Perl-Stern family from Brooklyn

Neil Rosenstein

Looking to make contact with the family of Avraham David Perl and his
wife Meita (Marta) born Stern in Strimtura, Rumania in 1881 and came
to the US in about 1913 and were Sighter Chassidim in Williamsburg and
members of the Sighter synagogue on Hewes Street

I need some Los Angeles County, California Death Certificates

A. E. Jordan

I need a few Los Angeles County death certificates.  By chance is anyone heading that way or else I can try to do mail order.

I am happy to trade some NYC time in exchange is someone could get the certificates and of course I would cover any printing costs.

Email me privately off the discussion group if you might be able to help.

Thank you

Allan Jordan

Offering NYC Lookups

A. E. Jordan

It looks like I am going to have to make another look up run later this week so I am offering some lookups in New York at the various repositories. 

I can do NYC vital records; probate records and NYC Public Library.  I do other repositories as well but these are the primary ones.

Generally I ask you to do the prep legwork to scout out what you need and then I can retrieve the records. 

At the Municipal Archives I can get vital records including marriages (licenses or marriage certificates) as well as births and deaths.

I can go to go to Brooklyn to do probates.

Contact me for the specifics of what you need and I can let you know what is possible.

I ask you to cover all the printing costs plus I appreciate a little to help with the travel expense of doing this for people.

Also happy to respond to questions about NYC records.

Please contact me off the discussion group in a private message for discussions.

Allan Jordan

Re: Changing Market for Home DNA Testing


One of the limiting factors that I see is price particularly if you live outside the USA in a country with an adverse exchange rate.
One would of course think if one was really keen to search  ones ancestry price would not be an object.
If this were so most people would be willing and keen to transfer there raw DNA to other databases especially GEDMATCH which is simple to do and partiarlly free .
It doesn't happen.If everyone did it ,what an explosion of useful information  there would be.
I have my initial test with Ancestry.In 3 years there has hardly been any useful match updates.
My DNA transfer to FamilyTree DNA has been static too.
My DNA transfer to MY Heritage has produced constant regular  updates.
Unfortunately like a previous poster I rarely get a reply to any query.
From my perspective MY Heritage has been the only useful and progressive DNA testing site,particularly for Ashkenazi Heritage.
Perhaps there is just too many companies wanting to cash in offering too little for the price.

Re: computer program

Ellen Barnett Cleary

I too use Family Tree Maker. It is still available and I use the latest version. I have a LOT of names and FRM handles them well. I like it best because of the reports you can generate with it. You can also designate partner, companion, spouse, etc. and you can show the marriage of two people of the same gender. 

My my only complaint is that it will not allow you to show stepchildren in a descendant report. I realize they are not technically descendants but it really disturbs me that there is no way to show them as children in the family. But I don’t know of any other program that handles this any better. 

If you have a lot of names it allows you to compact your file. It is easy to do this.  The link is under tools. I found this important to do every so often to keep my data correct. 

You can can choose to link it to Ancestry or not, which ever you prefer. 

Ellen Barnett Cleary 
San Francisco CA. USA

Belarus? Geography Question: Slonim Zaludok Grodno Wilna

Joel Weintraub

Hi Jenners, I could use some help in understanding where two brothers came from in Europe.  I'm 99% sure they are brothers with many ties on official documents. The first comes into Ellis Island in 1901.  The column where it asks last residence shows Slonim Russia.  Eleven years later, on his U.S. Petition for citizenship he indicated he was born in 1875 in Grodno Russia.  Brother two comes into Ellis Island in 1904.  His manifest shows last residence as Zaludok.  On his U.S. Petition for citizenship in 1910 he puts down he was born in 1877 in Wilna Russia.  My goal is to narrow down their origin city, and then search to see if records exist for a close relative with a different family name that I think they took in America.

Thanks in advance.  You can write me privately.
Joel Weintraub
Dana Point, CA

US Charges Chinese Military as Hackers for Equifax Data Breech Affecting half of US

Jan Meisels Allen

In 2017 Equifax sustained the largest data breech in US history- affecting 145 million Americans.  The US is charging four members of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army with hacking into the computer system.  The suspects were members of the PLA's 54th Research Institute, part of the Chinese military. They were identified as Wu Zhiyong, Wang Qian, Xu Ke and Liu Lei. They obtained names, birthdates and Social Security numbers of 145 million Americans, and driver's license numbers for at least 10 million Americans.


Hackers also stole credit card numbers and other personal information for 200,000 Americans and personal information for nearly a million citizens of the United Kingdom and Canada.

to read more see:


Thank you to Teven Laxer, member of the IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee for sharing this information.



Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Re: Changing Market for Home DNA Testing

Helen Gottesman

I also had thousands of potential relatives with FTDNA, as did my husband.  Most were from far-flung areas of Europe, did not list family names or names very different from mine and each other.  Not sure what good they did for either of us except for confirming we are both of Askenazic ancestry.
Helen Gottesman

Dobrin, Bukofzer, Lublinski, Segall, Davidsohn, Altmann, from West Prussia/Poland
Schwarz, Schwager, Gutmann, Greenhut, Grunhut, from Bavaria, germany and Western Czechslovakia/Bohemia

JewishGen Database Problem

Nancy Siegel

Dear JewishGen Community,
We regret that we are currently experiencing problems with our databases. We ask for your patience and understanding as we work to get our data back on line.
Nancy Siegel (San Francisco/CA/USA)
Director of Communications

Re: Changing Market for Home DNA Testing

Sheila Toffell

I have seen far fewer family trees posted since the privacy laws changed in various countries but besides that I think the options to post names and places are often hidden inside other parts of the initial process and often get overlooked. 

