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Re: MUNK family of Nitra #hungary

161bayview@...
 

Subject: MUNK family of Nitra
From: Seth
Date: 1 Jun 2013
I am researching my 3x great grandmother Theresia MUNK who was born c. 1817 in Hungary. I do not know for certain if she was born in Nitra but I suspect so.
Does anyone have any information on any other branches of the MUNK family in Nitra >from the first quarter of the 1800s or earlier?
There is a book on the geneology of the Munk family >from Nitra
(Nyitra) (Nuetra), which takes the Munk family back to 1560 in
Frankfurt, Germany, written in Hungarian and Hebrew:
Author: Munkácsi, Bernát
Title: A nyitrai, nagyváradi és budapesti Munk-család valamint a
nyitrai, nagytapolcsan'yi, balassagyarmati, nagykanizsai, szentesi és
budapesti Felsenburg-család genealógiája;
Budapest : 1939.

It can be obtained through Inter-Library Loan >from Hebrew Union
College, 3101 Clifton Avenue, Cincinnati, Ohio 45220-2488,
Interlibrary Loan: (513) 487-3281

There is a Terez Munk in that book, but she married a Deutsch. There
are also Spitzer's in the book, but not the one you named.

I have a similar Munk ancestor >from Nyitra situation as yours. Ewa
(Eva) MÜNK, b. 1 November 1819 in Nyitra, married to Abraham
Landesman, b. 21 August 1815 in Nyitra. If anybody has any
information on Ewa and the Landesmans, I'd appreciate hearing about
it.

Regards,
Maria Tauber

Moderator: Please respond off-list unless message is of general interest.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: MUNK family of Nitra #hungary

161bayview@...
 

Subject: MUNK family of Nitra
From: Seth
Date: 1 Jun 2013
I am researching my 3x great grandmother Theresia MUNK who was born c. 1817 in Hungary. I do not know for certain if she was born in Nitra but I suspect so.
Does anyone have any information on any other branches of the MUNK family in Nitra >from the first quarter of the 1800s or earlier?
There is a book on the geneology of the Munk family >from Nitra
(Nyitra) (Nuetra), which takes the Munk family back to 1560 in
Frankfurt, Germany, written in Hungarian and Hebrew:
Author: Munkácsi, Bernát
Title: A nyitrai, nagyváradi és budapesti Munk-család valamint a
nyitrai, nagytapolcsan'yi, balassagyarmati, nagykanizsai, szentesi és
budapesti Felsenburg-család genealógiája;
Budapest : 1939.

It can be obtained through Inter-Library Loan >from Hebrew Union
College, 3101 Clifton Avenue, Cincinnati, Ohio 45220-2488,
Interlibrary Loan: (513) 487-3281

There is a Terez Munk in that book, but she married a Deutsch. There
are also Spitzer's in the book, but not the one you named.

I have a similar Munk ancestor >from Nyitra situation as yours. Ewa
(Eva) MÜNK, b. 1 November 1819 in Nyitra, married to Abraham
Landesman, b. 21 August 1815 in Nyitra. If anybody has any
information on Ewa and the Landesmans, I'd appreciate hearing about
it.

Regards,
Maria Tauber

Moderator: Please respond off-list unless message is of general interest.


Re: Help with locating family #general

cecilia <myths@...>
 

(Colin Greenwood) wrote:

[...] My grandfather was born
in London in the 1880's and his name was John Aarons. I have not been
able to find any references to him at all. He was a shoe manufacturer,
as I believe his father was. He migrated to Australia at some stage,
early 1900's and changed his surname to Amos. [...]
Look for him in censuses and identify his father.

(ancestry.com and www.findmypast.co.uk have censuses - both charge.
In the UK, many public libraries have subscriptions to one or other.)

The 1901 census will have him as a young adult, and you may be able to
distinguish him >from others of the same name by his occupation, and
thus find his birth family.

If his father is there, look for the birth of his father in
www.freebmd.org.uk (FreeBMD). If you have identified the given name
of his mother, look for a possible marriage in FreeBMD, and then for
her birth, once you know her surname.

For some information, it may be necessary to order and pay for birth
and marriage certificates - FreeBMD has links.

