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Re: Surprising DNA results from Ancestry

joanmattson@...
 

Lots of interesting responses to your post.  I always learn so much from the helpful insight of Jewish Gen members.  My offering is more directed to my personal approach to brick walls.  I suggest creating a timeline for your mother on a general genealogy site like ancestry focusing on city directories and if appropriate the census about the time of your conception and looking for anyone else living at her address.  If her workplace is listed, google that with the year of your conception and see if you can find her there...if so look for other workers there when she was there.  Any other information about your mother from relatives from this time period should also be explored for a recurring male name, for example where she worked, who were her best friends, did she attend a particular church, any volunteer activities like the Red Cross, or social clubs....all focused around the time of your conception.  Try google to pursue any clues you may find.   Don’t discard recurring female connections that may appear; they may have had brothers or cousins that are important.  I know it sounds tedious but it can yield surprising clues about your mother if not your birth father.  Good luck!


Going to Amsterdam?

Joel Alpert
 

If you are going to Amsterdam, Yizkor-Books-In-Print Project of
Jewishgen can highly recommend the book: "Lotty's Bench", written by
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Re: Surprising DNA results from Ancestry

dfowler1953@...
 

hi grandmbc, 
depending on when, in relation to say the potato famine, i suggest that your irish ancestor left ireland, met and married your jewish lady ancestor then returned to ireland? 
more likely than she going to wild west ireland independently. 

your irish and jewish ancestor might then have met in one of the england-irish ports liverpool, swansea etc

food for thought
dick fowler, 


Wissotzky tea company Moscow #southafrica

geraldine.auerbach@...
 

Dear Forum
Thank you to all those who replied on the 'smous' question.
I have another question re the Wissotzky tea company of Moscow.

In subsequent correspondence re the smous question, it seems that in the early
1900s before the Russian Revolution, money could be sent >from South Africa to
family in the Russian Empire, via the Jewish owned and very powerful and extensive
Wissotzky tea company of Moscow.

Does anyone have any other examples of money transfer via this company? Did they
have a bank? Was this unique or was it well known to transmit money in this way
I wonder? How exactly was money transferred >from South Africa to family at home
in Latvia, Lithuania and in Russia itself?

I look forward to hearing >from you.

Best wishes
Geraldine

Geraldine Auerbach MBE
T: 020 8907 1905 M: 07971 818 262
geraldine.auerbach@...


Re: Repatriation 1945-7: Russia to Poland

Tony Hausner
 

My greatgrandfather and his second wife were sent from Skala Podolski in the Ternopil region of Eastern Galicia (now Western Ukraine) to Siberia in 1939.  He died in 1944 and his second wife, survived and made it to Israel after the war but I do not know more about her other than my great-aunt filled out a form for the Yad Vashem about the two of them.  


Re: Name change

Diane Jacobs
 

I would try Kings County and New York County civil court records.

The NY ones are in the Division of Old Records 7th Floor, 31 Chambers Street.

 

Also, try the New York Times, Brooklyn Eagle, and other newspapers as notices

were put in many NYC newspapers.  The Brooklyn Eagle is available on fultonhistory.org

Other newspapers can be found on Proquest from your local libary.

 

Good luck.

 

Diane Jacobs

 

 


From: main@... [mailto:main@...] On Behalf Of Calvin Ennis
Sent: Friday, January 3, 2020 10:02 PM
To: main@...; ask4rav@...
Subject: [JewishGen.org] Name change

 

My grandfather changed his name officially In Brooklyn about 1925 Where can I get proof for this
Thanks
Cal Ennis


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Diane Jacobs


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Re: Searching for the grave of my uncle in Israel

דוד לחמי
 


Re: Searching for the grave of my uncle in Israel

דוד לחמי
 


Repatriation 1945-7: Russia to Poland

shirley@...
 

I am interested to hear from people who travelled by train from Novosibirsk [or eastern Russia] to Poland or Germany immediately after WWII.  Conditions on the trains, what food was provided for families, how long the trip might have taken, routes, etc.   Perhaps 750,000 Jewish Poles were given 'free passage' 1945-1947 to return to their homes, as well as thousands of displaced Germans, and Russian soldiers who were sent to Siberian hospitals.  Surely there are accounts 'out there' to aid my research?

TIA,
Shirley Ginzburg

seeking:BOCKSER, SHLUGER [Shepetovka area], DALMATOV/SKY [Minsk Gubernia]


Re: Surprising DNA results from Ancestry

Lisa
 

Dear Zora,
From your ethnicity breakdown it is apparent your birth father was Jewish. Since your mother was African American, it should be easy for you to sort out your maternal and paternal dna matches. You’ll need to determine your highest paternal match and from there your research will begin.
Might I suggest that before you reach out and contact any of your matches, that you join the Facebook group called DNA Detectives.
All Best,
Lisa Brahin Weinblatt


Re: Surprising DNA results from Ancestry

Ina Getzoff
 

Alberto:
You are right in that genealogy is an individuals history but it is also the history of the family that they belong to-parents, grandparents, great grandparents, etc. Also, you are right in that the Jews have been everywhere for thousands of years.  DNA is now the "new kid on the block" so to speak and it is helping many of us to learn about our family history and in some cases the medical family history. 

I don't know if you have done any family research since you don't indicate if you have or where you are living and writing from but as a genealogist that has both been researching both my family and my husband's family for almost thirty years documenting migration using passenger records, census records, and family stories if they are available is just a few of the things that eventually tell someone who they are and where they came from.

If you have any further comments or want to carry on this conversation I would be more than glad to do so.

Ina Getzoff
Delray Beach, Fla.

