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Rosanne Leeson

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Issue #140 of Genealo-J has just been published #germany

Georges Graner

Genealo-J, publication of the Jewish Genealogical Society of France,
Issue 140, December 2019 has just been published

Anne-Marie Fribourg noted that a large number of Jews left Lorraine
around 1850 and especially >from the city of Hellimer to go to Brazil.
Most of them were jewelers. Some settled in Brazil but most of them went
back to France later. They founded prosperous companies with a branch in
Brazil and another one in France. Among the families quoted by the
authors, one finds those of Mayer Cain dit Lambert, of Alexandre Abraham
Gerson, of Gerson Gerson, of Louis Ongre, of Simon Levy, of Edouard
Daniel, and of Samuel Lion. Detailed family trees are given for each of
these families.

Paul Misraki (1908-1998) was a very famous French composer just before
and just after World War II. Several of the songs he composed for the
band of Ray Ventura are still very popular in France nowadays. Genevive
Haroche-Bouzinac tells us Misrakiâ's life. Paul Misrachi (the original
spelling of his name) belongs to a wealthy family of Salonika but his
parents moved to Constantinople before his birth. In 1910, his father
was promoted to a position in Bucarest (Romania) where the whole family
settled. When Romania entered the war, life in Bucarest became dangerous
and they left the city in 1916. They made a very long travel by train
through Romania, Russia (Saint-Petersburg), Finland, Sweden, followed by
a boat trip to England and to Marseilles. Paul studies in Marseilles but
is much more interested by music than by the insurance company suggested
by his father. He begins to compose songs and in 1929 joins the band of
Ray Ventura, first as the pianist and later as the official composer of
the band. The band is more and more popular and makes many tours all
over Europe and North Africa. In May 1941, the German authorities banned
Ray Ventura and Paul Misraki, although Paul converted to catholicism in
1938. Ray Ventura was lucky enough to obtain visas for Brazil for his
whole group. Later, in 1945, Paul is retained by Hollywood where he
works with Marlene Dietrich, Jean-Pierre Aumont, and Maria Montez. He
then comes back to France where his whole family has been killed by the
Nazis. Ray Ventura’s band is dissolved in 1947. Thereafter, Paul becomes
essentially a movie film composer for many famous producers.

L’Alliance Israelite Universelle (AIU) was founded in 1860 to teach in
the French language the Jews of several countries in the Ottoman Empire,
Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, and Morocco. AIU has today an huge amount of
archives. A group of members of our Society has begun to analyze these
archives in order to help AIU and also to extract interesting
genealogical pieces of information. Philippe Danan presents what is done
concerning Morocco where AIU was implemented as early as 1862. In 1914,
28 schools were present in 13 cities of this country which concerned
more than 3000 boys and 2000 girls. .The available documents are
extremely heterogeneous : letters of directors or professors of schools
addressed to the parisian office of AIU, lists of pupils and
apprentices,notables, people financially helped, members of AIU, adults
attending evening lessons as well as descriptions of rites or
traditions. Our group insists on collecting all names, whatever their
origin. The task is huge and will take several years.

Georges Graner in France georges.graner@...

Re: Prenuptial agrreement #germany

Eva Lawrence

Abraham Liebmann's prenuptial agreement >from Trier expresses amounts in
two ways, where the first amount is 210% of the second. I've looked at
the original manuscript, and I think that the second, smaller amount is
in French francs, and the first denomination is francs el (e has an
acute accent) standing for ecu locale, i.e.. local-exchange francs,
which would be worth less.

Eva Lawrence, St Albans, UK eva.lawrence@...

