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Re Viewmate translation from German #general

ab.cohen@...
 

Dear All

I must apologise. I just requested a translation of a handwritten German
document but omitted to say what ir was about.

It is a copy of the entry in the Berlin Death Register for Abraham Weltzmann
in 1882. I would like translation of the handwritten sections.

The ViewMate heading says Polish but it is in German; Abraham was of course
Polish not German. It also says he was born in "Blasdike". I am guessing that
this is Bialystock but has anyone any better suggestion.

Alan Cohen


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re Viewmate translation from German #general

ab.cohen@...
 

Dear All

I must apologise. I just requested a translation of a handwritten German
document but omitted to say what ir was about.

It is a copy of the entry in the Berlin Death Register for Abraham Weltzmann
in 1882. I would like translation of the handwritten sections.

The ViewMate heading says Polish but it is in German; Abraham was of course
Polish not German. It also says he was born in "Blasdike". I am guessing that
this is Bialystock but has anyone any better suggestion.

Alan Cohen


ViewMate translation - German #general

ab.cohen@...
 

Dear All

I've posted a vital record in handritten German for which I need a translation.
It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM34714

Please respond either via the form provided in the ViewMate application or
directly to ab.cohen@tesco.net.

Thank you very much.

Alan Cohen
researching DEITSCH, KUTNOWSKY, WELTZMAN all in Poland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate translation - German #general

ab.cohen@...
 

Dear All

I've posted a vital record in handritten German for which I need a translation.
It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM34714

Please respond either via the form provided in the ViewMate application or
directly to ab.cohen@tesco.net.

Thank you very much.

Alan Cohen
researching DEITSCH, KUTNOWSKY, WELTZMAN all in Poland


Seeking WAJSENBERG AKSELROD #general

mark
 

Dear Genners.
Looking for relatives of Mrs. Perl WAJSENBERG AXELROD
lived in Canada.

Sincerely
Wajsenberg Mark
Israel

mark306@bezeqint.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking WAJSENBERG AKSELROD #general

mark
 

Dear Genners.
Looking for relatives of Mrs. Perl WAJSENBERG AXELROD
lived in Canada.

Sincerely
Wajsenberg Mark
Israel

mark306@bezeqint.net


Re: Fish suppers #general

Anita Goldhill
 

Fish in England was cheap food, chicken was more expensive now it is the other
way around.

The Sephardic Jews would eat cold fried fish as a Shabbat meal which the
Ashkenazim adopted. I do not think the Catholic tradition of eating fish on a
Friday had any thing to do with Eastern European Jews.

Polish Jews and other Jews >from Eastern and Central Europe specialised in
Gefilte Fish using slight variations on the recipe depending on where they came
from. This dish was usually made >from fresh water fish which was chopped or
minced and used to stuff the skin of a carp. Once settled in Britain they also
began to fry minced fish balls. Today we mainly use sea fish.

For some Jews fish solves the problem with Kashrut (keeping kosher) by just
having one set of cutlery & dishes and being able to have milk such as in tea
and coffee straight after a meal.

kind regards

Anita Benson
London UK

Henry Tobias wrote:

My maternal line was Lithuanian and my paternal line was Polish. Both
my parents were born in London, England. I remember as a young child
that we had fish for Friday night supper, but in later years my mother
made chicken. Does anyone else have a similar memory and does anyone
know if this was a tradition in one of these two cultures? Thanks
Alexander Sharon wrote:

This is a long standing Roman Catholic tradition of Friday Fast.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Fish suppers #general

Anita Goldhill
 

Fish in England was cheap food, chicken was more expensive now it is the other
way around.

The Sephardic Jews would eat cold fried fish as a Shabbat meal which the
Ashkenazim adopted. I do not think the Catholic tradition of eating fish on a
Friday had any thing to do with Eastern European Jews.

Polish Jews and other Jews >from Eastern and Central Europe specialised in
Gefilte Fish using slight variations on the recipe depending on where they came
from. This dish was usually made >from fresh water fish which was chopped or
minced and used to stuff the skin of a carp. Once settled in Britain they also
began to fry minced fish balls. Today we mainly use sea fish.

