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Looking for further research suggestions - early 1800's Poland #poland

Sinai (Sonny) PUTTER
 

I am looking for advice on further research suggestions to document the relationship between two individuals who died in 1823 in Tomaszow Lubelski, Poland.

 

My 5th Great-Grandfather, Szloma PUTTER, died on 30 May 1823 at age 89 (estimated birth year = 1734) in Tomaszow Lubelski, Poland.  His occupation was innkeeper.  He was married to Laja WAYC, daughter of Peysach WAYC and Rajzla; she died 2 May 1833 in Tomaszow Lubelski at age 84 (estimated birth year = 1749).  They had three known sons – Berko Leyba (born about 1774), Josef Majer (born about 1775) and Abus (born about 1780).  No parents are listed on Szloma PUTTER’s death record but sons Josef Majer and Abus are identified as sons of the deceased and listed as witnesses in the death record.  After their father’s death, all three sons named their next male children Szloma in memory of their father.

 

Cyna (= Sinai) PUTER died on 25 Mar 1823 in Tomaszow Lubelski, Poland at age 73 (estimated birth year = 1750).  His occupation was innkeeper.  He was married to Chaja, daughter of Szulim; she died 6 Aug 1829 in Tomaszow Lubelski at age 72 (estimated birth year = 1757).  They had at least two children – Pinkwas (born about 1789) and Ruchla HALTMAN (born PUTER about 1798).  No parents are listed on Cyna PUTER’s death record but son Pinkwas PUTER and son-in-law Mortko Wolf HALTMAN are identified as such and as witnesses in the death record.  Pinkwas named his son Senel [= Netaniel]; Senel PUTER took the name Cyna over time.  Morko Wolf HALTMAN and Ruchla HALTMAN (born PUTER) initially named their son, who was born 9 Jun 1822, Chaim PUTER.  Chaim PUTER’s 1862 marriage record gives his name as Chaim Syna PUTER.  Presumably, Chaim’s parents added the middle name Syna after Ruchla’s father Cyna died in 1823.

 

Abus PUTER, son of Szloma PUTTER, named his son Cyna; this child was born on 30 Apr 1823 in Tomaszow Lubelski, Poland, just one month after the 25 Mar 1823 death of the elder Cyna PUTER (c.1750-1823).  Abus PUTTER’s own father, Szloma, died a month after this new son was born and named (Szloma died 30 May 1823).  Abus PUTER named his next son Szloma (born 27 Jan 1826) in memory of his father.  That Abus PUTER named his son Cyna so close to the elder Cyna’s death suggests a close relationship between the Szloma PUTTER and Cyna PUTER families.

 

I submitted a 67-marker Y-DNA sample of a documented PUTTER descendant of Cyna PUTER (c.1750-1823) to FamilyTreeDNA.com in 2016.  The results indicated the descendant and I were within a Genetic Distance of 3.  This test suggests that there is a 51% probability that we had a Most Recent Common Ancestor within 9 generations and an 85% probability that we had a Most Recent Common Ancestor within the 12 generations.  We have to date documented 8 generations in each family line.

I engaged a genealogist/archivist in Lublin to examine notarial records in Tomaszow Lubelski around the time of the deaths in 1823 of Szloma PUTTER and Cyna PUTER.  He found two records in 1814 and 1816 regarding Szloma PUTTER and his son Josef Majer.  Neither of these records refer to older generations.  He also found no records regarding Cyna PUTER.


I would be grateful for any suggestions about how to proceed in researching exactly how the Szloma PUTTER and Cyna PUTER families might be related.

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Sinai (Sonny) Putter
Bellevue, Washington U.S.A.
sonnyputter@...

 

Researching: BILK | BLAJSER | CUKIERMAN | DRESZER | DYCHTERMAN | ELBAUM | ERLICH | FAYNER | FEDER | FRAJMAN | GOFMAN | HENDEL | HOCHMAN | KLINGIER | KREMER | LEJWENFUS | LEMCHEN | LIBEL | MESSYNGIER | MEC | METZ | PUTER | ROTFELD | SOBEL | SZAJNBERG | SZECHTER | SZLOFMAN | SZOK | SZPISAJZEN | SZRAJBER | SZYR | WAYC | WERTKIN | ZALCMAN.
In Lublin, Poland and Lublin area shtetlach: Biala Podlaska, Chelm, Gorzkow, Izbica Lubelski, Jozefow Bilgorajski, Krasnobrod, Krasnystaw, Laszczow, Leczna,  Szczebrzeszyn, Tarnogrod, Tomaszow Lubelski and Zamosc. 
Also, in Courland area, Latvia and Babruysk area, Belarus.

