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Israel/Palestine records? #latvia

bgephart@...
 

I realize this is somewhat off-topic, but maybe someone can answer my
question -

I'm looking for information about a couple that was probably married in
Israel/Palestine, possibly Tel Aviv, in 1940. I have looked in all of
my home resources and on the internet, and can't find any mention of
marriage records for Israel, let alone before 1948. Are there any? If
so, where are they held? Does the State Archives have them? I read in
a recent Avotaynu that the Israel State Archives was due to have a
website up by now. Does anyone know the URL?

Thanks for any leads you can give me.

Betsy Thal Gephart
bgephart@comcast.net


Latvia SIG #Latvia Israel/Palestine records? #latvia

bgephart@...
 

I realize this is somewhat off-topic, but maybe someone can answer my
question -

I'm looking for information about a couple that was probably married in
Israel/Palestine, possibly Tel Aviv, in 1940. I have looked in all of
my home resources and on the internet, and can't find any mention of
marriage records for Israel, let alone before 1948. Are there any? If
so, where are they held? Does the State Archives have them? I read in
a recent Avotaynu that the Israel State Archives was due to have a
website up by now. Does anyone know the URL?

Thanks for any leads you can give me.

Betsy Thal Gephart
bgephart@comcast.net


Who are the girls in the photograph? #lodz #poland

Ada Holtzman <ada01@...>
 

I posted a photograph of two girls, probably sisters >from ghetto Lodz,
found in Chelmno site by local Poles after the war.
See: http://www.zchor.org/searchin/sisters.htm
Let me know if anyone recognize these girls, murdered in Chelmno, after
60 years...

The photograph published in the magazine ARCHAEOLOGY January February
2003, in an article "Remembering Chelmno, Heart Wrenching Finds >from A
Nazi Death Camp" by Juliet Golden, which contains more findings found in
the excavations done in the grounds of the Palace, last site for more
than 300,000 Jews who were murdered in Chelmno, the first death camp.

shalom,

Ada Holtzman
Web Site: http://www.zchor.org


Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland Who are the girls in the photograph? #poland #lodz

Ada Holtzman <ada01@...>
 

I posted a photograph of two girls, probably sisters >from ghetto Lodz,
found in Chelmno site by local Poles after the war.
See: http://www.zchor.org/searchin/sisters.htm
Let me know if anyone recognize these girls, murdered in Chelmno, after
60 years...

The photograph published in the magazine ARCHAEOLOGY January February
2003, in an article "Remembering Chelmno, Heart Wrenching Finds >from A
Nazi Death Camp" by Juliet Golden, which contains more findings found in
the excavations done in the grounds of the Palace, last site for more
than 300,000 Jews who were murdered in Chelmno, the first death camp.

shalom,

Ada Holtzman
Web Site: http://www.zchor.org


Families with possible Belarus connections #belarus

Harvey and Sandie Phillips <harsan@...>
 

I am searching for 2 family names, possibly originating in Belarus in
1800s, and emigrating to USA in early 1900s.

First family name, ROCKLIN
Father, Chaim Tsvi, mother's name unknown. There were 8 children: 7
brothers and one sister. Most settled in Duluth, MN, and some in
Minneapolis/St. Paul, MN. Of those children, one was my grandfather,
Philip (Pinchas "Pinney") Rocklin. Permutations of the name could have
been Rachlin, Rochlin, Rokhlyn, Rakhlyn. Names of some of the other
siblings: Cham Hersh, Maishe, Mikhail, and sister was Maryashe.

Second family name, Kall...maybe Kalinsky originally, or Kalyivarofsky.
My grandfather was David (Duvid) Kall. He had at least one brother,
full name unknown, but I believe it started with a "D" also.

Both families settled in Duluth, MN, where my mother, Bessie Rocklin
married my father, Theodore Kall.

The ROCKLIN family was possibly >from Bobruisk, Belarus.

Any info would be appreciated.

Sandie Kall Phillips
(harsan@webtv.net)


Jewish Heritage of Belarus Calendar #belarus

David Fox <davefox73@...>
 

Today I received a Jewish Heritage of Belarus calendar ((5763)
celebrating the 10th Anniversary of the Union of Religious Jewish
Congregations of Belarus. What is most interesting about this calendar
is the photos of buildings that were at one time Jewish buildings, but
are used for other purposes now. However, there are a few buildings
that have been turned back to the Jewish community.

