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Disappearance of Trail in Paterson, New Jersey??? #general

Adam Cherson
 

Dear Fellow Researchers,

I am seeking advice and guidance on a curious situation.

I am following the trail of a cousin of mine's family unit. I have found the
family with children described in the 1920 US Census (parents Bernard (aka
Yehuda Ber) and Lena RUBIN with children Harry, Celia (aka Tsipe), and Frances:
http://sharing.ancestry.com/8898527?h=9af489&o_xid=61782&_lid=6178=2&o_sch=Email+-+Programs),
(MODERATOR http://tinyurl.com/zeevrwb ) the 1930 US Federal Census (parents Barnet
and Lillie RUBIN with children Harry and Frances:
http://sharing.ancestry.com/8898540?h=d0870c&o_xid=61782&o_lid=3D6178=2&o_sch=Email+-+Programs)
(MODERATOR http://tinyurl.com/jun624v ) which include such facts as the residential
addresses in Paterson, NJ, the years of immigration (which I know >from a family
source to have been >from the Vilna Guberniya), US citizenship status, and the
birth of a third child in the US, among other facts. >from the census data, the
second child, Celia (Tsipe) RUBIN is presumed to have been married between 1920
and 1930 (I know, via a living descendent, the names of the spouse (Louis
REINES) and children of Tsipe 'Celia' RUBIN). There is also a 1940 Census
entry showing only the parents (Barnet and Lena RUBIN:
http://sharing.ancestry.com/8898650?h=6f953b&o_xid=3D61782&o_lid=6178=2&o_sch=Email+-+Programs).
(MODERATOR http://tinyurl.com/jd2k4xp )
Based on the censuses I can determine that the father immigrated in 1906,
that his wife and two of the children immigrated in 1910, and that as of
1930 none of the persons listed on the censuses were US citizens (the 1940
Census does not include citizenship data). Then the trail runs dry! Despite
thorough investigations using approximate years and name variants, I have
found no immigration documents or manifests, no naturalization, no birth, no
marriage, and no burial records for any of the members of this family unit!??!

I wonder if anyone has ever run into this situation before and what I may
try to do to pick up the trail anew. Thanks for giving this inquiry your
deliberate attention.

Adam Cherson
NY, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Disappearance of Trail in Paterson, New Jersey??? #general

Adam Cherson
 

Dear Fellow Researchers,

I am seeking advice and guidance on a curious situation.

I am following the trail of a cousin of mine's family unit. I have found the
family with children described in the 1920 US Census (parents Bernard (aka
Yehuda Ber) and Lena RUBIN with children Harry, Celia (aka Tsipe), and Frances:
http://sharing.ancestry.com/8898527?h=9af489&o_xid=61782&_lid=6178=2&o_sch=Email+-+Programs),
(MODERATOR http://tinyurl.com/zeevrwb ) the 1930 US Federal Census (parents Barnet
and Lillie RUBIN with children Harry and Frances:
http://sharing.ancestry.com/8898540?h=d0870c&o_xid=61782&o_lid=3D6178=2&o_sch=Email+-+Programs)
(MODERATOR http://tinyurl.com/jun624v ) which include such facts as the residential
addresses in Paterson, NJ, the years of immigration (which I know >from a family
source to have been >from the Vilna Guberniya), US citizenship status, and the
birth of a third child in the US, among other facts. >from the census data, the
second child, Celia (Tsipe) RUBIN is presumed to have been married between 1920
and 1930 (I know, via a living descendent, the names of the spouse (Louis
REINES) and children of Tsipe 'Celia' RUBIN). There is also a 1940 Census
entry showing only the parents (Barnet and Lena RUBIN:
http://sharing.ancestry.com/8898650?h=6f953b&o_xid=3D61782&o_lid=6178=2&o_sch=Email+-+Programs).
(MODERATOR http://tinyurl.com/jd2k4xp )
Based on the censuses I can determine that the father immigrated in 1906,
that his wife and two of the children immigrated in 1910, and that as of
1930 none of the persons listed on the censuses were US citizens (the 1940
Census does not include citizenship data). Then the trail runs dry! Despite
thorough investigations using approximate years and name variants, I have
found no immigration documents or manifests, no naturalization, no birth, no
marriage, and no burial records for any of the members of this family unit!??!