 

 


Operation Todt - Saint Maur, France [ Richard KAHN]

David Lewin
 

I have learned of a death in August 1944 of a Richard KAHN in Saint
Maur, France, while on forced labour with the aptly named "Operation Todt".

Ironically this "half Jew" was buried as a German soldier.

Does anyone here know what specifically was being done in Saint Maur
by this aptly named organisation?

David Lewin
London


Re: what does this mean? hotel guest

Susan&David
 


You can do a google search for the El Cortez, San Diego and find a wealth of information on line.

In addition to hotel rooms an apartment hotel has suites for rent at a monthly or longer rate.

In 1928, El Cortez had 85 apartment suites, available to rent for $100 per month, and 32 hotel rooms for $5 per day.

David Rosen, Boston MA



On 1/26/2020 8:15 PM, Trudy Barch wrote:

 In the United States Census, 1940

·  ·  California

·  San Diego

·  San Diego Judicial Townsh..., Councilmanic District 6

 

The first line (as best as I can read it) says:

The following persons enumerated in the El Cortez Hotel block #3558.

 

My possible relatives and the whole page says hotel guest.   What does that mean?

 

I looked at Wikipedia and it says apartment-hotel.   Would that be similar to condominiums today?

 

Thank you,   Trudy Barch,  Florida

 

 


what does this mean? hotel guest

Trudy Barch
 

 In the United States Census, 1940

·  ·  California

·  San Diego

·  San Diego Judicial Townsh..., Councilmanic District 6

 

The first line (as best as I can read it) says:

The following persons enumerated in the El Cortez Hotel block #3558.

 

My possible relatives and the whole page says hotel guest.   What does that mean?

 

I looked at Wikipedia and it says apartment-hotel.   Would that be similar to condominiums today?

 

Thank you,   Trudy Barch,  Florida

 

 


Need help translating Polish marriage and birth record

Helen
 

Hello,
Can someone please help me translate two documents that are in Polish? My great, great grandfather appears to have been born Szmul LEWKOWICZ but when he was married his name appeared as Szmul LEWKOWICZ CSARKA.  I am trying to determine how and when CSARKA was added.  I posted Szmul's birth record and marriage record.

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM77909
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM77908

Thanks so much for any help on my first posting!
Helen Gonzales
Albuquerque, New Mexico

Searching: CSARKA/CHARKA, LEWKOWICZ, MOSAK, EPSTEIN, BLUM, BISTROWICZ, WINTER, VISNER


The JGS of Montreal's next program - Tuesday, Feb. 04, 2020

Andreas Schwab
 

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Please join us on: Tuesday, February 04, 2020 at 7:30 pm
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Re: A PROMISE TO MY FATHER return to Plock.

sharon yampell
 

Can you please enlarge your signature so others, including me, can read it?

 

Thanks!   😊

 

Sharon F. Yampell

Voorhees, NJ USA

 

From: Joan Parker
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 3:32 PM
To: Jewishgen
Subject: [JewishGen.org] A PROMISE TO MY FATHER return to Plock.

 

Hi Everyone,

In Miami on PBS is this program, A PROMISE TO MY FATHER.  I would imagine it will also be on your local PBS channels,.... as they say,check your local listings...

Regards to all, stay warm and dry,

Joan

 

  The story of Holocaust survivor Israel "Izzy" Arbeiter, who endured life as a slave laborer for the Nazis and managed to survive at a series of concentration camps, including Auschwitz-Birkenau. The documentary includes his return to his family's home of Plock in an attempt to recover Jewish religious artifacts that his family buried in the basement in an attempt to hide them from the Nazi  

 

Joan Parker

Past President/Archivist

JGS of Greater Miami, Inc.

1) GOLDBERG, GOULD, GOODSTEIN/GUDSTEIN, BERGER, JAGODA-Lipno and Plock,Poland-Russia; Warsaw, Poland-Russia; Galveston, TX; Bronx and Brooklyn, NY.

