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Re: Why two different manifests for same people, ship? #general

A. E. Jordan
 

bethdowning@... writes:
Finally and perhaps most importantly, in Manifest #2, a line has been
drawn through my family members' names and information.


When people are crossed out it usually means they missed the ship. No
idea why there are two lists. I would check them carefully to see if
they are the same ship, sailing date, year. etc.

If everything is in fact the same no idea why they made two lists other
than some fort of a clerical error or ones for different ports of departure
or arrival.

Usually find the first list with the names crossed off and then you find
the people sailing days or weeks later on a second ship. In those cases
their papers were no in order, someone was sick and needed to recover or the
ship line simply held them back for some reason. Remember the ship line was
responsible to return a person to their port of embarkation at the shipping
line's cost if the USA refused them. So the shipping lines wanted to make
sure everyone who came aboard would get off at the other end and be
admitted.

Allan Jordan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Why two different manifests for same people, ship? #general

A. E. Jordan
 

bethdowning@... writes:
Finally and perhaps most importantly, in Manifest #2, a line has been
drawn through my family members' names and information.


When people are crossed out it usually means they missed the ship. No
idea why there are two lists. I would check them carefully to see if
they are the same ship, sailing date, year. etc.

If everything is in fact the same no idea why they made two lists other
than some fort of a clerical error or ones for different ports of departure
or arrival.

Usually find the first list with the names crossed off and then you find
the people sailing days or weeks later on a second ship. In those cases
their papers were no in order, someone was sick and needed to recover or the
ship line simply held them back for some reason. Remember the ship line was
responsible to return a person to their port of embarkation at the shipping
line's cost if the USA refused them. So the shipping lines wanted to make
sure everyone who came aboard would get off at the other end and be
admitted.

Allan Jordan


Duplicate US WWI Draft Cards - FUTTERMAN #general

Jackye Sullins <jsullins@...>
 

On a visit to the FHL in Salt Lake a few years ago, I photocopied two draft
cards >from Detroit onto a flash drive. The resolution wasn't good so I
decided to get a better copy on Ancestry. I was very surprised to see that
Ancestry has the same exact information but the handwriting is different!
It seems that mine is marked 'Duplicate' but not Ancestry's. The worrisome
part for me is that one original has the man's deceased wife listed, crossed
out and his sister's name inserted BUT the duplicate only has the sister's
name.

Has anyone had this experience before? I didn't know there were duplicate
versions out there. I'm also wondering what other information might have
been left off of these duplicate versions.

Jackye Sullins
Carlsbad, CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Duplicate US WWI Draft Cards - FUTTERMAN #general

Jackye Sullins <jsullins@...>
 

On a visit to the FHL in Salt Lake a few years ago, I photocopied two draft
cards >from Detroit onto a flash drive. The resolution wasn't good so I
decided to get a better copy on Ancestry. I was very surprised to see that
Ancestry has the same exact information but the handwriting is different!
It seems that mine is marked 'Duplicate' but not Ancestry's. The worrisome
part for me is that one original has the man's deceased wife listed, crossed
out and his sister's name inserted BUT the duplicate only has the sister's
name.

Has anyone had this experience before? I didn't know there were duplicate
versions out there. I'm also wondering what other information might have
been left off of these duplicate versions.

Jackye Sullins
Carlsbad, CA


Osher KESSELMAN & Yetta SCHWARTZ #ukraine

Jackye Sullins <jsullins@...>
 

I am trying to establish HOW these people are related to me and I hope
someone has this couple and their daughter in their tree. I believe that
the link happened in that generation through Osher KESSELMAN.

I know that Hinda/Anna/Hannah KESSELMAN was born probably in Ovruch, Ukraine
in about 1860 to the above parents. She married Jacob FUTTERMAN, they had
Moisey, Oscar, Abraham, Bessie, Morris & Elie-Leib. The family emigrate to
the U.S. in the 1920s and settled in Detroit, Chicago, NY, and eventually
L.A. Since their son, Oscar was born in 1878, It's possible that Osher died
some time close to that.

Please let me know if any of this sounds familiar or if you have any
suggestion on where to research that far back.

