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Ukraine Occupation/Military/Language Questions? translation needed #ukraine

TE <tome1111@...>
 

I have 5 questions about an Odessa 1897 Census:

1. What was the language EBP?
2. Can he read?
3. Where was he studying?
4. What was his occupation?
5. How was he involved in the military?

The file number is VM 6311:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6311

Please send all responses to me directly, tome1111@earthlink.net, not the
distribution list.

Thank you for your help!

Tom Erribe
CA


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Ukraine Occupation/Military/Language Questions? translation needed #ukraine

TE <tome1111@...>
 

I have 5 questions about an Odessa 1897 Census:

1. What was the language EBP?
2. Can he read?
3. Where was he studying?
4. What was his occupation?
5. How was he involved in the military?

The file number is VM 6311:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6311

Please send all responses to me directly, tome1111@earthlink.net, not the
distribution list.

Thank you for your help!

Tom Erribe
CA


Ukraine Class Rankings? translation needed #ukraine

TE <tome1111@...>
 

I understand that Ukraine residents were given class rankings. This Odessa
1897 census lists class rankings for 2 people. Can you tell me the class
ranking/status for person #1, and how does it compare to the ranking for
person #2. I was told that person #2 was >from the petite bourgeois.

The file number is VM 6310:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6310


Please send all responses to me directly, tome1111@earthlink.net, not the
distribution list.

Thank you for your help!

Tom Erribe
CA


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Ukraine Class Rankings? translation needed #ukraine

TE <tome1111@...>
 

I understand that Ukraine residents were given class rankings. This Odessa
1897 census lists class rankings for 2 people. Can you tell me the class
ranking/status for person #1, and how does it compare to the ranking for
person #2. I was told that person #2 was >from the petite bourgeois.

The file number is VM 6310:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6310


Please send all responses to me directly, tome1111@earthlink.net, not the
distribution list.

Thank you for your help!

Tom Erribe
CA


Re: Blonde hair, Blue eyes #ukraine

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz
 

I was a platinum blond as a child, but my hair grew darker as I grew older.
My eyes are hazel. My Aunt Molly, aleha hashalom was a blond. All the rest
of the family had dark hair and eyes. But I am sure that my blond genes came
from past blond ancestors who might have converted to Judaism. After all,
quite a few generations had passed between my ancestors' residence in the
Middle East and my parents' births at the end of the nineteenth century.
Oh yes, my hair is very light now, kind of white.
Ida Selavan Schwarcz (75 plus two days)
Arad, israel
Dr. Joseph M. Schwarcz
Dr. Ida Selavan Schwarcz

Robin B. Seidenberg wrote:
We can only speculate that it might be possible that my g-mother could have
been a product of rape??? She was blonde haired and blue eyed.

My great grandfather was a towhead (lighter than platinum blond), and my
great grandmother had flaming red hair (They came >from the region near
Kamenets-Podolskiy.). There are many redheads in my family, and I know
a number of Jewish people with red hair. Many Jews do not have dark
complexions and dark hair.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: Blonde hair, Blue eyes #ukraine

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz
 

I was a platinum blond as a child, but my hair grew darker as I grew older.
My eyes are hazel. My Aunt Molly, aleha hashalom was a blond. All the rest
of the family had dark hair and eyes. But I am sure that my blond genes came
from past blond ancestors who might have converted to Judaism. After all,
quite a few generations had passed between my ancestors' residence in the
Middle East and my parents' births at the end of the nineteenth century.
Oh yes, my hair is very light now, kind of white.
Ida Selavan Schwarcz (75 plus two days)
Arad, israel
Dr. Joseph M. Schwarcz
Dr. Ida Selavan Schwarcz

Robin B. Seidenberg wrote:
We can only speculate that it might be possible that my g-mother could have
been a product of rape??? She was blonde haired and blue eyed.

My great grandfather was a towhead (lighter than platinum blond), and my
great grandmother had flaming red hair (They came >from the region near
Kamenets-Podolskiy.). There are many redheads in my family, and I know
a number of Jewish people with red hair. Many Jews do not have dark
complexions and dark hair.


fair hair #ukraine

Pam Weston <pweston@...>
 

My sister and I have (had) red hair and freckles but not very light
skin. It is said it came >from grandmothers on both sides. It was not
looked on as as a good thing to be red headed in, at least, the early
20th century. It could be because it may not have come >from the best
linage, perhaps even rape. However, many of the Jews of Khazaria were
red heads. The Ukraine is a likely location for immigration of those
Jews after the fall of the Khazar state.