2) PARKER, PINKUS/PINCUS, WINOGRAD, (GERSHO-BEROVNA?)., R0SEN, -Brest (Litovsk), Belarus; Grodno, Russia; Bronx and Brooklyn, NY. WEISS, NEIKRUG, DEL PINO--Brooklyn, NY.  RABWIN--Hollywood, CA, Salt Lake City, UT. CASEY--San Antonio, TX, Marengo, IA.

3) GELFAND, KRITZOFF, KATZ, TROCK --Berezin/Bresin, Kodima, Minsk, Belarus, Bronx, NY, Miami and Miami Beach, FL.

 


Re: Familysearch.org - is there a list of online record updates?

@Octopamine
 

Both FamilySearch and Ancestry have catalogs that allow users to view new and updated collections. This feature only includes official updates and does not reflect if a user has edited/amended a record. 

Familysearch.org "Historical Record Collections": https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list/

Ancestry.com "Card Catalog": https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/catalog/?sort=date-updated

For both of the above catalogs, you can sort by date added/updated to view additions/changes.

FamilySearch has a watch feature that can alert you when another user contributes to one of your watched records. The FAQ for this feature is below:

https://www.familysearch.org/help/salesforce/viewArticle?urlname=Frequently-Asked-Questions-about-the-Watch-List&lang=en

octopamine@...
Philadelphia, PA


Re: Help JGS of Illinois identify mysterious collection of gravestone portrait photos

Steven
 

I know that there’s been a problem over the years of vandals stealing the photos off of tombstones at Waldheim Cemetery. The cemetery is not in the best neighborhood and the vandals steal the photos for the metal frame, which I believe is brass or some other metal that’s worth a little money.


A PROMISE TO MY FATHER return to Plock.

Joan Parker
 

Hi Everyone,
In Miami on PBS is this program, A PROMISE TO MY FATHER.  I would imagine it will also be on your local PBS channels,.... as they say,check your local listings...
Regards to all, stay warm and dry,
Joan

  The story of Holocaust survivor Israel "Izzy" Arbeiter, who endured life as a slave laborer for the Nazis and managed to survive at a series of concentration camps, including Auschwitz-Birkenau. The documentary includes his return to his family's home of Plock in an attempt to recover Jewish religious artifacts that his family buried in the basement in an attempt to hide them from the Nazi  

Joan Parker
Past President/Archivist
JGS of Greater Miami, Inc.
1) GOLDBERG, GOULD, GOODSTEIN/GUDSTEIN, BERGER, JAGODA-Lipno and Plock,Poland-Russia; Warsaw, Poland-Russia; Galveston, TX; Bronx and Brooklyn, NY.
2) PARKER, PINKUS/PINCUS, WINOGRAD, (GERSHO-BEROVNA?)., R0SEN, -Brest (Litovsk), Belarus; Grodno, Russia; Bronx and Brooklyn, NY. WEISS, NEIKRUG, DEL PINO--Brooklyn, NY.  RABWIN--Hollywood, CA, Salt Lake City, UT. CASEY--San Antonio, TX, Marengo, IA.
3) GELFAND, KRITZOFF, KATZ, TROCK --Berezin/Bresin, Kodima, Minsk, Belarus, Bronx, NY, Miami and Miami Beach, FL.


Re: Familysearch.org - is there a list of online record updates?

Russ Maurer
 

Sorry if my post was ambiguous - by "supplemented" I was referring to additional records added to an existing record set, not edits to existing records (although I appreciate learning about the latter). Thanks to Barbara Ellman for the link that I needed. Using the news search option, I searched for any updates to Lithuania records in the last 10 years. The search came up empty. I'm puzzled how that can be, as I know for a fact that Lithuania records have been added within that period. Anyone have any ideas how I can find the Lithuania updates?

Russ Maurer
vhrproject@...


