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Re: Alien registration in Belgium #general

Jan Bousse <janbousse@...>
 

On 4 Sep 2007 at 0:39, Evelyne Haendel wrote:
Are you aware of that information on all Aliens for the
whole of Belgium is kept at the Office des Etrangers in Brussels as of
1911 up to 1950 approximately?

Information is available providing there is a more or less close
relationship with the person looked up. The person in charge is very
kind and this is why I use the expression "more or less".
Evertjan added the relevant url:

Dienst Vreemdelingenzaken
< http://www.ibz.be/code/nl/loc/etrangers.shtml >
Direction Generale Office des Etrangers
< http://www.ibz.be/code/fr/loc/etrangers.shtml >
Referat Ausländeramt
< http://www.ibz.be/code/de/loc/etrangers.shtml >
I believe the very kind person in charge has been mentioned before in other
mails or another group, but since he is not to be found in the list of
members of the said Office I want to repeat his name here: Louis Philippe
Arnhem [email address removed by Moderator]. As indicated above, these records
stretch >from 1911 to 1950 (approximately). He will communicate data of such
recent past as 1950 mainly when you can show that it involves relatives who
were victims of the holocaust. The older records are at the National Archives
in Brussels under Police des Etrangers and can be freely consulted. The
city archives of Brussels also have records for its territory, same as the
already referred city archives in Antwerp. I have at several occasions
consulted Alien records in all these instances.

Although this is not strictly genealogical, I want to state that the
language of the Flemish part of Belgium is Dutch, the same as in the
Netherlands. If one refers to Flemish being spoken this only indicates that
it has some regional variations, like for instance German spoken in Austria
or Switzerland may sound different but is still German. And obviously, there
is no such language as "Belgian", there are three official languages in
Belgium, Dutch, French and German.

Jan Bousse, Oostende, Belgium
janbousse@skynet.be

MODERATOR NOTE: JewishGen's policy is not to post email addresses of third parties,
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Alien registration in Belgium #general

Jan Bousse <janbousse@...>
 

On 4 Sep 2007 at 0:39, Evelyne Haendel wrote:
Are you aware of that information on all Aliens for the
whole of Belgium is kept at the Office des Etrangers in Brussels as of
1911 up to 1950 approximately?

Information is available providing there is a more or less close
relationship with the person looked up. The person in charge is very
kind and this is why I use the expression "more or less".
Evertjan added the relevant url:

Dienst Vreemdelingenzaken
< http://www.ibz.be/code/nl/loc/etrangers.shtml >
Direction Generale Office des Etrangers
< http://www.ibz.be/code/fr/loc/etrangers.shtml >
Referat Ausländeramt
< http://www.ibz.be/code/de/loc/etrangers.shtml >
I believe the very kind person in charge has been mentioned before in other
mails or another group, but since he is not to be found in the list of
members of the said Office I want to repeat his name here: Louis Philippe
Arnhem [email address removed by Moderator]. As indicated above, these records
stretch >from 1911 to 1950 (approximately). He will communicate data of such
recent past as 1950 mainly when you can show that it involves relatives who
were victims of the holocaust. The older records are at the National Archives
in Brussels under Police des Etrangers and can be freely consulted. The
city archives of Brussels also have records for its territory, same as the
already referred city archives in Antwerp. I have at several occasions
consulted Alien records in all these instances.

Although this is not strictly genealogical, I want to state that the
language of the Flemish part of Belgium is Dutch, the same as in the
Netherlands. If one refers to Flemish being spoken this only indicates that
it has some regional variations, like for instance German spoken in Austria
or Switzerland may sound different but is still German. And obviously, there
is no such language as "Belgian", there are three official languages in
Belgium, Dutch, French and German.

Jan Bousse, Oostende, Belgium
janbousse@skynet.be

MODERATOR NOTE: JewishGen's policy is not to post email addresses of third parties,
unless it is an official email address in the public domain. Anybody interested
in Mr. Arnhem's email address, please contact Jan privately.


Mistakes in Records #general

Joseph Fibel <jfibel@...>
 

Genners:

There are and probably always will be mistakes in records.