If you can find the names of ancestors that appeared in the 1851
census, check http://www.jewishgen.org/jcr-uk/1851/introduction.htm

If you can find someone in a census, track them through other
censuses, in case other information is there (e.g. an uncle happens to
be visiting.)

soc.genealogy.britain should be approached for help with any of the
above

Cecilia Nyleve


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Help with locating family #general

cecilia <myths@...>
 

(Colin Greenwood) wrote:

[...] My grandfather was born
in London in the 1880's and his name was John Aarons. I have not been
able to find any references to him at all. He was a shoe manufacturer,
as I believe his father was. He migrated to Australia at some stage,
early 1900's and changed his surname to Amos. [...]
Look for him in censuses and identify his father.

(ancestry.com and www.findmypast.co.uk have censuses - both charge.
In the UK, many public libraries have subscriptions to one or other.)

The 1901 census will have him as a young adult, and you may be able to
distinguish him >from others of the same name by his occupation, and
thus find his birth family.

If his father is there, look for the birth of his father in
www.freebmd.org.uk (FreeBMD). If you have identified the given name
of his mother, look for a possible marriage in FreeBMD, and then for
her birth, once you know her surname.

For some information, it may be necessary to order and pay for birth
and marriage certificates - FreeBMD has links.

If you can find the names of ancestors that appeared in the 1851
census, check http://www.jewishgen.org/jcr-uk/1851/introduction.htm

If you can find someone in a census, track them through other
censuses, in case other information is there (e.g. an uncle happens to
be visiting.)

soc.genealogy.britain should be approached for help with any of the
above

Cecilia Nyleve


Lyndhurst,NJ #general

Yisroel Shapiro
 

I had an uncle living in Lyndhurst ,N J . I am wondering what if Jews
from a particular area went there. This uncle was found in the 1920
census. What were the names of the Synagogues in the area? Where
would one be buried.

Do not know the relevance yet -his brother was in passaic and that
brother sister in law in Paterson.

The uncle's kid movd to Jersey city.

This family was Gordon >from Salakas,Lithuania . I am trying to located
the uncle's grave. And to see if there might be a gabbai list to see
if there is any mention he was Levite.

Yisroel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Lyndhurst,NJ #general

Yisroel Shapiro
 

I had an uncle living in Lyndhurst ,N J . I am wondering what if Jews
from a particular area went there. This uncle was found in the 1920
census. What were the names of the Synagogues in the area? Where
would one be buried.

Do not know the relevance yet -his brother was in passaic and that
brother sister in law in Paterson.

The uncle's kid movd to Jersey city.

This family was Gordon >from Salakas,Lithuania . I am trying to located
the uncle's grave. And to see if there might be a gabbai list to see
if there is any mention he was Levite.

Yisroel


Researching: SCHLAIFER, SCHLEIFER, SHLAIFER, SCHLAFER, Morris: Odessa->Portland OR #general

Patti Waitman-Ingebretsen <pattitwirler@...>
 

Trying to research the following:
SCHLAIFER, SCHLEIFER, SHLAIFER, SCHLAFER (spelling varies), Morris
(Moritz)- b July 1889 Odessa, Russia, d 1971 Portland, OR
arrived US- Oct 1910- occupation tailor

Married 15 June 1930 Portland, OR
BERNSTEIN, Becky b 1894 Russia, d July 1994 Portland, OR
They had no children. I am specifically looking for photos and/or siblings,
other family connections. I have their census records & cemetery records.
They lived in same town for 60 years.
thanks,
Patti


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Researching: SCHLAIFER, SCHLEIFER, SHLAIFER, SCHLAFER, Morris: Odessa->Portland OR #general

Patti Waitman-Ingebretsen <pattitwirler@...>
 

Trying to research the following:
SCHLAIFER, SCHLEIFER, SHLAIFER, SCHLAFER (spelling varies), Morris
(Moritz)- b July 1889 Odessa, Russia, d 1971 Portland, OR
arrived US- Oct 1910- occupation tailor

Married 15 June 1930 Portland, OR
BERNSTEIN, Becky b 1894 Russia, d July 1994 Portland, OR
They had no children. I am specifically looking for photos and/or siblings,
other family connections. I have their census records & cemetery records.
They lived in same town for 60 years.
thanks,
Patti


Confused over Patronymic names #general

rena rudolph mcdonald
 

My great-grandfather's middle name on his daughter's headstone is
"N yud yud D L". His daughter's married name was NADEL, so I thought
maybe there was a connection. When searching Lithuanian records I found
a birth record for my great-uncle, on this record the middle name was
Michel.

