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GUTTMAN and other families from Tabor #austria-czech

Linda Berkowitz <e-berkowitz@...>
 

I was away when the thread on Tabor began but I hold a keen interest
because I can trace family back to the 1830s in Tabor, though the
family is not one of the five familiantin.

My families >from Tabor include the FANTLs and FREUNDs. My
ggrandmother, Emma FANTL GOLDSTEIN was born in Tabor in 1861. She
claimed that her father Joachim FANTL was also born in Tabor (1834).
Most of Joachim and his wife, Wilhemina's, children immigrated to the
US and settled in Chicago, the only exception being their daughter
Mathylda FANTL FREUND, who remained in Tabor. Mathylda's son Rudolph
intermarried and was, to my understanding, untouched during the
Shoah, though most of his relatives perished. Rudolph FREUND's
descendants still live in Tabor and own the same property that the
family has had for over 100 years.

As for the GUTTMAN family, I have a rather extensive genealogy and
family tree beginning with Moritz FUERTH (b. 1855; d. 1914) and Clara
GUTTMAN FUERTHOVA (b. 1867; d. 1843 in Theresienstadt). Though much
of the family perished in the Shoah, several branches survive,
including: descendents of Clara's daughter Anna FUERTH HUTTER and
her son Arnost FUERTH.

If anyone has any additional information on these families, or
possible leads, I would be delighted to hear >from them.

Linda Berkowitz
Northbrook, IL

Also researching:
GOLDSTEIN, STEINDLER, WEISS, WEISL, TAUSSIG, LOWY, FANTL, KIND, FREUND,
HARTMAN, all >from Bohemia


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech GUTTMAN and other families from Tabor #austria-czech

Linda Berkowitz <e-berkowitz@...>
 

I was away when the thread on Tabor began but I hold a keen interest
because I can trace family back to the 1830s in Tabor, though the
family is not one of the five familiantin.

My families >from Tabor include the FANTLs and FREUNDs. My
ggrandmother, Emma FANTL GOLDSTEIN was born in Tabor in 1861. She
claimed that her father Joachim FANTL was also born in Tabor (1834).
Most of Joachim and his wife, Wilhemina's, children immigrated to the
US and settled in Chicago, the only exception being their daughter
Mathylda FANTL FREUND, who remained in Tabor. Mathylda's son Rudolph
intermarried and was, to my understanding, untouched during the
Shoah, though most of his relatives perished. Rudolph FREUND's
descendants still live in Tabor and own the same property that the
family has had for over 100 years.

As for the GUTTMAN family, I have a rather extensive genealogy and
family tree beginning with Moritz FUERTH (b. 1855; d. 1914) and Clara
GUTTMAN FUERTHOVA (b. 1867; d. 1843 in Theresienstadt). Though much
of the family perished in the Shoah, several branches survive,
including: descendents of Clara's daughter Anna FUERTH HUTTER and
her son Arnost FUERTH.

If anyone has any additional information on these families, or
possible leads, I would be delighted to hear >from them.

Linda Berkowitz
Northbrook, IL

Also researching:
GOLDSTEIN, STEINDLER, WEISS, WEISL, TAUSSIG, LOWY, FANTL, KIND, FREUND,
HARTMAN, all >from Bohemia


Re: Sanatorium Furth, Vienna - Birth and Death links #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Yesterday I posed a question in my posting re Sanatorium Furth and its owner,
Dr Lothar FURTH. This is the Sanatorium in Vienna where both Sigger Frank
Eisinger and I were born.

I asked "has anyone a link to the FURTH family?

Well, I have found the answer myself this morning ...and it is a tragic one.
The title of my posting was sadly very apt and telepathic:

......., just three weeks after the Nazis had marched into Vienna, FURTH
and his wife killed themselves. They injected themselves with poison inside
Schmidgasse 14.

“We found out that our great grandfather owned the match monopoly in the
Hapsburg empire. Our grandfather owned a brewery." see:

http://www.insidetennis.com/1104_andrews.html
Please read this URL as it may have more links for us.
It is tragic, but fascinating.