Jackye Sullins
Carlsbad, CA


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Osher KESSELMAN & Yetta SCHWARTZ #ukraine

Jackye Sullins <jsullins@...>
 

I am trying to establish HOW these people are related to me and I hope
someone has this couple and their daughter in their tree. I believe that
the link happened in that generation through Osher KESSELMAN.

I know that Hinda/Anna/Hannah KESSELMAN was born probably in Ovruch, Ukraine
in about 1860 to the above parents. She married Jacob FUTTERMAN, they had
Moisey, Oscar, Abraham, Bessie, Morris & Elie-Leib. The family emigrate to
the U.S. in the 1920s and settled in Detroit, Chicago, NY, and eventually
L.A. Since their son, Oscar was born in 1878, It's possible that Osher died
some time close to that.

Please let me know if any of this sounds familiar or if you have any
suggestion on where to research that far back.

Jackye Sullins
Carlsbad, CA


KIEV researcher needed #ukraine

Jeffrey Levy <jeffrey@...>
 

Can anyone recommend reliable researchers in the KIEV area for my JAFFE and WILKOVSKY families pre-1890s?  I don't know which part of KIEV.  Their documents all only said RUSSIA. 

Thanks for any help.

Jeffrey Levy
Brooklyn, NY

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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine KIEV researcher needed #ukraine

Jeffrey Levy <jeffrey@...>
 

Can anyone recommend reliable researchers in the KIEV area for my JAFFE and WILKOVSKY families pre-1890s?  I don't know which part of KIEV.  Their documents all only said RUSSIA. 

Thanks for any help.

Jeffrey Levy
Brooklyn, NY

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Help/advice needed with accessing Australian records #general

Richard Stone <richardstone201@...>
 

Dear Genners Down Under

Can anyone help me to access Australian arrival and departure records >from the
1920s?

My grandmother's cousin Davis BRADMAN, an accountant/book keeper born 1900,
travelled >from London to Sydney on 14 October 1926 on P&O ship SS Beltana
(record on Ancestry.com) and he returned >from Brisbane to London (Tilbury)
as Mr D BRADMAN arriving on 7 November 1929 on SS Osterley of the Orient
Steam Navigation company (record on Ancestry.com).

I would like to know where Davis/David BRADMAN lived/stayed in Australia as
I believe he may have been visiting relatives. I wonder if the corresponding
arrival and departure records for these voyages would record his destination
address on arrival, and his last known address on departure and/or any
other clues as to his nearest relative or friend in Australia?

Assuming these records are not available online, could anyone advise
me where the original documents would be located and how best to access them?
Also whether there are any other ways of tracing him (such as a Census)
while he was living in Australia.

Many thanks

Richard Stone
London, UK


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Help/advice needed with accessing Australian records #general

Richard Stone <richardstone201@...>
 

Dear Genners Down Under

Can anyone help me to access Australian arrival and departure records >from the
1920s?

My grandmother's cousin Davis BRADMAN, an accountant/book keeper born 1900,
travelled >from London to Sydney on 14 October 1926 on P&O ship SS Beltana
(record on Ancestry.com) and he returned >from Brisbane to London (Tilbury)
as Mr D BRADMAN arriving on 7 November 1929 on SS Osterley of the Orient
Steam Navigation company (record on Ancestry.com).

I would like to know where Davis/David BRADMAN lived/stayed in Australia as
I believe he may have been visiting relatives. I wonder if the corresponding
arrival and departure records for these voyages would record his destination
address on arrival, and his last known address on departure and/or any
other clues as to his nearest relative or friend in Australia?

Assuming these records are not available online, could anyone advise
me where the original documents would be located and how best to access them?
Also whether there are any other ways of tracing him (such as a Census)
while he was living in Australia.

Many thanks

Richard Stone
London, UK


For South Florida visitors #general

Bernard Kouchel <koosh@...>
 

I highly recommend these sites for JGenners visiting South Florida.

== The Miami Beach Holocaust Memorial is a world famous sculpture
garden memorial.
http://www.holocaustmmb.org/

== Jewish Museum of Florida, Miami Beach, documenting the Florida
Jewish experience since 1763.
http://www.jewishmuseum.com/

--
HAVEANICEDAY
Bernard I. Kouchel
koosh@...
JGSBC, FtL FL


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen For South Florida visitors #general

Bernard Kouchel <koosh@...>
 

I highly recommend these sites for JGenners visiting South Florida.