Is there an explanation for this, other than a mistake?

Many thanks,
Rena McDonald
Birmingham, AL USA

Searching: NADEL, Austria Poland; SHTEIMAN, NovoAlexandrovsk
Lithuania;
ETIN, Belarus and Riga Latvia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Confused over Patronymic names #general

rena rudolph mcdonald
 

My great-grandfather's middle name on his daughter's headstone is
"N yud yud D L". His daughter's married name was NADEL, so I thought
maybe there was a connection. When searching Lithuanian records I found
a birth record for my great-uncle, on this record the middle name was
Michel.

Is there an explanation for this, other than a mistake?

Many thanks,
Rena McDonald
Birmingham, AL USA

Searching: NADEL, Austria Poland; SHTEIMAN, NovoAlexandrovsk
Lithuania;
ETIN, Belarus and Riga Latvia


Re: WW I Austro-Hungarian Soldier and Russian POW #galicia

mas850@...
 

Thanks to all who responded to my story and request for help. Many of you
had similar stories, but one of the respondents had proof. He found an
entry in a 1916 casualty list for my grandfather, showing his army unit, and
the name of his POW camp in Far Eastern Siberia. The story is true - and
verified. Wonderful!

Mike Schwartz

-----Original Message-----

I am looking for help in verifying a story told to me by my grandfather.
Kiwa SCHWARZ claimed that he was drafted into the Austria-Hungarian army at
the beginning of WW I and was eventually captured by the Russians and spent
time in a POW camp in Siberia. He was living, at that time, in the village
of Niemirow, Galicia (now Nemiriv, Ukraine). I believe Niemirow was at that
time in the Rawa Ruska district, though also close to Lemberg.

My research suggests that the capture (if the story is true) might have
occurred after the siege of Przemsyl in early 1915, where more than 300,000
A-H troops were captured....


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: WW I Austro-Hungarian Soldier and Russian POW #galicia

mas850@...
 

Thanks to all who responded to my story and request for help. Many of you
had similar stories, but one of the respondents had proof. He found an
entry in a 1916 casualty list for my grandfather, showing his army unit, and
the name of his POW camp in Far Eastern Siberia. The story is true - and
verified. Wonderful!

Mike Schwartz

-----Original Message-----

I am looking for help in verifying a story told to me by my grandfather.
Kiwa SCHWARZ claimed that he was drafted into the Austria-Hungarian army at
the beginning of WW I and was eventually captured by the Russians and spent
time in a POW camp in Siberia. He was living, at that time, in the village
of Niemirow, Galicia (now Nemiriv, Ukraine). I believe Niemirow was at that
time in the Rawa Ruska district, though also close to Lemberg.

My research suggests that the capture (if the story is true) might have
occurred after the siege of Przemsyl in early 1915, where more than 300,000
A-H troops were captured....


In Search of Vienna's Vanished Jewish Elite #austria-czech

ezwieback@...
 

Interesting history in a English magazine , Mar-2012, written by Giles
Macdonogh
http://standpointmag.co.uk/features-march-12-in-search-of-viennas-vanished-jewish-elite-giles-macdonogh-rinstrasse-zwieback-family

Many Jewish families are named.
Regards,
Ed Zwieback
Long Beach, California
Zwieback Family Name;http://ezwieback.com/ZFN-p/index.htm


Right of domicile in Bohemia and Moravia #austria-czech

Julia Trainor
 

Dear fellow researchers

My Great Grandfather Leopold Gottlieb (1846-1930) was born and lived in
Unter Reditz (now Dolni Redice, Holice, Czech Republic), and lived and
died in Grulich (now Kraliky, Czeck Republic). These towns were in Bohemia,
close to the border with Moravia.

I understand that in 1893 Leopold Gottlieb obtained the right of domicile,
and that this was a great blessing for the family.