Information on the Jews of Khazaria:

http://www.khazaria.com/khazar-history.html

Pam Weston
Chicago
BART(BARTH), DOLINGER/ Sambor, Stary Sambor, New York
KAWALER, KREINDLER /Solotwina, New York
PERCHEPA(PRICZEPA, PERCZEPA)/ Koretz, Odessa, Hartford, CT.
WEINSTEIN?/Hartford CT.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine fair hair #ukraine

Pam Weston <pweston@...>
 

My sister and I have (had) red hair and freckles but not very light
skin. It is said it came >from grandmothers on both sides. It was not
looked on as as a good thing to be red headed in, at least, the early
20th century. It could be because it may not have come >from the best
linage, perhaps even rape. However, many of the Jews of Khazaria were
red heads. The Ukraine is a likely location for immigration of those
Jews after the fall of the Khazar state.

Information on the Jews of Khazaria:

http://www.khazaria.com/khazar-history.html

Pam Weston
Chicago
BART(BARTH), DOLINGER/ Sambor, Stary Sambor, New York
KAWALER, KREINDLER /Solotwina, New York
PERCHEPA(PRICZEPA, PERCZEPA)/ Koretz, Odessa, Hartford, CT.
WEINSTEIN?/Hartford CT.


Re: Blonde hair, Blue eyes #ukraine

Randy Ford <r_ford@...>
 

My Maternal Grandmother was >from Polonnye. She was a Strawberry Blonde with
Crystal Blue eyes. Her youngest brother had brown hair and the same Crystal
Blue eyes. The other three brothers had brown eyes. Two with dark hair,
and one with Fire Engine Red. My mother has dark hair and dark eyes.

My Paternal Grandmother was >from Mizocz. She was a Dishwater Blonde with
blue eyes. My father was the only sibling with brown hair and brown eyes.

Growing up in a primarily Jewish school district of Skokie, Illinois, I
didn't know that "Jews" typically had dark hair and dark eyes. I went to
school with straight and curly haired blondes, brunettes and redheads with
eye colors of every variety.

Randy Ford

BRITAN Chudnov, SPIEGEL/SPIEGELMAN Polonnye, FLITTER Mizocz, FORD/FORT
Warkovitz

St Louis, MO


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: Blonde hair, Blue eyes #ukraine

Randy Ford <r_ford@...>
 

My Maternal Grandmother was >from Polonnye. She was a Strawberry Blonde with
Crystal Blue eyes. Her youngest brother had brown hair and the same Crystal
Blue eyes. The other three brothers had brown eyes. Two with dark hair,
and one with Fire Engine Red. My mother has dark hair and dark eyes.

My Paternal Grandmother was >from Mizocz. She was a Dishwater Blonde with
blue eyes. My father was the only sibling with brown hair and brown eyes.

Growing up in a primarily Jewish school district of Skokie, Illinois, I
didn't know that "Jews" typically had dark hair and dark eyes. I went to
school with straight and curly haired blondes, brunettes and redheads with
eye colors of every variety.

Randy Ford

BRITAN Chudnov, SPIEGEL/SPIEGELMAN Polonnye, FLITTER Mizocz, FORD/FORT
Warkovitz

St Louis, MO


Blonde hair/red hair #ukraine

elisabeth segal <darla1504@...>
 

I have red hair. The Rockman relatives I am looking for were all very
blonde, except for one sister Golda. She had the red hair. My aunt had
beautiful platinium blonde hair. It stayed the same even when she was old. I
have blue green eyes. My mothers family that originated many many years ago
from Spain, were all dark. I have the Rockman genes. But minus any
relatives. I know that my grandfather Samuel Rockman came >from Russia.
Thanks to all of you that have sent me emails with name suggestions and
variations of Rockman. No luck so far, but please keep trying.

A friend whose husband's family originated all >from Russia, has an 8 year
old son, with the whitest hair and bluest eyes you ever did see.

