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Re: Include Family Name in Subject

Dahn Cukier
 

Original:
This has been our format for years, whether it is officially in the guidelines or not. It helps the poster as well as those who get digests or individual posts determine whether to participate in a particular issue.
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Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC
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Reply:
Family names in the Subject field have never been part of the format,
it would mean Subject fields longer than permitted by many applications.

The family names being researched have been part of the "Signature Field"
which comes at the end of the post.

Dani

Researching 4 families with at least a dozen different spellings, and one
whose pronunciation is unclear.

When you start to read readin,
how do you know the fellow that
wrote the readin,
wrote the readin right?

Festus Hagen
Long Branch Saloon
Dodge City, Kansas
(Gunsmoke)


On Friday, February 7, 2020, 12:52:56 AM GMT+2, <jbonline1111@...> wrote:


This has been our format for years, whether it is officially in the guidelines or not.  It helps the poster as well as those who get digests or individual posts determine whether to participate in a particular issue.
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Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC


Re: US immigration records in early 19th century #usa

Karen <kgschneider@...>
 

You may be searching the right way however it was probably too early to obtain the information you want from those records. According to this Ellis Island link about researching U.S. immigration records, it seems:
The person's birthplace was not requested on ships' lists until 1906.
And it wasn't until 1907 that a second page was added that included the name and address of the alien's nearest relative in the country from which they came. 
https://www.njgsbc.org/files/immigration/ship05.html#whatinfo


Klass descendants near Johannesburg, South Africa #southafrica

Ancestry Mail
 

I'm trying to locate any living Klass descendants near Johannesburg, South Africa.  Nathan Klass (of Lithuania, 1874-1933) married Fanny Marks and immigrated to South Africa in 1912.  They settled in Lindley, Free State, and had 5 children:  Samuel Jacob Klass (b. Jan 13, 1915), Ruby Klass (b. Jan 22, 1917), Muriel Klass (b. Dec 21, 1921), Hannah (b. Apr 14, 1924), and Morris Klass (b. Jan 11, 1931). 

1. Samuel Jacob married Irene.  He died in 1990 in Johannesburg.  I do not know if Irene is alive. Who and where are their children?
2. Ruby married Sydney Hoffman. She died in 2011 in Johannesburg. He died in 2008. Their children are Adrian, Shirley and Natalie?  Where are they? 
3.  Muriel married Wilfred Duchen. They moved to near Ontario, Canada. She died in 2007. He died in 2009.  Who and where are their children?
4.  Hannah married Gerald Bennet Miller. She died in 1954. He died in 2006 in Johannesburg.  Who and where are their children?
5. Morris married Lorna (Felicity?) Jansen. He died in 2009 in Johannesburg.  Who and where are their children?

If you know the names, etc.,  of these Klass descendants, and/or how I can contact them, please email me at ancestrymail0@... .  Thank you.


(United Kingdom) National Archives to Trial 12 Document Limit Per Day for Visitors

Jan Meisels Allen
 

 

The (UK) National Archives announced a new trial restricting readers to 12 documents a day despite the concern of historians and researchers.  A six-month trial begins the end of March.  If requested in advance, an additional 12 documents will be allowed. The rationale given is that it will increase efficiency. They came to the decision after looking at the average number of documents viewed by each visitor each day.

 

Between 20 and 40 documents can also be ordered in bulk, but only eight people can use the service each day and the documents must be from the same series. 

 

Traditionally, visitors have been able to browse as many documents as required from the archives.  The Archives hold treasures spanning 1,000 years.  The number of visitors at the National Archives have gradually been decreasing over recent years.


To read more see:  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/01/07/national-archives-trial-12-document-limit-visitors-per-day-academics/

 

Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

 

 


Re: Looking for Solomon FUKS

Ronald D. Doctor
 

Ilya, the Kremenets (Ukraine) District Research Group has been accumulating, translating and posting documents relating to Jews of the Kremenets district for the past 18 years. Our Concordance, a master name and place index, now has almost 400,000 entries. Of those, about 600 are for the surname Fuks, including 10 for Shlome Fuks. The name appears in records for various towns in the Kremenets district between 1834 and 1934.

