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Peter Lande to talk on ITS records at JGSCV Meeting - June 29 #general

jan meisels allen <janmallen@...>
 

Meeting: Jewish Genealogical Society of the Conejo Valley
and Ventura County (JGSCV)

Program: Genealogical Records >from the Holocaust – The Breakthrough?

Peter Lande, USHMM, will talk on the release of International
Tracing Service records and what to expect >from the records.

The meeting is co-sponsored with and held at Temple Adat Elohim,
2420 E Hillcrest Drive, Thousand Oaks, CA.

Sunday, June 29, 2008, 3:00-5:00 p.m. NOTE LATER START TIME

No charge to attend the meeting.

For more information regarding the meeting, including directions,
please visit our website, www.JGSCV.org

Jan Meisels Allen
President, JGSCV


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Peter Lande to talk on ITS records at JGSCV Meeting - June 29 #general

jan meisels allen <janmallen@...>
 

Meeting: Jewish Genealogical Society of the Conejo Valley
and Ventura County (JGSCV)

Program: Genealogical Records >from the Holocaust – The Breakthrough?

Peter Lande, USHMM, will talk on the release of International
Tracing Service records and what to expect >from the records.

The meeting is co-sponsored with and held at Temple Adat Elohim,
2420 E Hillcrest Drive, Thousand Oaks, CA.

Sunday, June 29, 2008, 3:00-5:00 p.m. NOTE LATER START TIME

No charge to attend the meeting.

For more information regarding the meeting, including directions,
please visit our website, www.JGSCV.org

Jan Meisels Allen
President, JGSCV


Odessa list of names and museum report #ukraine

Howard Morris
 

Nice report >from A. Gutenkauf on her Odessa museum trip.

"We were in Odessa last month and visited the Migdal Jewish Museum...
has a book with the names and addresses of the Jewish residents of
Odessa >from 1894 - 1918."

"Do you know if there's a way to check the list of names and addresses of Odessa's Jewish residents 1900+/- without going to the museum? (The museum does not have this list on-line.)


Howard Morris,
Needham, MA
Researching MOFSHOWITZ, BUTENSKY (Odessa, Novagrudok, Elizabetgrad), BIRENBAUM, SPERLING, GOLDENOFSKY (Ostrova/Ostrow-Lubelski), NUSSBAUM, PINCUS (Ronizow, Rzeszow) and KRUGLOFF (Minsk).


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Odessa list of names and museum report #ukraine

Howard Morris
 

Nice report >from A. Gutenkauf on her Odessa museum trip.

"We were in Odessa last month and visited the Migdal Jewish Museum...
has a book with the names and addresses of the Jewish residents of
Odessa >from 1894 - 1918."

"Do you know if there's a way to check the list of names and addresses of Odessa's Jewish residents 1900+/- without going to the museum? (The museum does not have this list on-line.)


Howard Morris,
Needham, MA
Researching MOFSHOWITZ, BUTENSKY (Odessa, Novagrudok, Elizabetgrad), BIRENBAUM, SPERLING, GOLDENOFSKY (Ostrova/Ostrow-Lubelski), NUSSBAUM, PINCUS (Ronizow, Rzeszow) and KRUGLOFF (Minsk).


Romanian Citizenship Declaration #romania

Fred M. Schwartz <fritz123@...>
 

I recently came into possession of my gfather's Romanian Citizenship
Declaration. The certificate, signed by Carol I, is dated 10 December,1879
and references the law voted by the Senate on 13 October 1879, which
apparently granted citizenship to Jews who fought in the rebellion
against the Ottoman Empire. The certificate references Article 7-2 of the
Constitution and his (Carol I ) decree No. 2529 of November 6th, 1879.

Three questions:

1. Where can I obtain a copy of the old Romanian Constitution for that
specific clause?
2. Where can I obtain a copy of that law and that Decree?
3. What is the likely-hood that there is a dossier on my gfather filed
somewhere relating to this certificate. If so, where might it be?

The lesson here is to never give up the search. You never know when a
new document will appear.


Fred M. Schwartz
Researching SCHWARTZ in Buhushi & Nicoresti Romania
fritz123@...