We have my father's death certificate and it asks if the deceased was in the
Armed Forces. The answer was "no" My mother who supplied the information
surely knew that he was because they were engaged at the time and he wrote
her frequently, but when these documents are filled in it is a time of
stress--birth, marriage and death and either the information supplier made a
mistake or the registrar did not hear correctly.

You simply take the information until you have better information. What
birth certificates usually will indicate correctly is birth order of
siblings even if the dates are off. In Eastern Europe, the father was
supposed to report a birth right away but sometimes he did not. Sometimes
he was away on business and this is indicated and excused. Sometimes more
than one birth is recorded at the same time.

It's o k. We still have to get these for the correct information they do
have: mother's maiden name and family residence, sometimes mothers family
residence, etc. etc.

Joe Fibel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Mistakes in Records #general

Joseph Fibel <jfibel@...>
 

Genners:

There are and probably always will be mistakes in records.

We have my father's death certificate and it asks if the deceased was in the
Armed Forces. The answer was "no" My mother who supplied the information
surely knew that he was because they were engaged at the time and he wrote
her frequently, but when these documents are filled in it is a time of
stress--birth, marriage and death and either the information supplier made a
mistake or the registrar did not hear correctly.

You simply take the information until you have better information. What
birth certificates usually will indicate correctly is birth order of
siblings even if the dates are off. In Eastern Europe, the father was
supposed to report a birth right away but sometimes he did not. Sometimes
he was away on business and this is indicated and excused. Sometimes more
than one birth is recorded at the same time.

It's o k. We still have to get these for the correct information they do
have: mother's maiden name and family residence, sometimes mothers family
residence, etc. etc.

Joe Fibel


JGS of Montreal - Monday, Sept. 17, 2007 #general

Merle Kastner <merlek@...>
 

Dear Genners,

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Montreal, in association with the
Jewish Public Library, are pleased to announce as our guest speaker:

Mr. Joe King

The meeting will be held on Monday, September 17, 2007
7:30 pm, sharp, Gelber Conference Centre
5151 Cote Ste-Catherine/1 Carre Cummings

Joe King, dubbed "historian of Montreal Jewry",
author of ">from the Ghetto to The Main" & "Baron Byng to Bagels",
renowned journalist, broadcaster & author will speak to us on:
"Building a Nation: the Unknown Jewish Giants"

For all information on our upcoming meetings
& Sunday Morning Family Tree Workshops
please call the JGS of Montreal Hotline - 24 hours a day:
514-484-0969

The next session of the JGS of Montreal's popular
Sunday Morning Family Tree Workshop
will take place on:
***Sunday, September 09, 2007***
from 10:00am to 12 noon
*Please note the special venue for this workshop*
*Cafe Dizengoff, YM-YWHA, 5400 Westbury Avenue*

For both beginning & veteran genealogists alike.
Members & interested friends are always welcome at our events.

Come and talk to us about researching your Jewish family.
An informal way to get one-on-one answers and help.

Our monthly workshops are an open forum/discussion of our
problems and successes.
We invite you to come and share in the discussions.

JGS of Montreal home page:
http://www.jgs-montreal.org/

Merle Kastner
JGS of Montreal, Programming
merlek@videotron.ca


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS of Montreal - Monday, Sept. 17, 2007 #general

Merle Kastner <merlek@...>
 

Dear Genners,

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Montreal, in association with the
Jewish Public Library, are pleased to announce as our guest speaker:

Mr. Joe King

The meeting will be held on Monday, September 17, 2007
7:30 pm, sharp, Gelber Conference Centre
5151 Cote Ste-Catherine/1 Carre Cummings

Joe King, dubbed "historian of Montreal Jewry",
author of ">from the Ghetto to The Main" & "Baron Byng to Bagels",
renowned journalist, broadcaster & author will speak to us on:
"Building a Nation: the Unknown Jewish Giants"

For all information on our upcoming meetings
& Sunday Morning Family Tree Workshops
please call the JGS of Montreal Hotline - 24 hours a day:
514-484-0969

The next session of the JGS of Montreal's popular
Sunday Morning Family Tree Workshop
will take place on:
***Sunday, September 09, 2007***
from 10:00am to 12 noon
*Please note the special venue for this workshop*
*Cafe Dizengoff, YM-YWHA, 5400 Westbury Avenue*

For both beginning & veteran genealogists alike.
Members & interested friends are always welcome at our events.