You can search our Concordance on our Kehilalinks website at:
https://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Kremenets/web-pages/research-projects.html
Do a Hebrew Surname search to see if any of these look useful to you.

Best,

Ron Doctor, rddpdx@...
Co-Coordinator, Kremenets Shtetl CO-OP/Jewish Records Indexing-Poland
an activity of the Kremenets District Research Group (KDRG)
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Kremenets
Overland Park, Kansas USA

Researching DOCTOR (DIOKHTER), VARER, AVERBAKH, KORENFELD ... all from Kremenets, Oleksinets, Yampol, Vishnevets
and KAZDOY (KOSODOY), DUBINSKI, DUBOWSKY ... all from Kiev, Uman, Odessa


Re: US immigration records in early 19th century #usa

David Oseas
 

One word of caution that I forgot to mention in my detailed reply:  for pre-1907 naturalizations, don't get your hopes up about finding where your relative came from or how they arrived.  These naturalization records seldom contain anything more than the name and residence of the applicant and the signature of the applicant and a witness.

--
Regards,
David Oseas

Researching:
HYMAN/HEYMAN/HEIMOWITS/CHAJMOVITS: Zemplen-Dobra, Hungary > New York
KLEIN: Satoraljaujhely (Ujhely), Hungary > New York > Los Angeles
OSEAS/OSIAS/OSIASI/OZIAS: Iasi, Romania > Chicago > Milwaukee > Los Angeles
SCHECHTER/SHEKTER: Kishinev, Bessarabia > New York  
SHERMAN: Iasi, Romania > New York > Los Angeles
STECKER: New York > Florida
STRUL:  Iasi, Romania > Haifa, Israel
WICHMAN: Syczkowo (Bobruisk), Belarus > Milwaukee > Los Angeles


Re: US immigration records in early 19th century #usa

David Oseas
 

For the most part, Ancestry has only index records.  FamilySearch has images of naturalization documents, but many are not indexed yet.  First try FamilySearch's indexes to see if you can easily locate the documents.

If they are not indexed, don't despair: with the information provided by Ancestry and a bit of detective work, you can usually locate them.

I recently went through the same process for a relative & I'll walk you through the steps, using her naturalization as an example. My relative was Ida Schechter (b. 1890), naturalized 29 Jun 1943 in Eastern District Ct of NY (https://search.ancestry.com/collections/1192/records/185403 ).

From the Ancestry data, you will need to determine which court your relative naturalized in.  Depending on the collection, this may be included as field, provided in the source citation, or may be in the name of the collection itself.  In Ida's case, the data appears both as a data field and in the source citation: Eastern District Ct of NY.

If an image exists for the Ancestry index record, examine it:  depending on when/where the naturalization happened, you may need the date and/or the petition number and/or volume & page number.  These pieces of information are usually not captured in Ancestry's indexing.  In Ida's case, her petition number is 370911.  If you are looking for a declaration (ie, initial papers, not final papers), the process will work the same way, but you record the info about the declaration, not the petition.

Now go to the FamilySeach catalog (https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/search ) and do a keyword search. Enter the name and type of the court, followed by either "naturalization" or "petition" (for declarations, use "declaration") without quotations.  In this example, we will search for "New York Eastern District Petition".

You may need to experiment with both words to see which brings up the appropriate collections.  Note that there may be several collections returned, usually a mixture of index-only and ones with full records, and usually for different time periods.

In my example, 16 search results are returned.  However, from the description, we can see that the collection that includes the full records is "Final petition and citizenship papers (New York), 1865-1958".  Next, we need to look at the details of this collection (https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/988724 ).  For this collection, we locate the roll of film (digitized images) that contain Ida's petition #370911, which is "Naturalization records, (cert. no. 370587-371100) 19-24 Feb 1943" (FHL 2394797, DGS 007778077).  Do not be confused by FamilySearch's use of the term "cert." here, this is actually the petition number (I've asked them several times to correct their catalog terminology).  Also, note that the date on the index card was the date of admission, not the date of the petition and occurs sometime later.  Take note if the roll contains multiple items, and if so, which item contains the desired record.