== The Miami Beach Holocaust Memorial is a world famous sculpture
garden memorial.
http://www.holocaustmmb.org/

== Jewish Museum of Florida, Miami Beach, documenting the Florida
Jewish experience since 1763.
http://www.jewishmuseum.com/

--
HAVEANICEDAY
Bernard I. Kouchel
koosh@...
JGSBC, FtL FL


A Final Thank You to JOWBR and HDB Volunteers and Donors #warsaw #poland

Nolan Altman
 

I'd like to personally thank all the donors and volunteers who
I've worked with over the past dozen years or so. Without your
contributions of material, time and expertise, JewishGen's
databases would not be the valuable asset they have become. It
has been a real honor to build searchable databases for the
greater genealogical community and especially to create permanent
records for the disappearing remnants of Jewish life in many of
your ancestral communities. The satisfaction I receive >from
talking/emailing with donors and researchers who find material on
their family has been keeping me going for the last few years.

However, the demands on my time to administer JOWBR and the
Holocaust Database for JewishGen in the current operating
environment have become too great for me to handle effectively.
Therefore, it is with great regret that I have tendered my
resignation as JewishGen's VP for Data Acquisition. I'm sure that
JewishGen will continue to grow their databases and I encourage
you to continue to submit data and photos and volunteer for data
entry, translating and other technical assignments.

As you know, it's a small community and I'm sure our paths will
cross. I hope to see many of you in Boston or other upcoming
conferences!

Nolan Altman


JewishGen Education February Classes #warsaw #poland

bounce-2547915-772981@...
 

JewishGen Education February Classes Open for Enrollment

1. Creating KehilaLinks Web Pages starts Feb 1. $36. - Mark
Heckman
2. Exploring JewishGen starts Feb 1. $18. This two week Course
is an introduction to navigating JewishGen and the hidden resources
on its website. - Nancy Holden
3. Basic Jewish Genealogy starts Feb 5. $80. There is no charge for
JewishGen contributors to the General Fund - Phyllis Kramer
4. Independent Study starts Feb 15. $150. Enrollment by application
- Nancy Holden

Please read the course descriptions and requirements and enroll at
http://www.jewishgen.org/education

Address your questions to:
JewishGen-Education@...

Nancy Holden, Instruction Manager
Phyllis Kramer, VP, Education


Warszawa Research Group #Warsaw #Poland A Final Thank You to JOWBR and HDB Volunteers and Donors #warsaw #poland

Nolan Altman
 

I'd like to personally thank all the donors and volunteers who
I've worked with over the past dozen years or so. Without your
contributions of material, time and expertise, JewishGen's
databases would not be the valuable asset they have become. It
has been a real honor to build searchable databases for the
greater genealogical community and especially to create permanent
records for the disappearing remnants of Jewish life in many of
your ancestral communities. The satisfaction I receive >from
talking/emailing with donors and researchers who find material on
their family has been keeping me going for the last few years.

However, the demands on my time to administer JOWBR and the
Holocaust Database for JewishGen in the current operating
environment have become too great for me to handle effectively.
Therefore, it is with great regret that I have tendered my
resignation as JewishGen's VP for Data Acquisition. I'm sure that
JewishGen will continue to grow their databases and I encourage
you to continue to submit data and photos and volunteer for data
entry, translating and other technical assignments.

As you know, it's a small community and I'm sure our paths will
cross. I hope to see many of you in Boston or other upcoming
conferences!

Nolan Altman


Warszawa Research Group #Warsaw #Poland JewishGen Education February Classes #warsaw #poland

bounce-2547915-772981@...
 

JewishGen Education February Classes Open for Enrollment

1. Creating KehilaLinks Web Pages starts Feb 1. $36. - Mark
Heckman
2. Exploring JewishGen starts Feb 1. $18. This two week Course
is an introduction to navigating JewishGen and the hidden resources
on its website. - Nancy Holden
3. Basic Jewish Genealogy starts Feb 5. $80. There is no charge for
JewishGen contributors to the General Fund - Phyllis Kramer
4. Independent Study starts Feb 15. $150. Enrollment by application
- Nancy Holden

Please read the course descriptions and requirements and enroll at
http://www.jewishgen.org/education

Address your questions to:
JewishGen-Education@...