For some Jews fish solves the problem with Kashrut (keeping kosher) by just
having one set of cutlery & dishes and being able to have milk such as in tea
and coffee straight after a meal.

kind regards

Anita Benson
London UK

Henry Tobias wrote:

My maternal line was Lithuanian and my paternal line was Polish. Both
my parents were born in London, England. I remember as a young child
that we had fish for Friday night supper, but in later years my mother
made chicken. Does anyone else have a similar memory and does anyone
know if this was a tradition in one of these two cultures? Thanks
Alexander Sharon wrote:

This is a long standing Roman Catholic tradition of Friday Fast.


Re: Question on Dutch Genealogy #general

Evertjan. <exxjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

Paula Sharon Langer <pjblank@aol.com> wrote on 14 jul 2014 in
soc.genealogy.jewish:

I'm hoping that someone who understands Dutch Jewish genealogy can help me out.

Dutchjewry.org has a family tree called "Ashkenazi Jews of the 18th century"
which my ancestors are on. On the tree there is Barend BERMAN
COHEN-MINEKEDOM who died in 1689 (Amsterdam). His wife is Breinele (died 1687).
You are mistaken, the page says Minekedam. He was burried 29 Dec 1689, it says.

As was usual in Europe, common names like Cohen were often appended with the
name of the place they came from, but only after they left that place.
[a locative]

Minekedam seems a reasonable dialectic form og Monni[c]ke[n]dam.

The Jewish family/ies named "Monnikendam" are large, even in my tree I count
30, >from around 1850 mainly born in Amsterdam, earlier in Monnikendam and the
earliest around 1750 in Nieder-Saulheim, Germany. I am sure there are
unconnected patriarchs to be fond.

This can be found at http://dutchjewry.org/genealogy/ashkenazi/1592.htm

Dutchjewry.org has a page on the town Monnikendam (9 miles >from Amsterdam)
where there were only 9 jewish men including Barent JACOBS COHEN. (Barend,
in the tree, has a son Jacob). I'm sure these are the same person,
You cannot be absolutely sure, but say it is a reasonable assumption, to be
proven or disproven later.

but Barent is supposedly married to Maritgen JACOBS LEVI who outlives him.
Quite possible dat Maritgen had the Jewish name Breinele, like Barend/Barent
had the Jewish name Berman.

Remember that Jews had no official familynames overhere till 1811/1812 under
Napoleon, so these were either patronyms [Maritgen [bat] Jacob the Levite
and Berman [bar or ha-] Cohen] or [locative, job, colour, foreign, kinui,
etc.] "commonly known as" names. Ha-Cohen of course not being ment just as a
proper name at all, like the Ha-Levi of Maritgen's father Jaacov.

This can be found at
http://www.dutchjewry.org/drieluik/monnickendam/jewish_community_of_monni
ckendam.htm [MODERATOR NOTE: Shortened URL - http://goo.gl/eWHNnL ]

Any ideas how to reconcile the two?
See above.
-------
"MINEKEDAM"

I cannot find many with this name, some eary ones here:

Gershon Minekedam, [perhaps born around 1620 to 1650]
died Mar 1704 Amsterdam, Muiderberg cemetery: 10 Adar I 5464
<http://www.dutchjewry.org/genealogy/ashkenazi/11121.htm>

Barend Ber Salomon Shlomo Minekedam,
birth 1713 Enkhuizen??, died 24 Jan 1809 The Hague
he moved >from Enkhuizen to Monnickendam before 1800
<http://www.dutchjewry.org/genealogy/ashkenazi/13544.htm>

I cannot find any in later records, perhaps they all later wrote MONNICKENDAM,
when registering their chosen name in 1811/1812.

"VAN WEST MINEKEDAM"

A seperate famely name, methinks.