Romania SIG #Romania Romanian Citizenship Declaration #romania

Fred M. Schwartz <fritz123@...>
 

I recently came into possession of my gfather's Romanian Citizenship
Declaration. The certificate, signed by Carol I, is dated 10 December,1879
and references the law voted by the Senate on 13 October 1879, which
apparently granted citizenship to Jews who fought in the rebellion
against the Ottoman Empire. The certificate references Article 7-2 of the
Constitution and his (Carol I ) decree No. 2529 of November 6th, 1879.

Three questions:

1. Where can I obtain a copy of the old Romanian Constitution for that
specific clause?
2. Where can I obtain a copy of that law and that Decree?
3. What is the likely-hood that there is a dossier on my gfather filed
somewhere relating to this certificate. If so, where might it be?

The lesson here is to never give up the search. You never know when a
new document will appear.


Fred M. Schwartz
Researching SCHWARTZ in Buhushi & Nicoresti Romania
fritz123@...


Re: KASCHMANN name origin #germany

Ury Link
 

Rishy Savin asked
I am researching the KASCHMANN family of Wilmars in the 1700s and then
Gross Ropperhausen in the 1800s and 1900s. I [wonder] where the KASCHMANN name
originates. I assume it might have been Katzman but I have no evidence of that.]

My answer is:

Mr Lars Menk in his book A Dictionary of German-Jewish Surnames, by Avotaynu
Inc. Bergenfield N.J 2005, (page 414) Possible >from "Chashman" in Hebrew, a
noble or brilliant one, magnate (In Judo-German also Cardinal) Also >from "Kashe"
(or Kashye in Judo-German) what means a difficult question and the ending of Mann.

Menk also gives the possibility that the name derives >from Kosman and he gives the
explanation that Kosman came >from Cosmus in Greek. Or >from Gottesmann what means
a man of God. Menk notes that the name was found in Gross Ropperhausen.

I know that Mr Lars Menk is one of the best experts on German family names
but I want to give one more explanation:
Kossman (or Kosman,Cosman) is also a nickname to the Biblical name Moshe.
The explanation to this nickname is that Moshe is called in the Bible
"Moshe Yish Ha-Elohim" Moshe the man of God or in German Gottesmann.
(Deuteronomy cap 33 vers 1) then we can theorize that the origin of the
family name Kaschmann is Kosman >from Moshe. Best regards,

Ury Link, Amsterdam Holland <uryl@...>

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German SIG #Germany Re:KASCHMANN name origin #germany

Ury Link
 

Rishy Savin asked
I am researching the KASCHMANN family of Wilmars in the 1700s and then
Gross Ropperhausen in the 1800s and 1900s. I [wonder] where the KASCHMANN name
originates. I assume it might have been Katzman but I have no evidence of that.]

My answer is:

Mr Lars Menk in his book A Dictionary of German-Jewish Surnames, by Avotaynu
Inc. Bergenfield N.J 2005, (page 414) Possible >from "Chashman" in Hebrew, a
noble or brilliant one, magnate (In Judo-German also Cardinal) Also >from "Kashe"
(or Kashye in Judo-German) what means a difficult question and the ending of Mann.

Menk also gives the possibility that the name derives >from Kosman and he gives the
explanation that Kosman came >from Cosmus in Greek. Or >from Gottesmann what means
a man of God. Menk notes that the name was found in Gross Ropperhausen.

I know that Mr Lars Menk is one of the best experts on German family names
but I want to give one more explanation:
Kossman (or Kosman,Cosman) is also a nickname to the Biblical name Moshe.
The explanation to this nickname is that Moshe is called in the Bible
"Moshe Yish Ha-Elohim" Moshe the man of God or in German Gottesmann.
(Deuteronomy cap 33 vers 1) then we can theorize that the origin of the
family name Kaschmann is Kosman >from Moshe. Best regards,

Ury Link, Amsterdam Holland <uryl@...>

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family of R' Moshe Lima, chief rabbi of Vilnius 1655-1670 #lithuania

Ried Nathalie <nathalieried@...>
 

Shalom to all,

I am looking for genealogical information about the family (descendants) of
R' Moshe ben Itzhak Yehuda LIMA, who was Vilnius's chief rabbi >from 1655 to
1670.