NEW HOLOCAUST-PERIOD RECORDS ON THE ALL GALICIA DATABASE

Gesher Galicia SIG
 

On the occasion of International Holocaust Remembrance Day - also the
75th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz - Gesher Galicia
announces the recent uploading to the All Galicia Database of the
indexes of over 7,200 archival records from the Holocaust period. The
records can be found at: https://search.geshergalicia.org/ . They new
uploads are:

- Stanislawow. Alphabetical index of Jewish residents, from 1941,
after the German occupation of the town. There are 5,876 entries here,
giving the names of Jews in the town in late 1941, before the ghetto
was set up at the end of December. Originally, there were another
1,300 entries in this file, but parts of it were removed or lost at
some point after the end of the war. In particular, surnames starting
with C, N, R, U, V and Z are all missing. Surnames with S are also
missing, except for those starting with SCH-, which are included.
Years of birth and addresses in the town are given for those listed.

- Stanislawow. Jews who were ill or injured, September 10, 1941 to
September 16, 1942. This book contains 1,298 entries, with some people
listed more than once. The age of the person and their address are
given. Also included in the book (though not indexed) are the
conditions of those listed and the rudimentary treatment provided for
their condition - in many cases simply a "Verband" (bandage,
dressing).

- Rzeszow Jewish deaths, February and March 1943.
This set of loose certificates contains 90 name of Jews who were
killed in Rzeszow and who had remained in the ghetto after the mass
shooting "actions" and deportations of July and August 1942. There are
also 46 certificates giving dates of death but without a name. Fifteen
of the certificates of named Jews are dated March 22, 1943. These may
have been Jews in the forced labor "Ostbahn" group in the ghetto who
are known to have been murdered around that time. Surnames include:
ABRAHAM, ALTMAN, ALTSCHUELLER, ALTSCHUETZER, BARTH, BAUM, BELLER,
BERKOWICZ, BLASBERG, BOTH, BRACHFELD, DIAMANT, DUCKER, ELLOWICZ,
EMMER, FELDER, FEIT, FRANT, FROEHLICH, GELBARD-BERKOWICZ, GERSTEN,
GOLDBERG, GOETZ, GRITZ, GRUENER, GUTTER, HAAR, HAUPTMAN, HOLLOSCHUETZ,
HOROWITZ, KATZ, KAUFMANN, KAZIMIERSKI, KNOPF, KRAEMER, LEWKOWICZ,
LEWNIOWSKI, LIEBLICH, LUFT, MARGULIES, MENDELSOHN, MERKREBS, MUELLER,
PINKAS, PION, PLATZKER, REICH, ROSENBAUM, ROSENBERG, ROSENBLUM,
RUSSEK, SALAMON, SALZ, SAMBOL, SCHIPPER, SCHMELKES, SCHMIDT, SCHNUR,
SCHREIBER, SINGER, STERN, STIERER, TAENZER, TENNENBAUM, TOPPER,
TREIBER, TURNER, WACHTEL, WEINBERGER, WEISSBERG, WIESENFELD, WILDMAN,
ZARWANITZER, ZUCKER-SCHMIDT

- Tyczyn, Jewish deaths 1942. A set of 18 death certificates from
different months in that year. Surnames include: APPELFELD,
BLUMENBERG, FISCH, KREINIG, KUFLIK, LOWENTHAL, RAUCHWERGER, REICH,
REICH, ROSENGARTEN, ROSENGARTEN, ROZNER, SCHLACHET, SILBERBERG,
STERNLICHT, TANENBAUM, WACHNER, WACHS, ZWIRN.


Gesher Galicia's Holocaust project continues, with the indexing next
of household card records from the ghetto, arranged alphabetically by
the name of the street. These records are held in the Przemysl State
Archive. After that, the project will address the large number of name
cards from Stanislawow from the period that are held at DAIFO, the
State Archive of Ivano-Frankivsk Oblast.

For more information on these records, on Gesher Galicia's Holocaust
project, or on Gesher Galicia generally, please contact:
info@... .


Michal Majewski, Holocaust Project Coordinator, Gesher Galicia
Tony Kahane, Research Coordinator, Gesher Galicia

https://www.geshergalicia.org/

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Fw: Terezin ID cards - please translate notes from Czech

Joseph Lonstein
 


From: Joseph Lonstein
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2020 9:50:14 AM
To: jewishgen digest recipients <jewishgen@...>
Subject: Terezin ID cards - please translate notes from Czech
 
Hi all,

I've posted three images from Terezin ID cards containing hand-written notes that I think are in Czech, and I'm hoping someone can provide a translation and their thoughts.  Particularly, were Terezin ID cards updated in 1969 with follow-up information on survivors?  The images are on ViewMate -

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM77858

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM77859

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM77860


Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

Thank you very much,

Joe Lonstein
East Lansing, Michigan, USA


Re: Two NYC Birth Certificates: One person or two?

