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SITE CITE: AJHG - Close to one-half of Ashkenazi Jews can be traced back to only 4 women #general

Ganot Family <o_ganot@...>
 

A new research work was published at the American Journal of Human Genetics
(AJHG):

The Matrilineal Ancestry of Ashkenazi Jewry: Portrait of a Recent Founder
Event.

Using complete sequences of the maternally inherited mitochondrial DNA
(mtDNA), the researchers show that close to one-half of Ashkenazi Jews,
estimated at 8 million people, can be traced back to only 4 women carrying
distinct mtDNAs that are virtually absent in other populations, with the
important exception of low frequencies among non-Ashkenazi Jews. They
conclude that four founding mtDNAs, likely of Near Eastern ancestry,
underwent major expansion(s) in Europe within the past millennium.

Link to the AJHG publication:
http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/AJHG/journal/

Direct link to Abstract:
http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/AJHG/journal/issues/v78n3/43026/brief/43026
.abstract.html

Unfortunately the full text is limited to subscribers only.

Ilan Ganot


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen SITE CITE: AJHG - Close to one-half of Ashkenazi Jews can be traced back to only 4 women #general

Ganot Family <o_ganot@...>
 

A new research work was published at the American Journal of Human Genetics
(AJHG):

The Matrilineal Ancestry of Ashkenazi Jewry: Portrait of a Recent Founder
Event.

Using complete sequences of the maternally inherited mitochondrial DNA
(mtDNA), the researchers show that close to one-half of Ashkenazi Jews,
estimated at 8 million people, can be traced back to only 4 women carrying
distinct mtDNAs that are virtually absent in other populations, with the
important exception of low frequencies among non-Ashkenazi Jews. They
conclude that four founding mtDNAs, likely of Near Eastern ancestry,
underwent major expansion(s) in Europe within the past millennium.

Link to the AJHG publication:
http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/AJHG/journal/

Direct link to Abstract:
http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/AJHG/journal/issues/v78n3/43026/brief/43026
.abstract.html

Unfortunately the full text is limited to subscribers only.

Ilan Ganot


Re: Isaac=Jonas=Julian ? #general

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

To my best knowledge, Jonas originated >from the Biblical name JONAH,
the biblical character swallowed by the whale. Much later the name
JONAS shows in the New Testament, deriving >from the Greek IONAS.
I never saw this name associated with Egyptian roots, but is so,
I would very much like to know how.

Regards
Tom

-------- At 12:34 -0200 13.01.2006, Stan Goodman wrote:
Subject: Re: Isaac=Jonas=Julian ?
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:17:58 +0000 (UTC)

The first of the three is Hebrew; the third is Latin; the second, although
usually given a Hebrew explanation, is actually Egyptian. There is no
connection between any two of them, to the best of my knowledge.
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Isaac=Jonas=Julian ? #general

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

To my best knowledge, Jonas originated >from the Biblical name JONAH,
the biblical character swallowed by the whale. Much later the name
JONAS shows in the New Testament, deriving >from the Greek IONAS.
I never saw this name associated with Egyptian roots, but is so,
I would very much like to know how.

Regards
Tom

-------- At 12:34 -0200 13.01.2006, Stan Goodman wrote:
Subject: Re: Isaac=Jonas=Julian ?
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:17:58 +0000 (UTC)

The first of the three is Hebrew; the third is Latin; the second, although
usually given a Hebrew explanation, is actually Egyptian. There is no
connection between any two of them, to the best of my knowledge.
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


The HELD Family - Hungary #general

marcel@...
 

Dear Genners,
I am trying to assist an acquaintance, who tries to locate family and/or
find about the fate of some of his relatives.

His name is Mark HELD, and he is of Hungarian origin. He searching
facts about his father Joseph HELD, who was born in Manor, (District
of Pest-Hungary) in 1909 and married to Syma RAPLA
GELBURT, in Paris(France) in 1932.

He is also seeking information about the fate of his grandfather Isaac
HELD, who was a cloth merchant in the city of Drohobrk-Galicia.