Now we click on the camera icon to enter the image browser to view the film.  Since this roll only contains one item, we start at the beginning.  Otherwise, we would first need to locate the start of the item within the roll. 

Examine a few of the first documents to see what is included.  In this case, there is a copy of the Certificate of Arrival (CofA), plus the petition, front and back, so there are approximately 3 images per document.  Other collections may also include copies of the declaration, while others may omit the CofA.  Examine one of the petitions to see the petition number stamped on it -- I tend to use the image in the upper right hand corner, which is image #10; in this case, the next image (#11) contains petition #370588.  Do the math to determine which image number is going to be close to where we want:  #370911 - #370588 = 323 petitions * 3 images/petition = 969 images; we are starting on image 11, so we want to go to image 980.  The math will frequently be off, since some records may be missing pages or have additional pages, or may have been filmed more than once.

You can do the math from where you end up to get closer, or simply browse to the desired image.  In my case, images 1167-1169 (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSMV-VFBJ?i=1166&cat=988724 ) contain the petition that I was looking for.

Hope this helps you (and others) in your search.

--
Regards,
David Oseas

Researching:
HYMAN/HEYMAN/HEIMOWITS/CHAJMOVITS: Zemplen-Dobra, Hungary > New York
KLEIN: Satoraljaujhely (Ujhely), Hungary > New York > Los Angeles
OSEAS/OSIAS/OSIASI/OZIAS: Iasi, Romania > Chicago > Milwaukee > Los Angeles
SCHECHTER/SHEKTER: Kishinev, Bessarabia > New York  
SHERMAN: Iasi, Romania > New York > Los Angeles
STECKER: New York > Florida
STRUL:  Iasi, Romania > Haifa, Israel
WICHMAN: Syczkowo (Bobruisk), Belarus > Milwaukee > Los Angeles


Re: German ancestry of my Galician or Ukrainian ancestors?

ru@...
 

I can't speak to strong or weak matches at Ancestry, but at FTDNA, 100 cM match can be a person who matches multiple ancestors hundreds of years ago, but none in a recent timeframe. The length of the longest segments are as important as the total matching cM. Unfortunately, Ancestry doesn't give us a chromosome browser, so it's difficult to assess these matches.

Speaking as someone who has done extensive research on German Jewish families, both DNA and documents, I can cite the Bacharach family who was likely in Frankfurt or Worms in the 13th century and by the 17th-18th century had several branches in Lithuania, Belarus, Czechia, etc. While the family has an origin in Germany, and many branches were still there into the 20th century, there were also family members who spent the past 400 years in Eastern Europe and whose descendants don't necessarily consider themselves German-Jewish, even though they still carry a German surname.

One pair of such relatives share 131 cM, even though their common Bacharach ancestor has to have lived prior to 1600. Their largest shared segment is only about 10 cM. The total 131 cM most likely is a compounding of multiple relatives who lived in the Middle Ages, most likely in Germany. There were several population bottlenecks that occurred before large migrations east, so the vast majority of Jews in Eastern Europe in the 18th-20th centuries were descended from a very small number of Jews who survived those bottleneck events in Germany and eventually moved eastward. All those shared DNA segments from a small number of ancestors compound to look like the common ancestors are much more recent.

If you do share long cM runs with any of the unexpected Germans, consider a possible NPE in more recent generations. Maybe you do have a German ancestor who was not the spouse of your female ancestor from Ukraine or wherever and they met each other in New York or somewhere outside of Europe. Or there could have been a traveling rabbi or merchant from Germany visiting your ancestor's village or something along those lines. I would only look at this explanation if you have long matching segments, which you can't really tell at Ancestry.


Re: Include Family Name in Subject

jbonline1111@...
 

This has been our format for years, whether it is officially in the guidelines or not.  It helps the poster as well as those who get digests or individual posts determine whether to participate in a particular issue.
--
Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC


Re: Include Family Name in Subject

Marjorie Geiser
 

Excellent point, JB. Perhaps it should be. Along with including your name, where you're from, and names of who you're researching.