Come and talk to us about researching your Jewish family.
An informal way to get one-on-one answers and help.

Our monthly workshops are an open forum/discussion of our
problems and successes.
We invite you to come and share in the discussions.

JGS of Montreal home page:
http://www.jgs-montreal.org/

Merle Kastner
JGS of Montreal, Programming
merlek@videotron.ca


Re: saving documents #general

Nick <tulse04-news1@...>
 

"Susana Elena Mamber" < sem005@gmail.com > wrote in message

I make a terrible mistake when I started my genealogy research.
I gave all my old documents to put them a plastic cover.
I don't know how is the correct word for this procedure,
but they put them in a machine and now is into this plastic.
Only after doing it, I learn that is big mistake.
Do anyone know if it is possible to take out this plastic?
As Zev Griner says this is called lamination and is used amongst other
purposes as a simple and cheap means of producing membership cards so that
any attempt to interfere with the card will seriously damage the material
contained under the film.

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany),
THALHEIMER (Mainbernheim, Germany), KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and
Kleinerdlingen,Germany), LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Russia/Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?)
(Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Russia/Belarus)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: saving documents #general

Nick <tulse04-news1@...>
 

"Susana Elena Mamber" < sem005@gmail.com > wrote in message

I make a terrible mistake when I started my genealogy research.
I gave all my old documents to put them a plastic cover.
I don't know how is the correct word for this procedure,
but they put them in a machine and now is into this plastic.
Only after doing it, I learn that is big mistake.
Do anyone know if it is possible to take out this plastic?
As Zev Griner says this is called lamination and is used amongst other
purposes as a simple and cheap means of producing membership cards so that
any attempt to interfere with the card will seriously damage the material
contained under the film.

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany),
THALHEIMER (Mainbernheim, Germany), KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and
Kleinerdlingen,Germany), LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Russia/Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?)
(Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Russia/Belarus)


Searching for (TAWRIGOWSKI) FRIEDLAND #germany

Walter Reed <reedupuis@...>
 

I am searching for
Martin (TAWRIGOWSKI) possibly renamed FRIEDLAND, who was born in 1900 in
Germany or Poland and followed his father to the USA in the late 1920s.
The mother of Mrs. Vera FRIEDLAENDER, living in Berlin, had contact with this
brother of hers until the 1960's. He is buried in a New York area cemetery,
location not known. On a photo of the 1960s the address is given as Brooklyn,
on Sixth Street. Martin's wife's name was Ruth and they had
2 children named Leonard and Natalie (or Bertha).

Walter W. Reed reedupuis@comcast.net Wilmette IL USA


German SIG #Germany Searching for (TAWRIGOWSKI) FRIEDLAND #germany

Walter Reed <reedupuis@...>
 

I am searching for
Martin (TAWRIGOWSKI) possibly renamed FRIEDLAND, who was born in 1900 in
Germany or Poland and followed his father to the USA in the late 1920s.
The mother of Mrs. Vera FRIEDLAENDER, living in Berlin, had contact with this
brother of hers until the 1960's. He is buried in a New York area cemetery,
location not known. On a photo of the 1960s the address is given as Brooklyn,
on Sixth Street. Martin's wife's name was Ruth and they had
2 children named Leonard and Natalie (or Bertha).

Walter W. Reed reedupuis@comcast.net Wilmette IL USA


searching: GOLDSTEIN from Christopher St, Brooklyn #belarus

MandJMeyers <mandjmeyers@...>
 

Mary (Miriam) MASS, whose parents were Max and Rebecca (nee MEYEROWITZ)
from
Brestovitsa (Bialystok/Grodno area), married a Jack (Jacob) GOLDSTEIN in
1932 in Brooklyn.

Jack's parents were Sam and Fanny GOLDSTEIN and in 1932, Jack lived with
them on Christopher St in Brooklyn.
Jack's occupation in 1932 was listed as 'law clerk' (would that have
meant an assistant in a law office
or a lawyer clerking for a judge??) and in the 1930 census he is working
in a grocery store.

