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Maiming to Avoid the Russian Draft?

Jeff Marx
 

Dan Leeson’s thoughtful JewishGen Info File, “Military Conscription in Russia in the 19th Century” (find by clicking on “Get Started” button at top of JewishGen homepage, then click “InfoFiles,” and then click “Military”), raises the question as to whether the maiming of Jewish males (i.e. cutting off a finger or crushing toes) to avoid the Russian draft in the last decades of the 19th century, actually occurred or was a Jewish myth, like the myth about name changes at Ellis Island. I have such a story in my own family. My grandfather wrote in his autobiography: “My uncle [b.c.1847 from Kupel, Russia] avoided the draft by chopping off his right thumb. As a child, while sitting on his lap [c.1896], I noticed the missing thumb.  It was years later that I heard the story from him.”  I’d like to hear from any of you if you have a story in your family about such maiming occurring.

--
Jeff Marx
Researching ANSPACHER, AUGAPHEL, AUGENBLICK, BREAKSTONE, BREGSTEIN, CARLEBACH, HIEGENLICH, KUBELSKY, MARX


Trying to contact Yulia Prokop

Jeffrey Knisbacher
 

   How can you contact Yulia Prokop to purchase her book when all we are given in the several announcements is the incomplete email address yulia13.prokop@...?  


Re: Once upon a time there was a moderator for this group.....

Hilary Henkin
 

I think there's a Murphy's law about that, if you're correcting someone's grammar or spelling, you'll have a typo of your own.

(Yes, I read this post 3 times before clicking Send....)

;-D

Hilary Henkin

Researching:
Mogilev - BERLIN;  BELIISKI;  HENKIN - GENKIN;  MESCENIKOV;  POZ - POZE
Ekaterinoslav (Dnipro) - KATZ; LAPIDUS;  LAVROTIN - LAVRUTIN - AVRUTIN;  PESACHINSKY; SHIMERNITSKY - SEMERNITSKY;  STEINHART
Roumania:  DONNENFIELD;  DOLLINGER;  RINCOVER - HARINCOVER;  WISENTHAL - VIESENTAUL
Harbin, China:  FELDMAN;  PENZNER;  SREBERK - SCHRIEBER;
Lublin, Poland:  KATZ;  JARMUSZ



On 1/16/2020 8:30 AM, fredelfruhman wrote:
Mr. Ives,

You said it all so well!

I find it amusing that your one typo -- I didn't go looking, but it just jumped out at me -- is genealogy-related.  You suggest that a composer check the "spelling, punctuation, and the gramma ...".   Shouldn't Gramma be capitalized?  And why leave out Grandpa?

:).

Now if people will only follow your valuable suggestions.

Fredel Fruhman
Brooklyn, NY

(not currently researching, but helping on ViewMate)


Re: The Zamosc Memorial Book is now On Line

Professor Yitzchak Kerem
 

How do I get to the Zamosc book. I see no link on Jewishgen.
Thanks
Prof. Yitzchak Kerem


Re: Once upon a time there was a moderator for this group.....

Joan A. Baronberg
 

I agree with everything Joel and Vivian wrote—and am including Vivian’s message below.
I do note that the formatting on these emails has improved somewhat recently so there must be a Moderator somewhere and at some times. Let’s get transparency on this issue.

Joan A. Baronberg, Denver, CO, USA
Suchostav, Ukraine
Mester, Weiser, Friedman

3b. 
Re: Once upon a time there was a moderator for this group..... 
From: Vivian Kahn
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 14:56:46 EST 

Thank you, Joel! There should be one or more skilled moderators for this list and all others that JewishGen sponsors. However, those who send messages need to pay attention to what they’re doing. An informative subject line is essential, surnames (and nothing else) need to be in upper case, and, if one is responding to a previous message, the original message should be copied and pasted as a quotation.

Vivian KAHN
Santa Rosa, California



A big thank you

Gayle Schlissel Riley
 

Genealogist love to be private detectives..I am not good at passenger list..I am so happy some good people came thru. We give back what we can. I shared all I knew for the Tarnobrzeg page and Manage Landowner records. It is nice to finally find out how my grandfather got to the US.. You are all appreciated..Gayle


Re: Passenger arrival records

Myrna Goodman
 

If it was Detroit perhaps they came through Canada.
 
