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Researching GELLIN or GELIN (originally from Gellin, France) then Slonim, Grodno, Russia (Belarus) #belarus

Karen Wyman <ancestoire@...>
 

I am looking for assistance locating an ancestor GELLIN (or GELIN)
believed to be >from Gellen, Doubs, Franche-Comt, France. He fought in
the Russian Campaign of 1812 and was wounded and it is believed that he
made his way to Slonim, Grodno, Russia (Belarus) where he married a
Russian woman and remained.

The next ancestor known is probably a grandson, Alexander GELLIN, born
Slonim, Grodno about 1840. Do not know his wife's name. His children
were: Rivka, Sarah and David GELLEN. (David GELLEN was born around 1867
in Slonim).

David GELLEN married Goldie SOLOMON presumably in Slonim, then
immigrated to New York about 1900.

Goldie and children: Abram, Herschel (Harry) Schlame (Samuel) and
Weiwel (William) all immigrated on 20 Jul 1906 on the SS Mississippi.
Daughters Celia and Pauline traveled separately (I have not located
their manifests.) Son Hyman was born in NYC.

I have not been able to locate any information on the family pre-1906,
when Goldie and children emigrated.

Any assistance with locating information or additional ideas where to
search for the family in Russia/Belarus (and France), would be most
appreciated!

Thank you,
Karen Katz Wyman
Cleveland, Ohio, USA

Please reply to: ancestoire@...=


Re: Emigration to England #ukraine

Alex Girshovich
 

Hi Wendy,

I think it is best described in "Wandering Stars" by Sholom Aleichem.

Cheers,

BR,
Alex Girshovich


Belarus SIG #Belarus Researching GELLIN or GELIN (originally from Gellin, France) then Slonim, Grodno, Russia (Belarus) #belarus

Karen Wyman <ancestoire@...>
 

I am looking for assistance locating an ancestor GELLIN (or GELIN)
believed to be >from Gellen, Doubs, Franche-Comt, France. He fought in
the Russian Campaign of 1812 and was wounded and it is believed that he
made his way to Slonim, Grodno, Russia (Belarus) where he married a
Russian woman and remained.

The next ancestor known is probably a grandson, Alexander GELLIN, born
Slonim, Grodno about 1840. Do not know his wife's name. His children
were: Rivka, Sarah and David GELLEN. (David GELLEN was born around 1867
in Slonim).

David GELLEN married Goldie SOLOMON presumably in Slonim, then
immigrated to New York about 1900.

Goldie and children: Abram, Herschel (Harry) Schlame (Samuel) and
Weiwel (William) all immigrated on 20 Jul 1906 on the SS Mississippi.
Daughters Celia and Pauline traveled separately (I have not located
their manifests.) Son Hyman was born in NYC.

I have not been able to locate any information on the family pre-1906,
when Goldie and children emigrated.

Any assistance with locating information or additional ideas where to
search for the family in Russia/Belarus (and France), would be most
appreciated!

Thank you,
Karen Katz Wyman
Cleveland, Ohio, USA

Please reply to: ancestoire@...=


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Emigration to England #ukraine

Alex Girshovich
 

Hi Wendy,

I think it is best described in "Wandering Stars" by Sholom Aleichem.

Cheers,

BR,
Alex Girshovich


Re: Cost of Passage to America #ukraine

Alex Girshovich
 

Hi Sherwin,

Cost of move was only one of the reasons. Yet, there were many others,
Just a few examples >from my family.
1. My grand grandfather went to the US in 1913 alone, leaving the
family behind him in Belarus, a part of the Russian empire. The idea
behind this was that it would be easier for him to settle there alone,
make all the arrangements and the wife with 8 children would join in
2-3 years, when everything is ready. It was a popular state of mind at
that time and it could work, if not for the reason #2.
2. In 1914 WWI broke out, followed by two Russian revolutions and
Civil War. These were really hard times, and travelling via Europe was
an enormous challenge, full of life dangers.
3. It was not before 1924 that my grand grandfather managed to invite
his family to the US, However, the Bolsheviks did not give permits to
children above 18. So, the 3 elder children had to stay in the USSR,
including my grandfather who had married and born a child (my mom) by
this time,
4. The 3rd brother that was still single managed to escape >from the
USSR in 1925 via Latvia, being smuggled in a ship's cargo deck,
reached Canada and only then joined the family in Cleveland, OH.

All these challenges were naturally on top of the cost of move.
And I believe that almost every family had to overcome its own hurdles.