I was told when very young that the red hair came >from Babylon. That the
Babylonians were red haired. Perhaps that explains why so many of us are red
headed.

regards

Elisabeth
London
UK


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Blonde hair/red hair #ukraine

elisabeth segal <darla1504@...>
 

I have red hair. The Rockman relatives I am looking for were all very
blonde, except for one sister Golda. She had the red hair. My aunt had
beautiful platinium blonde hair. It stayed the same even when she was old. I
have blue green eyes. My mothers family that originated many many years ago
from Spain, were all dark. I have the Rockman genes. But minus any
relatives. I know that my grandfather Samuel Rockman came >from Russia.
Thanks to all of you that have sent me emails with name suggestions and
variations of Rockman. No luck so far, but please keep trying.

A friend whose husband's family originated all >from Russia, has an 8 year
old son, with the whitest hair and bluest eyes you ever did see.

I was told when very young that the red hair came >from Babylon. That the
Babylonians were red haired. Perhaps that explains why so many of us are red
headed.

regards

Elisabeth
London
UK


Re: blue-eyed blondes #ukraine

phyllismartinhirsch@...
 

There are many natural blondes (including yours truly) with blue or
green eyes in our family. My sister is a towhead. Maybe it is not
that unusual. On another subject, I have German WWII bombing run maps of Pruskurov if anyone is interested.

Sincerely,
Phyllis Martin Hirsch

Researching Metkofsky in Pruskurov


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: blue-eyed blondes #ukraine

phyllismartinhirsch@...
 

There are many natural blondes (including yours truly) with blue or
green eyes in our family. My sister is a towhead. Maybe it is not
that unusual. On another subject, I have German WWII bombing run maps of Pruskurov if anyone is interested.

Sincerely,
Phyllis Martin Hirsch

Researching Metkofsky in Pruskurov


Re: Possibility of obtaining records at the archive in Riga #latvia

Martha LEV-ZION <martha@...>
 

Shalom, Adam!

The archives are not built for individual research, since the space =20
is very, very small and limited and the archivists are already using =20
a part of the room. However, that said, they might be able to =20
accommodate you. It might be more efficient for you to request the =20
documents ahead of time and to ask the archivists if you can peruse =20
the sources in person.

Warm regards, Martha Lev-Zion
Israel

On Jun 20, 2005, at 12:26 AM, Adam Katzeff wrote:

Dear all,

I'm thinking of going on a roundtrip in Latvia, Lithuania and Belarus the
upcoming autumn and during my presumed stay in Riga I would like to visit
the State Historical archive to eventually be able to find some new
documents regarding my family. But, I wonder, will it at all be possible
to see any documents when visiting the archive?
...snip...


Latvia SIG #Latvia Re: Possibility of obtaining records at the archive in Riga #latvia

Martha LEV-ZION <martha@...>
 

Shalom, Adam!

The archives are not built for individual research, since the space =20
is very, very small and limited and the archivists are already using =20
a part of the room. However, that said, they might be able to =20
accommodate you. It might be more efficient for you to request the =20
documents ahead of time and to ask the archivists if you can peruse =20
the sources in person.

Warm regards, Martha Lev-Zion
Israel

On Jun 20, 2005, at 12:26 AM, Adam Katzeff wrote:

Dear all,

I'm thinking of going on a roundtrip in Latvia, Lithuania and Belarus the
upcoming autumn and during my presumed stay in Riga I would like to visit
the State Historical archive to eventually be able to find some new
documents regarding my family. But, I wonder, will it at all be possible
to see any documents when visiting the archive?
...snip...


Possibility of obtaining records at the archive in Riga #latvia

Adam Katzeff <adam.katzeff@...>
 

Dear all,

I'm thinking of going on a roundtrip in Latvia, Lithuania and Belarus the
upcoming autumn and during my presumed stay in Riga I would like to visit
the State Historical archive to eventually be able to find some new
documents regarding my family. But, I wonder, will it at all be possible to
see any documents when visiting the archive? And will it be possible to get
copies of records? The records I'm thinking of looking at are records I
already now excist and as I can read Russian script it won't be any problem
for me finding and identifying my relatives in the records. Some of the
specific records I would like to see is for example:

*The 1902 and 1909 family lists for Jews settled in Cesis (Wenden), Latvia
(I already have copies of some parts of them).
*The metrical records for Parnu, Estonia (stored in Riga as Parnu was part
of Livland guberniya).