I wonder if anyone has ever run into this situation before and what I may
try to do to pick up the trail anew. Thanks for giving this inquiry your
deliberate attention.

Adam Cherson
NY, NY


Re: Train travel Lodz-Vilne 1920 #general

Paul Silverstone
 

I saw a copy of Baedeker on Russia/Poland and there was information on
train travel between cities.
Paul Silverstone

eisenbak@stthom.edu wrote:

Can someone suggest a source of information about train travel between Lodz and
Vilna around 1920? I'd like to get a sense of how long the trip took (I'm
assuming it was an all-day affair) and whether that was a direct route or
involved a change of train.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Train travel Lodz-Vilne 1920 #general

Paul Silverstone
 

I saw a copy of Baedeker on Russia/Poland and there was information on
train travel between cities.
Paul Silverstone

eisenbak@stthom.edu wrote:

Can someone suggest a source of information about train travel between Lodz and
Vilna around 1920? I'd like to get a sense of how long the trip took (I'm
assuming it was an all-day affair) and whether that was a direct route or
involved a change of train.


Re: Two immigrants, same name: one real, one fake #general

Paul Silverstone
 

A distant cousin of mine came to NY using her sister's ID about 1910
because she was under age and traveling alone. A couple of years later
the sister came so it might appear she came twice.

Paul Silverstone

Adam Goodheart adamgoodh@gmail.com wrote:

Can anyone clarify the circumstances that might cause an immigrant to
travel fraudulently using someone else's name and identity?
This happened at least twice in different branches of my family -- in
both cases with young men leaving the Russian Empire.


Birth and Death Info online in New York City #general

Vivian Salama <vivsalama@...>
 

Where can I find m, b, d information online for New York for the 20th century?

Vivian SALAMA
Hillsborough, Ca


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Two immigrants, same name: one real, one fake #general

Paul Silverstone
 

A distant cousin of mine came to NY using her sister's ID about 1910
because she was under age and traveling alone. A couple of years later
the sister came so it might appear she came twice.

Paul Silverstone

Adam Goodheart adamgoodh@gmail.com wrote:

Can anyone clarify the circumstances that might cause an immigrant to
travel fraudulently using someone else's name and identity?
This happened at least twice in different branches of my family -- in
both cases with young men leaving the Russian Empire.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Birth and Death Info online in New York City #general

Vivian Salama <vivsalama@...>
 

Where can I find m, b, d information online for New York for the 20th century?

Vivian SALAMA
Hillsborough, Ca


Re: Naturalization verification notations on passenger manifests #general

Joel Weintraub
 

I just want to add some more information about this topic. In 1906
naturalization laws changed in the U.S. so that applicants had to prove
legal entry into the country. In order to do that, clerks at the
immigration ports had to go through the ship manifests searching for the
applicants arrival, and issue a "certificate of arrival", usually to a
court. Because of the possibility of fraud (the same person on the manifest
used by two different people), starting in 1926 the clerks were asked to
record on the manifest verification and certificate of arrival
numbers/information. Thus only starting in 1926 would people who applied
for naturalization would/should show this information on their manifest.

Now, I've gone through three ship manifests (1907: Bremen, Sicilia; 1908:
Grosser Kurfurst) tallying these notations. I have found that although
there are a number of notations that might resemble application numbers, it
isn't until 1933 that I first find two number entries that look like a
certificate of arrival including a date when the information was requested
(e.g. 1933). For these three ships, the most certificate of arrival dates
on their manifests is at a maximum in 1940 and 1941 where there were over 40
requests per year), correlating with record naturalization applications to
avoid the alien registration laws at the start of WW2. As a side note, I
believe the extra pressure on manifests during these years is one of the
major causes of much of the damaged manifests we see today on the scans.

Joel Weintraub
Dana Point, CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Naturalization verification notations on passenger manifests #general

Joel Weintraub
 

I just want to add some more information about this topic. In 1906
naturalization laws changed in the U.S. so that applicants had to prove
legal entry into the country. In order to do that, clerks at the
immigration ports had to go through the ship manifests searching for the
applicants arrival, and issue a "certificate of arrival", usually to a
court. Because of the possibility of fraud (the same person on the manifest
used by two different people), starting in 1926 the clerks were asked to
record on the manifest verification and certificate of arrival
numbers/information. Thus only starting in 1926 would people who applied
for naturalization would/should show this information on their manifest.