....... Chris and Rich [who were not aware of their Jewish Viennese ancestry]
are not the only living FURTH heirs. ... {their mother Elizabeth nee REDLICH
was born at the sanatorium and committed suicide in 1971}.. they discovered
that, unknown to the Andrewses, another branch of the family lived on the
East Coast. One relative, Eva PERL, Lothar FURTH'S 96-year-old first cousin,
was also born at Schmidgasse 14. Another was Alfred STRASSER who recalled how,
as an 11-year-old .....

Frank Eisinger told me [I have his permission to quote] that the gynaecologist
who assisted at his birth was Dr Jacques NEUER, born 14.07.1884.
He emigrated to New York and had an elegant practice here but, tragically
he also committed suicide.

Frank also knows that the Sanatorium was built in 1868/69.

So, the end of Sanatorium Furth was very tragic.. and we remember the devoted
staff here today.

Celia Male [U.K., but currently in NY]


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech re: Sanatorium Furth, Vienna - Birth and Death links #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Yesterday I posed a question in my posting re Sanatorium Furth and its owner,
Dr Lothar FURTH. This is the Sanatorium in Vienna where both Sigger Frank
Eisinger and I were born.

I asked "has anyone a link to the FURTH family?

Well, I have found the answer myself this morning ...and it is a tragic one.
The title of my posting was sadly very apt and telepathic:

......., just three weeks after the Nazis had marched into Vienna, FURTH
and his wife killed themselves. They injected themselves with poison inside
Schmidgasse 14.

“We found out that our great grandfather owned the match monopoly in the
Hapsburg empire. Our grandfather owned a brewery." see:

http://www.insidetennis.com/1104_andrews.html
Please read this URL as it may have more links for us.
It is tragic, but fascinating.

....... Chris and Rich [who were not aware of their Jewish Viennese ancestry]
are not the only living FURTH heirs. ... {their mother Elizabeth nee REDLICH
was born at the sanatorium and committed suicide in 1971}.. they discovered
that, unknown to the Andrewses, another branch of the family lived on the
East Coast. One relative, Eva PERL, Lothar FURTH'S 96-year-old first cousin,
was also born at Schmidgasse 14. Another was Alfred STRASSER who recalled how,
as an 11-year-old .....

Frank Eisinger told me [I have his permission to quote] that the gynaecologist
who assisted at his birth was Dr Jacques NEUER, born 14.07.1884.
He emigrated to New York and had an elegant practice here but, tragically
he also committed suicide.

Frank also knows that the Sanatorium was built in 1868/69.

So, the end of Sanatorium Furth was very tragic.. and we remember the devoted
staff here today.

Celia Male [U.K., but currently in NY]


Re: 'DEATH AT SEA' QUESTION #unitedkingdom

Ruth Bloom <ruthpbloom@...>
 

It might be worth looking for her in the GRO marine deaths register, which you can access online via www.1837online.co.uk (choose 'overseas'). If she's there you can then order her death certificate.
Otherwise I would expect a death at sea to be recorded on the passenger manifest (often a separate section at the end of the list of passengers). There is also, as you say, a list of deaths at sea held at Kew. If you fail to find your relative in the GRO index, contact me privately as I go to Kew fairly frequently and may be able to do a quick look-up for you.
Ruth Bloom
Isleworth
Researching : BLOOM (London, Bristol, Poland)
NAVLOSKY/KALISKY (Poland)


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom re: 'DEATH AT SEA' QUESTION #unitedkingdom

Ruth Bloom <ruthpbloom@...>
 

It might be worth looking for her in the GRO marine deaths register, which you can access online via www.1837online.co.uk (choose 'overseas'). If she's there you can then order her death certificate.
Otherwise I would expect a death at sea to be recorded on the passenger manifest (often a separate section at the end of the list of passengers). There is also, as you say, a list of deaths at sea held at Kew. If you fail to find your relative in the GRO index, contact me privately as I go to Kew fairly frequently and may be able to do a quick look-up for you.
Ruth Bloom
Isleworth
Researching : BLOOM (London, Bristol, Poland)
NAVLOSKY/KALISKY (Poland)


need help #latvia

Sabrina Rabinovich
 

MODERATOR: This list is not the right one for the
below message. However, as I can see that Sabrina
posted it to both Lithuania and Belarus mailing
lists, I found that I should let it pass - mainly
because of the overlap between the countries due
to the many changes of borders over time.
----------------------------------------------------

Dear list

I'm new on the Jewishgen and need some advice. I was
looking a list of researchers but did not find any.
Maybe some of you knows a good one who works in
Vilna. I have many family names to search in the
region of Smorgany (Lithuania) and Druya (Belarus).
Can any of you confirm the availability of Druya
documents in Lithuanian archives?
Many thanks in advance.