The mother of Tsvi Hirsh KATZENELLENBOGEN, one of my ancestors (1795-1868)
was Gitel bat Shlomo Yehuda LIMA, and I suppose it was the same family. In
fact, Gitel appears in the 1816 Revision List as daughter of Shloma and in
the book "Ir Vilna" as the daughter of Yehuda LIMA.

Thanks a lot for any information you could provide about the family, (I'm
sending a copy of this message to the RavSig List)

Best regards,
Nathalie RIED

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Lithuania SIG #Lithuania family of R' Moshe Lima, chief rabbi of Vilnius 1655-1670 #lithuania

Ried Nathalie <nathalieried@...>
 

Shalom to all,

I am looking for genealogical information about the family (descendants) of
R' Moshe ben Itzhak Yehuda LIMA, who was Vilnius's chief rabbi >from 1655 to
1670.

The mother of Tsvi Hirsh KATZENELLENBOGEN, one of my ancestors (1795-1868)
was Gitel bat Shlomo Yehuda LIMA, and I suppose it was the same family. In
fact, Gitel appears in the 1816 Revision List as daughter of Shloma and in
the book "Ir Vilna" as the daughter of Yehuda LIMA.

Thanks a lot for any information you could provide about the family, (I'm
sending a copy of this message to the RavSig List)

Best regards,
Nathalie RIED

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately with family information.
Suggestions for research methods or resources may be shared with
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Hyman relatives from Galicia (Poland) #poland

Mark Fields <mark.fields@...>
 

In researching our family tree, I concentrated on my grandparents' four
surnames. However, it seems I am overlooking a large number of
possible relations having the surname Hyman, which was my maternal
great-grandmother's maiden name.

Her first name: Chava

She was married to Chaim Kornblut.

I do not have exact dates but would estimate that she would have lived
from the middle 1800's to the late 1800's in the area of Kolbuszova or
Baranow Sandomierzki, Poland.

There are many Hymans listed in the Brooklyn and Manhattan white
pages. Kindly contact me should you believe you have an ancestor
related to Chava Hyman.

Thank you and regards,
Mark D. Fields
mark.fields@...
212-691-8493

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JRI Poland #Poland Hyman relatives from Galicia (Poland) #poland

Mark Fields <mark.fields@...>
 

In researching our family tree, I concentrated on my grandparents' four
surnames. However, it seems I am overlooking a large number of
possible relations having the surname Hyman, which was my maternal
great-grandmother's maiden name.

Her first name: Chava

She was married to Chaim Kornblut.

I do not have exact dates but would estimate that she would have lived
from the middle 1800's to the late 1800's in the area of Kolbuszova or
Baranow Sandomierzki, Poland.

There are many Hymans listed in the Brooklyn and Manhattan white
pages. Kindly contact me should you believe you have an ancestor
related to Chava Hyman.

Thank you and regards,
Mark D. Fields
mark.fields@...
212-691-8493

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KASHMAN name etc. #general

Joseph Fibel <jfibel@...>
 

Genners,

When someone asks me where one of my wife's family names, "Olkenitzky" (in
myriad spellings ) came from, I can tell them with certainty that it came
from the time when the family lived in Olkenik, in Lithuania, before they
moved to the place they later lived in for many years, Voronova, before
they either moved to some safe place, escaped, or were murdered. I can also
tell them the the town of Olkenik no longer exists because it's name was
changed to Valkenik and that it is now located it Belarus. The town didn't
move but it's sovereignty did. In the above scenario, Olkenitzki is a
toponymic name. That is a family was named for the place >from which they
came (and they knew it).

When you have a name like Kashman , we really don't Know what the origin of
the name was (it is not obvious,) and the speculation, while interesting,
even >from very wise onomastic specialists is not informative. It would be
more interesting if we had a "Names Taking" list where we could pin down the
family at a specific location and actually find the name. But even then we
might not know the significance or its real meaning.

We can only rely on the Dictionary of Jewish German Names by Lars Menk if
we know that the family came >from a German speaking area. The same name
used in Jewish Polish areas frequently would have different origins as the
same name >from Russian areas and still others >from Galicia.

