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Re: Pale of Settlement

olandm@...
 

Would be very interested in reading through your book, but the cost (as listed on Amazon) is way out there, especially the kindle version ($139!). Is it available in public libraries? Thanks. Mark Oland


Re: Given Names Database

nigel wilson <wilsonettess@...>
 

It's been driving me nuts too - it came back on again a week or so ago then went down again.

Patricia Wilson (Israel)


JewishGen Education offers new class February 2 - February 23 #usa

Nancy Holden
 

JewishGen offers the popular class, "Brick Wall or Dead End",
starting February 2 - February 23

Frustrated and at a Loss ? Are you at a Dead End or just experiencing
a Brick Wall? Are you stumped by a small detail or is there a major
block you can't break through?

Take a class. Work with an expert to review and analyze your data.
Our classes are open 24/7 and taught in a private forum.

The Tuition is $150. Registration is open. Enrollment is limited.

For more information
https://www.jewishgen.org/education/description.asp?course=40201

Requirements: Students must have done enough research to have reached
a point where help is needed. Students should feel comfortable with
computers and Internet searches.

If you have questions, you may send the instructor an introduction to
your brick wall (names, dates and places) and pinpoint your road block
or dead end to see if this is the class for you.

Send questions
JewishGen-Education@lyris.JewishGen.org

To Register: https://www.jewishgen.org/education/edu-courses.asp

Nancy Holden
Director of Education
www.JewishGen.org/education


JewishGen Education offers new class February 2 - February 23 #germany

Nancy Holden
 

JewishGen offers the popular class, "Brick Wall or Dead End",
starting February 2 - February 23

Frustrated and at a Loss ? Are you at a Dead End or just experiencing
a Brick Wall? Are you stumped by a small detail or is there a major
block you can't break through?

Take a class. Work with an expert to review and analyze your data.
Our classes are open 24/7 and taught in a private forum.

The Tuition is $150. Registration is open. Enrollment is limited.

For more information
https://www.jewishgen.org/education/description.asp?course=40201

Requirements: Students must have done enough research to have reached
a point where help is needed. Students should feel comfortable with
computers and Internet searches.

If you have questions, you may send the instructor an introduction to
your brick wall (names, dates and places) and pinpoint your road block
or dead end to see if this is the class for you.

Send questions
JewishGen-Education@lyris.JewishGen.org

To Register: https://www.jewishgen.org/education/edu-courses.asp

Nancy Holden, Director of Education www.JewishGen.org/education


Researching GUNDELFINGER from Southern Germany #germany

research@...
 

Hello Gersig

Can someone help me with the following?

I am trying to locate the birth, marriage and death records of my Great
Grandparents; possibly in Bavaria, Baden-Wuerttemberg or Rhineland
Palatinate

My grandfather Abraham GUNDELFINGER was born in Ulm on 15 April 1870.
I have his birth certificate

His parents were Heinrich GUNDELFINGER who I think was born in 1830 but I
have no other details

He married Karoline MAIER and I have no details about her at all

These are the two people who I am trying to trace. Can anyone assist?
Alternatively, can anyone put me in touch with a genealogist who
undertakes this type of work?

This is information that I have been asked to provide to the
Bundesverwaltungsamt in Cologne

Thank you in advance

Andrew Gundelfinger, Mill Hill, London, England research@gundelfinger.co.uk


Re: Buying false papers

Evelyn Fabrikant
 

I posted once before about my father who tried to buy false papers from a Jewish forger is Sosnovitz after escaping from Russian army where he was impressed after escaping from German labor train from Sarny/Ukraine. Trying to find the names of small group he crossed Europe with -from Sosnovitz to Italy
I’m posting a photo of one man
My father is the one being choked
This is in Rome sometime after 1945 and before February 1948

Evelyn Fabrikant
Manalapan NJ


Re: Tracking a passenger across the Atlantic through England

Steve Stein
 

Thanks to all who responded, especially David Rosen who found my guy by tracing his manifest neighbor across England and into New York. Ancestry had mangled his surname.

Steve Stein


Viewmate Yiddish Translations

Mark Michaels
 

4 linked photograph captions. You will see a couple of kind
translation responses pasted below but they have gaps. Any advice to
fill those gaps very much appreciated.

Pic ending 512
Viewmate 77839

: This photo was taken ...
we traveled to meet our ...
your ??? grandmother Chashe ???