Minsk Synagogue in Troyitskoye, end of XIX/beginning XX century - now
House of Nature

Bobruisk Main Synagogue, beginning XX century - now a gym

Kamenetz - Brest Region, Synagogue and the Yeshiva (XIX-XX century) -
now an administrative bldg.

Grodno Synagogue XIX century - now "Spartacus" sport hall

Oshmyany - Grodno Region Synagogue (beg. XX) - now being restored

Ruzhany - Brest Region Synagogue (XVIII-XIX) - now a warehouse

Mir - Grodno Region Yeshiva (beg. XX) - now a post office and an
apartment building

Kobrin - Brest Region Synagogue (mid XIX) - now a beverage shop

Luban - Minsk Region Synagogue (XIX-XX) - now a music school

Slonim - Grodno Region Synagogue (1632)

Radun - Grodno Synagogue (beg. XX) - now House of Culture

Volozhin Yeshiva (1803)

These approximately 6 x 8 inch color photos are part of a Union project
to document and photograph synagogues, Jewish cemeteries, yeshivas, and
other Jewish sites of interest in Belarus. The president of the Union is
Yuri Dorn and he will be in the US for 45 days this Spring. I am
arranging for Yuri to speak at a meeting of the Jewish Genealogy Society
of Greater Washington (JGSGW) while he is here. Unfortunately, he will
not be available to attend the IAJGS International Genealogy Conference
in DC.

Dave

David Fox
Belarus SIG Coordinator
Arnold, MD USA


Belarus SIG #Belarus Families with possible Belarus connections #belarus

Harvey and Sandie Phillips <harsan@...>
 

I am searching for 2 family names, possibly originating in Belarus in
1800s, and emigrating to USA in early 1900s.

First family name, ROCKLIN
Father, Chaim Tsvi, mother's name unknown. There were 8 children: 7
brothers and one sister. Most settled in Duluth, MN, and some in
Minneapolis/St. Paul, MN. Of those children, one was my grandfather,
Philip (Pinchas "Pinney") Rocklin. Permutations of the name could have
been Rachlin, Rochlin, Rokhlyn, Rakhlyn. Names of some of the other
siblings: Cham Hersh, Maishe, Mikhail, and sister was Maryashe.

Second family name, Kall...maybe Kalinsky originally, or Kalyivarofsky.
My grandfather was David (Duvid) Kall. He had at least one brother,
full name unknown, but I believe it started with a "D" also.

Both families settled in Duluth, MN, where my mother, Bessie Rocklin
married my father, Theodore Kall.

The ROCKLIN family was possibly >from Bobruisk, Belarus.

Any info would be appreciated.

Sandie Kall Phillips
(harsan@webtv.net)


Belarus SIG #Belarus Jewish Heritage of Belarus Calendar #belarus

David Fox <davefox73@...>
 

Today I received a Jewish Heritage of Belarus calendar ((5763)
celebrating the 10th Anniversary of the Union of Religious Jewish
Congregations of Belarus. What is most interesting about this calendar
is the photos of buildings that were at one time Jewish buildings, but
are used for other purposes now. However, there are a few buildings
that have been turned back to the Jewish community.

Minsk Synagogue in Troyitskoye, end of XIX/beginning XX century - now
House of Nature

Bobruisk Main Synagogue, beginning XX century - now a gym

Kamenetz - Brest Region, Synagogue and the Yeshiva (XIX-XX century) -
now an administrative bldg.

Grodno Synagogue XIX century - now "Spartacus" sport hall

Oshmyany - Grodno Region Synagogue (beg. XX) - now being restored

Ruzhany - Brest Region Synagogue (XVIII-XIX) - now a warehouse

Mir - Grodno Region Yeshiva (beg. XX) - now a post office and an
apartment building

Kobrin - Brest Region Synagogue (mid XIX) - now a beverage shop

Luban - Minsk Region Synagogue (XIX-XX) - now a music school

Slonim - Grodno Region Synagogue (1632)

Radun - Grodno Synagogue (beg. XX) - now House of Culture

Volozhin Yeshiva (1803)

These approximately 6 x 8 inch color photos are part of a Union project
to document and photograph synagogues, Jewish cemeteries, yeshivas, and
other Jewish sites of interest in Belarus. The president of the Union is
Yuri Dorn and he will be in the US for 45 days this Spring. I am
arranging for Yuri to speak at a meeting of the Jewish Genealogy Society
of Greater Washington (JGSGW) while he is here. Unfortunately, he will
not be available to attend the IAJGS International Genealogy Conference
in DC.