Sabrina Rabinovich
sabrina_rab@yahoo.com
France

Researching: Milmann, Levy, Rabinovich (Smorgany),
Jofe, Grinin (Druya)


Latvia SIG #Latvia need help #latvia

Sabrina Rabinovich
 

MODERATOR: This list is not the right one for the
below message. However, as I can see that Sabrina
posted it to both Lithuania and Belarus mailing
lists, I found that I should let it pass - mainly
because of the overlap between the countries due
to the many changes of borders over time.
----------------------------------------------------

Dear list

I'm new on the Jewishgen and need some advice. I was
looking a list of researchers but did not find any.
Maybe some of you knows a good one who works in
Vilna. I have many family names to search in the
region of Smorgany (Lithuania) and Druya (Belarus).
Can any of you confirm the availability of Druya
documents in Lithuanian archives?
Many thanks in advance.

Sabrina Rabinovich
sabrina_rab@yahoo.com
France

Researching: Milmann, Levy, Rabinovich (Smorgany),
Jofe, Grinin (Druya)


Castle Garden immigration records and history #germany

Christopher Massur <cmassur@...>
 

Last week someone brought this web-site to my attention:

http://www.castlegarden.org/

it contains the early arrivals to New York >from the 1830's until the Ellis
Island data base takes over. Good luck

Christopher Massur, Curaçao

MOD NOTE: Castle Garden was used as an entry point for immigrants for some time
prior to the opening of the Ellis Island facility. The structure had been a
fort defending the New York colony. The cannons sheltered within its massive
walls gave that part of Manhattan its name, "The Battery". (Also Battery Park
and Battery Park City. The fort was originally on an island south of the colony
but was later connected to Manhattan's mainland by landfill.

In addition to being an immigration station and a fortress, it housed
an aquarium and, I believe, now serves as a museum. According to Robert Caro's
biography of New York's "Master Builder", Robert Moses, Moses attempted to have
the structure destroyed as revenge against historic preservation advocates who
blocked a proposed Moses building plan.

When you come to NYC for the 2006 IAJGS Conference,
stop by Castle Garden in Battery Park on your way to
the nearyby Museum of the Jewish Heritage, Ellis Island,
and the Statue of Liberty. John Paul Lowens - GerSIG MOD1


German SIG #Germany Castle Garden immigration records and history #germany

Christopher Massur <cmassur@...>
 

Last week someone brought this web-site to my attention:

http://www.castlegarden.org/

it contains the early arrivals to New York >from the 1830's until the Ellis
Island data base takes over. Good luck

Christopher Massur, Curaçao

MOD NOTE: Castle Garden was used as an entry point for immigrants for some time
prior to the opening of the Ellis Island facility. The structure had been a
fort defending the New York colony. The cannons sheltered within its massive
walls gave that part of Manhattan its name, "The Battery". (Also Battery Park
and Battery Park City. The fort was originally on an island south of the colony
but was later connected to Manhattan's mainland by landfill.

In addition to being an immigration station and a fortress, it housed
an aquarium and, I believe, now serves as a museum. According to Robert Caro's
biography of New York's "Master Builder", Robert Moses, Moses attempted to have
the structure destroyed as revenge against historic preservation advocates who
blocked a proposed Moses building plan.

When you come to NYC for the 2006 IAJGS Conference,
stop by Castle Garden in Battery Park on your way to
the nearyby Museum of the Jewish Heritage, Ellis Island,
and the Statue of Liberty. John Paul Lowens - GerSIG MOD1


Need help with SAIDE arrival #general

Lisa Dashman <ldashman@...>
 

Hello, Genners,
For over a year I have been trying to find the immigration record for
Eliezar/Lazar/Louis & Zlata Leah/Lena SAIDE. This couple, probably with a
very young daughter, left Russia and arrived in the US in the late 19th
century, settling in New York City. The 1910 Census states they arrived in
1890, so I've searched 1880-1900 in both Castle Garden and Ellis Island
databases. (I have not been able to locate them in the 1900 Census.) But it
is also possible they arrived through Canada as other members of that
family branch did later.

