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Re: longevity of digital storage on cd and dvd --> archiving in general #general

Simon Tardell
 

henryn wrote:

[...] and the result is "a lot of data"
becomes "a huge amount of data" -- tens of gigabytes. [...]

So what to do about archiving this irreplaceable data?
Sneakernet, but with external harddrives. Basically the same you do with
DVD-RW but with much larger capacity and transfer rates. You would need
to replace the harddrives every so often, but it will take substantially
less time than copying a stack of DVD-RWs. A harddrive in continuous use
lasts about three years, but you wouldn't spin them as much, so they
will probably last longer. Disks are cheap enough that you probably
could afford having more than one backup.

The other alternative is to subscribe to an online storage service with
a good backup policy. The better the service and the larger the storage,
the more expensive, of course. The advantages is that the storage is
always online, you won't have to go to the safety deposit box to
retrieve your backup, and perhaps more important is that the disks are
constantly monitored and as soon as they start failing they are replaced
(which is difficult for you to do, especially with a disk in a safety
deposit box).

Simon Tardell,
Stockholm, Sweden.

--
Simon Tardell, simon@tardell.se


Re: longevity of digital storage on cd and dvd #general

Mimi Katz <GeveretKatz@...>
 

Irregardless of how long the media lasts, we all know that technology
changes very quickly. What had been stored on video cassette tapes, floppy
disks, Zip disks, etc. is already somewhat out-dated technology. Even if
CD's and DVD's last 100 years, what will be around to play them in the
future? I believe it's always best to keep a hard copy on paper, too!

Mimi Katz, Chicago


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: longevity of digital storage on cd and dvd --> archiving in general #general

Simon Tardell
 

henryn wrote:

[...] and the result is "a lot of data"
becomes "a huge amount of data" -- tens of gigabytes. [...]

So what to do about archiving this irreplaceable data?
Sneakernet, but with external harddrives. Basically the same you do with
DVD-RW but with much larger capacity and transfer rates. You would need
to replace the harddrives every so often, but it will take substantially
less time than copying a stack of DVD-RWs. A harddrive in continuous use
lasts about three years, but you wouldn't spin them as much, so they
will probably last longer. Disks are cheap enough that you probably
could afford having more than one backup.

The other alternative is to subscribe to an online storage service with
a good backup policy. The better the service and the larger the storage,
the more expensive, of course. The advantages is that the storage is
always online, you won't have to go to the safety deposit box to
retrieve your backup, and perhaps more important is that the disks are
constantly monitored and as soon as they start failing they are replaced
(which is difficult for you to do, especially with a disk in a safety
deposit box).

Simon Tardell,
Stockholm, Sweden.

--
Simon Tardell, simon@tardell.se


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: longevity of digital storage on cd and dvd #general

Mimi Katz <GeveretKatz@...>
 

Irregardless of how long the media lasts, we all know that technology
changes very quickly. What had been stored on video cassette tapes, floppy
disks, Zip disks, etc. is already somewhat out-dated technology. Even if
CD's and DVD's last 100 years, what will be around to play them in the
future? I believe it's always best to keep a hard copy on paper, too!

Mimi Katz, Chicago


Article: Ynetnews - Cutting edge genealogy #general

Micha Reisel <micha@...>
 

Dear list,

Read about an Israeli company that may change the way
we research our families, in a story by Schelly Talalay Dardashti.
It highlights a new research engine, face recognition technology
(to help with matching people of various ages in unidentified pictures),
free gen software and family pages.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3223966,00.html

Micha Reisel
Hod Hasharon, Israel
Vice president of JFRA
the Jewish Family Research Association of Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Article: Ynetnews - Cutting edge genealogy #general

Micha Reisel <micha@...>
 

Dear list,

Read about an Israeli company that may change the way
we research our families, in a story by Schelly Talalay Dardashti.
It highlights a new research engine, face recognition technology
(to help with matching people of various ages in unidentified pictures),
free gen software and family pages.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3223966,00.html

Micha Reisel
Hod Hasharon, Israel
Vice president of JFRA
the Jewish Family Research Association of Israel


Thrilling Success with DNA. #general

Stephen Gaffin
 

Cousins,

When I count up the relatives in the various lines of my
GRACE-PELLETZ-JAFFEE Family History and Tree, at least 300 cousins,
aunts and uncles who stayed behind and did not immigrate to the US
or South Africa, were murdered in the Shoah. I have looked in vain
for them. Only a single Pelletz survived the Shoah.
Recently, a cousin did a DNA test and found at least 9 people around the
world with identical DNA matches. All, like my own family, have
traditions of family origins in medieval Spain and more than half are
Christians—probably remnants of the half of the Spanish and Portuguese Jews
who converted rather than leave, in the Expulsions in 1492 and 1496,
respectively.
But one is an Israeli. As I look over the names lost in the Shoah, he
appears like a miracle. >from a Lithuanian family exiled to Siberia for
reasons no longer remembered, his father emigrated to Israel in the 1920s.
The discovery of this Israeli genetic cousin made me feel as if some of the
victims came back to life. And he’s a soldier, a soldier! A full colonel
in the Mossad . Also a scientist. Like Saul, like David. To organize us
to protect ourselves.
So, you never know what unknown relatives are waiting for you out there.
Try a DNA match.