Dave

David Fox
Belarus SIG Coordinator
Arnold, MD USA


Arrival Manifests - "Going to" information query #belarus

Michelle Frager <lulu_brooks@...>
 

Does anyone know whether the information recorded as to where/who the
immigrant was going had to be verified by the immigrant's
presentation of a document?

Thanks.

Michelle Frager - Metro NY


Belarus SIG #Belarus Arrival Manifests - "Going to" information query #belarus

Michelle Frager <lulu_brooks@...>
 

Does anyone know whether the information recorded as to where/who the
immigrant was going had to be verified by the immigrant's
presentation of a document?

Thanks.

Michelle Frager - Metro NY


Re: 1st Cousins Marrying In Vilna in the middle 1800's #lithuania

sallybru <sallybru@...>
 

It was very common for Jews to marry first cousins, not only in Vilna but
all over Europe. An Uncle could marry a Neice. Since most marriages were
arranged, it was also common for 2 brothers to marry 2 sisters which were
first cousins, or a sister and brother to marry a brother and sister. It
was easier to make one 'deal' covering as many kids as were of appropriate
age, sex, and so forth. Also, with family travelling long distances by foot or carriage, it was common to have the festivities last a week-possibly with 2 marriages during the week so the travelers only had one trip. Sometimes 3 marriages in one family, in one week.

Another thing that was pretty common was early death of a spouse. If a wife died in childbirth or whatever, the husband often married an available
sister of hers. It seems strange to us, but that was not strange then.

I have first cousins marrying each other, and their kids marrying their
first cousins, and their kids marrying their first cousins. It makes knots
in ancestry charts-I have one ancestor who is an 8th great grandfather 6
times and a 9th gr grandfather as well (he started before the mid-1850's of
course, and not in Vilna).

So don't assume what is not common today was unusual 'then', whenever and
wherever. You ask a good question to find out what customs were.

Sally Bruckheimer
Harrison, NY


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: 1st Cousins Marrying In Vilna in the middle 1800's #lithuania

sallybru <sallybru@...>
 

It was very common for Jews to marry first cousins, not only in Vilna but
all over Europe. An Uncle could marry a Neice. Since most marriages were
arranged, it was also common for 2 brothers to marry 2 sisters which were
first cousins, or a sister and brother to marry a brother and sister. It
was easier to make one 'deal' covering as many kids as were of appropriate
age, sex, and so forth. Also, with family travelling long distances by foot or carriage, it was common to have the festivities last a week-possibly with 2 marriages during the week so the travelers only had one trip. Sometimes 3 marriages in one family, in one week.

Another thing that was pretty common was early death of a spouse. If a wife died in childbirth or whatever, the husband often married an available
sister of hers. It seems strange to us, but that was not strange then.

I have first cousins marrying each other, and their kids marrying their
first cousins, and their kids marrying their first cousins. It makes knots
in ancestry charts-I have one ancestor who is an 8th great grandfather 6
times and a 9th gr grandfather as well (he started before the mid-1850's of
course, and not in Vilna).

So don't assume what is not common today was unusual 'then', whenever and
wherever. You ask a good question to find out what customs were.

Sally Bruckheimer
Harrison, NY


Re: yizkor digest: December 31, 2002 #yizkorbooks

Fbussgang@...
 

In a message dated 1/1/03 1:16:38 AM, yizkor@lyris.jewishgen.org writes:

<< Przew=F3znik is a transport agent or carrier, a ferryman. >>

I should have know better. It is Przewoznik, with a slash over the "z."


Yizkor Books #YizkorBooks Re: yizkor digest: December 31, 2002 #yizkorbooks

Fbussgang@...
 

In a message dated 1/1/03 1:16:38 AM, yizkor@lyris.jewishgen.org writes:

<< Przew=F3znik is a transport agent or carrier, a ferryman. >>

I should have know better. It is Przewoznik, with a slash over the "z."