Re: Surprising DNA results from Ancestry

Deborah Blankenberg

Sue Frank wrote: 
Jews from Mexico were more likely to have Sephardic origins than Ashkenazi. 
That actually depends on when they arrived there. Those who came in the 1400s and 1500s are likely to be Sephardic, but many Ashkenazi Jews fleeing persecution in Germany and other parts of Europe emigrated to Latin America in the first half of the 20th century. I used to work with a Cuban- born Jew, and I have cousins on my mother's side in Colombia, whose parents and grandparents went there from Germany to escape the Nazis. It wouldn't surprise me if there were Ashkenazim in Mexico as well. 
Deborah Blankenberg (JewishGen ID #613395)
Lodi, CA
Researching BLOCH/BLOCK (Germany to New York, Colombia and Missouri), BLINDER (Kishinev to New York via Poland? and Paris), KUSHER/KUSZER (Lodz vicinity to New York via Paris), GOLDSCHMIDT (Germany)

Re: Name change

Molly Staub

Check his naturalization papers online; both names are often written 

Re: Who has access to the LDS library? (I need a microfilm)

Elise Cundiff

I believe that he received the scan that he needed shortly after he posted.

Visiting Poland #poland


I’m going to a wedding in Poland in May. Does anyone have suggestions about publications on Jewish monuments in Warsaw and Krakow?  Suggestions about sites of Jewish interest elsewhere are welcome. I don’t plan to visit camps. Thanks. 

Re: ?????: [] Who has access to the LDS library? (I need a microfilm)

Robert Heuman

On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 00:32:30 +0000 (UTC), you wrote:

Everyone has access to the LDS library through their Family History Centers which are located throughout the United States in most large cities and many smaller ones.  To find the nearest one google Family History Center or use this link:
You can also include most larger communities in Canada. I know of the
large one in Toronto plus several smaller ones in the general Toronto
area, as well as one in the small town east of Hastings, Ontario, in the
local LDS church. So if in Canada, simply look for one as well via the
same sort of Google search.
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Re: Who has access to the LDS library? (I need a microfilm)

Dahn Cukier


I called them a few years ago and the closest LDS library
open to the public was in Cyprus. I suggest calling first,
the information may have changed.


When you start to read readin,
how do you know the fellow that
wrote the readin,
wrote the readin right?

Festus Hagen
Long Branch Saloon
Dodge City, Kansas

On Friday, January 3, 2020, 9:40:26 AM GMT+2, <asverdlove@...> wrote:

In Jerusalem is an LED Temple.  They might be able to help you.
Andrew Sverdlove

Correction. Gravez searching in Israel

Dahn Cukier

Yesterday I wrote that partial names can be entered in Gravez.
It seems that is incorrect. Just fill-in the fields you can.


When you start to read readin,
how do you know the fellow that
wrote the readin,
wrote the readin right?

Festus Hagen
Long Branch Saloon
Dodge City, Kansas

Re: Name change

Feige Stern

Look for his naturalization.  Often times it was an opportunity to change surnames.

Re: הנושא: [] Who has access to the LDS library? (I need a microfilm)

Bob Thompson

Everyone has access to the LDS library through their Family History Centers which are located throughout the United States in most large cities and many smaller ones.  To find the nearest one google Family History Center or use this link:

Re: Who has access to the LDS library? (I need a microfilm)

Banai Lynn Feldstein

Polish records have been digitized but they cannot be saved anymore, not the last time I tried. They will need to be screen captured or scanned from the film.

I live in Salt Lake City. I can scan them for $12 each if you only need one or a few, or $70 per hour if you need more.

Re: Surprising DNA results from Ancestry

Zora Moore

There is no one living that can answer these questions.  I was born in Saginaw Mi, Dec 1968.  No one knows why my mother was living there.  I was raised by my mother's great aunt from the age of 5.  My mother died when I was 8 from what I found out later as an adult from a drug over dose. 

HR * Legal/ID * Insurance

From: Ina Getzoff <mysticat2011@...>
Sent: Friday, January 3, 2020 12:26:12 PM
To: main@... <main@...>; Zora Moore <zora@...>
Subject: Re: Surprising DNA results from Ancestry
Is there anyone in your family that is still alive and might be able to help you begin looking back?  Do you have any pictures or paperwork regarding your parents that might be of help? Lately, many stories have been coming out after DNA testing that the parents that "we" thought were our biological parents actually are not. You don't indicate how old you are or where you grew up or with whom since you were very young when your mother passed away or if you actually knew your father. Those are questions that need to be answered and might be answered by the family that you lived with. 
Please post more information so our group can try and help you.
Ina Getzoff
JGSPBCI Secretary
Delray Beach, Fla.