Pic ending 511
Viewmate 77838

1 year after our wedding in "Konigsberg" ???
??? Hoshe of blessed memory from New York
Month Sivan May 20 1907


Pic ending 509
Viewmate 77836

This photo was taken 1 year after our wedding in "Konigsberg" (?here?)
we traveled to meet our brother Hoshe of blessed memory from New York
your ??? grandmother Chashe 1st day of the month Sivan May 20 1907

Pic ending 510
Viewmate 77837

Enye [?] Schwartzman
Some Yiddish dialects turn don't aspirate the "H".
This woman was probably named "Henia" or Henieh, pronounced "Eniyeh"

With thanks in anticipation

Mark

Mark J Michaels
Montgomery Wales

Researching:
MICHAELS or MITCHELL originally MICHALOWICZ from ZAKROCZYM and
ABRAHAMS from MLAWA
LEEK and TELLER from GRONINGEN
BERNSTEIN and LEVY from SIERPC
LANG from DURMENACH
SCHNEIDERMANN, DANNENBERG, HART, ISAACS, PHILLIPS, HYAMS, MYERS GREENBURG


Russian translation

Ilana Avimor
 

 
I've posted 3 vital records in Russian for which I need translation of names, dates and ages. It is on ViewMate at the following addresses
 
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much.
Ilana Meler Avimor
Hod Hasharon, Israel
 


Re: Tracking a passenger across the Atlantic through England

Jill Whitehead
 

Another important area to bear in mind is the double emigration from Eastern Europe to the UK that took place firstly between about 1860 and 1900, and then the secondary emigration from the UK to USA and Canada during 1904/5/6. This is largely ignored by academic researchers but there was a lot of it.  Those who settled in the UK were encouraged to take out naturalisation papers, but it was not compulsory, and some towns had naturalisation quotas, and it was expensive. For my family, three of my four great grandfathers took out naturalisation, including one who made three attempts before he succeeded (he moved from Hull to Grimsby to do this).   The 4th joined a Naturalisation Society in Manchester, but did not take it any further. In Liverpool, my great grandfather Joseph Servian (Serwianski from Sejny and lake Serwy) took out naturalisation but his brother Barnet Servian later Silverman did not. Barnet's wife died in 1895 and he remarried. In 1905 the UK Government brought in the Aliens Act, which brought in controls for those who were not naturalised, and those who had long resided in the UK knew it was coming, as there had been other attempts to pass this act beforehand.   Barnet and his new wife migrated again from Liverpool to Chicago in 1904 followed by his four grown up, Liverpool born, children in 1905 and 1906, and then the fiancee of one of his sons in 1907. One of the sons then came back to Liverpool in 1912 to marry Joseph's  granddaughter and take her to Detroit (they then went to Toronto). I have found quite a lot of incidences of this happening with other UK families, who have found branches that went onto USA in early 20th century, having long resided in the UK, but were not UK naturalised.

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK


Re: Pale of Settlement

Vivienne Fleet
 

On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 04:28 PM, <assaf.patir@...> wrote:
And what would be the literal translation of the Yiddish term Der t'hum ha-moy-shəv? דער תחום המושב-- 
Vivienne Fleet
United Kingdom researching:
FRYDE / FRIEDE - Kalisz, Poland; Łask, Poland; Sunderland, England
KISSELHOFF - Bol'shiye-Luki, Belarus (aka Velikiye-Luki, Belarus); Vitebsk, Belarus; Daugavpils, Latvia
KAFFEL - Riga, Latvia; South Africa
GERSHOWITZ - Belarus


Buying false papers

YaleZuss@...
 

I've seen all the claims made in the various papers that Barbara Mannlein mentioned, and more, but the specific claims are all factually false, based on fundamental errors in logic, or are the result of methodological problems.  Before accepting the meme about "no involuntary name-changes" please wait for my paper to appear, read it, and think about what it says.  I think you'll realize that there is no basis for rejecting the name-change narratives, when you realize how they came to be.

Just to get you started, read the references in Barbara's message, and you will note that there are lots of claims that the involuntary name-change meme has been disproved repeatedly.  The proofs mentioned in these articles rarely have citations, so you won't be able to find them.  I went looking, and all I found was more claims that the proof is in the literature.  As it happens, I followed the one citation mentioned, to Vincent Cannato's book, back to its source, and found no proof there at all.  I contacted Prof. Cannato, who reported he had not researched this issue.  (His book is actually about how the experience of running Ellis Island established the American approach to bureaucracy.)  There are lots of assumptions made, but even when these assumptions turn out to be correct, they usually don't prove the point.

Readers may also find interesting that while Marian Smith was willing to discuss her role in propagating the "no involuntary name-changes" meme, she didn't answer direct questions about whether she had actually researched this issue or what proof she had on the matter.  And she had seen an early draft of my paper, sent by person or persons unknown, before I communicated with her, so why I was asking these questions was self-evident.

The notion that Inspectors were the agency for the involuntary name-changes is an assumption that has served as a straw-man on this matter.  None of the name-change narratives I collected included a claim that the inspector looked at their ancestor, and proclaimed, "I don't like you, do I'm going to call you Snotflubber," or "I like you, so you get to be Goldman."  Abandon this notion, and you'll see that the case against the narratives consists of basically nothing.  If there really is a case, perhaps someone would be so kind as to make it?

Yale Zussman, PhD


Given Names Database

Deborah Barr
 

Hi All,

I haven't been able to access the Given Names database for a long time - weeks if not months.  Has anyone been able to? Does anyone know what's going on with it?