Steve Grace Pelletz Gaffin
St Maarten Netherlands Antilles,
formerly Worcester MA, Troy NY, San Francisco, Rehovot, Tel Aviv, Haifa,
Durban South Africa, San Diego, Framingham MA

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to create DNA surname projects. You can read more about these projects
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Thrilling Success with DNA. #general

Stephen Gaffin
 

Cousins,

When I count up the relatives in the various lines of my
GRACE-PELLETZ-JAFFEE Family History and Tree, at least 300 cousins,
aunts and uncles who stayed behind and did not immigrate to the US
or South Africa, were murdered in the Shoah. I have looked in vain
for them. Only a single Pelletz survived the Shoah.
Recently, a cousin did a DNA test and found at least 9 people around the
world with identical DNA matches. All, like my own family, have
traditions of family origins in medieval Spain and more than half are
Christians—probably remnants of the half of the Spanish and Portuguese Jews
who converted rather than leave, in the Expulsions in 1492 and 1496,
respectively.
But one is an Israeli. As I look over the names lost in the Shoah, he
appears like a miracle. >from a Lithuanian family exiled to Siberia for
reasons no longer remembered, his father emigrated to Israel in the 1920s.
The discovery of this Israeli genetic cousin made me feel as if some of the
victims came back to life. And he’s a soldier, a soldier! A full colonel
in the Mossad . Also a scientist. Like Saul, like David. To organize us
to protect ourselves.
So, you never know what unknown relatives are waiting for you out there.
Try a DNA match.

Steve Grace Pelletz Gaffin
St Maarten Netherlands Antilles,
formerly Worcester MA, Troy NY, San Francisco, Rehovot, Tel Aviv, Haifa,
Durban South Africa, San Diego, Framingham MA

MODERATOR NOTE: JewishGen has partnered with Family Tree DNA (FTDNA)
to create DNA surname projects. You can read more about these projects
at http://www.jewishgen.org/dna/ . There is also a DNA mailing list
where you can discuss DNA test details and implications. Subscribe
at http://lyris.jewishgen.org/ListManager/ .


Re: Yad Vashem database #france

Zvi Bernhardt
 

Your question shows how important it is, when looking at an entry in our
database >from a Page of Testimony to look at the original, and if you don't
understand all the langauges it is written in, get someone who does to look
at it. In fact, on the Page of Testimony in question it says that Hirsz
Zwi Murski died in Siberia, but the person who typed it in didn't notice it,
because it is written in small unclear handwriting. So, in this case, as
we are dealing with correcting our typing rather than changing what is
written on a Page of Testimony, we have no problem doing it. Do note that
it usually takes months between the time we make a correction in our
database and when it can be seen on our online database, as we only update
the online version every three months. Currently it usually takes longer,
because of technical problems having to do with our current project of
translating the database into Russian.
Zvi Bernhardt
Hall of Names
Yad Vashem

-----Original Message-----
From: bartmant@charter.net [mailto:bartmant@charter.net]

I think it's very important to keep in mind that the purpose of the
database as I understand it is primarily memorialization and not to create
a dababase of historically factual information about individual holocaust
victims that would neccessarily stand up under scrutiny. However, I think
when people do POT's they should keep in mind the concept of historical
accuracy and the veracity of the information they plan to put in the POT.
It is frustrating when you see information in the POT that is false.
...
I was told that there is no way to remove the errant POT, but I think I
can file another one with the corrected information?

