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Re: Brooklyn family

A. E. Jordan
 

Diane suggested some of the core databases to get started looking for a family in Brooklyn in the late 1800s/early 1900s.

Bout I would add one more basic starting point which is the newspapers and in this case he Brooklyn Eagle which is actually free online.  I put the family names Beulah Gross was asking about into the newspaper and instantly found the death notice for the mother and three of the children plus even a mention of an estate filed for one of the child. 

One of the death notices mentioned the burials too and by checking Find A Grave I spotted the graves of the husband, wife and most of the children.  Unfortunately there are no photos of the graves but there are dates.

With these added details Beulah has a lot of information to work in the databases.  Newspapers don't always work but I felt it was likely because of the early time frame and Brooklyn in those years was more of a small town.

Don't forget to look in newspapers as a starting point -- in this case it provided lots of details for the search.

Allan Jordan





-----Original Message-----
From: geniediane <geniediane@...>
To: main <main@...>; beulah144 <beulah144@...>
Sent: Fri, Jan 10, 2020 10:12 am
Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] Brooklyn family

Here are some of the options you have to do research in NYC
 
l. stevemorse.org   for passenger manifests, NYC vital records, NY State census records.
2. familysearch.org     the mormon site which is free but you have to register and keep your name
and password handy as it has to be put in every two weeks or so.
3. ancestry.com    which is a paid site but you can probably access it using a large public or
university library.
 
The last two have US census records from 1860 to 1940.
 
This should keep you busy for while.
 
Diane Jacobs
 
 
From: main@... [mailto:main@...] On Behalf Of Richard Gross
Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:09 PM
To: main@...
Subject: [JewishGen.org] Brooklyn family
 
10 January 2020

This is my first post and I hope someone will be able to assist me. I’m working on my husband’s family tree and history and need to find out more about some of his family who emigrated from Leeds , England to New York .

Samuel Gross and his wife, Jessie nee Sloman, were married on 19 January 1859 in Leeds and left almost immediately for America . They lived in Brooklyn where their four children were born viz. Hyman (1861); Rebecca (1865); Solemon Richard (1871) and Reuben (9 Feb 1875).

Hyman married Lillian (born April 1867 in Pennsylvania ) and they had two sons; Walter E (11 June1890-March 1964) and Howard J (12 July1897). Walter married Anne Strasser (May 1899, New York) and they had two sons; Stanley (1923) and Harold (1925).

I think Rebecca married Abraham Goldsmith but I’m not sure of this.

Solomon Richard married Etta but I don’t know any more about this couple.

I know nothing more about Reuben.

If anyone can help further I’d be most appreciative.

Beulah Gross (in Australia )

--
Diane Jacobs

Re: Looking for help please - searching great grandparents

Susan Millar
 

Hello Eva,

Thank you for your reply.   I will certainly look at JGSGB.

I do know of my greatgrandparents life once in England.
Mark was a Ladies Tailor and had several shops, one in Little Poland St, London and also at Ladbroke Grove, they lived above the shop.

I have never managed to find the arrival shipping manifest .  Given Harry & Rachel’s ages on the 1911 census, I have guessed an arrival year.

I have ordered a copy of Harry’s naturalisation certificate, hopefully I can learn something from that.

My mum tells me Esther was from Warsaw and Mark was a white Russian.

Thanks for your tips.

Susan
NZ



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From: Eva Lawrence <eva.lawrence@...>
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To: main@... <main@...>; susan_millar@... <susan_millar@...>
Subject: Re: Looking for help please - searching great grandparents
 
If you are investigating ancestors in London, the organisation to turn
to is JGSGB, the Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain, which is
affiliated to JewisGen. We have a website and a discussion group where
you can pose quections and get knowledgeable  advice.
My own advice would be to find out more about the couple's lives: His
trade or profession from censuses , the exact date of immigration
because,  the passenger list of the boat they arrived on would give
clues to their town of origin.  A signature on an image of an original
document would check the spelling of his name - and  dictionary of
Jewish surnames could suggest possible places of origin.

Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK
Re: Berkow Spitz

Sarah L Meyer
 

Death certificate records can be very inaccurate as people are grieving.  Where was this?  Can you find other records for her?  Was she the immigrant?  If so can you find her passenger arrival or naturalization papers? Census records?  Can you find her brother's death certificate or tombstone?  Which one(s) agree with hers?  What about other cousins/ aunts/uncles or family members who might know, are any still living?
Searching for Friedmans (and other variations of the name)

avifrier@...
 