Deborah Barr
San Francisco


Re: Zeliviansky Slonim - Stavropol

Vladimir Oksman
 

Sherri,
What makes you think I have found them? All info I have about my great-grandfather is from Stavropol records. Included his POB - Slonim etc.
BTW. There are some Slonim records on jewishgen.
BR,
Vlaidmir 

 


Re: Maiming to Avoid the Russian Draft?

Ron Rothenberg
 

My maternal grandfather's left eye was very milky and he was blind in that eye.  

There was more to the motivation than avoiding the draft.   There were "Chuppers," (grabbers, captors, takers) who would kidnap healthy-looking boys and sell them to the army.  Sad to say, some, if not many of the chuppers were Jewish. 

Parents would arrange to maim their boys (cutting achilles tendon to make a limp, poking out an eye, cutting off a finger) in order to make them less valuable to the chuppers.

 

For the most part, boys did not do this to themselves, since Jewish law forbids self-maiming.  There were Fixers who were hired to maim the boys. 

Ron Rothenberg
Belmont, MA, USA
ronrsr@...


Re: Maiming to Avoid the Russian Draft?

Bruce Drake
 

In doing the weekly Yizkor book excerpts for the JewishGen Facebook page, I have come across many chapters about avoiding the Russian draft, including pretending to be crazy. In researching my own finally, my trecords show that he and other family members were assssed fines for not showing up. I am not sure whether they left (1904) before these could be enforced, or if some actually paid the fines to avoid serving. (Cheaper than a finger)


Re: Bad Aarolsen Data Base

Bernard Flam
 

Dear Detectives,
Institutions don't share their data basis instantly at any new change.
Sometimes they share a batch of documents and after, each one add and work its way. 
And I don't speak about copyrights..
Neither they put online all their documents.
As described by Freda, you will not find every data available in USHMM, Yad Vashem, Memorial de la Shoah in Paris or Bad Arolsen : it would be to easy !
So you must understand what each institution can deliver at best for you.
Conclusion : you must search these data basis one after the other and fill each "inquiry form" to be sure to get their full batch of documents according to your own searches.
khavershaft
Bernard


Re: Tracking a passenger across the Atlantic through England

bernerfolk
 

Thank you David!  For whatever reason, I've never been able to find anyone in FS.  I tried mightily for the person who requested the info in this group but finally gave up and went to Ancestry. 

Sherri Venditti



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Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] Tracking a passenger across the Atlantic through England

Sherri,


The St. Albans lists are definitely on FamilySearch -- I use them there all the time:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/452590

Regards,
David Oseas

Researching:
HYMAN/HEYMAN/HEIMOWITS/CHAJMOVITS: Zemplen-Dobra, Hungary > New York
KLEIN: Satoraljaujhely (Ujhely), Hungary > New York > Los Angeles
OSEAS/OSIAS/OSIASI/OZIAS: Iasi, Romania > Chicago > Milwaukee > Los Angeles 
SCHECHTER/SHEKTER: Kishinev, Bessarabia > New York   
SHERMAN: Iasi, Romania > New York > Los Angeles
STECKER: New York > Florida
STRUL:  Iasi, Romania > Haifa, Israel
WICHMAN: Syczkowo (Bobruisk), Belarus > Milwaukee > Los Angeles  



Re: Tracking a passenger across the Atlantic through England

David Oseas
 

Sherri,

The St. Albans lists are definitely on FamilySearch -- I use them there all the time:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/452590

Regards,
David Oseas

Researching:
HYMAN/HEYMAN/HEIMOWITS/CHAJMOVITS: Zemplen-Dobra, Hungary > New York
KLEIN: Satoraljaujhely (Ujhely), Hungary > New York > Los Angeles
OSEAS/OSIAS/OSIASI/OZIAS: Iasi, Romania > Chicago > Milwaukee > Los Angeles 
SCHECHTER/SHEKTER: Kishinev, Bessarabia > New York   
SHERMAN: Iasi, Romania > New York > Los Angeles
STECKER: New York > Florida
STRUL:  Iasi, Romania > Haifa, Israel
WICHMAN: Syczkowo (Bobruisk), Belarus > Milwaukee > Los Angeles  


Need help with a Russian translation and photo ID, early 1900s. Plus, any thoughts to ID the photo of passengers on a ship

N. Summers
 

I have posted to ViewMate a photograph (#76789) and the reverse side with a handwritten note (#76789). The photograph is of a crowd of (immigrant? ) passengers on a ship. The note is addressed to “Esther”, whom I believe to be my great-aunt Esther Finkelstein; she came to the US from Poland/Ukraine before 1920. 

The note is in good condition but the handwriting is small, so it could  be quite a challenge to read. I have tried to improve the quality of the image but if there’s anything more I can do please let me know.

Thank you

Nancy S. 
Maryland USA

FINKELSTEIN, LUSMAN (Radzivilov, Ukraine) 
BOOKSTEIN/BUCHSTEIN (Ostrog, Poland)
LEAF/LIFSHITZ (Rechitsa)
ALPER/LISS (Ukraine)



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