This posting is not meant to discourage our members for inquiring into the
meaning of their names but only to suggest that unless the family already
knows the name origin, to spend more time on tracing their families back,
generation by generation ion the U. S. and through the many wonderful data
bases in Jewishgen. If you have located your shtetl or community, and you
can't find records, maybe you can be a leader to find, index and publish
these indexes for yourself and others in your community. If you can receive
the list of all the members of your family's home it is like going there and
meeting them as they lived there in the 1850's or 1890's.

Joe Fibel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen KASHMAN name etc. #general

Joseph Fibel <jfibel@...>
 

Genners,

When someone asks me where one of my wife's family names, "Olkenitzky" (in
myriad spellings ) came from, I can tell them with certainty that it came
from the time when the family lived in Olkenik, in Lithuania, before they
moved to the place they later lived in for many years, Voronova, before
they either moved to some safe place, escaped, or were murdered. I can also
tell them the the town of Olkenik no longer exists because it's name was
changed to Valkenik and that it is now located it Belarus. The town didn't
move but it's sovereignty did. In the above scenario, Olkenitzki is a
toponymic name. That is a family was named for the place >from which they
came (and they knew it).

When you have a name like Kashman , we really don't Know what the origin of
the name was (it is not obvious,) and the speculation, while interesting,
even >from very wise onomastic specialists is not informative. It would be
more interesting if we had a "Names Taking" list where we could pin down the
family at a specific location and actually find the name. But even then we
might not know the significance or its real meaning.

We can only rely on the Dictionary of Jewish German Names by Lars Menk if
we know that the family came >from a German speaking area. The same name
used in Jewish Polish areas frequently would have different origins as the
same name >from Russian areas and still others >from Galicia.

This posting is not meant to discourage our members for inquiring into the
meaning of their names but only to suggest that unless the family already
knows the name origin, to spend more time on tracing their families back,
generation by generation ion the U. S. and through the many wonderful data
bases in Jewishgen. If you have located your shtetl or community, and you
can't find records, maybe you can be a leader to find, index and publish
these indexes for yourself and others in your community. If you can receive
the list of all the members of your family's home it is like going there and
meeting them as they lived there in the 1850's or 1890's.

Joe Fibel


Israel Ber & Dina RUBINSTEIN/'Chamichy'(sp) #latinamerica

a1steve's rubbish removals <a1steve@...>
 

Dear All

I have found details of my gggp's as being Israel Ber
and Dina RUBINSTEIN - both Russian subjects - and I have
been told that they had 13 children in total. One, Chaim,
went to Buenos Aires in around 1910, another, Zelig, presumably
died in the late 1920's as his daughter, Dinah(1909-1941), was sent
to London around this time as she had been orphaned. She had
two known brothers - one who had passed away and one who
was a Captain or Commisar in the Russian Army or a Customs
Offical - names unknown. It is rumoured that Israel and Dina's
remaining children went to South America and the US.

Two of Israel and Dina's sons were naturalised in the UK in 1914.
Joseph -born 15/9/1878 and Nathan - born 15/8/1889.
On their files, their place of birth was recorded as
Chmitchim - which was then crossed out to Chamychy and that
was finally crossed out to Chamichy, province of Minsk.

A sister, Rosie/Esther, was born in Babruysk in 1894, and she
married in London in 1915.

I've found a Khomichi Zapol'skiye in Homyel, Belarus, but am
not sure if this would be 'Chamichy'. Any suggestions to this
place name would be appreciated. I also have photographs of
Joe, Nat and Rosie and of Dinah should you be searching for
the RUBINSTEIN name in Minsk.