Best regards,

Adam Katzeff,
Malmoe, Sweden

adam.katzeff@spray.se

Researching:
GOLDBERG: Papile, Lithuania; Cesis, Latvia; Tallinn, Estonia; Glasgow,
Scotland; Sweden; Denmark; PA+WI, USA.
KATSEV/KATZEFF/KATZOFF/KACEV: Papile, Lithuania; Cesis+Riga, Latvia;
Pärnu+Tallinn, Estonia; Glasgow, Scotland; Sweden; Denmark; MA+GA+NY+CA,
USA.
NEMCHENOK/NEMCHENKO: Yanovichi+Surazh+Velizh+Vitebsk, Belarus; St.
Petersburg, Russia; Paris, France; Sweden; Denmark; NY, USA.


Latvia SIG #Latvia Possibility of obtaining records at the archive in Riga #latvia

Adam Katzeff <adam.katzeff@...>
 

Dear all,

I'm thinking of going on a roundtrip in Latvia, Lithuania and Belarus the
upcoming autumn and during my presumed stay in Riga I would like to visit
the State Historical archive to eventually be able to find some new
documents regarding my family. But, I wonder, will it at all be possible to
see any documents when visiting the archive? And will it be possible to get
copies of records? The records I'm thinking of looking at are records I
already now excist and as I can read Russian script it won't be any problem
for me finding and identifying my relatives in the records. Some of the
specific records I would like to see is for example:

*The 1902 and 1909 family lists for Jews settled in Cesis (Wenden), Latvia
(I already have copies of some parts of them).
*The metrical records for Parnu, Estonia (stored in Riga as Parnu was part
of Livland guberniya).

Best regards,

Adam Katzeff,
Malmoe, Sweden

adam.katzeff@spray.se

Researching:
GOLDBERG: Papile, Lithuania; Cesis, Latvia; Tallinn, Estonia; Glasgow,
Scotland; Sweden; Denmark; PA+WI, USA.
KATSEV/KATZEFF/KATZOFF/KACEV: Papile, Lithuania; Cesis+Riga, Latvia;
Pärnu+Tallinn, Estonia; Glasgow, Scotland; Sweden; Denmark; MA+GA+NY+CA,
USA.
NEMCHENOK/NEMCHENKO: Yanovichi+Surazh+Velizh+Vitebsk, Belarus; St.
Petersburg, Russia; Paris, France; Sweden; Denmark; NY, USA.


Wed, June 22nd Meeting-JGS - Hamilton (Ontario, Canada) & Area #general

HJB <hjb@...>
 

Please join us for our next meeting:
When - Wednesday June 22, 2005
Where - Temple Anshe Sholom, 215 Cline Avenue North, Hamilton
7:30 - Meet & Greet; 8PM - Annual General Meeting

We're happy to invite all to our very first Annual General Meeting. Of course
only members will be voting for our first set of By-Laws as well as our first
official Board of Directors under this document. This will also be an opportunity
to discuss any and all ideas for the betterment of our organization prior to
planning for next season.

Those wishing to join or renew their memberships may do so between 7:30 and 8PM
and will then be able to vote.

Please feel free to contact any Board member through our website at www.jgsh.org/
or through email at HamiltonJewishGen@canada.com. If you haven't yet visited the
website, please do. The section on the left called *Links* has a wealth of
information awaiting you with a click, and don't forget to look at "Hamilton
Connection"!!

Hazel Boon
Interim Vice-President
Jewish Genealogical Society - Hamilton & Area


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Wed, June 22nd Meeting-JGS - Hamilton (Ontario, Canada) & Area #general

HJB <hjb@...>
 

Please join us for our next meeting:
When - Wednesday June 22, 2005
Where - Temple Anshe Sholom, 215 Cline Avenue North, Hamilton
7:30 - Meet & Greet; 8PM - Annual General Meeting

We're happy to invite all to our very first Annual General Meeting. Of course
only members will be voting for our first set of By-Laws as well as our first
official Board of Directors under this document. This will also be an opportunity
to discuss any and all ideas for the betterment of our organization prior to
planning for next season.

Those wishing to join or renew their memberships may do so between 7:30 and 8PM
and will then be able to vote.

Please feel free to contact any Board member through our website at www.jgsh.org/
or through email at HamiltonJewishGen@canada.com. If you haven't yet visited the
website, please do. The section on the left called *Links* has a wealth of
information awaiting you with a click, and don't forget to look at "Hamilton
Connection"!!

Hazel Boon
Interim Vice-President
Jewish Genealogical Society - Hamilton & Area