Research suggestions #ukraine

Mark Zola <palomablanca@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I would like to take this opportunity to thank the many people who
responded to my query of December 31. In a matter of one or two days you
were able to help me solve a research problem that has been tormenting
me for nearly a year. Not only did you give me many valuable suggestions
that will help me improve my research skill in general, but those
suggestions led to my finding and talking on the phone last night to the
85 year old son of the great uncle I was looking for! I'm sure you can
all appreciate my excitement at locating an individual representing a
whole different branch of my family, and talking to him! I hope to visit
him in the not too distant future. This only unscored for me the
tremendous resource we have in Jewish Gen. Best wishes to all.

Mark Zola
Cambridge, MA, USA

Researching: ZALOZHIN/KRUPNIKOW >from Zlatopol, Ukraine
BETEN/OVSEY >from Janova, Lithuania


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Research suggestions #ukraine

Mark Zola <palomablanca@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I would like to take this opportunity to thank the many people who
responded to my query of December 31. In a matter of one or two days you
were able to help me solve a research problem that has been tormenting
me for nearly a year. Not only did you give me many valuable suggestions
that will help me improve my research skill in general, but those
suggestions led to my finding and talking on the phone last night to the
85 year old son of the great uncle I was looking for! I'm sure you can
all appreciate my excitement at locating an individual representing a
whole different branch of my family, and talking to him! I hope to visit
him in the not too distant future. This only unscored for me the
tremendous resource we have in Jewish Gen. Best wishes to all.

Mark Zola
Cambridge, MA, USA

Researching: ZALOZHIN/KRUPNIKOW >from Zlatopol, Ukraine
BETEN/OVSEY >from Janova, Lithuania


Re: Name Changes #general

Silverman, Bill <bsilverman@...>
 

The one thing I don't understand is what country the ship's clerk/purser was
from. If the names were recorded at the point of embarkation, does this mean
the rest of the information on the ship's manifest was also recorded there?
If so, howcome everything is in English? Thanks,
Bill Silverman
Searching: SILVERMAN, SADOWSKY, KSNEDOVSKY, MUSHER, NOON, LIPCOWITZ,
GREENBEG, HOFBERG, YAROS, BETTMAN, LOSKER

-----Original Message-----
Dear Group,
snip<
Name changes is a topic which has been addressed many times and Mr. Pitcoff
may want to look in the SIG archived messages and/or the JewishGen InfoFiles
on names. (www.jewishgen.org)

To Mr. Pitcoff and any others who are just starting to search for
immigrants, here are some important points to consider:

1. People did NOT have their names changed at Ellis Island. This is
such a hard myth to kill! If the family name changed, it was usually done
once they were in this country and wanted a simpler, more "American"
sounding name. Sometimes a family member would precede the others, change
the name, and then tell the rest of the family to use the "new" name when
they came over. Officials at Ellis Island simply read the names that were
already written on the ships' manifests. The names were written by ships'
clerks/pursers in Europe. They did NOT change names, simply wrote what they
were told.

2. Names, such as the one Mr. Pitcoff is researching, that have many
phonetic variations, can easily be misspelled, and when searching databases,
all possible variations need to be looked at. Pietcovsky could also be
spelled with a "j," or a "y" instead of the double vowel; the "c" could
easily be a "k;" the "v" could be an "f," etc. If you haven't tried Stephen
Morse's search engine, <www.jewishgen.org/databases/EIDB/> you might want to
do that, instead of the actual Ellis Island site. It will allow you much
more flexibility.

3. Remember when searching, that immigrants came with
Yiddish/Hebrew/European first names. Be creative with spelling but remember
you are not looking for American names.

4. As many people on the Belarus SIG added, people often traveled
with false papers, and they took the names on them as their own. The
important thing to remember is that if names were changed, it was because
the individual chose to do so!

Good luck with your search.