Now, I've gone through three ship manifests (1907: Bremen, Sicilia; 1908:
Grosser Kurfurst) tallying these notations. I have found that although
there are a number of notations that might resemble application numbers, it
isn't until 1933 that I first find two number entries that look like a
certificate of arrival including a date when the information was requested
(e.g. 1933). For these three ships, the most certificate of arrival dates
on their manifests is at a maximum in 1940 and 1941 where there were over 40
requests per year), correlating with record naturalization applications to
avoid the alien registration laws at the start of WW2. As a side note, I
believe the extra pressure on manifests during these years is one of the
major causes of much of the damaged manifests we see today on the scans.

Joel Weintraub
Dana Point, CA


Searching for brothers Morton, Jerry, and Ed Freedman born in Brooklyn, NY #general

M Feldman <mfeldman@...>
 

I would like to locate or find information on my father's cousins Morton, Gerald
(Jerry), and Edward (Ed) Freedman, sons of Morris and Leah Freedman (born Kundel).
The 1940 U.S. census shows them living on Taylor Street in Brooklyn, N.Y.

Marjorie Freedman Feldman
Boynton Beach, FL

Searching: FREEDMAN, FRIEDMAN, CHEMBEKOFSKY (Belaya Tserkov, Ukraine; Hartford,
CT.; Brooklyn, NY)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching for brothers Morton, Jerry, and Ed Freedman born in Brooklyn, NY #general

M Feldman <mfeldman@...>
 

I would like to locate or find information on my father's cousins Morton, Gerald
(Jerry), and Edward (Ed) Freedman, sons of Morris and Leah Freedman (born Kundel).
The 1940 U.S. census shows them living on Taylor Street in Brooklyn, N.Y.

Marjorie Freedman Feldman
Boynton Beach, FL

Searching: FREEDMAN, FRIEDMAN, CHEMBEKOFSKY (Belaya Tserkov, Ukraine; Hartford,
CT.; Brooklyn, NY)


Films #ukraine

Beverly Haas <bevhaas@...>
 

Is it possible to get a list of the films being screened in Seattle
by Eric Goldman? I can't be there and am very interested in films,
of course as well as genealogy and if I can find any of these locally
I would like to see them. Thank you..

--
---
Beverly Haas
bevhaas@gmail.com

MODERATOR'S NOTE: The entire Conference schedule, including the film list, is
found at http://s4.goeshow.com/iajgs/annual/2016/program_schedule.cfm.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Films #ukraine

Beverly Haas <bevhaas@...>
 

Is it possible to get a list of the films being screened in Seattle
by Eric Goldman? I can't be there and am very interested in films,
of course as well as genealogy and if I can find any of these locally
I would like to see them. Thank you..

--
---
Beverly Haas
bevhaas@gmail.com

MODERATOR'S NOTE: The entire Conference schedule, including the film list, is
found at http://s4.goeshow.com/iajgs/annual/2016/program_schedule.cfm.


Israel Consul General to attend film screening at IAJGS conference #germany

Janette Silverman <cochairs@...>
 

There are so many exciting things happening at this summer's conference.
We are thrilled to announce that Israel's consul general Ravit Baer
will present the August 11 screening of the acclaimed Israeli movie "The
Dove Flyer." Ms. Baer, a career diplomat in the Israeli foreign
service, served in Europe and Africa before becoming Israel's Consul
General to the Pacific Northwest.

"The Dove Flyer" will be shown as part of a Jewish film festival
that has been curated for the conference by leading Jewish film scholar
and teacher of cinema Dr. Eric Goldman. The film is based on Eli Amir's
blockbuster novel of the same name, brings to life the fragile, doomed
world of the Baghdad Jewish community in 1950.

It is one of many films in the festival of 33 motion pictures that
celebrate Sephardic Jewry, a major track of this summer's conference.
Other highlights of the Seattle conference include the opening night
keynote address by Dr. Devin Naar and the banquet address by Judy
Russell, a Certified Genealogist and Certified Genealogical Lecturer.