Here is an extract >from a letter that refers to this right of domicile. The
letter was written by his son in German language, in 1954:

" ... Wenn ich noch berichte, dass Vater im Mahre 1893, nachdem er das Haus
gekauft und umgebaut hatte, in Grulich das Heimatsrecht und damit die
Zustandigkeit in Grulich erworben hat, so habe ich alles berichtet, was ich
weiss.

Dieses Heimatsrecht in Grulich war eine grosse Wohltat for uns alle: stell
Dir nur nor, dass wir alle moglichen Dokumente in UnterReditz hatten
anfordern mussen, von welchem Cechischen Nest nicht einmal Vater wusste, wo
es liegt ..."

Does anyone know what this right of domicile was?

This is my first post to a genealogy discussion list. I have checked the
Jewish Encyclopedia online without success; also the archives of the
Austria-Czech list, where I found a similar question but no answers.

Julia Trainor
Canberra, Australia


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech In Search of Vienna's Vanished Jewish Elite #austria-czech

ezwieback@...
 

Interesting history in a English magazine , Mar-2012, written by Giles
Macdonogh
http://standpointmag.co.uk/features-march-12-in-search-of-viennas-vanished-jewish-elite-giles-macdonogh-rinstrasse-zwieback-family

Many Jewish families are named.
Regards,
Ed Zwieback
Long Beach, California
Zwieback Family Name;http://ezwieback.com/ZFN-p/index.htm


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Right of domicile in Bohemia and Moravia #austria-czech

Julia Trainor
 

Dear fellow researchers

My Great Grandfather Leopold Gottlieb (1846-1930) was born and lived in
Unter Reditz (now Dolni Redice, Holice, Czech Republic), and lived and
died in Grulich (now Kraliky, Czeck Republic). These towns were in Bohemia,
close to the border with Moravia.

I understand that in 1893 Leopold Gottlieb obtained the right of domicile,
and that this was a great blessing for the family.

Here is an extract >from a letter that refers to this right of domicile. The
letter was written by his son in German language, in 1954:

" ... Wenn ich noch berichte, dass Vater im Mahre 1893, nachdem er das Haus
gekauft und umgebaut hatte, in Grulich das Heimatsrecht und damit die
Zustandigkeit in Grulich erworben hat, so habe ich alles berichtet, was ich
weiss.

Dieses Heimatsrecht in Grulich war eine grosse Wohltat for uns alle: stell
Dir nur nor, dass wir alle moglichen Dokumente in UnterReditz hatten
anfordern mussen, von welchem Cechischen Nest nicht einmal Vater wusste, wo
es liegt ..."

Does anyone know what this right of domicile was?

This is my first post to a genealogy discussion list. I have checked the
Jewish Encyclopedia online without success; also the archives of the
Austria-Czech list, where I found a similar question but no answers.

Julia Trainor
Canberra, Australia


[USA] CA SB 71- Trailer Bill Amends CA Public Records Act - Permitting Voluntary Compliance by Government Agency #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

IAJGS learned this morning that a 'trailer bill' SB 71 will be voted on the
floors of both chambers today or tomorrow "without a hearing" includes
provisions that amend the California Public Records Act and those would
make compliance by a local agency for request for records "voluntary".
The California Senate decided not to hold hearings yesterday! A trailer bill
was originally intended to accompany the budget bill. The last-minute
release of the policy bills needed to implement the spending plan, has become
something of a tradition at the California State Capitol, but the public is not
given enough time to evaluate the sometimes voluminous provisions. This
bill has many provisions I am bringing to your attention the provision that
affects public records, which includes vital records, birth, marriage,
divorce, annulment, and death records.

This is the link to the bill -see pages 3 ( paragraph (3) , 17 (lines
2-40)
-18 (lines 1-24). Go to:

tinyurl: http://tinyurl.com/k83jb7s

Original url:

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/13-14/bill/sen/sb_0051-0100/sb_71_bill_20130612_amended_asm_v98.pdf

There is nothing in the bill that requires the local agency that decides
not to comply with a request for a record to give reasons or appeal their
decision, nor even to get back to the person who is making the request
that they are not going to comply with the request.