Any information or hint about the HELD fanmily, will be welcome and i do
thank all genners in anticipation of their assistance

Regards

MARCEL M. YOEL - >from ATHENS-GREECE


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen The HELD Family - Hungary #general

marcel@...
 

Dear Genners,
I am trying to assist an acquaintance, who tries to locate family and/or
find about the fate of some of his relatives.

His name is Mark HELD, and he is of Hungarian origin. He searching
facts about his father Joseph HELD, who was born in Manor, (District
of Pest-Hungary) in 1909 and married to Syma RAPLA
GELBURT, in Paris(France) in 1932.

He is also seeking information about the fate of his grandfather Isaac
HELD, who was a cloth merchant in the city of Drohobrk-Galicia.

Any information or hint about the HELD fanmily, will be welcome and i do
thank all genners in anticipation of their assistance

Regards

MARCEL M. YOEL - >from ATHENS-GREECE


INTRO-researching LEMMEL from Hesse Darmstadt-MAYER from Frankfurt au Main #germany

Ramayrassoc@...
 

Hello Gersig
I joined the group a while ago and have been doing genealogy research for
about 2 years. I consider myself an almost intermediate in doing German Jewish
Genealogy research. I live in suburban Chicago, Illinois in the United States.
My native language is English and do not know any other. I consider myself
a beginner in using a computer. My experience in using the Internet is
Intermediate.

I am looking for information about my great-grandparents Aaron and
Rosa (Rosinna) LEMMEL and their parents. Aaron ad Rosa were born prox.1823-23
in Pausheim Hesse Darmstadt both died in Chicago, Illinois in the U S in 1869 and
1892.
I'm looking for information about my other great-grandparents who less about who
were living in Frankfurt au Main in 1878 when my grandfather Joseph Mayer
emigrated to Chicago.

Richard A Mayer ramayrassoc@aol.com Highland Park, Illinois USA


German SIG #Germany INTRO-researching LEMMEL from Hesse Darmstadt-MAYER from Frankfurt au Main #germany

Ramayrassoc@...
 

Hello Gersig
I joined the group a while ago and have been doing genealogy research for
about 2 years. I consider myself an almost intermediate in doing German Jewish
Genealogy research. I live in suburban Chicago, Illinois in the United States.
My native language is English and do not know any other. I consider myself
a beginner in using a computer. My experience in using the Internet is
Intermediate.

I am looking for information about my great-grandparents Aaron and
Rosa (Rosinna) LEMMEL and their parents. Aaron ad Rosa were born prox.1823-23
in Pausheim Hesse Darmstadt both died in Chicago, Illinois in the U S in 1869 and
1892.
I'm looking for information about my other great-grandparents who less about who
were living in Frankfurt au Main in 1878 when my grandfather Joseph Mayer
emigrated to Chicago.

Richard A Mayer ramayrassoc@aol.com Highland Park, Illinois USA


Lichtenstern, Ostrava-Vienna-Haifa #austria-czech

meretz
 

Jurgen Schwiening asked: Is anybody researching Victor LICHTENSTERN >from
Mahrisch-Ostrau and Vienna or the Loew family >from Buchlovice? I have been
in touch with Jurgen and received a
bit more information. It is the London-based niece of Victor who is
searching for her family.

It is because of my connection with the Moravian town Mahrisch Ostrau /
Moravska Ostrava (now Ostrava), I was interested in the LICHTENSTERN family.
In order to solve this puzzle, Celia Male (UK) and I have combined forces
and found relevant information relating to the missing branch of the
LICHTENSTERN family.

Viennese Jews were forced to submit asset declarations in 1938. The files
are stored in the Austrian Staatsarchiv [Nottendorfergasse] and include many
personal details. Copies of these can be retrieved. Among them there are
declarations of the following:
Lichtenstern, Richard, born 16.08.1875;
Lichtenstern, Victor, born 05.10.1873.

The Vienna Meldearchiv [Dept MA8 of the Wiener Stadt und Landesarchiv] had
the following information:
Dr. Richard LICHTENSTERN, born 16.8.1875 in Mahrisch-Ostrau, Jewish,
married, Factory Director, lived 2.9.1919 - 1.11.1938 at 7,
Schottenfeldgasse 37/6, together with his wife Emma, 30 thirty years old and
the children Franz-Gustav, 8 years old and Hertha, 5 years old.
Departed: Palestine.