In addition, as at previous conferences, key lectures and presentations
will be made available through LIVE! a real-time video streaming service
after up to 90 days after the conference. It's not too late to register
for the conference or to purchase LIVE! Visit the conference website,
www.iajgs2016.org , for more information about all aspects of the
conference.

We're looking forward to seeing so many of you in Seattle August 7-12.

Janette Silverman, Chuck Weinstein, Phyllis Grossman - Conference Co-Chairs


German SIG #Germany Israel Consul General to attend film screening at IAJGS conference #germany

Janette Silverman <cochairs@...>
 

There are so many exciting things happening at this summer's conference.
We are thrilled to announce that Israel's consul general Ravit Baer
will present the August 11 screening of the acclaimed Israeli movie "The
Dove Flyer." Ms. Baer, a career diplomat in the Israeli foreign
service, served in Europe and Africa before becoming Israel's Consul
General to the Pacific Northwest.

"The Dove Flyer" will be shown as part of a Jewish film festival
that has been curated for the conference by leading Jewish film scholar
and teacher of cinema Dr. Eric Goldman. The film is based on Eli Amir's
blockbuster novel of the same name, brings to life the fragile, doomed
world of the Baghdad Jewish community in 1950.

It is one of many films in the festival of 33 motion pictures that
celebrate Sephardic Jewry, a major track of this summer's conference.
Other highlights of the Seattle conference include the opening night
keynote address by Dr. Devin Naar and the banquet address by Judy
Russell, a Certified Genealogist and Certified Genealogical Lecturer.

In addition, as at previous conferences, key lectures and presentations
will be made available through LIVE! a real-time video streaming service
after up to 90 days after the conference. It's not too late to register
for the conference or to purchase LIVE! Visit the conference website,
www.iajgs2016.org , for more information about all aspects of the
conference.

We're looking forward to seeing so many of you in Seattle August 7-12.

Janette Silverman, Chuck Weinstein, Phyllis Grossman - Conference Co-Chairs


One Couple: Two Marriages? #general

Liz Hanellin
 

Dear Genners,

I noticed an interesting discrepancy in my great-grandparents' citizenship papers.
Samuel and Ethel SHUKET raised their family in Lipovitz (Lypovets), Kiev. Samuel
immigrated to the US in December 1913 (via Bremen, Germany) with one of their sons.
Ethel, nee SPECTOR/SPEKTOR, immigrated ten years later in August 1923 (via
Cherbourg, France), with two other children, a daughter (my grandmother) and a son.
A second daughter remained behind, living in Moscow (she never came to the US).
Information about this daughter remaining in Moscow and the names of the children
are just about the only things that are consistent between Samuel's Declaration of
Intention (as SCHUCHAT)/Petition for Citizenship (as SHUCHAT) on the one hand and
Ethel's Petition for Citizenship (as SHUKET) on the other. For example, all of the
childrens' birthdates are listed differently between his and her documents
(although the years are largely consistent) and Ethel's birthdate and year also
differ between their documents. (Btw, there was a fifth child, a son who served in
the military there and was killed in about 1920; I'll be posting about him
separately at some point).

But the most interesting discrepancy to me is their wedding date and location: He
lists it as May 30, 1889, in Kiev, Russia. She lists it as July 13, 1891, in
Warsaw, Poland.

As noted above, Samuel immigrated to the US ten years before Ethel. His manifest
(as SCHOCHET) lists Lipovitz as his last place of residence; her manifest (as
SZUCHAT) lists Warsaw as her last place of residence. Does it seem reasonable to
think that either Ethel or Samuel had family in Warsaw? (The US records I have for
both of them say they were born in Kiev/Ukraine and I have no records yet >from
Ukraine or Poland.)

Could the different marriage dates and locations indicate one religious marriage
and one civil marriage? If so, was it common for two years to lapse between a
religious and civil marriage? And in different locations so far apart?

Other thoughts?