Sheila Toffell
Glen Rock NJ

ViewMate translation request - Cyrillic

Adam Cherson

Dear Fellow Researchers,

I've posted a vital record in Russian for which I need a one word translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address:


This consists of a surname from a Revision List, handwritten twice, for which I need to verify the Cyrillic letters being used by the scribe.


Many thanks for your guidance.


Adam Cherson

New York City


ViewMate translation request – Russian


Dear Friends,


I've posted the 1901 Russian marriage record of my great-grandparents for which I need a translation. The marriage record is on ViewMate at the following address:
Could someone please translate this marriage record for me? If yes, please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

Thank you so much!!!


Wendy Starr

New York City

Re: Online classes


I can recommend an online course run by FutureLearn who run a large variety of courses from all over the world.This one is from Strathclyde university. It is free although you can upgrade.  Called Genealogy: 'Researching your family tree'.  Good no matter whether a beginner or more advanced. 6 weeks duration.   4 hours weekly .Begins again beginning of March.

Re: 19th century medical condition

Elise Cundiff

Yes, early March does make sunstroke unlikely (but still remotely possible).  I go back to paralysis as probable.  We just won't know what caused the paralysis - polio, a stroke, possible other infections.

Re: Notarial Documents

Barbara Ellman

Our ancestors used the notaries whenever a contract was called for: sale/purchase of property, business agreements and even dowry agreements.  The most genealogical information will be found in those notary records that relate to the family.

I know of a notary record that defined the fate of a dowry should the marriage end.  The bride's uncle was providing the dowry and the document named 3 generations of the family!

Notary records can be a good source of family information, but they generally require having go to the archives and search for relevant documents.

I'm not sure if there is any genealogical information to be gleaned from this particular transaction.

Barbara Ellman

Barbara Ellman
Secaucus NJ USA
ELLMAN, COIRA, MAIDMAN - Minkovtsy, Ukraine
KAGLE, FASS - Ulanow, Poland

Searching for Fusgeyer Descendants #romania

Carl Kaplan

I am searching for descendants of Fusgeyers, especially in the Boston area. Fusgeyers were Romanian and Moldovan Jews who "walked" across Europe and came to the U.S. between 1899 and 1914. Any information would be most appreciated. Thanks.

Re: Computer program

Alan Ehrlich

My vote also definitely goes to Brother's Keeper

First of all, not having your family tree right there on your computer, whether-or-not it's also online too, is very risky. Additionally, it's much easier to navigate through one's tree, print reports to share and flexibly keep detailed information for each person.

Moreover, besides being available interchangeably in dozens of languages, Brother's Keeper - since several decades - has been updated every couple of months or so, adding new features, reports, graphic presentations, 'bells and whistles', etc.

Kind regards,
Alan Ehrlich

JGS of Long Island Meeting

Jackie Wasserstein


Next Meeting Topic Is:




            Guest Speaker: Sue Fialkoff


Sue Fialkoff will describe her long search for a young relative’s second marriage a century ago.  Did Eloise Metzger marry a Mr. Manley, as records suggested?  If not, why did Eloise start using the name Manley?  This program will touch on helpful research strategies including refining you research questions, analyzing negative evidence, using non-traditional sources, and placing your research into historical context.


Sue is a graduate of the Boston University Certificate program in genealogical research and the ProGen genealogical study program.  She is a lifetime member of the JGS of greater Washington and edits Mishpacha, JGSGW’s quarterly  publication.


  Sunday, February 23 at 2:00 pm






Admission is free and all are Welcome.  Our “Mavens” are available at 1:30 PM to take your genealogy questions.


Jackie Wasserstein

 Past President

Re: Changing Market for Home DNA Testing

Alan Ehrlich

Another possibly significant factor that wasn't mentioned in the article: My experience is that 99% of the persons with matching DNA whom I contacted to exchange information never responded... At all.

Perhaps, that shouldn't have surprised me since,visibly, few enough persons, after testing (or even uploading their test results to other testing company's site), bother to add their ancestral family names/locations to these databases either.

Consequently, the 'promise' of finding additional family branches via the trees previously researched by our DNA matches (= relatives) perhaps too often goes unfulfilled...

Finally, if the perpetuity of the DNA testing companies' 'cousin matching databases' cannot be taken for granted, it can be argued that uploading one's DNA test results to non-testing company databases like are all the more important.

Kind regards,
Alan Ehrlich


Looking for people from Hertsa

Daniel Horowitz

Dear friends,

I am looking for descendants of people from Herta - Hertsa
( a
small town south of Czernowitz and some times considered Romania, part
of the Dorohoi county)
I plan to visit the town as part of a family trip in April to Ukraine,
of course I plan and hope to get some records of the Jews before WWII,
and photograph the cemetery - supposedly in a very bad share because
of the growing jungle.

If you are interested, do not hesitate to contact me privately.

Best regards
Daniel Horowitz

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