To complicate matters, besides SAIDE I've seen records with the name
spelled SUIDE, SEIDE, and ZIDE.

Can anyone suggest where else to search?

Best wishes,
Lisa Dashman
New York


hatter #general

sulamitb <sulamitb@...>
 

Dear Genners,
Many members of my family >from the town Tarnow were hatters. Part of them
moved to the States and worked as hatters in their new home.
Does anybody know if this was a typical Jewish profession? How was the
situation in other Galician cities? What is the "hatter decease"?
I will appreciate your answers.

Sulamith Beith Yannai
Jerusalem


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Need help with SAIDE arrival #general

Lisa Dashman <ldashman@...>
 

Hello, Genners,
For over a year I have been trying to find the immigration record for
Eliezar/Lazar/Louis & Zlata Leah/Lena SAIDE. This couple, probably with a
very young daughter, left Russia and arrived in the US in the late 19th
century, settling in New York City. The 1910 Census states they arrived in
1890, so I've searched 1880-1900 in both Castle Garden and Ellis Island
databases. (I have not been able to locate them in the 1900 Census.) But it
is also possible they arrived through Canada as other members of that
family branch did later.

To complicate matters, besides SAIDE I've seen records with the name
spelled SUIDE, SEIDE, and ZIDE.

Can anyone suggest where else to search?

Best wishes,
Lisa Dashman
New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen hatter #general

sulamitb <sulamitb@...>
 

Dear Genners,
Many members of my family >from the town Tarnow were hatters. Part of them
moved to the States and worked as hatters in their new home.
Does anybody know if this was a typical Jewish profession? How was the
situation in other Galician cities? What is the "hatter decease"?
I will appreciate your answers.

Sulamith Beith Yannai
Jerusalem


About Viewmate-too short extracts #general

Stephane Toublanc <toublanc@...>
 

Hello

I will repeat here, some general observations we gave since long. Usually
persons who require translations on viewmate are showing too short extracts,
only few words. We never must forgive that it is very important to recognize
caracters to get larger extracts of a whole, to be abble to compare
caracters. This because how a cracter is written depends of the manner used
in each country and time first, and also depends of the person who has
written. So to recognize somethng with only one or two words, out of its
context, make the work more difficult if not impossible.
Thanks

Stephane Toublanc
Paris-France
toublanc@alicemail.fr

MODERATOR NOTE: ViewMate FAQs are available at:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/faq.html


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen About Viewmate-too short extracts #general

Stephane Toublanc <toublanc@...>
 

Hello

I will repeat here, some general observations we gave since long. Usually
persons who require translations on viewmate are showing too short extracts,
only few words. We never must forgive that it is very important to recognize
caracters to get larger extracts of a whole, to be abble to compare
caracters. This because how a cracter is written depends of the manner used
in each country and time first, and also depends of the person who has
written. So to recognize somethng with only one or two words, out of its
context, make the work more difficult if not impossible.
Thanks

Stephane Toublanc
Paris-France
toublanc@alicemail.fr

MODERATOR NOTE: ViewMate FAQs are available at:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/faq.html


Re: Preservation of electronic records #germany

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Keith Martin" < keithmart@talktalk.net > wrote:


whilst I agree with the sentiments of preserving electronic information,
the idea of using a "universal" language has been tried before. As no-one
has a crystal ball that can know which way technology will go, the
universal language approach fails.

Good old pieces of paper last through the centuries, and computers can
print out their information on paper.

It is still the best approach to future proof in my opinion
There are also serious problems of storage of paper - space, envioronment,
the quality of the paper etc, the documentataion.

Of course, the amount of information expands exponentially with computers -
just think of the amount of output that computers generate - so much for the
paperless office!

But see the UK National Archive website about standards for storage of
records.

The fact is that there are problems with the storage of records - both paper
and electronic.

Organisations need to have constant review on their record storage. There is
going to be a problem if records are kept for ever without any review of the
necessity for their retention.

I recently heard of a hospital where the employment records were kept in a
basement which was flooded and there were rats, and so they had to throw out
the records because they were a health danger.