Tilford Bartman www.zabludow.com


Re: 1916 epidemic? #romania

SFeuerstein <ethnoca@...>
 

--- <PHYLGIZ@aol.com> wrote:

There is one word on it that I
can't find a translation
for, though it comes up when googled so I think it
might be a place: SUNTETL
OR SUNTETI. Is anyone familiar with this word?
Well, "sunteti" actually means "you are" (plural)...
:)

Sarah Feuerstein
Toronto, Canada


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Yad Vashem database #general

Zvi Bernhardt
 

Your question shows how important it is, when looking at an entry in our
database >from a Page of Testimony to look at the original, and if you don't
understand all the langauges it is written in, get someone who does to look
at it. In fact, on the Page of Testimony in question it says that Hirsz
Zwi Murski died in Siberia, but the person who typed it in didn't notice it,
because it is written in small unclear handwriting. So, in this case, as
we are dealing with correcting our typing rather than changing what is
written on a Page of Testimony, we have no problem doing it. Do note that
it usually takes months between the time we make a correction in our
database and when it can be seen on our online database, as we only update
the online version every three months. Currently it usually takes longer,
because of technical problems having to do with our current project of
translating the database into Russian.
Zvi Bernhardt
Hall of Names
Yad Vashem

-----Original Message-----
From: bartmant@charter.net [mailto:bartmant@charter.net]

I think it's very important to keep in mind that the purpose of the
database as I understand it is primarily memorialization and not to create
a dababase of historically factual information about individual holocaust
victims that would neccessarily stand up under scrutiny. However, I think
when people do POT's they should keep in mind the concept of historical
accuracy and the veracity of the information they plan to put in the POT.
It is frustrating when you see information in the POT that is false.
...
I was told that there is no way to remove the errant POT, but I think I
can file another one with the corrected information?

Tilford Bartman www.zabludow.com


Romania SIG #Romania Re: 1916 epidemic? #romania

SFeuerstein <ethnoca@...>
 

--- <PHYLGIZ@aol.com> wrote:

There is one word on it that I
can't find a translation
for, though it comes up when googled so I think it
might be a place: SUNTETL
OR SUNTETI. Is anyone familiar with this word?
Well, "sunteti" actually means "you are" (plural)...
:)

Sarah Feuerstein
Toronto, Canada


U.S. Holocaust Museum Calls for Immediate Access to ITS records #general

bik <kooshb9341@...>
 

March 7
U.S. Holocaust Museum Calls for Immediate Access to Closed Archive

Because of the continued refusal of the International Tracing Service
(ITS) to permit Holocaust survivors and scholars to access the world's
largest closed Holocaust-era archive, the United States Holocaust
Memorial Museum called on the International Committee of the Red Cross
(ICRC), which supervises the ITS, to open the archive and permit the
ITS's 11 International Commission board member states to copy its
records. Read more:
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/03-07-2006/0004315257&EDATE=
or
http://tinyurl.com/q95bl
--
Bernard Kouchel
kooshb9341@bellsouth.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen U.S. Holocaust Museum Calls for Immediate Access to ITS records #general

bik <kooshb9341@...>
 

March 7
U.S. Holocaust Museum Calls for Immediate Access to Closed Archive

Because of the continued refusal of the International Tracing Service
(ITS) to permit Holocaust survivors and scholars to access the world's
largest closed Holocaust-era archive, the United States Holocaust
Memorial Museum called on the International Committee of the Red Cross
(ICRC), which supervises the ITS, to open the archive and permit the
ITS's 11 International Commission board member states to copy its
records. Read more:
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/03-07-2006/0004315257&EDATE=
or
http://tinyurl.com/q95bl
--
Bernard Kouchel
kooshb9341@bellsouth.net


Re: Krotochin and Monasch #germany

Ron James <rejames@...>
 

Baer Lobel Monasch was a famous publisher of religious books in Prussia's
Poland Province, now part of Poland.

The son of B. L. Monasch, came to Australia in 1854 and changed the name to
Monash. John Monash , was born in Australia in 1865 and became one of Australia's
greatest military commanders. Sir John Monash is buried in Brighton Cemetery
Melbourne, Australia.

Krotoschin; I would be very interested to know if you have any information
of any graves of Leib JOACHIM, his wife Susan? or any other JOACHIM names
that you have any information on. They were >from Krotoschin, Prussia

Liz James Melbourne, Australia <rejames@iinet.net.au>
Searching JOACHIM; OTTOLANGUI; OTTOLENGHI


German SIG #Germany Re: Krotochin and Monasch #germany

Ron James <rejames@...>
 

Baer Lobel Monasch was a famous publisher of religious books in Prussia's
Poland Province, now part of Poland.

The son of B. L. Monasch, came to Australia in 1854 and changed the name to
Monash. John Monash , was born in Australia in 1865 and became one of Australia's
greatest military commanders. Sir John Monash is buried in Brighton Cemetery
Melbourne, Australia.

Krotoschin; I would be very interested to know if you have any information
of any graves of Leib JOACHIM, his wife Susan? or any other JOACHIM names
that you have any information on. They were >from Krotoschin, Prussia

Liz James Melbourne, Australia <rejames@iinet.net.au>
Searching JOACHIM; OTTOLANGUI; OTTOLENGHI


Portland and Maine Jewish records #usa

Joyce Field
 

I hope that Harris Gleckman, who wrote the other day about Portland
Jewish records, knows about JOWBR, JewishGen's Obnline Worldwide
Burial Registry, and would consider donating Portland's and Maine's
burial records to this searchable database. Unfortunately, the
Moderator for Earlyamerican SIG did not call attention to this
important JewishGen site with Mr. Gleckman's posting.