In the 1930 census, Jack's 85 year old grandmother Sarah has joined them
in Brooklyn.

In the 1920 census, the same address on Christopher St houses presumed
relatives, Morris and Rachel(?) GOLDSTEIN
and their children, Lena, Sarah, Joseph, Sam, Anna, Celia and Minnie.

If any of these GOLDSTEIN are familiar, please contact me privately at
<MandJMeyers@gmail.com>

Marty Meyers
Montclair, NJ


Belarus SIG #Belarus searching: GOLDSTEIN from Christopher St, Brooklyn #belarus

MandJMeyers <mandjmeyers@...>
 

Mary (Miriam) MASS, whose parents were Max and Rebecca (nee MEYEROWITZ)
from
Brestovitsa (Bialystok/Grodno area), married a Jack (Jacob) GOLDSTEIN in
1932 in Brooklyn.

Jack's parents were Sam and Fanny GOLDSTEIN and in 1932, Jack lived with
them on Christopher St in Brooklyn.
Jack's occupation in 1932 was listed as 'law clerk' (would that have
meant an assistant in a law office
or a lawyer clerking for a judge??) and in the 1930 census he is working
in a grocery store.

In the 1930 census, Jack's 85 year old grandmother Sarah has joined them
in Brooklyn.

In the 1920 census, the same address on Christopher St houses presumed
relatives, Morris and Rachel(?) GOLDSTEIN
and their children, Lena, Sarah, Joseph, Sam, Anna, Celia and Minnie.

If any of these GOLDSTEIN are familiar, please contact me privately at
<MandJMeyers@gmail.com>

Marty Meyers
Montclair, NJ


searching Abraham Isadore MEYERS #belarus

MandJMeyers <mandjmeyers@...>
 

I've found a little more on the Awrum Izthak MEYEROWITZ I've been
searching for.
In addition to being >from Brestovitsa (family >from the
Brestovitsa/Bialystok/Grodno area)
as was my great-grandfather and Awrum Itzhak's aunt
Rivka (Rebecca) MASS (nee MEYEROWITZ), I found his WWI registration
which had
his english name as Abraham Isadore MEYERS and listed his uncle Max MASS
as his
nearest relative, living on Sutter in Brooklyn.

I also found that Rivka's father was named Awrum Izthak as well.

I have found no sign yet of Abraham Isadore after the WWI 1918 registration.
He was living on Henry St in Manhattan and working at Berg Bros as a
salesman.

If this sound familiar, please contact me privately at
<MandJMeyers@gmail.com>

Marty Meyers
Montclair, NJ


Belarus SIG #Belarus searching Abraham Isadore MEYERS #belarus

MandJMeyers <mandjmeyers@...>
 

I've found a little more on the Awrum Izthak MEYEROWITZ I've been
searching for.
In addition to being >from Brestovitsa (family >from the
Brestovitsa/Bialystok/Grodno area)
as was my great-grandfather and Awrum Itzhak's aunt
Rivka (Rebecca) MASS (nee MEYEROWITZ), I found his WWI registration
which had
his english name as Abraham Isadore MEYERS and listed his uncle Max MASS
as his
nearest relative, living on Sutter in Brooklyn.

I also found that Rivka's father was named Awrum Izthak as well.

I have found no sign yet of Abraham Isadore after the WWI 1918 registration.
He was living on Henry St in Manhattan and working at Berg Bros as a
salesman.

If this sound familiar, please contact me privately at
<MandJMeyers@gmail.com>

Marty Meyers
Montclair, NJ


Jewish Naming tradition #ukraine

Cindy Jeitler <cljeitler@...>
 

In my family, we were brought up with the belief that you never name a
new baby for a living person but choose the name of someone who had
passed on. Many of us were named for the same ancestor but with
variations of their name ie Leah, Leona, Lee, Lori, Lynn all named for
our /Aunt Leah/ who passed in the early 1960's. We also have often
/Americanized/ our children's names so that Yoshua became Jason and so
forth. Everyone in our family has a "Jewish" name as well as their legal
given name.