BR,
Alex Girshovich
Jerusalem Israel.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Cost of Passage to America #ukraine

Alex Girshovich
 

Hi Sherwin,

Cost of move was only one of the reasons. Yet, there were many others,
Just a few examples >from my family.
1. My grand grandfather went to the US in 1913 alone, leaving the
family behind him in Belarus, a part of the Russian empire. The idea
behind this was that it would be easier for him to settle there alone,
make all the arrangements and the wife with 8 children would join in
2-3 years, when everything is ready. It was a popular state of mind at
that time and it could work, if not for the reason #2.
2. In 1914 WWI broke out, followed by two Russian revolutions and
Civil War. These were really hard times, and travelling via Europe was
an enormous challenge, full of life dangers.
3. It was not before 1924 that my grand grandfather managed to invite
his family to the US, However, the Bolsheviks did not give permits to
children above 18. So, the 3 elder children had to stay in the USSR,
including my grandfather who had married and born a child (my mom) by
this time,
4. The 3rd brother that was still single managed to escape >from the
USSR in 1925 via Latvia, being smuggled in a ship's cargo deck,
reached Canada and only then joined the family in Cleveland, OH.

All these challenges were naturally on top of the cost of move.
And I believe that almost every family had to overcome its own hurdles.

BR,
Alex Girshovich
Jerusalem Israel.


Russian databases #ukraine

annefeinberg@...
 

Hello everybody,
I wonder why there is no jewish databases for Russia in its current
borders. Has anyone got a clue about this lack ?
Some people of my family were >from Kaliningrad oblast and others went
to St Peterburg at the very end of the 19th century. I can not find
anything about them...
regards
Anne


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Russian databases #ukraine

annefeinberg@...
 

Hello everybody,
I wonder why there is no jewish databases for Russia in its current
borders. Has anyone got a clue about this lack ?
Some people of my family were >from Kaliningrad oblast and others went
to St Peterburg at the very end of the 19th century. I can not find
anything about them...
regards
Anne


Emigration to England #ukraine

dawidowicz@...
 

Wendy Freebourne asked: Can anybody tell me how immigrants >from Russia would
have travelled to London, England at the end of the 19th and beginning of
the 20th centuries? So far, and it is early days, I have found no records. I
also wonder how relatively poor people with several children managed the
cost.

There is an excellent series of descriptions about Jewish migration to the
UK to be found at the 'Moving Here' website at http://tinyurl.com/c5t3msc

Essentially, the average Jewish individual or family would sell up
everything they had to purchase travel tickets: a rail ticket which would
take them across Europe to a sea port such as Antwerp in Belgium or Hamburg
in Germany, where they would normally take a passage to the Port of London.

Each family story is bound to be slightly different - ways of raising the
costs of the travel; preferred routes; passages with or without official
papers; those who travelled by night as it was cheaper or those who went on
ships which they thought would take them to the States only to find
themselves in the East end of London without a place to stay etc.


Martin Davis
London (UK)


Re: ukraine digest: April 20, 2013 #ukraine

Pamela Weisberger
 

"Wendy Freebourne writes:

"Can anybody tell me how immigrants >from Russia would have travelled to
London, England at the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th centuries?
So far, and it is early days, I have found no records. I also wonder how
relatively poor people with several children managed the cost."

Professor Nicholas Evans is giving two talks on this exact topic at
the Latvia luncheon and as a regular session at the IAJGS Conference
in Boston this August:

The Russian American Line and Direct Jewish Emigration to New York

Between 1900 and 1924 a direct emigrant route between Libau (modern
Latvia) and America (New York) provided tens of thousands of Eastern
European Jews with a direct method of emigration >from Imperial Russia.
Though more often known as a conduit for indirect emigration the port
of Libau (modern day Liepaja) was crucial in the westward migration of
Eastern European Jews. Situated within six hours of Vilna tracing
emigrants through this route provides a fascinating understanding of
how Jews were tracked by Russian and US agencies as they migrated to
America's eastern seaboard. Utilising recently available medical
inspection reports of Federal Immigration officials this illustrated
talk demonstrates how it is possible to recreate the experiences of
these emigrants.

Jewish Refugee Travel Across the North Atlantic on the Eve of the Shoah

On the eve of the Shoah tens of thousands of Jews sought to flee to
the west through the passenger operations of transoceanic shipping
companies in Western Europe and America. This illustrated lecture
provides an insight into Jewish travel before and during Hitler's rise
to power. Utilising the archives of shipping companies it will bring
to life the process of emigration for Orthodox Jewish refugees between
1933 and 1939.

If you can't attend the conference, there are usually audio tape
recordings of these talks...

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica, CA
pweisberger@...


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Emigration to England #ukraine

dawidowicz@...
 