On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 10:41 PM Alberto Guido Chester <agchester@...> wrote:
I am surprised by the several answers to this post, most of them trying to explain this individual story of a certain man and a certain woman having a certain, unique child, by using collective generalizations.

Genealogy, in my understanding, is the history of individuals. Sometimes those histories match general migration trends.

Most times they do not match anything, just a series of coincidences produced a journey, a destiny and a fate.

This is true specially for Jewish people,  who have been subject to diasporas ( greek for dispersion) and numerous migrations.

I suggest the primitive poster to search for her own history, insisting on family lore ( which she says there is not, but maybe its hidden in family secrets) or DNA searches. 

Since in the XX th C ( when the poster was born, most certainly), Jews have been everywhere, looking for migration trends will not help her. Look for your own story !

Hope this helps

Alberto Guido Chester
Buenos Aires, Argentina



Re: Surprising DNA results from Ancestry

Bob Silverstein
 

Hi Dave, 

Thanks for your interesting post.  Being Jewish is just like everything else in life: complicated.  Names can mislead.  Family stories can mislead.  I know of mixed marriages where the non-Jewish partners, converted or not, have more respect for Judaism than some born Jewish.  We cannot all live in Israel or Crown Heights and insulate ourselves from the non-Jewish world so we make certain accommodations to our own realities.  Does that make us any less Jewish?

DNA.  The data are often pretty convincing.  Endogamy is when things get messy.  When you say you may be cousins of your sisters-in-law, coming up a third or more degree cousin probably means you can add a few more degrees to the relationship.  From a Halachic standpoint, you are probably safe.  Any way, they are sisters-in-law and not a wife.

In Zora's case, I would bet that the ethnicity estimate is right.  She came up 51% European Jewish.  That is possible when one parent is 100% the same.  Unless someone knows otherwise, not a lot of wiggle room there.  Let us all hope Zora finds the answers she is looking for.

I hope you stay safe from the fires.
Bob


Re: Searching for the grave of my uncle in Israel

Peninah Zilberman
 

Shalom,
You should contact HEVREH KADISHA AKKO, this is the Burial Society 
Or the local City Hall, and they will direct you.
Good Luck
Peninah

Fundatia Tarbut Sighet
+40 74 414 5351
www.ftsighet.com


Re: Surprising DNA results from Ancestry

Alberto Guido Chester
 

I am surprised by the several answers to this post, most of them trying to explain this individual story of a certain man and a certain woman having a certain, unique child, by using collective generalizations.

Genealogy, in my understanding, is the history of individuals. Sometimes those histories match general migration trends.

Most times they do not match anything, just a series of coincidences produced a journey, a destiny and a fate.

This is true specially for Jewish people,  who have been subject to diasporas ( greek for dispersion) and numerous migrations.

I suggest the primitive poster to search for her own history, insisting on family lore ( which she says there is not, but maybe its hidden in family secrets) or DNA searches. 

Since in the XX th C ( when the poster was born, most certainly), Jews have been everywhere, looking for migration trends will not help her. Look for your own story !

Hope this helps

Alberto Guido Chester
Buenos Aires, Argentina



Re: 2019 Ukraine Year-End Update #ukraine

Hilary Henkin
 

Hi David,
I noticed you asked about "Ekaterinburg (Gatrinslove (sp), or Yekaterinoslav)."  I do believe that Ekaterinburg is an entirely different place than Ekaterinoslav.

Also, just FYI, in 2015 or 2016, since you seem to be keeping track of this stuff, Dnep... changed its name to "Dnipro."  Apparently the Petrovsk of "Dnepropetrovsk" was some communist hotshot back in the day, and the city wanted to divest from that relationship completely.  It probably didn't hurt that Dnipro is a whole lot easier to say and spell.... :-)

Your signature block includes Berlins in Detroit - Any links to Henkin?  Were they, by any chance, from Belarus (Mogilev)?

Happy New Year!

Hilary Henkin


On 1/3/2020 4:13 PM, David Syner wrote:
Phyllis,
Wondering if you have any information on Ekaterinburg (Gatrinslove (sp), or Yekaterinoslav)
thanks
David

Researching
SINER / ZINNER / ZINER New YorkBialystok

SCHMALTZ / SCHMALZ/SZMALZ New York, Luna, Grodno, Stoll, Rudman, Carbella ;Russia ( Grodno is now Hrodna, Belarus ) SCHULTZ TENN, AVES, Russia  POUSNER / POSNER, New York,Russia BERLIN Detroit BELENKY / BIELINKA / BELLINSKY Libau, Latvia , Mohilew  NEWMAN Detroit NEIMAN / NUONAW/ PENICA / PENITZ Krasosielc, Poland, Warshaw  MELTZERDetroit, Katrinslove or Poltavia or Gatrinslove (sp), Russia, or Yekahnislaw or Ekaterinoslau (Ekaterinoslav is now Dnipropetrovsk, Ukraine) DEITCH, Russia   RACHATAN/RACHIDSON /RUSICHAU / RUSICHAN / KrasechanDwinsk,Russia( Dwinsk is Daugavpils, Latvia) BELIAK/ BIELAK / BELAK Toronta, CanadaBreslaw, Slobotka,  Riga, Dwinsk


Re: 2019 Ukraine Year-End Update #ukraine

Peter Lebensold
 

Thanks, David, for making it so easy for the rest of us to scan your family's names.  I hope more posters will make that a habit -- it saves a great deal of time.

Peter
Toronto


Name change

Calvin Ennis
 

My grandfather changed his name officially In Brooklyn about 1925 Where can I get proof for this
Thanks
Cal Ennis