Ilene Kanfer Murray
St. Louis, MO
Searching: KANFER in Horochov; PLITT/PLATT in Poritsk; WEISBERG in
Makhnovka; BOCHES in Pikov


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: Name Changes #ukraine

Silverman, Bill <bsilverman@...>
 

The one thing I don't understand is what country the ship's clerk/purser was
from. If the names were recorded at the point of embarkation, does this mean
the rest of the information on the ship's manifest was also recorded there?
If so, howcome everything is in English? Thanks,
Bill Silverman
Searching: SILVERMAN, SADOWSKY, KSNEDOVSKY, MUSHER, NOON, LIPCOWITZ,
GREENBEG, HOFBERG, YAROS, BETTMAN, LOSKER

-----Original Message-----
Dear Group,
snip<
Name changes is a topic which has been addressed many times and Mr. Pitcoff
may want to look in the SIG archived messages and/or the JewishGen InfoFiles
on names. (www.jewishgen.org)

To Mr. Pitcoff and any others who are just starting to search for
immigrants, here are some important points to consider:

1. People did NOT have their names changed at Ellis Island. This is
such a hard myth to kill! If the family name changed, it was usually done
once they were in this country and wanted a simpler, more "American"
sounding name. Sometimes a family member would precede the others, change
the name, and then tell the rest of the family to use the "new" name when
they came over. Officials at Ellis Island simply read the names that were
already written on the ships' manifests. The names were written by ships'
clerks/pursers in Europe. They did NOT change names, simply wrote what they
were told.

2. Names, such as the one Mr. Pitcoff is researching, that have many
phonetic variations, can easily be misspelled, and when searching databases,
all possible variations need to be looked at. Pietcovsky could also be
spelled with a "j," or a "y" instead of the double vowel; the "c" could
easily be a "k;" the "v" could be an "f," etc. If you haven't tried Stephen
Morse's search engine, <www.jewishgen.org/databases/EIDB/> you might want to
do that, instead of the actual Ellis Island site. It will allow you much
more flexibility.

3. Remember when searching, that immigrants came with
Yiddish/Hebrew/European first names. Be creative with spelling but remember
you are not looking for American names.

4. As many people on the Belarus SIG added, people often traveled
with false papers, and they took the names on them as their own. The
important thing to remember is that if names were changed, it was because
the individual chose to do so!

Good luck with your search.

Ilene Kanfer Murray
St. Louis, MO
Searching: KANFER in Horochov; PLITT/PLATT in Poritsk; WEISBERG in
Makhnovka; BOCHES in Pikov


Researching: LINCER in New York, NY #general

cdhowie1 <cdhowie1@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I am searching for information on the siblings, ancestors, and
other relatives of my grandmother, Ruth (Regina) LINCER. She
was born in New York City on August 9, 1915. Her parents were
Sam(?) Lincer and Sarah Friedman. Both of her parents were
probably born in Poland, possibly in Krakow.

I believe that she also had three younger brothers named Max,
Jack and Irwin. She also may have been a cousin of William Lincer,
a violist with the New York Philharmonic for many years.

I have not had much success researching either my grandmother or
the Lincer surname in general. Any information or advice would
be greatly appreciated!

Sincerely,

Clinton Howie
Baton Rouge, LA

MODERATOR NOTE: To increase your chances of success, don't forget
to list your surnames of interest in the JewishGen Family Finder,
http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/


Re: Yiddish Theatrical Alliance cemetery plot #general

Edward Rosenbaum <erosenbaum@...>
 

The Yiddish Theatrical Alliance plot is located in Mt Hebron
cemetery, which is in Queens. It is a very interesting plot
with tombstones engraved with theatrical markings (smiling/
frowning face, music staff and notes, etc). Many of the names
on these stones are clearly stage names.

Edward Rosenbaum Bergenfield, NJ erosenbaum@yahoo.com
Webmaster Belarus SIG (http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus)
Webmaster AGAD portion JRI-PL (http://www.jewishgen.org/JRI-PL/agad)
President JGS Bergen County NJ (http://erosenbaum.netfirms.com/jgsbc)
url: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Woods/4900/

Researching
AARONSON (Russia), BELLER (Slonim, Belarus), BUDNA/BUDNE (Brok and
Ostrow Maz Poland), GRUNDFAST (Belarus), HOFFMAN/OFMAN (Brok and
Ostrow Mazowiecka Poland), KRIEGEL, KRASALSHCHIK (Przasnysz, Poland),
NOVAK (Makow, Poland), ROSENBAUM (Svezhkovtse and Khmeleva, Galicia),
ROSOFF, ROTTENBERG (Galicia), SHATZ/SHISHATZKY/SZYSZACKI (Lunna and
Porozovo, Belarus), SILVERBLATT, YOSKOWITZ (Wyshkow, Poland)