Wendy Freebourne asked: Can anybody tell me how immigrants >from Russia would
have travelled to London, England at the end of the 19th and beginning of
the 20th centuries? So far, and it is early days, I have found no records. I
also wonder how relatively poor people with several children managed the
cost.

There is an excellent series of descriptions about Jewish migration to the
UK to be found at the 'Moving Here' website at http://tinyurl.com/c5t3msc

Essentially, the average Jewish individual or family would sell up
everything they had to purchase travel tickets: a rail ticket which would
take them across Europe to a sea port such as Antwerp in Belgium or Hamburg
in Germany, where they would normally take a passage to the Port of London.

Each family story is bound to be slightly different - ways of raising the
costs of the travel; preferred routes; passages with or without official
papers; those who travelled by night as it was cheaper or those who went on
ships which they thought would take them to the States only to find
themselves in the East end of London without a place to stay etc.


Martin Davis
London (UK)


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: ukraine digest: April 20, 2013 #ukraine

Pamela Weisberger
 

"Wendy Freebourne writes:

"Can anybody tell me how immigrants >from Russia would have travelled to
London, England at the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th centuries?
So far, and it is early days, I have found no records. I also wonder how
relatively poor people with several children managed the cost."

Professor Nicholas Evans is giving two talks on this exact topic at
the Latvia luncheon and as a regular session at the IAJGS Conference
in Boston this August:

The Russian American Line and Direct Jewish Emigration to New York

Between 1900 and 1924 a direct emigrant route between Libau (modern
Latvia) and America (New York) provided tens of thousands of Eastern
European Jews with a direct method of emigration >from Imperial Russia.
Though more often known as a conduit for indirect emigration the port
of Libau (modern day Liepaja) was crucial in the westward migration of
Eastern European Jews. Situated within six hours of Vilna tracing
emigrants through this route provides a fascinating understanding of
how Jews were tracked by Russian and US agencies as they migrated to
America's eastern seaboard. Utilising recently available medical
inspection reports of Federal Immigration officials this illustrated
talk demonstrates how it is possible to recreate the experiences of
these emigrants.

Jewish Refugee Travel Across the North Atlantic on the Eve of the Shoah

On the eve of the Shoah tens of thousands of Jews sought to flee to
the west through the passenger operations of transoceanic shipping
companies in Western Europe and America. This illustrated lecture
provides an insight into Jewish travel before and during Hitler's rise
to power. Utilising the archives of shipping companies it will bring
to life the process of emigration for Orthodox Jewish refugees between
1933 and 1939.

If you can't attend the conference, there are usually audio tape
recordings of these talks...

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica, CA
pweisberger@...


Warsaw directories newly searchable #warsaw #poland

Logan J. Kleinwaks
 

A Warsaw address and business directory for 1896 and telephone
directories for 1930/31, 1935/36, 1937/38, 1940, and 1942 have been
added to the search engine at http://genealogyindexer.org. Thanks to
the Mazovian Digital Library for digitizing these important sources.

Search results link to the corresponding images on the Mazovian
Digital Library's website. To view the images, you might need to
install (once) a .DjVu plugin for your web browser. I use the free
plugin >from http://www.caminova.net/en/downloads/download.aspx?id=1.

For the full list of 79 Warsaw-specific directories included in the
search engine, see http://genealogyindexer.org/directories#Warsaw.
Warsaw is also covered by many all-Poland and multinational
directories on the site. With the default options, all directories
are searched.

Logan Kleinwaks
kleinwaks@...
near Washington, D.C.


Warszawa Research Group #Warsaw #Poland Warsaw directories newly searchable #warsaw #poland

Logan J. Kleinwaks
 

A Warsaw address and business directory for 1896 and telephone
directories for 1930/31, 1935/36, 1937/38, 1940, and 1942 have been
added to the search engine at http://genealogyindexer.org. Thanks to
the Mazovian Digital Library for digitizing these important sources.

Search results link to the corresponding images on the Mazovian
Digital Library's website. To view the images, you might need to
install (once) a .DjVu plugin for your web browser. I use the free
plugin >from http://www.caminova.net/en/downloads/download.aspx?id=1.

For the full list of 79 Warsaw-specific directories included in the
search engine, see http://genealogyindexer.org/directories#Warsaw.
Warsaw is also covered by many all-Poland and multinational
directories on the site. With the default options, all directories
are searched.

Logan Kleinwaks
kleinwaks@...
near Washington, D.C.


"Roots Trips" suggestions requested #germany

Barbara Siegel
 

Dear Genners,
I am very inerested in finding English speaking "Roots" trips , either
separately or combined to 1. Germany and 2.Posen, Poland.
Any suggestions would be very much appreciated.