Naomi Ogin
Brisbane
Searching: BENDEL, BIRK, BRESNARK, BRILLIANT, COVERMAN,
DAVIDOVITCH, DECORVICK, FELDMAN, GLASS, GREENBERG,
GOLD, GROSSMAN, KATZ, KRAMER, KOSSANSKY, LEBIS,
LISEYZNSKI, MANN, MELNICK, NATHAN, OGIN, POLIAKOFF,
RABIN/OVITCH, RANDALL, RUBE/INSTEIN, STEIN/STONE,
TISMAN/TISHMAN/TIESMAN/TESMAN, WILSON/WOOLFSON


Latin America #LatinAmerica Israel Ber & Dina RUBINSTEIN/'Chamichy'(sp) #latinamerica

a1steve's rubbish removals <a1steve@...>
 

Dear All

I have found details of my gggp's as being Israel Ber
and Dina RUBINSTEIN - both Russian subjects - and I have
been told that they had 13 children in total. One, Chaim,
went to Buenos Aires in around 1910, another, Zelig, presumably
died in the late 1920's as his daughter, Dinah(1909-1941), was sent
to London around this time as she had been orphaned. She had
two known brothers - one who had passed away and one who
was a Captain or Commisar in the Russian Army or a Customs
Offical - names unknown. It is rumoured that Israel and Dina's
remaining children went to South America and the US.

Two of Israel and Dina's sons were naturalised in the UK in 1914.
Joseph -born 15/9/1878 and Nathan - born 15/8/1889.
On their files, their place of birth was recorded as
Chmitchim - which was then crossed out to Chamychy and that
was finally crossed out to Chamichy, province of Minsk.

A sister, Rosie/Esther, was born in Babruysk in 1894, and she
married in London in 1915.

I've found a Khomichi Zapol'skiye in Homyel, Belarus, but am
not sure if this would be 'Chamichy'. Any suggestions to this
place name would be appreciated. I also have photographs of
Joe, Nat and Rosie and of Dinah should you be searching for
the RUBINSTEIN name in Minsk.

Naomi Ogin
Brisbane
Searching: BENDEL, BIRK, BRESNARK, BRILLIANT, COVERMAN,
DAVIDOVITCH, DECORVICK, FELDMAN, GLASS, GREENBERG,
GOLD, GROSSMAN, KATZ, KRAMER, KOSSANSKY, LEBIS,
LISEYZNSKI, MANN, MELNICK, NATHAN, OGIN, POLIAKOFF,
RABIN/OVITCH, RANDALL, RUBE/INSTEIN, STEIN/STONE,
TISMAN/TISHMAN/TIESMAN/TESMAN, WILSON/WOOLFSON


Tornopol region - guidance and contacts #ukraine

Avraham Y. Kahana
 

Hello,
I'd like to receive private replies >from anyone who did visit Tornopol
or has contacts there. There's a friend who's making his 1st trip in
his journey to recover his father's past and he's after some guidance.

Thank you in advance,
Avraham Yehoshua Kahana
Raanana
Israel


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Tornopol region - guidance and contacts #ukraine

Avraham Y. Kahana
 

Hello,
I'd like to receive private replies >from anyone who did visit Tornopol
or has contacts there. There's a friend who's making his 1st trip in
his journey to recover his father's past and he's after some guidance.

Thank you in advance,
Avraham Yehoshua Kahana
Raanana
Israel


Australian & New Zealand Burial Records #galicia

Stephen Schmideg <stephen@...>
 

Since a number of SIG members are regularly looking for relatives
in Australia the following website will be of interest:

http://www.bd-bd.info/

This is the Beverley Davis Burial Database. It lists information on
close to 50,000 Jewish burials at all cemeteries within Australia
and the surrounding region, plus Australian War Graves located
overseas.

The database contains much valuable genealogical information,
however it is not a complete listing. I was able to find less than
50% of my family and the missing records ranged >from burials 5 years
to more than 50 years ago.

Stephen Schmideg
Melbourne, Australia


HYMAN relatives from Galicia (Poland) #galicia

Mark Fields <mark.fields@...>
 

In researching our family tree, I concentrated on my grandparents'
four surnames. However, it seems I am overlooking a large number
of possible relations having the surname HYMAN, which was my
maternal great-grandmother's maiden name.

Her first name: Chava

She was married to Chaim KORNBLUT.

I do not have exact dates but would estimate that she would have
lived >from the middle 1800's to the late 1800's in the area of
Kolbuszowa or Baranow Sandomierzki, Poland.

There are many HYMANs listed in the Brooklyn and Manhattan white
pages. Kindly contact me should you believe you have an ancestor
related to Chava HYMAN.

Thank you and regards,
Mark D. Fields
mark.fields@...

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