
my grandfather was, even tho she was U.S. born, and she has seen
paperwork to that effect. I have found nothing in my research.
Could a wife lose her citizenship by marrying an alien?


Bob Bogash
Hansville, Washington
Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Naturalization #ukraine

Robert Bogash <rbogash@...>
 

Regarding this thread, could a wife be required to be naturalized under
her husband even if native born? My grandmother was born in the U.S.
My grandfather came >from Ukraine in 1904. They were married in 1912,
and he was naturalized in 1913 (shortly before the birth of my father.)
It is surmised my grandmother put the heat on my grandfather prior to
the birth of the first child to ensure it would be a U.S. citizen. My
aunt claims her mother (my grandmother) had to become naturalized when
my grandfather was, even tho she was U.S. born, and she has seen
paperwork to that effect. I have found nothing in my research.
Could a wife lose her citizenship by marrying an alien?


Bob Bogash
Hansville, Washington
Where were you when we asked for volunteers &/or ideas?? #ukraine

Flo Elman
 

Dear U SIG Members,

This is a very disappointing & aggravating letter for me to
write. Coordinators of our projects have received inappropriate
responses to their requests for assistance, & I'm appalled at
the rude replies they received >from our membership. For those
who sent in those responses, I suggest you look up the term
"coordinator" in the dictionary as well. They are not
"all-knowledgeable" or "all-responsible". Assistance is required
from members to get the work done!! When you read the following
note, I'm sure those who are responsible for the rude emails will
recognize themselves.
There's no excuse for that sort of attitude ... if you can't help
out, why should anyone do the work for you?!!! And then we hear
from people who complain there's not enough information on our
site or in an All-Ukraine Database!!!!
WHERE WERE YOU WHEN WE ASKED FOR VOLUNTEERS &/OR IDEAS ???
I'm really sorry to report that we're losing our Chernigov
coordinator because of this lack of cooperation.. Willing
volunteers like her are hard to find. If you really believe
the coordinators should do all the work without the volunteer
help of our more generous members, perhaps YOU'D like to step
forward & lead one of these groups yourselves. See what you can
accomplish. We need coordinators for Kharkov, Ekaterinoslav,
Taurida, & now Chernigov!! Without these people, I, too, cannot
get any data online or continue in my my capacity as Ukraine
SIG Coordinator!

Florence Elman
Ukraine SIG Coordinator
haflo@shaw.ca

Here's a copy of the letter that explains why I am writing:

I had to do the list by myself with no help. While a few people initially
offered to assist, they all backed out. When I posted to the group for their
input I received several 'nasty' messages, some indicating that if I was the
coordinator I should know all about the area & the towns & should not impose
upon others for help; others just plainly criticized my efforts. One person
noted a town that was absent >from my list but refused to provide
coordinates. They told me that they had the coordinates but that it was my
job to find them. Another never bothered responding when I asked for help in
finding their town coordinates. Out of all the responses to my post only
three people were polite.

My professional life is very busy & I just do not have the time to spend
doing everything myself that I would like to do with regard to the website &
collection of data for Chernigov. Thus, I am resigning as coordinator.
Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Where were you when we asked for volunteers &/or ideas?? #ukraine

Flo Elman
 

Dear U SIG Members,

This is a very disappointing & aggravating letter for me to
write. Coordinators of our projects have received inappropriate
responses to their requests for assistance, & I'm appalled at
the rude replies they received >from our membership. For those
who sent in those responses, I suggest you look up the term
"coordinator" in the dictionary as well. They are not
"all-knowledgeable" or "all-responsible". Assistance is required
from members to get the work done!! When you read the following
note, I'm sure those who are responsible for the rude emails will
recognize themselves.
There's no excuse for that sort of attitude ... if you can't help
out, why should anyone do the work for you?!!! And then we hear
from people who complain there's not enough information on our
site or in an All-Ukraine Database!!!!
WHERE WERE YOU WHEN WE ASKED FOR VOLUNTEERS &/OR IDEAS ???
I'm really sorry to report that we're losing our Chernigov
coordinator because of this lack of cooperation.. Willing
volunteers like her are hard to find. If you really believe
the coordinators should do all the work without the volunteer
help of our more generous members, perhaps YOU'D like to step
forward & lead one of these groups yourselves. See what you can
accomplish. We need coordinators for Kharkov, Ekaterinoslav,
Taurida, & now Chernigov!! Without these people, I, too, cannot
get any data online or continue in my my capacity as Ukraine
SIG Coordinator!

Florence Elman
Ukraine SIG Coordinator
haflo@shaw.ca

Here's a copy of the letter that explains why I am writing:

I had to do the list by myself with no help. While a few people initially
offered to assist, they all backed out. When I posted to the group for their
input I received several 'nasty' messages, some indicating that if I was the
coordinator I should know all about the area & the towns & should not impose
upon others for help; others just plainly criticized my efforts. One person
noted a town that was absent >from my list but refused to provide
coordinates. They told me that they had the coordinates but that it was my
job to find them. Another never bothered responding when I asked for help in
finding their town coordinates. Out of all the responses to my post only
three people were polite.

My professional life is very busy & I just do not have the time to spend
doing everything myself that I would like to do with regard to the website &
collection of data for Chernigov. Thus, I am resigning as coordinator.
Re: Were baby girls ever named for deceased MEN? #lithuania

mhlcswc2@...
 

It's done all the time in my family. My Grandfather was Moshe. I'm Marcia.
I have a cousin Maxine and a cousin Maura.

Marcia

In a message dated 12/21/04 1:31:14 AM Eastern Standard Time,
litvaksig@lyris.jewishgen.org writes:

<<
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

In the Pale of Settlement (Russia, Belarus, Ukraine) were baby girls ever
named for deceased men?

Specifically, I wonder if my grandmother, Simcha nee Alperovitch
Alperovitch, could have been named for an Alperovitch grandfather known
as Menka, who appears on the 1850 Kurenitz Revision List.

>from the Jewishgen Given Names Database, I learned that Menka was short
for Benjamin. I have noticed that a common name for Benjamins was Simcha
Bonim (Bonim being itself short for the medieval French name Bonhomme,
used by our ancestors particularly for Benjamins).

Could my grandmother Simcha have been named for a man named
Menka/Simcha Bonim/Benjamin?

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please confine your responses to naming customs
in the Pale of Settlement.
Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: Were baby girls ever named for deceased MEN? #lithuania

mhlcswc2@...
 

It's done all the time in my family. My Grandfather was Moshe. I'm Marcia.
I have a cousin Maxine and a cousin Maura.

Marcia

In a message dated 12/21/04 1:31:14 AM Eastern Standard Time,
litvaksig@lyris.jewishgen.org writes:

<<
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

In the Pale of Settlement (Russia, Belarus, Ukraine) were baby girls ever
named for deceased men?

Specifically, I wonder if my grandmother, Simcha nee Alperovitch
Alperovitch, could have been named for an Alperovitch grandfather known
as Menka, who appears on the 1850 Kurenitz Revision List.

>from the Jewishgen Given Names Database, I learned that Menka was short
for Benjamin. I have noticed that a common name for Benjamins was Simcha
Bonim (Bonim being itself short for the medieval French name Bonhomme,
used by our ancestors particularly for Benjamins).

Could my grandmother Simcha have been named for a man named
Menka/Simcha Bonim/Benjamin?

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please confine your responses to naming customs
in the Pale of Settlement.
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