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Re: KESNER Family of Chicago #general

Rich <rich_malina@...>
 

Dear Ronny,

My mother was Barbara Ann Kesner, born in Chicago in 1928. She had a
sister, Eilene and a brother Burton; they have also passed away. My
mother's father was David Kesner, who died in 1960, and was married to
my grandmother, Ethel "Doll-face" Trotky-Kesner, who died in 1986.

I don't know when my grandfather, David, moved to Chicago, or where
from. My mother was his oldest child. He worked through the
depression as a bartender.

Warm regards,
Rich Malina
Mequon, WI

online 1924 Romanian directory #general

benweinstock@...
 

Dear friends,

I don't know if this information was posted previously, but there is a 1924
Romanian directory online (Library of Congress website); it also includes
Bessarabia and other regions that were part of pre-war Romania. The finding
aid is very helpful. Note that the towns are in Romanian spelling (example:
Vizhnitsa is spelled "Vijnita"):

http://www.loc.gov/rr/european/phonero/romdir.html

Ben Weinstock
NYC
Benweinstock@...

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: KESNER Family of Chicago #general

Rich <rich_malina@...>
 

Dear Ronny,

My mother was Barbara Ann Kesner, born in Chicago in 1928. She had a
sister, Eilene and a brother Burton; they have also passed away. My
mother's father was David Kesner, who died in 1960, and was married to
my grandmother, Ethel "Doll-face" Trotky-Kesner, who died in 1986.

I don't know when my grandfather, David, moved to Chicago, or where
from. My mother was his oldest child. He worked through the
depression as a bartender.

Warm regards,
Rich Malina
Mequon, WI

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen online 1924 Romanian directory #general

benweinstock@...
 

Dear friends,

I don't know if this information was posted previously, but there is a 1924
Romanian directory online (Library of Congress website); it also includes
Bessarabia and other regions that were part of pre-war Romania. The finding
aid is very helpful. Note that the towns are in Romanian spelling (example:
Vizhnitsa is spelled "Vijnita"):

http://www.loc.gov/rr/european/phonero/romdir.html

Ben Weinstock
NYC
Benweinstock@...

Rautel, Balti, Bessarabia, Romania #romania

Suzy Lampert <suzylampert@...>
 

Can anyone tell me about Rautel, Balti? Was this a concentration camp or
ghetto?

I just found the surname of my grandfather's family listed on Yad Vashem's
Pages of Testimony.

The information came >from a "list of inmates at Rautel, Balti, Bessarabia,
Romania." I do not know if this was a camp or ghetto. Did anyone survive
this camp/ghetto?

I have been searching for information about my grandfather's family for
several years and this is the first real lead I have found.

Thank you.

Suzy Lampert
Dallas, Texas USA
suzylampert@...
SEARCHING: BERLATCHI/BARLATCHY; STICKLER; SHAPIRO/SCHAPIRO all >from
Bessarabia, Romania.

Romania SIG #Romania Rautel, Balti, Bessarabia, Romania #romania

Suzy Lampert <suzylampert@...>
 

Can anyone tell me about Rautel, Balti? Was this a concentration camp or
ghetto?

I just found the surname of my grandfather's family listed on Yad Vashem's
Pages of Testimony.

The information came >from a "list of inmates at Rautel, Balti, Bessarabia,
Romania." I do not know if this was a camp or ghetto. Did anyone survive
this camp/ghetto?

I have been searching for information about my grandfather's family for
several years and this is the first real lead I have found.

Thank you.

Suzy Lampert
Dallas, Texas USA
suzylampert@...
SEARCHING: BERLATCHI/BARLATCHY; STICKLER; SHAPIRO/SCHAPIRO all >from
Bessarabia, Romania.