Salomon Zalman Jacob Jokeb v.West Minekedam,
birth 1739 Monnikendam, died 12 Apr 1814 Amsterdam
<http://www.dutchjewry.org/genealogy/ashkenazi/8017.htm>

"MONNICKENDAM"

<https://www.wiewaswie.nl/>, showing mainly registraions ouside Amsterdam,
Den Haag, has 434 hits on Monnickendam,

<http://digitalestamboom.nl> Den Haag, Rotterdam, around 100,

<http://stadsarchief.amsterdam.nl/archieven/archiefbank/indexen/>
for Amsterdam far over 1000, but 1939-1994 only 2.

<http://www.joodsmonument.nl/?lang=en> about 50 who were murdered in the Shoa.

Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
exjxwxhannivoortATinterxnlxnet
(Please change the x'es to dots)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Question on Dutch Genealogy #general

Evertjan. <exxjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

Paula Sharon Langer <pjblank@aol.com> wrote on 14 jul 2014 in
soc.genealogy.jewish:

I'm hoping that someone who understands Dutch Jewish genealogy can help me out.

Dutchjewry.org has a family tree called "Ashkenazi Jews of the 18th century"
which my ancestors are on. On the tree there is Barend BERMAN
COHEN-MINEKEDOM who died in 1689 (Amsterdam). His wife is Breinele (died 1687).
You are mistaken, the page says Minekedam. He was burried 29 Dec 1689, it says.

As was usual in Europe, common names like Cohen were often appended with the
name of the place they came from, but only after they left that place.
[a locative]

Minekedam seems a reasonable dialectic form og Monni[c]ke[n]dam.

The Jewish family/ies named "Monnikendam" are large, even in my tree I count
30, >from around 1850 mainly born in Amsterdam, earlier in Monnikendam and the
earliest around 1750 in Nieder-Saulheim, Germany. I am sure there are
unconnected patriarchs to be fond.

This can be found at http://dutchjewry.org/genealogy/ashkenazi/1592.htm

Dutchjewry.org has a page on the town Monnikendam (9 miles >from Amsterdam)
where there were only 9 jewish men including Barent JACOBS COHEN. (Barend,
in the tree, has a son Jacob). I'm sure these are the same person,
You cannot be absolutely sure, but say it is a reasonable assumption, to be
proven or disproven later.

but Barent is supposedly married to Maritgen JACOBS LEVI who outlives him.
Quite possible dat Maritgen had the Jewish name Breinele, like Barend/Barent
had the Jewish name Berman.

Remember that Jews had no official familynames overhere till 1811/1812 under
Napoleon, so these were either patronyms [Maritgen [bat] Jacob the Levite
and Berman [bar or ha-] Cohen] or [locative, job, colour, foreign, kinui,
etc.] "commonly known as" names. Ha-Cohen of course not being ment just as a
proper name at all, like the Ha-Levi of Maritgen's father Jaacov.

This can be found at
http://www.dutchjewry.org/drieluik/monnickendam/jewish_community_of_monni
ckendam.htm [MODERATOR NOTE: Shortened URL - http://goo.gl/eWHNnL ]

Any ideas how to reconcile the two?
See above.
-------
"MINEKEDAM"

I cannot find many with this name, some eary ones here:

Gershon Minekedam, [perhaps born around 1620 to 1650]
died Mar 1704 Amsterdam, Muiderberg cemetery: 10 Adar I 5464
<http://www.dutchjewry.org/genealogy/ashkenazi/11121.htm>

Barend Ber Salomon Shlomo Minekedam,
birth 1713 Enkhuizen??, died 24 Jan 1809 The Hague
he moved >from Enkhuizen to Monnickendam before 1800
<http://www.dutchjewry.org/genealogy/ashkenazi/13544.htm>

I cannot find any in later records, perhaps they all later wrote MONNICKENDAM,
when registering their chosen name in 1811/1812.

"VAN WEST MINEKEDAM"

A seperate famely name, methinks.