Franz-Gustav LICHTENSTERN, born 20.8.1911 in Mahrisch-Ostrau, single,
Jewish, university student, lived 26.4.1939 - 23.5.1939 at 18, Hofstattgasse
25/8, before then Concentration Camp Weimar-Buchenwald. Previous address in
Vienna: 7, Schottenfeldgasse 37.
Departed for: "Haifa, Palestine, Hillel st. 43."

Hertha LICHTENSTERN, born 24.4.1914 in Mahrisch-Ostrau, Jewish, single,
student, lived 4.7.1933 - 10.9.1938 at 7, Schottenfeldgasse 37/1/1/7.
Departed for: "Laibach [Ljubliana] Yugoslavia."

The Haifa cemetery shows us the following burials:
Lichtenstern Richard Yitzchak (father Gershon), died 12.12.1953 and
Emma (father Karl), died 16.6.1969 - buried next to each other.
Lichtenstern Franz, (father Yitzchak), died 30.6.1991 and
Tessi, father Otto, died 28.7.1994 - buried next to each other.

Franz & Tessi Lichtenstern's address was - Vitkin 1, Haifa, 4-8254825.

It is clear that Dr. Richard Lichtenstern and his wife Emmi , as well as
their son Franz-Gustav Lichtenstern and his wife Tessi. emigrated to Israel
(Palestine) and survived. They lived and died in Haifa. We have no
information as to possible descendants of Franz and Tessi. They could
have "Hebraisised" their surnames, or perhaps they had only daughters,
who married.

Regretfully, there is no information concerning the fate of Hertha
Lichtenstern, who fled to Yugoslavia.

The father of Richard is Gershon and Ricahrd's son is "Gustav" - this name
was often used in Vienna instead of the Hebrew "Gershon".

Uri Meretz, Ramat-Hasharon, Israel


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Lichtenstern, Ostrava-Vienna-Haifa #austria-czech

meretz
 

Jurgen Schwiening asked: Is anybody researching Victor LICHTENSTERN >from
Mahrisch-Ostrau and Vienna or the Loew family >from Buchlovice? I have been
in touch with Jurgen and received a
bit more information. It is the London-based niece of Victor who is
searching for her family.

It is because of my connection with the Moravian town Mahrisch Ostrau /
Moravska Ostrava (now Ostrava), I was interested in the LICHTENSTERN family.
In order to solve this puzzle, Celia Male (UK) and I have combined forces
and found relevant information relating to the missing branch of the
LICHTENSTERN family.

Viennese Jews were forced to submit asset declarations in 1938. The files
are stored in the Austrian Staatsarchiv [Nottendorfergasse] and include many
personal details. Copies of these can be retrieved. Among them there are
declarations of the following:
Lichtenstern, Richard, born 16.08.1875;
Lichtenstern, Victor, born 05.10.1873.

The Vienna Meldearchiv [Dept MA8 of the Wiener Stadt und Landesarchiv] had
the following information:
Dr. Richard LICHTENSTERN, born 16.8.1875 in Mahrisch-Ostrau, Jewish,
married, Factory Director, lived 2.9.1919 - 1.11.1938 at 7,
Schottenfeldgasse 37/6, together with his wife Emma, 30 thirty years old and
the children Franz-Gustav, 8 years old and Hertha, 5 years old.
Departed: Palestine.

Franz-Gustav LICHTENSTERN, born 20.8.1911 in Mahrisch-Ostrau, single,
Jewish, university student, lived 26.4.1939 - 23.5.1939 at 18, Hofstattgasse
25/8, before then Concentration Camp Weimar-Buchenwald. Previous address in
Vienna: 7, Schottenfeldgasse 37.
Departed for: "Haifa, Palestine, Hillel st. 43."

Hertha LICHTENSTERN, born 24.4.1914 in Mahrisch-Ostrau, Jewish, single,
student, lived 4.7.1933 - 10.9.1938 at 7, Schottenfeldgasse 37/1/1/7.
Departed for: "Laibach [Ljubliana] Yugoslavia."