Thanks,
Liz Hanellin
New York City


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen One Couple: Two Marriages? #general

Liz Hanellin
 

Dear Genners,

I noticed an interesting discrepancy in my great-grandparents' citizenship papers.
Samuel and Ethel SHUKET raised their family in Lipovitz (Lypovets), Kiev. Samuel
immigrated to the US in December 1913 (via Bremen, Germany) with one of their sons.
Ethel, nee SPECTOR/SPEKTOR, immigrated ten years later in August 1923 (via
Cherbourg, France), with two other children, a daughter (my grandmother) and a son.
A second daughter remained behind, living in Moscow (she never came to the US).
Information about this daughter remaining in Moscow and the names of the children
are just about the only things that are consistent between Samuel's Declaration of
Intention (as SCHUCHAT)/Petition for Citizenship (as SHUCHAT) on the one hand and
Ethel's Petition for Citizenship (as SHUKET) on the other. For example, all of the
childrens' birthdates are listed differently between his and her documents
(although the years are largely consistent) and Ethel's birthdate and year also
differ between their documents. (Btw, there was a fifth child, a son who served in
the military there and was killed in about 1920; I'll be posting about him
separately at some point).

But the most interesting discrepancy to me is their wedding date and location: He
lists it as May 30, 1889, in Kiev, Russia. She lists it as July 13, 1891, in
Warsaw, Poland.

As noted above, Samuel immigrated to the US ten years before Ethel. His manifest
(as SCHOCHET) lists Lipovitz as his last place of residence; her manifest (as
SZUCHAT) lists Warsaw as her last place of residence. Does it seem reasonable to
think that either Ethel or Samuel had family in Warsaw? (The US records I have for
both of them say they were born in Kiev/Ukraine and I have no records yet >from
Ukraine or Poland.)

Could the different marriage dates and locations indicate one religious marriage
and one civil marriage? If so, was it common for two years to lapse between a
religious and civil marriage? And in different locations so far apart?

Other thoughts?

Thanks,
Liz Hanellin
New York City


Israel Consul General to attend film screening at IAJGS conference #courland #latvia

Janette Silverman <cochairs@...>
 

There are so many exciting things happening at this summer's conference.
We are thrilled to announce that Israel's consul general Ravit Baer
will present the August 11 screening of the acclaimed Israeli movie "The
Dove Flyer." Ms. Baer, a career diplomat in the Israeli foreign
service, served in Europe and Africa before becoming Israel's Consul
General to the Pacific Northwest.

"The Dove Flyer" will be shown as part of a Jewish film festival
that has been curated for the conference by leading Jewish film scholar
and teacher of cinema Dr. Eric Goldman. The film is based on Eli Amir's
blockbuster novel of the same name, brings to life the fragile, doomed
world of the Baghdad Jewish community in 1950.

It is one of many films in the festival of 33 motion pictures that
celebrate Sephardic Jewry, a major track of this summer's conference.
Other highlights of the Seattle conference include the opening night
keynote address by Dr. Devin Naar and the banquet address by Judy
Russell, a Certified Genealogist and Certified Genealogical Lecturer.

In addition, as at previous conferences, key lectures and presentations
will be made available through LIVE! a real-time video streaming service
after up to 90 days after the conference. It's not too late to register
for the conference or to purchase LIVE! Visit the conference website,
www.iajgs2016.org , for more information about all aspects of the
conference.

We're looking forward to seeing so many of you in Seattle August 7-12.

Janette Silverman, Chuck Weinstein, Phyllis Grossman
Conference Co-Chairs


Gottlieb and Hermer #southafrica

Victoria Fisch
 

Minna Gottlieb nee Hermer died in Johannesburg on 1 Oct 1951, and was
buried in West Park Cemetery.

She was born in 1879 in Grobina, Latvia, to Hirsch Hermer, and was
married to Abram Gottlieb, who died in 1941 in Latvia.

Minna and Abram had two known children, Leiser Herman (b. 1914) and
Gotthold (b. 1916). Gotthold was in a DP camp in Italy in 1945 and
immigrated to Israel in 1948.

The family story is that Minna went to South Africa (date unknown; the
last stamp on her internal Latvian passport is 1936) because she had a
daughter there, name unknown.

I am trying to ascertain what family members may have been in South
Africa, perhaps Hermer relatives. Any clues would be greatly
appreciated!

Thank you.
Victoria Fisch
Folsom, California

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