A little more than a year ago, we discovered through Ancestry DNA that my grandfather had 2 families. While my father and his brother grew up believing that they were the only two children in their family, we now know they had 8 half siblings. It's also possible that there may be others.
 
I will provide the details as I know them, and if any of this sounds like it could match with a family history you know about, I'd love to hear from you.

  • 1890: Chaim/Hyman Friedman born in Russia (probably Minsk) to parents Israel and Sarah Friedman (I have found sources indicating that his mother's name was Sarah Grodenso and others where it was Sucy Schefterlowitz)
  • 1907: The Friedmans move to America. Israel & Sarah, with children Hyman, Harry, Bella, Ida aka Gasha, and Dora aka Doba
  • 1911: Hyman Friedman marries Sophie  Rosenzweig (sometimes listed as Rosenberg). They have 8 children: Lena, Ruth, Jenny, Dorothy, Jacob, Ada, Irving, and Theodore (Teddy). They live in the Bronx
  • 1928: Hyman Friedman deserts his family, moves to Chicago, changes his name to Herman Frier. Marries Sarah Markman; doesn't tell her about his other family. It seems that he may have left his NY family because he was in some legal trouble. There is a record of grand larceny charges against him being dismissed by a grand jury shortly before he disappeared.
  • 1931: My father Ralph is born to "Herman" and Sarah Frier in Chicago
  • 1933: Herman travels to New York "on business" where he proposes marriage to a woman named Tilly Ockman. They file a marriage license in NYC on which he is listed as Hyman Friedman M.D.. He takes $7300 worth of cash and jewelry from her and disappears (in today's dollars, he took about $140,000). 
  • 1934: My uncle Leonard is born to "Herman" and Sarah Frier in Cleveland (not sure when they moved there)
  • 1935 +/-: Herman, Sarah, and the boys move to Baltimore.
  • 1942: Herman is caught by NY authorities for his 1933 con of Tilly Ockman. Sentenced to 2-4 years in Sing Sing for Grand Larceny. My father and his uncle never saw him again and never knew until last year why he left them. During and after his time in prison he renewed his relationship with his first family.
  • 1951: Herman/Hyman Frier/Friedman dies
Of my father's 8 half siblings, 2 are still alive. We were very fortunate to enjoy a family (re)union last year, where we met our new cousins and began explore all of the crazy similarities one finds in a family.

In comparing notes with the "new" half siblings, it has come out that Herman/Hyman frequently left the family on business trips.
 
Between the things we know he did and the many trips during which no one knows what he did, it's possible that there are others who are also descended from him. If you have a sketchy Herman/Hyman/Chaim Friedman/Fried/Frier in your family history, I'd love to compare notes!
 
Thanks for your time,
 
Avi Frier
Hollywood, Florida
Re: GERNSHEIM family Holocaust survivors? #germany

Rod Miller <rpm@...>
 

According to this site showing the dispersion of family names in
Germany, there are currently up to 25 people with the last name GERNSHEIM
in 5 different towns in Germany.

https://www.kartezumnamen.eu/index.php?sur=Gernsheim&s=Suchen

So the family name lives on in Germany, albeit for very few people.

Regards, Rod Miller rpm@...
Finding out more about my black sheep relative from Rhineland area #germany

Jeanette R Rosenberg OBE
 

Dear GerSIG members

I'm currently looking for information about a black sheep relative
called Elias KRAKO, can you help me?

According to his death certificate, reference Koeln 1889/57, my 3
times Great Uncle Elias KRAKO, who was born on 14 November 1830 in
Hochneukirch, now part of Juechen (Rhineland) and who died on 6
January 1889 in Koeln, died in prison, at Klingelpuetz No. 51 in the
Altstadt part of the city. His death was apparently registered on the
basis of a written notice >from the royal prison director, Hoffmeister.
How can I find out more about all this? it sounds rather curious to
me, especially because he was supposed to have been living in London
at the time!

Elias was 58 years old when he died, and had been resident in London
UK, where 2 of his 7 children were living. He was the widower of
Amalia SASSERATH and had been a general dealer. (His sons in London
were an insurance salesman and a hairdresser.)