Barbara Siegel bsiegel@... Jeusalem/Chicago


German SIG #Germany "Roots Trips" suggestions requested #germany

Barbara Siegel
 

Dear Genners,
I am very inerested in finding English speaking "Roots" trips , either
separately or combined to 1. Germany and 2.Posen, Poland.
Any suggestions would be very much appreciated.

Barbara Siegel bsiegel@... Jeusalem/Chicago


View Mate translation request - Marriage record #germany

Lin <lin2@...>
 

Please thank those who help you and support ViewMate, GerSIG and JewishGen at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/honors.asp
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I've posted the handwritten German marriage record of my great-grandparents.
It is ViewMate Image 27070.
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=3DVM27070

There are some sections that people have had difficulty translating.
Thank you so very much for your replies via the form provided at
the ViewMate site.

Lin Herz, Palm Bay, Florida

MODERATOR NOTE: A translation of the document has already been posted to
ViewMate.


German SIG #Germany View Mate translation request - Marriage record #germany

Lin <lin2@...>
 

Please thank those who help you and support ViewMate, GerSIG and JewishGen at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/honors.asp
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I've posted the handwritten German marriage record of my great-grandparents.
It is ViewMate Image 27070.
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=3DVM27070

There are some sections that people have had difficulty translating.
Thank you so very much for your replies via the form provided at
the ViewMate site.

Lin Herz, Palm Bay, Florida

MODERATOR NOTE: A translation of the document has already been posted to
ViewMate.


Re: Gnesen, Prussia Records in Germany #germany

e l
 

Hello Mrs. Robin,

I might be able to help you with respect to the names that you listed. I
am the author of The Naturalized Jews of the Grand Duchy of Posen in 1834
and 1835, http://www.avotaynu.com/books/posen.htm That book contains
references to Ascher and Pinkus. Cohen is the western German spelling for
Cohn and Kohn, the eastern German spelling. My book lists Cohns, Kohns,
and Kahns. Some of them are >from towns that you listed.

You might wish to consult the URL below my name to see if any of my
published articles, some of which can be read free of charge, anonymously,
in full-text on line, might be useful to you. I have several articles, one
in both English and Polish, specifically on Poznan Jewish research. See
"Poznan City Genealogical and Historical Research, Emphasizing Jewish
Resources," Gen Dobry!, Vol. X, No. 6, June 2009, pp. 2-19, including
endnotes, pp. 17-19.
<http://www.polishroots.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=164mhlXT35w%3d&tabid=60&mid=377>,
pp. 2-19. It is also available in hard copy.

I wish you success in your further searches.

Sincerely,
Edward David Luft
Juris Doctor
Washington, DC
http://www.GetCited.org/mbrx/PT/99/MBR/11078005

Andrea Robin <mrsandrea@...>
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 09:31:01 -0700 (PDT) wrote:

I have no idea how I found this incredible website >from Poland to view
**actual** records free. Here is the link: http://www.basia.famula.pl/en/
I also have family >from Gnesen, Wreschen, Posen.
COHENS/PINCUS/ASCHER


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Gnesen, Prussia Records in Germany #general

e l
 

Hello Mrs. Robin,

I might be able to help you with respect to the names that you listed. I
am the author of The Naturalized Jews of the Grand Duchy of Posen in 1834
and 1835, http://www.avotaynu.com/books/posen.htm That book contains
references to Ascher and Pinkus. Cohen is the western German spelling for
Cohn and Kohn, the eastern German spelling. My book lists Cohns, Kohns,
and Kahns. Some of them are >from towns that you listed.

You might wish to consult the URL below my name to see if any of my
published articles, some of which can be read free of charge, anonymously,
in full-text on line, might be useful to you. I have several articles, one
in both English and Polish, specifically on Poznan Jewish research. See
"Poznan City Genealogical and Historical Research, Emphasizing Jewish
Resources," Gen Dobry!, Vol. X, No. 6, June 2009, pp. 2-19, including
endnotes, pp. 17-19.
<http://www.polishroots.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=164mhlXT35w%3d&tabid=60&mid=377>,
pp. 2-19. It is also available in hard copy.

I wish you success in your further searches.

Sincerely,
Edward David Luft
Juris Doctor
Washington, DC
http://www.GetCited.org/mbrx/PT/99/MBR/11078005

Andrea Robin <mrsandrea@...>
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 09:31:01 -0700 (PDT) wrote:

I have no idea how I found this incredible website >from Poland to view
**actual** records free. Here is the link: http://www.basia.famula.pl/en/
I also have family >from Gnesen, Wreschen, Posen.
COHENS/PINCUS/ASCHER

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