Salomon Zalman Jacob Jokeb v.West Minekedam,
birth 1739 Monnikendam, died 12 Apr 1814 Amsterdam
<http://www.dutchjewry.org/genealogy/ashkenazi/8017.htm>

"MONNICKENDAM"

<https://www.wiewaswie.nl/>, showing mainly registraions ouside Amsterdam,
Den Haag, has 434 hits on Monnickendam,

<http://digitalestamboom.nl> Den Haag, Rotterdam, around 100,

<http://stadsarchief.amsterdam.nl/archieven/archiefbank/indexen/>
for Amsterdam far over 1000, but 1939-1994 only 2.

<http://www.joodsmonument.nl/?lang=en> about 50 who were murdered in the Shoa.

Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
exjxwxhannivoortATinterxnlxnet
(Please change the x'es to dots)


Re: Fish suppers #general

Roberta Sheps
 

Further to Alexander's email about the Roman Catholic tradition of eating
fish on Fridays, it's also helpful to remember that for many years Jews
shared London's East End with members of many nationalities, including the
Irish, who also were predominantly RC. Indeed, the divine Claudia Rodin
attributes the invention of fish and chips to the combination of the Jewish
tradition of frying fish in batter and the Irish heavy consumption of potatoes.

Roberta Sheps, Colchester, England

On 13 Jul 2014, at 08:20, Henry Tobia <henrytobias2646@gmail.com> wrote:
My maternal line was Lithuanian and my paternal line was Polish. Both
my parents were born in London, England. I remember as a young child
that we had fish for Friday night supper, but in later years my mother
made chicken. Does anyone else have a similar memory and does anyone
know if this was a tradition in one of these two cultures? Thanks


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Fish suppers #general

Roberta Sheps
 

Further to Alexander's email about the Roman Catholic tradition of eating
fish on Fridays, it's also helpful to remember that for many years Jews
shared London's East End with members of many nationalities, including the
Irish, who also were predominantly RC. Indeed, the divine Claudia Rodin
attributes the invention of fish and chips to the combination of the Jewish
tradition of frying fish in batter and the Irish heavy consumption of potatoes.

Roberta Sheps, Colchester, England

On 13 Jul 2014, at 08:20, Henry Tobia <henrytobias2646@gmail.com> wrote:
My maternal line was Lithuanian and my paternal line was Polish. Both
my parents were born in London, England. I remember as a young child
that we had fish for Friday night supper, but in later years my mother
made chicken. Does anyone else have a similar memory and does anyone
know if this was a tradition in one of these two cultures? Thanks


Airline records - KLM & jewish adoptions. #general

Karen Catania
 

Does anyone out there know where to search for passenger records for 1958 as
it seems that passenger lists are only listed until 1957. I am specifically
looking for arrivals into NYC on December 4, 1958 on KLM Airlines.

Secondly, does anyone know about Jewish Families adopting >from Greece in the 50's?

Thank you all..

Karen Silver-Catania
k.silver915@gmail.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Airline records - KLM & jewish adoptions. #general

Karen Catania
 

Does anyone out there know where to search for passenger records for 1958 as
it seems that passenger lists are only listed until 1957. I am specifically
looking for arrivals into NYC on December 4, 1958 on KLM Airlines.

Secondly, does anyone know about Jewish Families adopting >from Greece in the 50's?

Thank you all..

Karen Silver-Catania
k.silver915@gmail.com


Ukraine SIG Sessions at IAJGS #ukraine

Janette Silverman
 

I am looking forward to seeing many of you at this year's Ukraine SIG
sessions in Salt Lake City. I hope that by now you have marked your
calendars for our SIG sponsored speaker, Eric Goldman's sessions at 7:30
AM and at the SIG lunch on Thursday, July 31. In between Eric's
sessions, the Conference schedule has us with two SIG sessions.
Although they are marked as a Business Meeting at 9 (Salon I) and a
Board Meeting at 10:30 (Salon III) we are combining the sessions and
will have a 15 minute break at 10:15 to allow us to move >from Salon I to
Salon III. Among other things, we will have presentations by Harvey
Kabaker (FHS film scanning project), Chuck Weinstein (Towns Director),
Phyllis Berenson (Mogilev Podolsky projects), Emily Garber (social
media) and more - please join us for any (but preferably all) of our
sessions.