More information about this colourful character can be seen on the
website of Familienbuch Euregio:
http://www.familienbuch-euregio.de/genius?person=389271

where it is noted in Volume II of the book Juden in Moenchengladbach by
Gunter Erkens (on page 217) that in April 1864, Elias and his wife had been
wanted by the police for receiving stolen goods. It seems that Elias
had jumped out of the window and escaped, leaving his wife Amalia to
be arrested in his absence. It was however later reported that they
had both been punished for their crime. Ideally I am also looking for
a copy of the Gladbacher Zeitung for 24 April 1864 and 4 May 1864 to
read for myself about the matter that Erkens wrote about, He referred
to that paper and on those dates. (I own a copy of all 3 volumes of
Erkens' book.)

Will I be able to find an online copy of the newspaper or what library
can I approach to order a copy of the relevant articles?

As to what happened at the time of Elias; death, I'm stumped! All
ideas for where to look for more information are welcome!

For those members of my family reading this, Elias was a brother in
law to Regina (born FALKENSTEIN) KRAKO, who was the subject of my
previous posting. I'm still looking for her death certificate, but
thank you again to everyone who has tried to help me with suggestions
and ideas.

Jeanette R Rosenberg OBE, London UK jeanette.r.rosenberg@...
Re: Looking for help please - searching great grandparents

Eva Lawrence
 

If you are investigating ancestors in London, the organisation to turn
to is JGSGB, the Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain, which is
affiliated to JewisGen. We have a website and a discussion group where
you can pose quections and get knowledgeable advice.
My own advice would be to find out more about the couple's lives: His
trade or profession from censuses , the exact date of immigration
because, the passenger list of the boat they arrived on would give
clues to their town of origin. A signature on an image of an original
document would check the spelling of his name - and dictionary of
Jewish surnames could suggest possible places of origin.

Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK
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Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK.
Book JEWISH-FOREIGNERS IN THE SOUTH OF UKRAINE #bessarabia #ukraine

Inna Vayner
 

Dear JewishGenners, I'd like to share with you that there is a new book that expected to be published soon about JEWISH-FOREIGNERS IN THE SOUTH OF UKRAINE. This is a first comprehensive study of Jewish foreigners in southern Ukraine from the late XVIII to the early XX centuries by historian Yulia Prokop. 

The book is about Jews who came to the cities of southern Ukraine (#Odessa, #Nikolaev, #Kherson, #Elisavetgrad), having foreign citizenship. The book is in RUSSIAN LANGUAGE and has 400 pages. It consists of two equal parts: the main text and appendices. In the appendices - mainly personal data about foreign Jews.

The book has over 300 illustrations including copies of documents, portraits of Jewish foreigners and their descendants. These documents were extracted from archival files and from family archives of the descendants of some families. Most documents and photographs are published first time.

There are 24 tables in the book, they are mainly placed in the appendices and contain lists of Jewish foreigners that had been gathered by the author during 10 years period . There are also tables with statistics.

The source database includes:
- more than 1000 cases from 84 funds of 13 archives of Ukraine, the Russian Federation and #Moldova,
- various pre-revolutionary publications (laws of the Russian Empire, student lists, Russian medical lists, address calendars, reference books, etc.),
- periodical press,
- narrative sources.

The book will be tentatively published by Februrary 1, 2020 and is printed by subscription only. The price of the book is $20. For details regarding payment for the book and international shipping, please contact Yulia Prokop at yulia13.prokop@.... 
Re: Rostov #lithuania

Stanislav Gorbulev <gorbulev@...>
 

Hi Dennis,

if you mean Rostov-on-Don, then you're lucky-there are 3 volumes, compiled
on the basis of the first All-Russia census of 1897. They contain family
lists of Jews living in Rostov. Most of these lists indicate when and >from
where the family moved to Rostov. If you send me more details on the person
you are looking for - I'll try to find his family in these books (I have
copies).

Stanislav Gorbulev
Mainz, Germany
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Subject: Governmental sources in Rostov=0A=
From: Dennis Private <dennisgelpe@...>
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 10:36:44 +0200

My grandfather and GGF came >from Vilna. Using the resources provided
by LitvakSIG via JewishGen, I have been able to trace my lineage as
far back as my GGGF. Thanks!

Recently though, I have been in contact with people who I believe are
related, same family name [passport family name of one family
member,in Cyrillic, is the same as on my GF's internal passport], same
origins, yet live/have lived in Rostov since sometime around WW2.
Sadly, there is no one alive, in that branch of the family who knows
anything about their family other than the name of an ancestor who
lived somewhere >from 187- to 1916 (?), and are not sure whether he was
the first relative to arrive in Rostov. Thus we have not been able to
ascertain a common ancestor, the name is unusual enough.

My question is whether anyone knows if there are governmental
immigration or residential sources in Rostov that could indicate
origins of residents or names with dates.