However, this is more for those posting, asking for help or looking for others searching the same name.

Margie Geiser
Arizona, USA

LEVINE/LEWIN, SILBERNAGEL/ZYLBERNAGEL/SILVER, EPSTEJN, MOCZYDLOWER/MOCHEDLOVER, ERLICH, GRUNPELTZ, JOSKOWICZ, ZYLBERSZTEJN, ABRAHAMOWICZ, SZTABINSKA, WILK


Re: Tarnobrzeg #galicia

Joan Edelstein
 

I’m relatively new to the email list and finally figured out how to reply to the group. My maternal grandmother was from Tarnobrzeg and immigrated here when she was 5 in 1900. When I went to the Lauder Foundation in Warsaw, I was able to get a lot of information on her family. I also visited there with my daughter around 15 years ago.
 
In any case, of the family who remained in Tarnobrzeg, there were no known survivors of the Holocaust. I would very much like to do some more research to see if I can find more about them and their families. Any suggestions you have of groups to join, Facebook pages, etc. would be greatly appreciated.

I am also interested in others whose families were from Tarnobrzeg to see if there are any connections.

Thanks so much! Joan


Re name Marks - US immigration records in early 19th century

Jeff Miller
 

I’ve read recently about people who were originally Markowitz or other variations changed their name to Marks.

Consider that records may exist under such an original name.

Best regards,

Jeff Miller
Maryland


Re: #JewishGenNews

S&D Hirschhorn <sdh2381@...>
 

 I would like to post the information that my husband Donald Hirschhorn has passed away.  Many JewishGen members may remember him as a long time worker for JewishGen.  He and I did the JewishGen Mall for several years which was a means to provide some income for JewishGen.
 
Thank you,
 
Sandra Hirschhorn
Monroe Township, NJ
Researching: LITWIN,Lodz,Poland;  BRUMER, Bialystok, Poland; KARPAY, Berezino, Minsk Gubernia,
Belarus; RAFALCHIK, Berezino, Belarus
 

Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2020 3:19 PM
Subject: [Special] [JewishGen.org] #JewishGenNews
 

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Re: ViewMate translation request -Hebrew

Karen Zale
 

Thank you to all the people who helped me with the translation.  Jewishgen has an amazing group of people always willing to help one another.

Karen Zale
Plano, TX

GREENBERG - Pultusk, Wyszkow
KRAVCHENKO/KAPLAN/COPELAND - Niezhin,Chernigov
EHRENFREUND, KELLERMAN - Tarnow
REITMAN, ZALEFSKY - Shereshevo
FINKELSTEIN - Shchedrin
SORKIN - Kapustino, Rogachev



US immigration records in early 19th century #usa

jamehar@...
 

I've been trying to identify where my family came from in Russia for some time without much luck (I am British and the only information I can find is an 1861 census record for my ancestor - Raphael Marks - where his birthplace is stated as being 'Russia' [probably either 1816 or 1826]). No immigration records are available for Raphael which have been able to get me closer to identifying where in Russia he came from.

Following feedback from this group last month, I've looked into my DNA connections in more detail. Interestingly, some of those who match me, my grandfather and my grandfather's second cousin (via the Mark's line) match with a number of people who have a US lady called Phoebe Marks in their trees. It seems that her ancestor - Nathan Marks - was also from Russia (born 1838 and emigrated to New York via the UK in 1867). I'm thinking that if I can work out where Nathan came from, it might narrow down the search for where Raphael came from too (as they may well be brothers/cousins/uncle-nephew/etc).

From previous guidance on here, it sounds like the US immigration records for Nathan might provide me with a clue about where he (and maybe also Raphael) came from. I'm not finding detailed records on Ancestry through - just index-type records. Am I looking in the wrong place?


Re: 19th century medical condition

Elise Cundiff
 

I really doubt that saralasin would have been known or available back then, it is a medication that affects complex biochemistry that was also unknown.  And even though google brings up Achalasia when "saralasis" is searched, I don't see that word itself ever, so I think it is just an attempt to find a likely substitute.  