The Haifa cemetery shows us the following burials:
Lichtenstern Richard Yitzchak (father Gershon), died 12.12.1953 and
Emma (father Karl), died 16.6.1969 - buried next to each other.
Lichtenstern Franz, (father Yitzchak), died 30.6.1991 and
Tessi, father Otto, died 28.7.1994 - buried next to each other.

Franz & Tessi Lichtenstern's address was - Vitkin 1, Haifa, 4-8254825.

It is clear that Dr. Richard Lichtenstern and his wife Emmi , as well as
their son Franz-Gustav Lichtenstern and his wife Tessi. emigrated to Israel
(Palestine) and survived. They lived and died in Haifa. We have no
information as to possible descendants of Franz and Tessi. They could
have "Hebraisised" their surnames, or perhaps they had only daughters,
who married.

Regretfully, there is no information concerning the fate of Hertha
Lichtenstern, who fled to Yugoslavia.

The father of Richard is Gershon and Ricahrd's son is "Gustav" - this name
was often used in Vienna instead of the Hebrew "Gershon".

Uri Meretz, Ramat-Hasharon, Israel


Warsaw-Antwerp train travel in 1910-1915 #general

krippens <krippens@...>
 

Can anyone tell me how long it would have taken to travel by train >from
Warsaw to Antwerp in the 1910-1915 timeframe? Are there route tables
(translated into English) that would show what connections were needed
between these two points?

I am also interested to learn what the travel experience would have been
like. Would there have been stopovers? How would food, bathing, and
other personal needs have been handled? What about safety concerns for
women traveling alone? and anything else anyone can tell me would be
most appreciated.

Thank you very much
Karen Jo Rippens

Handler/Gendler and Chankis - Matsiev, Volhnyia, Ukraine (now Lukov,
Ukraine) Zerobnick/Rubin and Muud - Ostrova Lubelski, Poland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Warsaw-Antwerp train travel in 1910-1915 #general

krippens <krippens@...>
 

Can anyone tell me how long it would have taken to travel by train >from
Warsaw to Antwerp in the 1910-1915 timeframe? Are there route tables
(translated into English) that would show what connections were needed
between these two points?

I am also interested to learn what the travel experience would have been
like. Would there have been stopovers? How would food, bathing, and
other personal needs have been handled? What about safety concerns for
women traveling alone? and anything else anyone can tell me would be
most appreciated.

Thank you very much
Karen Jo Rippens

Handler/Gendler and Chankis - Matsiev, Volhnyia, Ukraine (now Lukov,
Ukraine) Zerobnick/Rubin and Muud - Ostrova Lubelski, Poland


interesting article re: DNA study & Ashkenazim #general

philafrum
 

Genners,

I came across an interesting article which contends that 40% of the current
Ashkenazi population are descended >from just four women!

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3199788,00.html

Evan Fishman
Cherry Hill, NJ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen interesting article re: DNA study & Ashkenazim #general

philafrum
 

Genners,

I came across an interesting article which contends that 40% of the current
Ashkenazi population are descended >from just four women!

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3199788,00.html

Evan Fishman
Cherry Hill, NJ


Re: Isaac=Jonas=Julian? #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Like Tom Venetianer [Sao Paulo] I was rather amazed at
Stan Goodman's pronouncement that "{Jonas} although
usually given a Hebrew explanation, is actually
Egyptian."

Tom wrote: "I never saw this name associated with
Egyptian roots, but if this is so, I would very much
like to know how."

Well I would too - I presume Stan means ancient
Egyptian [ie based on hieroglyphic texts?] or perhaps
Coptic or aramaic?
Obviously, Arabic is too late an introduction into the
region to be considered. I will consult my Coptic
friends, just incase.

I belong to an extensive, communicative, Alexandrian
diaspora -although, like Jonas, I have no Egyptian
roots - and as soon as Stan's posting appeared the
emails were flying around the world. We have found no
Egyptian roots, as yet, but are still looking.