Any serious organisation in the UK has to have a Records Management Policy.
The aspect of proper method of storage will be considered in such a policy.

Long-term storage will be in an Archive. They will have rules about method
of storage.

I do know that electronic computer tapes which were archived used to be
recopied every year in case there was any loss of quality in the data
stored.

--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Preservation of electronic records #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Keith Martin" < keithmart@talktalk.net > wrote:


whilst I agree with the sentiments of preserving electronic information,
the idea of using a "universal" language has been tried before. As no-one
has a crystal ball that can know which way technology will go, the
universal language approach fails.

Good old pieces of paper last through the centuries, and computers can
print out their information on paper.

It is still the best approach to future proof in my opinion
There are also serious problems of storage of paper - space, envioronment,
the quality of the paper etc, the documentataion.

Of course, the amount of information expands exponentially with computers -
just think of the amount of output that computers generate - so much for the
paperless office!

But see the UK National Archive website about standards for storage of
records.

The fact is that there are problems with the storage of records - both paper
and electronic.

Organisations need to have constant review on their record storage. There is
going to be a problem if records are kept for ever without any review of the
necessity for their retention.

I recently heard of a hospital where the employment records were kept in a
basement which was flooded and there were rats, and so they had to throw out
the records because they were a health danger.

Any serious organisation in the UK has to have a Records Management Policy.
The aspect of proper method of storage will be considered in such a policy.

Long-term storage will be in an Archive. They will have rules about method
of storage.

I do know that electronic computer tapes which were archived used to be
recopied every year in case there was any loss of quality in the data
stored.

--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)


Re: Publishing Genealogies #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Hilary Henkin" < hilary@proppersource.com > wrote:

I'd like to offer a differing opinion about this topic, in total
agreement with Stan Goodman.
snip

If I list someone as "daughter, living", how can this lead to identity
theft? Even if I list "Ann, still living", how can this lead to identity
theft???? And how many cases of identity theft have you heard of which
began with info >from a genealogy website????
Well, my ISP (Internet Service Provider) BT Yahoo uses my mother's maiden
name as a way of accessing the Internet if I have forgotten my password.

There is lots of information that is obviously available on the Internet.
One person who posts on this newsgroup referred to me half-jokingly as
"spying" on her when I looked up her name and then when I wrote to her I
referred to some information I had found out about her.

I think I have referred previously to "data warehousing" which is used by
marketing companies. If they have a number of databases containing
information collected independently about people, they can then pool the
information >from the different databases to build up a much more detailed
picture of individuals.

In effect, the Internet is a intersecting set of a vast number of
independent databases.

Genealogical researchers are able to use this facility to build up a picture
of their ancestors.

Whilst noone minds this about people who are no longer alive, but people are
quite right to be concerned about the information about themselves available
on the Internet.

As in other areas of public interest, the fact that something is interesting
doesn't necessarily mean that such things are in the public interest.
--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Publishing Genealogies #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Hilary Henkin" < hilary@proppersource.com > wrote:

I'd like to offer a differing opinion about this topic, in total
agreement with Stan Goodman.
snip

If I list someone as "daughter, living", how can this lead to identity
theft? Even if I list "Ann, still living", how can this lead to identity
theft???? And how many cases of identity theft have you heard of which
began with info >from a genealogy website????
Well, my ISP (Internet Service Provider) BT Yahoo uses my mother's maiden
name as a way of accessing the Internet if I have forgotten my password.

There is lots of information that is obviously available on the Internet.
One person who posts on this newsgroup referred to me half-jokingly as
"spying" on her when I looked up her name and then when I wrote to her I
referred to some information I had found out about her.

I think I have referred previously to "data warehousing" which is used by
marketing companies. If they have a number of databases containing
information collected independently about people, they can then pool the
information >from the different databases to build up a much more detailed
picture of individuals.

In effect, the Internet is a intersecting set of a vast number of
independent databases.

Genealogical researchers are able to use this facility to build up a picture
of their ancestors.

Whilst noone minds this about people who are no longer alive, but people are
quite right to be concerned about the information about themselves available
on the Internet.

As in other areas of public interest, the fact that something is interesting
doesn't necessarily mean that such things are in the public interest.
--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)