To find out what you can do, you need to go to the IAJGS Public Records
Access alert. If you have not yet subscribed this is how you can do that
and access today's announcement by going to the archives,again you must be
subscribed.

You must be a registered subscriber to access the archives. To register
go to:
http://lists.iajgs.org/mailman/listinfo/records-access-alerts
and follow the instructions to enter your email address, full name and
JGS/JHS/SIG/ JewishGen affiliation. You will receive an email response that
you have to reply to or the subscription will not be finalized. If you
want full details of the postings please go to the Records Access Alert and
access the archives;
http://lists.iajgs.org/mailman/private/records-access-alerts/

Jan Meisels Allen
IAJGS Vice President
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen [USA] CA SB 71- Trailer Bill Amends CA Public Records Act - Permitting Voluntary Compliance by Government Agency #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

IAJGS learned this morning that a 'trailer bill' SB 71 will be voted on the
floors of both chambers today or tomorrow "without a hearing" includes
provisions that amend the California Public Records Act and those would
make compliance by a local agency for request for records "voluntary".
The California Senate decided not to hold hearings yesterday! A trailer bill
was originally intended to accompany the budget bill. The last-minute
release of the policy bills needed to implement the spending plan, has become
something of a tradition at the California State Capitol, but the public is not
given enough time to evaluate the sometimes voluminous provisions. This
bill has many provisions I am bringing to your attention the provision that
affects public records, which includes vital records, birth, marriage,
divorce, annulment, and death records.

This is the link to the bill -see pages 3 ( paragraph (3) , 17 (lines
2-40)
-18 (lines 1-24). Go to:

tinyurl: http://tinyurl.com/k83jb7s

Original url:

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/13-14/bill/sen/sb_0051-0100/sb_71_bill_20130612_amended_asm_v98.pdf

There is nothing in the bill that requires the local agency that decides
not to comply with a request for a record to give reasons or appeal their
decision, nor even to get back to the person who is making the request
that they are not going to comply with the request.

To find out what you can do, you need to go to the IAJGS Public Records
Access alert. If you have not yet subscribed this is how you can do that
and access today's announcement by going to the archives,again you must be
subscribed.

You must be a registered subscriber to access the archives. To register
go to:
http://lists.iajgs.org/mailman/listinfo/records-access-alerts
and follow the instructions to enter your email address, full name and
JGS/JHS/SIG/ JewishGen affiliation. You will receive an email response that
you have to reply to or the subscription will not be finalized. If you
want full details of the postings please go to the Records Access Alert and
access the archives;
http://lists.iajgs.org/mailman/private/records-access-alerts/

Jan Meisels Allen
IAJGS Vice President
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Re: Were "housekeepers" really "wives"? #galicia

Evertjan. <exxjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

Eric M. Bloch wrote on 14 jun 2013:

While transcribing 19th-century Lviv death records, we frequently find
women who have died and are identified as the "wirtschafterin"
(housekeeper, economic general partner) of so-and-so.These women carry
the same surname as their "employer."

Since the 19th-century Austrian government did not recognize Jewish
religious marriages, only civil marriages,
I strongly doubt if they do now.

French [Napoleon] and German law only recognize civil marriage.

Overhere [Netherlands] religious marriage of the civil unmarried is
illegal. The synagoge or church ceremony/ritual follows the civil one in
the town hall, on the same day or sometimes [much] later.

I'm wondering if these women
were in fact married to so-and-so via a religious ceremony but without a
civil marriage.Rather than documenting their status as unmarried (and
thus "living in sin")
"living in sin", what a christion notion, nothing to do with civil law or
not having a ketubah [then and there!]. Perhaps only the civil status of
the offspring made a marriage important. The children's Jewish status
being only due to that of the mother.

the government graciously allowed them to be
identified as "housekeepers"
In those times man having a duly married wife often referrred to her as
his "housekeeper".

(apparently there was no such thing as a
"common law" wife as we have in the U.S.).
That depends on the age and time. "common law marriage" is a British, and
even more recently still Scottish notion, only coined because of the
rising of the church wedding becomming civil law. "Your" U.S. notion is
[only] a derivative of that.

Under European continental law the civil marriage was introduced as a
matter of registration.