Nancy Holden, Instruction Manager
Phyllis Kramer, VP, Education


Romanian jewish history #romania

rmihailv@...
 

I have a few questions regarding Romanian jewish history:

1. Does anybody know if Zorel is a hebrew first name? If yes, is it
also common among non-jewish Romanians?

2. Does anybody know if any jewish families migrated south to Dobrogea
(southeast Romania) as a result of the Romanian pogroms of the late
19, early 20th century, especially the Iasi pogroms?

Please let me know if you know of any resources regarding the above.

Thank you,

Robert Mihail

rmihailv@...


Romania SIG #Romania Romanian jewish history #romania

rmihailv@...
 

I have a few questions regarding Romanian jewish history:

1. Does anybody know if Zorel is a hebrew first name? If yes, is it
also common among non-jewish Romanians?

2. Does anybody know if any jewish families migrated south to Dobrogea
(southeast Romania) as a result of the Romanian pogroms of the late
19, early 20th century, especially the Iasi pogroms?

Please let me know if you know of any resources regarding the above.

Thank you,

Robert Mihail

rmihailv@...


Assistance locating original surname for SHAW and ROSIN #poland

Karen Wyman
 

RE: Assistance locating original surname for SHAW and ROSIN

I have hit a brick wall in my research and am looking for guidance >from
the group.
I cannot locate the original family name nor naturalization,
immigration or manifest records for any of the immediate family and was
hoping for some ideas

Family name: SHAW and ROSIN

It is family understanding that the original name was possibly ROSHAWSKY
or ROSHAF but no one has any documentation or firm recollection, >from
which to verify.

Two brothers came independently and settled in the US:
Simon (Samuel) SHAW immigrated >from VARENA (ORANY) or VILNIUS, Lithuania
c 1906 per census records. His wife (Lena KREINER) and 3 sons (Saul,
Jacob and Frank) immigrated c. 1909. I have verified >from census records
that they lived in Webster, MA (1910); Paterson, NJ; and then split to
Brooklyn, NY and LI, NY.

Simon's brother Nathan, it is believed immigrated c. 1920 and took a
different Americanized name: ROSIN (I found potential documentation that
shows Nathan may have come >from BIALYSTOK or GRODNO. Married Rose and
settled in Paterson, NJ.

Any guidance anyone can offer with locating the naturalization papers
(possibly in MA, NY or NJ) or manifest info, or another way to locate
the original name, would be most welcome! I have tried through several
online databases with no success.

Most sincerely and with thanks,
Karen Wyman
Cleveland, OH, USA
kikit32@...


BialyGen: Bialystok Region #Bialystok #Poland Assistance locating original surname for SHAW and ROSIN #poland

Karen Wyman
 

RE: Assistance locating original surname for SHAW and ROSIN

I have hit a brick wall in my research and am looking for guidance >from
the group.
I cannot locate the original family name nor naturalization,
immigration or manifest records for any of the immediate family and was
hoping for some ideas

Family name: SHAW and ROSIN

It is family understanding that the original name was possibly ROSHAWSKY
or ROSHAF but no one has any documentation or firm recollection, >from
which to verify.

Two brothers came independently and settled in the US:
Simon (Samuel) SHAW immigrated >from VARENA (ORANY) or VILNIUS, Lithuania
c 1906 per census records. His wife (Lena KREINER) and 3 sons (Saul,
Jacob and Frank) immigrated c. 1909. I have verified >from census records
that they lived in Webster, MA (1910); Paterson, NJ; and then split to
Brooklyn, NY and LI, NY.

Simon's brother Nathan, it is believed immigrated c. 1920 and took a
different Americanized name: ROSIN (I found potential documentation that
shows Nathan may have come >from BIALYSTOK or GRODNO. Married Rose and
settled in Paterson, NJ.

Any guidance anyone can offer with locating the naturalization papers
(possibly in MA, NY or NJ) or manifest info, or another way to locate
the original name, would be most welcome! I have tried through several
online databases with no success.

Most sincerely and with thanks,
Karen Wyman
Cleveland, OH, USA
kikit32@...