Cindy Jeitler


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Jewish Naming tradition #ukraine

Cindy Jeitler <cljeitler@...>
 

In my family, we were brought up with the belief that you never name a
new baby for a living person but choose the name of someone who had
passed on. Many of us were named for the same ancestor but with
variations of their name ie Leah, Leona, Lee, Lori, Lynn all named for
our /Aunt Leah/ who passed in the early 1960's. We also have often
/Americanized/ our children's names so that Yoshua became Jason and so
forth. Everyone in our family has a "Jewish" name as well as their legal
given name.

Cindy Jeitler


Yassa, Romania #romania

Greg Tuckman
 

Cindy asked about Yassa, Romania. Also often seen as Yassy or Jassy. It is
properly spelled "Iasi" and pronounced "Yash". It is in the far
northeastern corner of current day Romania.

Greg Tuckman
Arizona

Searching: GOLDSTEIN, MARCUS, SOBEL, COHEN, DANIEL, SPINNER >from Iasi.


Re: Yassa, Romania #romania

Eugene Weinstein <ew.reg.jewishgen@...>
 

Subject: Yassa, Romania
From: Cindy Jeitler <cljeitler@cox.net>
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 17:06:20 -0700

In looking over some notes I took while speaking to my grandmother
thirty-four years ago, I discovered that she had said her family came
from a place called Yassa in Romania. Does the name sound familiar to
anyone?
Of course. It is Iasi, in Eastern Romania (area now called Moldavia),
bordering Moldova (formerly Moldavian Soviet Socialist Republic, and
Bessarabia prior to that). It is pronounced "Yassi" in Russian, "Yash"
in Romanian and "Yoysh" in Yiddish. This area was part of the Russian
Empire (which is probably why your grandmother used Russian
pronunciation), but became part of Romania following the Russian
Revolution of 1917. Iasi was the "district" (uezd) capital until it
was moved to Balti towards the end of the 19th century.

My great grandparents lived in Iasi until 1940. I suspect that my
great grandmother Mariam (Miriam) was born there, as according to
family legend she was the granddaughter of the "Yoisher Rebbe".
Unfortunately, I still have not figured out who that Rabbi might have
been. My grandfather, who passed away two decades ago, was the sole
survivor of WWII >from his family. I don't even know the names of his
two sisters who were killed along with their parents in the first days
of war.

Eugene Weinstein (Vaynshteyn)
Passaic, NJ
Originally >from Kishinev, Moldova


Romania SIG #Romania Yassa, Romania #romania

Greg Tuckman
 

Cindy asked about Yassa, Romania. Also often seen as Yassy or Jassy. It is
properly spelled "Iasi" and pronounced "Yash". It is in the far
northeastern corner of current day Romania.

Greg Tuckman
Arizona

Searching: GOLDSTEIN, MARCUS, SOBEL, COHEN, DANIEL, SPINNER >from Iasi.


Romania SIG #Romania Re: Yassa, Romania #romania

Eugene Weinstein <ew.reg.jewishgen@...>
 

Subject: Yassa, Romania
From: Cindy Jeitler <cljeitler@cox.net>
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 17:06:20 -0700

In looking over some notes I took while speaking to my grandmother
thirty-four years ago, I discovered that she had said her family came
from a place called Yassa in Romania. Does the name sound familiar to
anyone?
Of course. It is Iasi, in Eastern Romania (area now called Moldavia),
bordering Moldova (formerly Moldavian Soviet Socialist Republic, and
Bessarabia prior to that). It is pronounced "Yassi" in Russian, "Yash"
in Romanian and "Yoysh" in Yiddish. This area was part of the Russian
Empire (which is probably why your grandmother used Russian
pronunciation), but became part of Romania following the Russian
Revolution of 1917. Iasi was the "district" (uezd) capital until it
was moved to Balti towards the end of the 19th century.

My great grandparents lived in Iasi until 1940. I suspect that my
great grandmother Mariam (Miriam) was born there, as according to
family legend she was the granddaughter of the "Yoisher Rebbe".
Unfortunately, I still have not figured out who that Rabbi might have
been. My grandfather, who passed away two decades ago, was the sole
survivor of WWII >from his family. I don't even know the names of his
two sisters who were killed along with their parents in the first days
of war.

Eugene Weinstein (Vaynshteyn)
Passaic, NJ
Originally >from Kishinev, Moldova