Moishe Miller
 

Deborah,
Thank you. I will have to go to a Family History Center and check the dates on the surrounding certificates of the #1942 cert, to get a date estimate. 
I appreciate your reply.
Moishe Miller


Re: Professional genealogist? (Russia to London migration in early 19th century)

Irina Fridman
 

Ok, now I understand re CMJ. London Society for Promoting Christianity among Jews was particularly active in the 1850s/60s in London, trying to convert Jews, especially those who were struggling making a living. What are trying to establish in their papers? If conversion, you might try parish records for the church where Raphael Marks lived.

Marriage certificate. There were 2 separate documents regarding the marriage - one a governmental record, the other - ecclesiastical. If he was converted, the marriage would have taken place either in his parish or in the parish of his bride. That might throw some clues. The parish records are normally kept in the local records office. If lucky, they will be digitised, and you can search them online. 

Another point about CMJ is that many Jews saw conversion as means of obtaining free education and/or improve their conditions. They might have still practised Judaism. Jewish Chronicle had some articles and letters about this around that time.

Re the reasons of moving from Russia (most likely Russian Empire, which would have included Poland, Ukraine and Lithuania) could be several:
a) Crimean war - conscription, POWs, etc.;
b) desire to avoid conscription into the Russian Army (if conscripted, men served 25 years);
c) antisemitism in the Russian Empire. There was a steady stream of immigration in the 1840s/50s from Russia to England, with London as the biggest attraction, because of the large and established Jewish community and the opportunities, real and perceived, to make a living.

I would suggest to contact:
a) local record office (local to the place of his residence). In addition to parish records, there might be some others, which might provide a clue to his place of origin.
b) National Archives - they'll have immigration records; naturalisation records; incoming passengers.

Also, check Ancestry database and FindMyPast database. I find that combining these databases works best. 

Check all census returns (earliest 1841, which provides minimum information, but later ones give you much more.) You might find that the column "where born" might differ, and might narrow down the search (For example, 1851 census might state "Russia", but 1861 - "Poland".) 

Also, they have immigration and incoming passengers records.

Hope this gives you some leads, and apologies, if I duplicate the search you've already done.

Irina



Re: Help JGS of Illinois identify mysterious collection of gravestone portrait photos

Martin Fischer
 

Yes, we do plan to contact the cemetery managers in the near future.
--
Martin Fischer
Vice President-Publicity
Jewish Genealogical Society of Illinois

JGSI website: https://jgsi.org


Re: New IAJGS "Salutes!" Award to Yocheved Klausner

Barbara Sontz
 

Yasher koach, Yocheved!!  And thank you!


Re: Help JGS of Illinois identify mysterious collection of gravestone portrait photos

Madeleine Isenberg
 

Here’s a thought:  has anyone thought to contact the managers of the Waldheim cemetery to see if any relatives/descendants complained that someone’s tombstone had been possibly vandalized such that an obvious oval/cameo spot was visible?  If so that might at least provide some possible matches for these unidentified people.

Regards,
Madeleine Isenberg 
Beverly Hills, CA
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Re: Picture of grave

Bob Silverstein
 

I do not need photos from there but I think your offer is very generous.  Have you considered letting the Jewish Genealogical Society of Illinois know about this?


Re: Bayside Cemetery

David Lewin
 

At 17:35 25/01/2020, Alex Woodle via Groups.Jewishgen.Org wrote:
Thank you for the update Andy. I had no idea of the sale of Shaare
Zedek's property and major efforts to clean-up the neglect I found
when I last visited. My great grandfather and his brother and a few
other relatives are buried here. I purchased perpetual care for the
former, but have no knowledge of what if anything has been done to
keep this stone free from weeds and other plants. With your article,
I have contacted them to ascertain what is being done.

Thank you,

Alex Woodle
Groton, MA
I have attempted to write to awoodle=verizon.net@...
- it BOUNCED

How can I reach Alex Woodle please?

David Lewin

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