Gesher Galicia at the Center for Jewish History in Lower Manhattan #galicia

Steven Turner
 

There was a large turnout last night for Gesher Galicia Vice President Dr. Andrew Zalewski's fascinating presentation entitled, "Jewish Students, Medical Globetrotters, and Persevering Women". The presentation was recorded and we will keep you posted when the link is available to view. The NY contingent of the Gesher Galicia Board (President, Dr. Steven Turner, Treasurer, Charlie Katz and Director Renee Steinig) were thrilled to attend.

Follow us on facebook and in the message forums to hear about future events.

Dr. Steven S. Turner
President,
Gesher Galicia


Help fight USCIS Genealogy Program Fee Hike - Reopened Comments Until 10 Feb 2020

Renée K. Carl
 

As previously posted, those of us fighting to prevent the fee hikes to the USCIS Genealogy Program wanted to make sure that people new to the issue know that the comment period reopened. This additional time is a gift, and there are 4 steps you can take to help fight the fee hike:

1) If you have not submitted a comment, now is the time! All the information you need to know is at http://recordsnotrevenue.com/. Submit your comments at: https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=USCIS-2019-0010-10938

2) Once you have submitted a comment at the Federal Rulemaking Portal, please make sure you write your Senators and Representative! You can simply forward along a copy of your comments, and if you receive a response, please let me know, or send an email to "recordsnotrevenue @ gmail.com" (you need to delete the extra spaces to make the email work).

3) If you have submitted a comment Federal Rulemaking Portal, you are welcome to submit supplementary comments, however, there is no need to submit repeat or duplicative comments. If your comment has not yet posted to the online portal, but you received email confirmation and/or a receipt number from your previous comment, there is no need to submit the same comment again.** However, you are welcome to add additional thoughts to your previous comments; just be sure to include reference to your previous comment in your supplementary comment.
 
4) Share share share! Every single comment matters.
 
Thanks for your efforts, and for caring about these important records.
 
Renee Carl, and the Records Not Revenue team
Washington, DC
**While many comments post quickly in the online portal, some comments may take up to several months to post for a variety of reasons. As such - if you received confirmation via email or a comment receipt number that your comment was received, rest assured it will post sooner or later.


Re: post-war immigration to Argentina and Israel: where to start?

Mitchell Collier
 

If you are on Facebook, join this group to ask for assistance researching Argentinian Jewish history.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/Gen.Judia.AR/

The discussions tend to be in Spanish, but the translate button under each post does a decent job and you can write to the group in English.

The Facebook group belongs to: Agrupación de Genealogía Judeo-Argentina

http://www.agja.org.ar

The group organizer can be reached by email:

consultas.agja@...

 


Re: post-war immigration to Argentina and Israel: where to start?

Barbara Ellman
 

The Bad Arolson records often show where the person went after the war.  The majority of these records are found at the US Holocaust Museum but they are not online,  I've seen records that told the course of the destination request and date the person left for for their destination.  The Arolson archives is putting the collection online, but it is a work in progress. https://arolsen-archives.org/en/search-explore/search-online-archive/

IGRA has been indexing the incoming ship manifests.  https://genealogy.org.il/AID/
Immigration records for Palestine are held by the Central Zionist Archives which will tell you what records are available and how they can be accessed.

Ships arriving in Buenos Aires can be searched at https://cemla.com/buscador/ (site is in Spanish) this database includes ships through 1960.  Also often ships to South America went through New York, so check the Ellis Island database with destination of Argentina or Sud Amerika.


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Barbara Ellman
Secaucus NJ USA

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Barbara Ellman
Secaucus NJ USA
HASSMAN, SONENTHAL, DAUERMAN, LUCHS - Drohobycz, Ukraine
HIRSCHHORN, GOLDSTEIN, BUCHWALD - Dolyna, Ukraine
ELLMAN, COIRA, MAIDMAN - Minkovtsy, Ukraine
KAGLE, FASS - Ulanow, Poland

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