Dennis Gelpe

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.
Re: Illegal Transport Passenger Lists

Sniderlh
 

Hi Helen,

Thank you for your response to my inquiry.  The book you mention sounds interesting.  Do you know if there is an English translation?  If the book contains a list of all on the transport it would be of great interest to me.  The woman I am trying to see about being in that group is, Rosa Heilpern (nee Licthenfeld).  I don't know if they just list names, or where they were from, etc., but here is some more information, if needed. I know that names are also often spelled differently. She departed from Vienna, was born in Bratislava, 17 Jan 1909, and was married to Hans Heilpern. I would appreciate your looking to see if she was on the list.

Sincerely,

Leah Heilpern Snider, USA
This week's Yizkor book excerpt on the JewishGen Facebook page

Bruce Drake
 

“My Mother’s Reminiscences of her Shtetl,” from the Yizkor book of Yedwabne (Poland), is a remembrance by noted scholar William W. Brickman who was born on New York’s Lower East Side in 1913. This excerpt is animated by the mother, Chayeh Soreh, whose “unparalleled sense of humor expressed itself in rhymes, bilingual puns, and stories” which Brickwell recounts in Yiddish along with the English translation. A priceless one is the comment she would make after going to a wedding or Bar Mitzvah meal that was wanting: "Fish un flaysh ayin lo roassa, tish un benk azay vi holtz," or “No one ever saw fish and meat, but tables and benches were as abundant as wood.” Immigrants on the Lower East Side whose practice of Jewish law in America did not match their standard in the Old Country would be characterized as follows : "In der haym, az er hot gehaysen Mendel, hot men gemegt essen fun zyn fendel; in Amerikeh, az men ruft em Max, meg men by em nor essen lox," or, “In Europe, where he was known by the Jewish name of Mendel, one could eat everything at his home; in America, with the non-Jewish name of Max, one can eat only smoked salmon.”  


Bruce Drake
Silver Spring MD

Researching: DRACH, EBERT, KIMMEL, ZLOTNICK
Towns: Wojnilow, Kovel
Re: Brooklyn family

Diane Jacobs
 

Here are some of the options you have to do research in NYC

 

l. stevemorse.org   for passenger manifests, NYC vital records, NY State census records.

2. familysearch.org     the mormon site which is free but you have to register and keep your name

and password handy as it has to be put in every two weeks or so.

3. ancestry.com    which is a paid site but you can probably access it using a large public or

university library.

 

The last two have US census records from 1860 to 1940.

 

This should keep you busy for while.

 

Diane Jacobs

 

 

From: main@... [mailto:main@...] On Behalf Of Richard Gross
Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:09 PM
To: main@...
Subject: [JewishGen.org] Brooklyn family

 

10 January 2020

This is my first post and I hope someone will be able to assist me. I’m working on my husband’s family tree and history and need to find out more about some of his family who emigrated from Leeds, England to New York.

Samuel Gross and his wife, Jessie nee Sloman, were married on 19 January 1859 in Leeds and left almost immediately for America. They lived in Brooklyn where their four children were born viz. Hyman (1861); Rebecca (1865); Solemon Richard (1871) and Reuben (9 Feb 1875).

Hyman married Lillian (born April 1867 in Pennsylvania) and they had two sons; Walter E (11 June1890-March 1964) and Howard J (12 July1897). Walter married Anne Strasser (May 1899, New York) and they had two sons; Stanley (1923) and Harold (1925).

I think Rebecca married Abraham Goldsmith but I’m not sure of this.

Solomon Richard married Etta but I don’t know any more about this couple.

I know nothing more about Reuben.

If anyone can help further I’d be most appreciative.

Beulah Gross (in Australia)


--
Diane Jacobs
Re: Bessarabia SIG #Bessarabia Re: bessarabia digest: December 08, 2011 #bessarabia

Inna Vayner
 

Hi Janet, please check the Kehilalinks site for Tiraspol. https://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/tiraspol/PEO_InTheEra.asp
JGS of Long Island Meeting

Jackie Wasserstein
 




JEWISH GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY OF LONG ISLAND

Next Meeting Topic Is:

“The Key to Our Future Is to Remember”…Our Past –The Veterans’ Testimonial Project.

 

            Guest Speaker: Edna Susman

 

Edna Susman is a longtime reference librarian at the Half Hollow Hills Community Library in Dix Hills.