Don't forget to look for Ukraine SIG at the ShareFair on Sunday, July 27
beginning at 1:30 PM

Janette
Dr. Janette Silverman
JewishGen Ukraine-SIG Coordinator
ukrainesig.coordinator@gmail.com
http://www.jewishgen.org/Ukraine/default.asp
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ukraine-SIG/180102942060505


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Ukraine SIG Sessions at IAJGS #ukraine

Janette Silverman
 

I am looking forward to seeing many of you at this year's Ukraine SIG
sessions in Salt Lake City. I hope that by now you have marked your
calendars for our SIG sponsored speaker, Eric Goldman's sessions at 7:30
AM and at the SIG lunch on Thursday, July 31. In between Eric's
sessions, the Conference schedule has us with two SIG sessions.
Although they are marked as a Business Meeting at 9 (Salon I) and a
Board Meeting at 10:30 (Salon III) we are combining the sessions and
will have a 15 minute break at 10:15 to allow us to move >from Salon I to
Salon III. Among other things, we will have presentations by Harvey
Kabaker (FHS film scanning project), Chuck Weinstein (Towns Director),
Phyllis Berenson (Mogilev Podolsky projects), Emily Garber (social
media) and more - please join us for any (but preferably all) of our
sessions.

Don't forget to look for Ukraine SIG at the ShareFair on Sunday, July 27
beginning at 1:30 PM

Janette
Dr. Janette Silverman
JewishGen Ukraine-SIG Coordinator
ukrainesig.coordinator@gmail.com
http://www.jewishgen.org/Ukraine/default.asp
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ukraine-SIG/180102942060505


New von Schlieben Maps: Przemysl, Rzeszow, Sanok, Tarnow, Bochnia, Wadowice, Nowy Sacz, Jaslo circles added to GG Map Room #ukraine

Pamela Weisberger
 

There are two new von Schlieben maps just uploaded to the Gesher
Galicia Cadastral Map Room.

These lithographed black and white maps with dashed kreis
(administrative circle) boundaries are >from an atlas of Europe
published by Goschen of Leipzig about 1828 and lithographed by Wilhelm
Ernst August von Schlieben (1781~1839). The paper maps detail all
major and many minor towns (mostly with Polish spelling), key roads,
rivers and lakes, kreis boundaries, and a scale bar in miles. Gesher
Galicia currently has four of the five maps in the series. These maps
are an excellent resource for discovering tiny villages adjacent to
larger shtetls or towns.

New additions:

The Five Galician Kreise map covers five adjacent "circles" of
Galicia, numbered here with head cities of 6: Tarnow (Tarnau, Tarnow),
including Ropczyce; 7: Bochnia, including Wojnicz and Wieliczka; 8:
Wadowice (Wladowice), including Zywiec and Oswiecim; 9: Nowy Sacz
(Sandecz), including Nowy Targ; 10: Jaslo (Jaslo), including Biecz and
Ko³aczyce.

http://maps.geshergalicia.org/galicia/galicia-kreis-1828-4/

The next new map covers three (numbered) "circles" - 4: Przemysl,
including Jaroslaw and Mosciska; 5: Rzeszow, including Lancut and
Lezajsk; 11: Sanok, including Dobromil and Rymanow.

http://maps.geshergalicia.org/galicia/galicia-kreis-1828-3/

These maps join the other von Schlieben maps already on our site:

Kreise 1, 2, 3 - 1: Lemberg (Lwow, Lviv, Lvov); 2: Zloczow
(Zolochiv), including Brody and Busk; 3: Zolkiew (Zhovkva, Zholkva),
including Belz and Rawa Ruska.

http://maps.geshergalicia.org/galicia/galicia-kreis-1828-1/

Kreise 12, 13, 17 - 12: Sambor (Sambir), including Drohobycz; 13:
Stryj (Stryi, Stry), including Kalush and Bukachivtsi; 17: Stanislawow
(Ivano-Frankivsk, Stanyslaviv, Stanislau), including Monastyryska.

http://maps.geshergalicia.org/galicia/galicia-kreis-1828-2/

Thanks to Jay Osborn for the postings and Alex Feller who researched
and acquired the maps at public auction. (We hope to complete the set
with the missing fifth one soon.)