My childhood friend Edna consulted her cousin, the
distinguished Professor Marcel Erdal [who is not from
Alexandria] and with his permission I quote:

Yona(h) means 'dove' in Hebrew and there are lots of
animal and bird names in languages. There is of course
the prophet Yona (who was swallowed by a fish), the -s
comes >from Greek inflection (nominative suffix),
Christians having got the New as well as the Old
Testament in Greek, giving Yonas / Jonas. Arabic
Younis is this same name, but Greek Yanni isn't:
Yanni, Greek Yannis in the nominative case, is from
Yohannes, John, which comes >from Hebrew Yohanan, which
means 'God (yo-) has forgiven (= hanan)(him)'....."

So, please, all those ancient Egyptian scholars and
Coptic experts in our midst - enlighten us, if you
can. We may all yet be surprised! That is why we have
a discussion group - to learn.

Celia Male [U.K.]


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Isaac=Jonas=Julian? #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Like Tom Venetianer [Sao Paulo] I was rather amazed at
Stan Goodman's pronouncement that "{Jonas} although
usually given a Hebrew explanation, is actually
Egyptian."

Tom wrote: "I never saw this name associated with
Egyptian roots, but if this is so, I would very much
like to know how."

Well I would too - I presume Stan means ancient
Egyptian [ie based on hieroglyphic texts?] or perhaps
Coptic or aramaic?
Obviously, Arabic is too late an introduction into the
region to be considered. I will consult my Coptic
friends, just incase.

I belong to an extensive, communicative, Alexandrian
diaspora -although, like Jonas, I have no Egyptian
roots - and as soon as Stan's posting appeared the
emails were flying around the world. We have found no
Egyptian roots, as yet, but are still looking.

My childhood friend Edna consulted her cousin, the
distinguished Professor Marcel Erdal [who is not from
Alexandria] and with his permission I quote:

Yona(h) means 'dove' in Hebrew and there are lots of
animal and bird names in languages. There is of course
the prophet Yona (who was swallowed by a fish), the -s
comes >from Greek inflection (nominative suffix),
Christians having got the New as well as the Old
Testament in Greek, giving Yonas / Jonas. Arabic
Younis is this same name, but Greek Yanni isn't:
Yanni, Greek Yannis in the nominative case, is from
Yohannes, John, which comes >from Hebrew Yohanan, which
means 'God (yo-) has forgiven (= hanan)(him)'....."

So, please, all those ancient Egyptian scholars and
Coptic experts in our midst - enlighten us, if you
can. We may all yet be surprised! That is why we have
a discussion group - to learn.

Celia Male [U.K.]


Re: Isaac=Jonas=Julian ? #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:49:15 UTC, tom.vene@uol.com.br (Tom Venetianer)
opined:

To my best knowledge, Jonas originated >from the Biblical name JONAH,
the biblical character swallowed by the whale. Much later the name
JONAS shows in the New Testament, deriving >from the Greek IONAS.
I never saw this name associated with Egyptian roots, but is so,
I would very much like to know how.

Regards
Tom
The birthname of the last Egyptian king of the fifth dynasty (24th
century BCE) is usually written "Unas" in English. What I saw in his
cartouche as written on the walls in his tomb at Saqqara is "Yunas". I
do not know why the initial consonant is regularly omitted in English,
but I assure you that it is there in the cartouche.

It is true that anyone named Jona is justified in connecting his name
with the tale of the man in the fish (read the story, it is not a
whale). But there isn't any warrant for thinking that the name was
minted new for that character. In fact, there are several "Hebrew"
names that are actually of Egyption origin. "Moshe" is one: In Hebrew
it would mean "he draws" (>from the water), rather than "he is drawn",
which doesn't match the account in Breshit, and which suggests that
the derivation in the story is a backformation, folk etymology. In
fact, it means "born", and is a common element in Egyptian theophoric
names, beginning with "Ra-", "Ptah-", "Ah-", and names of other
deities. That last one gives us "Amos". Preserved Egyptian literature
is filled with characters bearing the nickname "Mose" or "Messe" (two
syllables in each case).

It may be interesting that the Arabic forms of "Mussa" and "Younis"
are closer to the Egyptian originals that are the Hebrew names.