Re: Surprising DNA results from Ancestry

Zora Moore

Thanks!  I did join that FB group. 

HR * Legal/ID * Insurance

From: Lisa <redball62@...>
Sent: Friday, January 3, 2020 9:14:21 PM
To: main@... <main@...>; Zora Moore <zora@...>
Subject: Re: Surprising DNA results from Ancestry
Dear Zora,
From your ethnicity breakdown it is apparent your birth father was Jewish. Since your mother was African American, it should be easy for you to sort out your maternal and paternal dna matches. You’ll need to determine your highest paternal match and from there your research will begin.
Might I suggest that before you reach out and contact any of your matches, that you join the Facebook group called DNA Detectives.
All Best,
Lisa Brahin Weinblatt

Re: Surprising DNA results from Ancestry


Lots of interesting responses to your post.  I always learn so much from the helpful insight of Jewish Gen members.  My offering is more directed to my personal approach to brick walls.  I suggest creating a timeline for your mother on a general genealogy site like ancestry focusing on city directories and if appropriate the census about the time of your conception and looking for anyone else living at her address.  If her workplace is listed, google that with the year of your conception and see if you can find her there...if so look for other workers there when she was there.  Any other information about your mother from relatives from this time period should also be explored for a recurring male name, for example where she worked, who were her best friends, did she attend a particular church, any volunteer activities like the Red Cross, or social clubs....all focused around the time of your conception.  Try google to pursue any clues you may find.   Don’t discard recurring female connections that may appear; they may have had brothers or cousins that are important.  I know it sounds tedious but it can yield surprising clues about your mother if not your birth father.  Good luck!

Going to Amsterdam?

Joel Alpert

If you are going to Amsterdam, Yizkor-Books-In-Print Project of
Jewishgen can highly recommend the book: "Lotty's Bench", written by
Gerben Post, that contains descriptions of 95 significant sites of
interest to Jews, particularly dealing with the Shoah. Even though
not published by Yizkor-Books-In-Print, we deem it so significant that
we want you to know about it. It wil add another dimension to your

To learn more, go to

Joel Alpert, Coordinator of the Yizkor-Books-In-Print Project

Re: Surprising DNA results from Ancestry


hi grandmbc, 
depending on when, in relation to say the potato famine, i suggest that your irish ancestor left ireland, met and married your jewish lady ancestor then returned to ireland? 
more likely than she going to wild west ireland independently. 

your irish and jewish ancestor might then have met in one of the england-irish ports liverpool, swansea etc

food for thought
dick fowler, 

Wissotzky tea company Moscow #southafrica


Dear Forum
Thank you to all those who replied on the 'smous' question.
I have another question re the Wissotzky tea company of Moscow.

In subsequent correspondence re the smous question, it seems that in the early
1900s before the Russian Revolution, money could be sent >from South Africa to
family in the Russian Empire, via the Jewish owned and very powerful and extensive
Wissotzky tea company of Moscow.

Does anyone have any other examples of money transfer via this company? Did they
have a bank? Was this unique or was it well known to transmit money in this way
I wonder? How exactly was money transferred >from South Africa to family at home
in Latvia, Lithuania and in Russia itself?

I look forward to hearing >from you.

Best wishes

Geraldine Auerbach MBE
T: 020 8907 1905 M: 07971 818 262

Re: Repatriation 1945-7: Russia to Poland

Tony Hausner

My greatgrandfather and his second wife were sent from Skala Podolski in the Ternopil region of Eastern Galicia (now Western Ukraine) to Siberia in 1939.  He died in 1944 and his second wife, survived and made it to Israel after the war but I do not know more about her other than my great-aunt filled out a form for the Yad Vashem about the two of them.