She created the Veterans Testimonial Project in 2014, to preserve the memories and experiences of our veterans.  Over 115 veterans from every military branch and conflict since World War II have been interviewed and their stories recorded, so future generations will be able to learn of their dedicated service and sacrifices, 

 

Edna is a graduate of Indiana University and received a Master in Library Science from Syracuse University.  After 5 years at the Library of Congress, she moved to Long Island, where she has worked at college and public Libraries.

 

  Sunday, January 26 at 2:00 pm

MID ISLAND Y JCC

45 MANETTO HILL ROAD

PLAINVIEW, NEW YORK

WWW.MIYJCC.ORG

 

Admission is free and all are Welcome.  Our “Mavens” are available at 1:30 PM to take your genealogy questions.

 

Jackie Wasserstein

 Past President
Searching Derder / Dudek from Tarnow to New York 1947-1951

mireille.podchlebnik@...
 

Hello from Paris

 

I am searching the descendants of a man whose first name was Derder and nickname Dudek. He was from Tarnow and after the war, he emigrated to USA in 1947 with a ship from Stockholm. My mother Rywa Schwarz was a friend of him and kept these pictures. Some of the pictures were taken in Poland and some were sent from New York ca 1948-1951.

Thanks for your help.

Mireille Podchlebnik
Workshop on reading handwritten Yiddish

Eric Cooper
 

https://ingeveb.org/blog/announcing-intensive-workshop-on-reading-handwritten-yiddish
Brooklyn family

Richard Gross
 

10 January 2020

This is my first post and I hope someone will be able to assist me. I’m working on my husband’s family tree and history and need to find out more about some of his family who emigrated from Leeds, England to New York.

Samuel Gross and his wife, Jessie nee Sloman, were married on 19 January 1859 in Leeds and left almost immediately for America. They lived in Brooklyn where their four children were born viz. Hyman (1861); Rebecca (1865); Solemon Richard (1871) and Reuben (9 Feb 1875).

Hyman married Lillian (born April 1867 in Pennsylvania) and they had two sons; Walter E (11 June1890-March 1964) and Howard J (12 July1897). Walter married Anne Strasser (May 1899, New York) and they had two sons; Stanley (1923) and Harold (1925).

I think Rebecca married Abraham Goldsmith but I’m not sure of this.

Solomon Richard married Etta but I don’t know any more about this couple.

I know nothing more about Reuben.

If anyone can help further I’d be most appreciative.

Beulah Gross (in Australia)
Berkow Spitz

Stuart Kaufer
 


On my Maternal GM death certificate from 1937 her parents are listed as Joseph Berkow and Julia Spitz, from Nagytarna Hungary.   Her tombstone indicates her father was Moshe Dov not Joseph.  The information about her parents was provided by her son Morris who is dead.  Could this have been a clerical error on part of funeral home.  She was Rose Friedman Stein, had a brother David Friedman.  Any ideas?
All Bronx and Queens naturalization records to be digitized and transcribed up to 1952, through new NARA grant

Asparagirl
 

Good news for people researching New York ancestors:

The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) just awarded a grant in their latest cycle to digitize all the Bronx AND Queens naturalization records! All the way up through 1952! Other boroughs and some other areas of New York have these naturalizations online, but not these two, so this would be very welcome.

The grant is to: "Unified Court Systems of New York State to support digitizing and making available freely online over 400,000 naturalization records (1794-1952) from the boroughs of Queens and the Bronx. The project will work with the New York City Public Library’s Queens and Bronx branches and with history students recruited by St. John’s University to transcribe additional metadata."

Full story here:

(A commenter on Facebook astutely noted that NARA's description of the sponsoring organizations may be slightly incorrect, as the Queens Public Library is separate from the New York City Public Library [NYPL].)

This grant is just one of 29 grants that NARA awarded recently, although it's one of the three or four biggest in this cycle. The full list of new records grants is here:
https://www.archives.gov/nhprc/awards/awards-11-19

It's interesting to note how many of those smaller grants are going to groups (state councils, historical records advisory boards, etc.) whose total membership is probably *less* than many of the genealogy societies whose members read this listserve. So if you have a project in mind for some sort of unique or valuable or extremely useful records you'd like to see digitized or indexed from your state or city, your JGS might want to seriously think about applying to NARA for grant funding for future years.


- Brooke Schreier Ganz
Mill Valley, California
Re: הנושא: [JewishGen.org] Who has access to the LDS library? (I need a microfilm)

joseph just
 

Unfortunately are correct. Alot of records that were available at one point have been withdrawn. It seems we are going backwards on this.

R. Just
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