"Miryam"/"Maryam" is another name of Egyptian origin. The first
element means "Beloved". I do not know what the last, probably
corrupted, element is. But there is an error in gender: for a feminine
name, there should be a "T" after the "Y".

None of this should be surprising. There was a time when Egypt was THE
superpower and THE metropolis dominating the Middle East. People
often give their children names that give them the "prestige" of
connection with the metropolis: I know a man born here in Israel,
named "Robert".

"Yona", meaning "dove" would be in any case a strange name to saddle
an infant boy with. It recalls a song that Johnny Cash used to sing,
about "A Boy Named Sue". For that matter, the folk derivation of
"Miryam"/"Maryam" >from "bitter" is not one that would attract the
average parent to use the name on a defenseless babe, though it
happens to fit well with Christian theology.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the
URL is: http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address
is not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the
URL above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email
form there.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Isaac=Jonas=Julian ? #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:49:15 UTC, tom.vene@uol.com.br (Tom Venetianer)
opined:

To my best knowledge, Jonas originated >from the Biblical name JONAH,
the biblical character swallowed by the whale. Much later the name
JONAS shows in the New Testament, deriving >from the Greek IONAS.
I never saw this name associated with Egyptian roots, but is so,
I would very much like to know how.

Regards
Tom
The birthname of the last Egyptian king of the fifth dynasty (24th
century BCE) is usually written "Unas" in English. What I saw in his
cartouche as written on the walls in his tomb at Saqqara is "Yunas". I
do not know why the initial consonant is regularly omitted in English,
but I assure you that it is there in the cartouche.

It is true that anyone named Jona is justified in connecting his name
with the tale of the man in the fish (read the story, it is not a
whale). But there isn't any warrant for thinking that the name was
minted new for that character. In fact, there are several "Hebrew"
names that are actually of Egyption origin. "Moshe" is one: In Hebrew
it would mean "he draws" (>from the water), rather than "he is drawn",
which doesn't match the account in Breshit, and which suggests that
the derivation in the story is a backformation, folk etymology. In
fact, it means "born", and is a common element in Egyptian theophoric
names, beginning with "Ra-", "Ptah-", "Ah-", and names of other
deities. That last one gives us "Amos". Preserved Egyptian literature
is filled with characters bearing the nickname "Mose" or "Messe" (two
syllables in each case).

It may be interesting that the Arabic forms of "Mussa" and "Younis"
are closer to the Egyptian originals that are the Hebrew names.

"Miryam"/"Maryam" is another name of Egyptian origin. The first
element means "Beloved". I do not know what the last, probably
corrupted, element is. But there is an error in gender: for a feminine
name, there should be a "T" after the "Y".

None of this should be surprising. There was a time when Egypt was THE
superpower and THE metropolis dominating the Middle East. People
often give their children names that give them the "prestige" of
connection with the metropolis: I know a man born here in Israel,
named "Robert".

"Yona", meaning "dove" would be in any case a strange name to saddle
an infant boy with. It recalls a song that Johnny Cash used to sing,
about "A Boy Named Sue". For that matter, the folk derivation of
"Miryam"/"Maryam" >from "bitter" is not one that would attract the
average parent to use the name on a defenseless babe, though it
happens to fit well with Christian theology.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the
URL is: http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address
is not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the
URL above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email
form there.


Photos in Warshaw #warsaw #poland

bodkier <bodkier@...>
 

I am looking for pictures of MILA 5 and OGRODOWA 59 , where my family
BODKIER worked -chocolate factory Jacor and Ursus and was living in.
Thanks for your answer

Please answer privately: bodkier@vedici.com


Dr Michel BODKIER

Bordeaux-FRANCE


Warszawa Research Group #Warsaw #Poland Photos in Warshaw #warsaw #poland

bodkier <bodkier@...>
 

I am looking for pictures of MILA 5 and OGRODOWA 59 , where my family
BODKIER worked -chocolate factory Jacor and Ursus and was living in.
Thanks for your answer

Please answer privately: bodkier@vedici.com


Dr Michel BODKIER

Bordeaux-FRANCE