Can anyone verify that these "housekeepers" were in fact religiously
married to their "employer"?
Of cource not, "I take her as my wife" was as much an economic unity as
anything, in that sense the modern word "employer" did not apply.

Probably some to many of those unions were sealed by a ketubah, the Jewish
marriage beng a contractual, not a ritual happening.


Examples:

"Anton Rauchenbichler verstarb [=died] am 26. April 1834 [..]. Am selben
Tag heiratete [=married] er noch seine Wirtschafterin [=housewife] und
Lebensgefährtin [=lifecompanion] Marie Holzner, mit der er einen Sohn
hatte."
<http://www.salzburg.com/wiki/index.php/Anton_Rauchenbichler>

Breishies 24:67
[king James translation}
"And Isaac brought her into his mother Sarah's tent, and took Rebekah, and
she became his wife; and he loved her."

German (Luther 1545) translation
Da führete sie Isaak in die Hütte seiner Mutter Sara und nahm die Rebekka,
und sie ward sein Weib, und gewann sie lieb.

Later English translations say "he married Rebekah and loved her", but
there is no notion of any wedding in ceremonial or legal sense in
Breishies 24:67, methinks.
<http://interlinearbible.org/genesis/24-67.htm>

Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)
Visit [recently changed URL]: <http://synagogeenschede.nl/>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Were "housekeepers" really "wives"? #general

Evertjan. <exxjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

Eric M. Bloch wrote on 14 jun 2013:

While transcribing 19th-century Lviv death records, we frequently find
women who have died and are identified as the "wirtschafterin"
(housekeeper, economic general partner) of so-and-so.These women carry
the same surname as their "employer."

Since the 19th-century Austrian government did not recognize Jewish
religious marriages, only civil marriages,
I strongly doubt if they do now.

French [Napoleon] and German law only recognize civil marriage.

Overhere [Netherlands] religious marriage of the civil unmarried is
illegal. The synagoge or church ceremony/ritual follows the civil one in
the town hall, on the same day or sometimes [much] later.

I'm wondering if these women
were in fact married to so-and-so via a religious ceremony but without a
civil marriage.Rather than documenting their status as unmarried (and
thus "living in sin")
"living in sin", what a christion notion, nothing to do with civil law or
not having a ketubah [then and there!]. Perhaps only the civil status of
the offspring made a marriage important. The children's Jewish status
being only due to that of the mother.

the government graciously allowed them to be
identified as "housekeepers"
In those times man having a duly married wife often referrred to her as
his "housekeeper".

(apparently there was no such thing as a
"common law" wife as we have in the U.S.).
That depends on the age and time. "common law marriage" is a British, and
even more recently still Scottish notion, only coined because of the
rising of the church wedding becomming civil law. "Your" U.S. notion is
[only] a derivative of that.

Under European continental law the civil marriage was introduced as a
matter of registration.

Can anyone verify that these "housekeepers" were in fact religiously
married to their "employer"?
Of cource not, "I take her as my wife" was as much an economic unity as
anything, in that sense the modern word "employer" did not apply.

Probably some to many of those unions were sealed by a ketubah, the Jewish
marriage beng a contractual, not a ritual happening.


Examples:

"Anton Rauchenbichler verstarb [=died] am 26. April 1834 [..]. Am selben
Tag heiratete [=married] er noch seine Wirtschafterin [=housewife] und
Lebensgefährtin [=lifecompanion] Marie Holzner, mit der er einen Sohn
hatte."
<http://www.salzburg.com/wiki/index.php/Anton_Rauchenbichler>

Breishies 24:67
[king James translation}
"And Isaac brought her into his mother Sarah's tent, and took Rebekah, and
she became his wife; and he loved her."

German (Luther 1545) translation
Da führete sie Isaak in die Hütte seiner Mutter Sara und nahm die Rebekka,
und sie ward sein Weib, und gewann sie lieb.

Later English translations say "he married Rebekah and loved her", but
there is no notion of any wedding in ceremonial or legal sense in
Breishies 24:67, methinks.
<http://interlinearbible.org/genesis/24-67.htm>

Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)
Visit [recently changed URL]: <http://synagogeenschede.nl/>

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