Pamela Weisberger
President, Gesher Galicia
pweisberger@gmail.com
http://maps.geshergalicia.org
www.geshergalicia.org


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine New von Schlieben Maps: Przemysl, Rzeszow, Sanok, Tarnow, Bochnia, Wadowice, Nowy Sacz, Jaslo circles added to GG Map Room #ukraine

Pamela Weisberger
 

There are two new von Schlieben maps just uploaded to the Gesher
Galicia Cadastral Map Room.

These lithographed black and white maps with dashed kreis
(administrative circle) boundaries are >from an atlas of Europe
published by Goschen of Leipzig about 1828 and lithographed by Wilhelm
Ernst August von Schlieben (1781~1839). The paper maps detail all
major and many minor towns (mostly with Polish spelling), key roads,
rivers and lakes, kreis boundaries, and a scale bar in miles. Gesher
Galicia currently has four of the five maps in the series. These maps
are an excellent resource for discovering tiny villages adjacent to
larger shtetls or towns.

New additions:

The Five Galician Kreise map covers five adjacent "circles" of
Galicia, numbered here with head cities of 6: Tarnow (Tarnau, Tarnow),
including Ropczyce; 7: Bochnia, including Wojnicz and Wieliczka; 8:
Wadowice (Wladowice), including Zywiec and Oswiecim; 9: Nowy Sacz
(Sandecz), including Nowy Targ; 10: Jaslo (Jaslo), including Biecz and
Ko³aczyce.

http://maps.geshergalicia.org/galicia/galicia-kreis-1828-4/

The next new map covers three (numbered) "circles" - 4: Przemysl,
including Jaroslaw and Mosciska; 5: Rzeszow, including Lancut and
Lezajsk; 11: Sanok, including Dobromil and Rymanow.

http://maps.geshergalicia.org/galicia/galicia-kreis-1828-3/

These maps join the other von Schlieben maps already on our site:

Kreise 1, 2, 3 - 1: Lemberg (Lwow, Lviv, Lvov); 2: Zloczow
(Zolochiv), including Brody and Busk; 3: Zolkiew (Zhovkva, Zholkva),
including Belz and Rawa Ruska.

http://maps.geshergalicia.org/galicia/galicia-kreis-1828-1/

Kreise 12, 13, 17 - 12: Sambor (Sambir), including Drohobycz; 13:
Stryj (Stryi, Stry), including Kalush and Bukachivtsi; 17: Stanislawow
(Ivano-Frankivsk, Stanyslaviv, Stanislau), including Monastyryska.

http://maps.geshergalicia.org/galicia/galicia-kreis-1828-2/

Thanks to Jay Osborn for the postings and Alex Feller who researched
and acquired the maps at public auction. (We hope to complete the set
with the missing fifth one soon.)

Pamela Weisberger
President, Gesher Galicia
pweisberger@gmail.com
http://maps.geshergalicia.org
www.geshergalicia.org


Tarnapol, Poland (Ukraine) #ukraine

Karen Squires <karensquires49@...>
 

Has anyone researched this city and if so, are their names of people living there. >from 1830 - 1890? I'm looking for Alek and Hannah Fliegel.
Thanks.
Karen Squires

MODERATOR'S NOTE: This town is in the region covered by Gesher Galicia.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Tarnapol, Poland (Ukraine) #ukraine

Karen Squires <karensquires49@...>
 

Has anyone researched this city and if so, are their names of people living there. >from 1830 - 1890? I'm looking for Alek and Hannah Fliegel.
Thanks.
Karen Squires

MODERATOR'S NOTE: This town is in the region covered by Gesher Galicia.

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