For the information of all Earlyamerican SIG Digest subscribers,
JOWBR can be searched at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/cemetery/

To submit burial records of a town or a landsmanschaft, see

http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Cemetery/Submit.htm

A quarterly update of new records will be online soon. We have
recently received burial records of:

Anshel Sphard Congregation, Memphis, TN. The group submitting these burial
records, Mid-South Memphis Jewish Historical Society, will be indexing additional
burials >from Memphis as well as records >from other communities in
Tennessee, Arkansas, and rural Mississippi. Bravo to this group!!

We are eager to receive burial records >from other American
communities. To see those that are already online, click on:

http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Cemetery/tree/CemList.htm

and scroll down to USA. Click on "country" and a menu of burials by
state will appear. Click on "Region" and you will get the breakdown
by cities in the state. Currently, there are about a quarter million
burials in the USA in this database. Obviously, we are just touching
the surface*. Help us grow this important genealogical resource by
donating your town's Jewish burial records.

Joyce Field, JewishGen VP, Data Acquisition jfield@jewishgen.org
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/cemetery/

* did you mean subsurface ? This is a burial registry, after all. MOD


Early American SIG #USA Portland and Maine Jewish records #usa

Joyce Field
 

I hope that Harris Gleckman, who wrote the other day about Portland
Jewish records, knows about JOWBR, JewishGen's Obnline Worldwide
Burial Registry, and would consider donating Portland's and Maine's
burial records to this searchable database. Unfortunately, the
Moderator for Earlyamerican SIG did not call attention to this
important JewishGen site with Mr. Gleckman's posting.

For the information of all Earlyamerican SIG Digest subscribers,
JOWBR can be searched at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/cemetery/

To submit burial records of a town or a landsmanschaft, see

http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Cemetery/Submit.htm

A quarterly update of new records will be online soon. We have
recently received burial records of:

Anshel Sphard Congregation, Memphis, TN. The group submitting these burial
records, Mid-South Memphis Jewish Historical Society, will be indexing additional
burials >from Memphis as well as records >from other communities in
Tennessee, Arkansas, and rural Mississippi. Bravo to this group!!

We are eager to receive burial records >from other American
communities. To see those that are already online, click on:

http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Cemetery/tree/CemList.htm

and scroll down to USA. Click on "country" and a menu of burials by
state will appear. Click on "Region" and you will get the breakdown
by cities in the state. Currently, there are about a quarter million
burials in the USA in this database. Obviously, we are just touching
the surface*. Help us grow this important genealogical resource by
donating your town's Jewish burial records.

Joyce Field, JewishGen VP, Data Acquisition jfield@jewishgen.org
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/cemetery/

* did you mean subsurface ? This is a burial registry, after all. MOD


Options Using Morses's Boston Listings #usa

Paul King <samorai@...>
 

I am seeking a clarification regarding the several Stephen Morse options for
tracing immigrants who may have arrived at the port of Boston in mid-19th c.
Given the following data:

1) first and last name of arrival (with alternative spellings and name
changes);
2) exact date and place of birth;
3) highest degree of certainty regarding year of departure;
4) educated guess of port of departure

Am I confined to tracing the individual through payment to the commercial
site for access to information or can I, given the above data, employ the
one-step process without using the services of the commercial site?

Moderator. Please advise whether responses should be sent privately.
MODERATOR REPLY - Replies can be sent to the GerSIG list but for better results
you should post this inquiry to the JGDG (JewishGen Discussion Group).

Paul King Jerusalem <samorai@012.net.il>


Early American SIG #USA Options Using Morses's Boston Listings #usa

Paul King <samorai@...>
 

I am seeking a clarification regarding the several Stephen Morse options for
tracing immigrants who may have arrived at the port of Boston in mid-19th c.
Given the following data:

1) first and last name of arrival (with alternative spellings and name
changes);
2) exact date and place of birth;
3) highest degree of certainty regarding year of departure;
4) educated guess of port of departure

Am I confined to tracing the individual through payment to the commercial
site for access to information or can I, given the above data, employ the
one-step process without using the services of the commercial site?

Moderator. Please advise whether responses should be sent privately.
MODERATOR REPLY - Replies can be sent to the GerSIG list but for better results
you should post this inquiry to the JGDG (JewishGen Discussion Group).

Paul King Jerusalem <samorai@012.net.il>