--
Myrna Goodman, PhD


Re: Once upon a time there was a moderator for this group.....

LOUISE HAJDENBERG
 

This is what I am responding to: 
Glenda wrote “I agree with Vivian on her points above, except that the person replying should cut and paste the original message in the reply. I tested this with this reply, and to make it easier to do, you need to cut the content, hit reply to the list, then paste. Where to paste?:  at the top or below your reply (actual or reverse chronological).  This could also lead to incomplete threads when some reply doing this and some don't. 
Back in the day, I appreciated seeing the full thread”

I agree Glenda  but in actuality it is the not ready for prime time system that should still be in beta that doesn’t do that for us. It is pure frustration.
Louise Hajdenberg


Re: Do you keep passports?

bernerfolk
 

Link to border crossing manifest for Nathan Wiesenfeld (his wife arrived with Chawe).  He's going to his B-I-L at 396 Hastings, no name given, but...
further down the list is Marcus Eder who is a US citizen, also going to 396 Hastings. 

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1075&h=5916440&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=fsM2614&_phstart=successSource

Finally, link to border crossing for Pinkas (indexed as Tinka Schlussel) , going to his brother Marcus in NY. 

https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1075/m1464_5-0038/132468?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.com%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdbid%3d1075%26gsln%3dsch*l%26gsln_x%3d1%26msady%3d1899%26msady_x%3d1%26msadm%3d8%26msadm_x%3d1%26msadd%3d12%26msadd_x%3d1%26msapn__ftp%3dquebec%252c%2bcanada%26msapn%3d5009%26hc%3d20%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26uidh%3de31%26redir%3dfalse&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

and, border crossing for Meyer Schissel (likely the husband Sara and ch are going to the following spring).  He's going to his brother Moses in NY.

https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1075/m1464_3-0484?pid=66386&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3DfsM2626%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D1075%26gsln%3Dsch*l%26gsln_x%3D1%26msady%3D1899%26msady_x%3D1%26msadm%3D8%26msadm_x%3D1%26msadd%3D12%26msadd_x%3D1%26msapn__ftp%3Dquebec,%2520canada%26msapn%3D5009%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1%26uidh%3De31%26redir%3Dfalse%26msT%3D1%26gss%3Dangs-d%26pcat%3D40%26fh%3D11%26h%3D66386%26recoff%3D%26ml_rpos%3D12&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=fsM2626&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&_ga=2.248129664.642911791.1579200846-1859318226.1534280181

Sherri Venditti
The Berkshires, USA


Re: Once upon a time there was a moderator for this group.....

Glenda Rubin
 

Vivian Kahn wrote:
Thank you, Joel! There should be one or more skilled moderators for this list and all others that JewishGen sponsors. However, those who send messages need to pay attention to what they’re doing. An informative subject line is essential, surnames (and nothing else) need to be in upper case, and, if one is responding to a previous message, the original message should be copied and pasted as a quotation.
Vivian KAHN
Santa Rosa, California

I agree with Vivian on her points above, except that the person replying should cut and paste the original message in the reply. I tested this with this reply, and to make it easier to do, you need to cut the content, hit reply to the list, then paste. Where to paste?:  at the top or below your reply (actual or reverse chronological).  This could also lead to incomplete threads when some reply doing this and some don't. 
Back in the day, I appreciated seeing the full thread.

Glenda Rubin
Richmond, CA, USA

--
Glenda Rubin
San Francisco Bay Area
Researching: STRYZEWSKI, STRAUSS, JANOFSKY, JANOFF, OBODOV, WERNICK, GREENBERG, KROCHAK. Shtetls: Lipovets, Ilintsy, Pliskov, Starokonstantinov, Krasilov


Re: Passenger arrival records

bernerfolk
 

Found the US manifest (below).  When immigrants arrived in Canada for transit to the US they went through the standard process conducted by US immigration agents as they would have if they'd arrived at Ellis Island.  They were issued admittance passes which they then had to present on the train to their US destination. 

Note that the two  families listed above Chawe; Sara Schlissel & ch, and Ester Wiesenfeld & ch, are all from Tarnobrzeg and all going to their husbands at the same address, 340 Hastings.  Pretty good bet these are relatives.

https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1075/m1464_6-0148?pid=2421957&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D1075%26h%3D2421957%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DfsM2562%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=fsM2562&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&_ga=2.248187264.642911791.1579200846-1859318226.1534280181

Sherri Venditti
The Berkshires, USA


Re: Passenger arrival records

bernerfolk
 

Here's a link to Chawe, Hersch, and Chaim leaving Liverpool for Quebec.  There should be a border crossing document into the US but I haven't found it yet, those records and indexes are spotty.

Sorry if you don't have easy access to Ancestry, I don't see the record on FS...they may not have the outbound manifests.

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=2997&h=44517327&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=fsM2560&_phstart=successSource

Sherri Venditti
The Berkshires, USA


Re: Liski, Kolomea

Renee Steinig
 

Gesher Galicia's Galician Town Locator (https://www.geshergalicia.org/galician-town-locator/), which lists all towns located in the Austrian crown land of Galician in 1900, includes a Liski near Kolomea (now Kolomyya).

It's probably the town that the JewishGen Gazetteer (https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/LocTown.asp) shows as Leski, Ukraine -- about 8 miles north of Kolomyya. On GoogleMaps, the spelling is Lisky.

The JewishGen distance is "as the crow flies." By car it's at least 13 miles, depending on the route.

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills NY
genmaven@...

Hannah Sperber <naturefan33@...> wrote:

A town that was part of Austrian Empire and now is in the Ukraine.
Does anyone know the present day name of this town?


Re: What happened to threads?

jbonline1111@...
 

Are you signed into the website?  You may not see the threads if you are not signed in.  


Re: Once upon a time there was a moderator for this group.....

Vivian Kahn
 

Thank you, Joel! There should be one or more skilled moderators for this list and all others that JewishGen sponsors. However, those who send messages need to pay attention to what they’re doing. An informative subject line is essential, surnames (and nothing else) need to be in upper case, and, if one is responding to a previous message, the original message should be copied and pasted as a quotation.

Vivian KAHN
Santa Rosa, California


Re: Passenger arrival records

Susan&David
 

I believe I may have found the Shlissel family on Ancestry's Canadian Border Crossings.  The ship is the Tunisian, arriving Quebec  on May 19, 1900. 
Destination is Pincus Shlissel 340 Hastings St. Detroit. There are two other families on the same manifest going to that same address.

David Rosen
Boston, MA


On 1/15/2020 10:28 PM, Gayle Schlissel Riley via Groups.Jewishgen.Org wrote:
Can someone help me find my grandfather's arrival records..I have tried but got no where..Hersch Schlissel born 1896 in Tarnobrzeg. his mother was Goldie/Chawa maiden name EDER.. They went to Detroit to father Pincus/Paul I figure they came into NYC They arrived in 1900..Please help me.. Passenger lists are the hardest..Thanks


Re: Passenger arrival records

RichardWerbin
 

Do you have an ancestry subscription?
If you do not have an ancestry account you can probably find this at familysearch.org
manifest

Hirsh Schlussel age 4
 in the U.S., Border Crossings from Canada
with mother Chave  age 28 & brother Chaim age 6 going to father Pincus at 340 Hastings? St.


Name: Hirsh Schlussel
Gender: Male
Age: 4
Record Type: Manifests
Birth Date: abt 1896
Arrival Date: 19 May 1900
Port of Arrival: Quebec, Canada
Ship Name: Tunisian
Residence Place: Gaifarnobrez
Line Number: 18


Re: What happened to threads?

Sue Martin
 

Got it - you will only see this button if there is at least one additional message in the thread.  Otherwise, there's nothing.


ViewMate translation request - Roumanian #romania

David (Toshiba) <dhcperso@...>
 

I request a translation of the Roumanian text on a 5 letter pages. It is on
ViewMate at the following address
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM76692 also 76693 to
76396

Please respond using the online ViewMate form.

Thank you so much,

Yours David Cohen


ViewMate translation request - Hungarian #hungary

Omri Arnon
 

Dear group,

My great great grandfather was Herman Friedmann, who was a Cantor
(chazan) in Subotica. I just found his death registration and would
very much appreciate a translation.

It is on ViewMate at the following address
...http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM76689

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

Thank you very much.

Omri Arnon
Israel