Zembin = Zjembin #belarus

Jules Feldman
 

See the book by Geoff Sifrin " To Gershn - Tales of People of Zjembin" ,
Johannesburg 1995

He brings there "Raizel's Story'' - the final 15 years of Zjembin in the
words of Raizel (Shifrin ) Ander.
On page 76-77 there is a list of some of the families murdered in Zjembin.
Among them are " Podnos family , the fire chief and his wife (his children
were in Moscow)"

You can contact Geoff in Johannesburg

Jules Feldman
Kibbutz Yizreel


I have been spending a lot of time looking into revision lists and ship
manifests and I have come up to a brick wall. I am looking for my great
grandmothers family: Pudnos or Podnos >from Zembin. I am sure her father,
Moshe Pudnos b. around 1848, had sisters. I have yet to find mariage
information.

Belarus SIG #Belarus Zembin = Zjembin #belarus

Jules Feldman
 

See the book by Geoff Sifrin " To Gershn - Tales of People of Zjembin" ,
Johannesburg 1995

He brings there "Raizel's Story'' - the final 15 years of Zjembin in the
words of Raizel (Shifrin ) Ander.
On page 76-77 there is a list of some of the families murdered in Zjembin.
Among them are " Podnos family , the fire chief and his wife (his children
were in Moscow)"

You can contact Geoff in Johannesburg

Jules Feldman
Kibbutz Yizreel


I have been spending a lot of time looking into revision lists and ship
manifests and I have come up to a brick wall. I am looking for my great
grandmothers family: Pudnos or Podnos >from Zembin. I am sure her father,
Moshe Pudnos b. around 1848, had sisters. I have yet to find mariage
information.

Re: CHAMARMER/KHAMARMER names from Vitebsk #belarus

Asp116@...
 

Looking for family who came here >from Vitebsk between 1880 and 1930. Thank
you.
Sheila Rosenfeld Pianin
New York, N.Y., USA
reply: asp116@...

Belarus SIG #Belarus re: CHAMARMER/KHAMARMER names from Vitebsk #belarus

Asp116@...
 

Looking for family who came here >from Vitebsk between 1880 and 1930. Thank
you.
Sheila Rosenfeld Pianin
New York, N.Y., USA
reply: asp116@...

Klepy [Gossip] - an epic tale of *holocaust ephemera survival* #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

As readers of this SIG know, I do not find it hard to
write postings on a wide variety of subjects. I have
just written about postcards that have survived the
holocaust and here is an epic tale of *holocaust
ephemera survival* >from Bohemia.

There is one subject which I knew I had to write about
but which I keep putting off. The reason is quite
simple - it concerns a member of our SIG, John Freund
of Toronto. I have not met John personally, but he
made a great effort to deliver a book "The Underground
Reporters" [Kathy Kacer, Second Story Press 2004 ISBN
1-896764-85-1] to my son in NY six weeks ago.

When a "children's"? book receives a glowing review
from a historian of the stature of Sir Martin Gilbert*
who wrote to John and described the book as "one of
the most powerful books I have read on the Holocaust
and beautifully written" we definitely have to sit up
and take notice.

I used inverted commas advisedly, as I do not consider
this to be a book solely for children. The book
concerns John and his childhood friends in Ceske
Budejovice [Budweis], Bohemia. John survived the
holocaust but his parents Dr Gustav and Irma FREUND
and brother Karel tragically did not. John was one of
the few survivors of this town. John's experiences
were horrendous - he was a messenger boy for Dr
Mengele. Need I say more?

The book is about 22 editions of a newspaper, Klepy,
that the youngsters of Budejovice wrote before they
were deported. Klepy is one of the few Czech words I
now know - it means *gossip*. This is not just an
ordinary newspaper; it was very professionally edited
by a team of handsome teenagers: Ruda STADLER, Karli
HIRSCH, Rudi FURTH and Jiri FURTH. They were
desperate that Klepy survives and hid the complete
bundle with a friendly Christian housekeeper, Thereza.
After the war she returned them to survivor, Irene
STADLER [Ruda's sister]. In 1989, after an absence
of 41 years, John Freund returned to Bohemia and
visited Irene in Prague. He found that all 22 issues
of Klepy had miraculously survived.

This is what I wrote to John and I reproduce it with
his permission: " So tragic, yet so triumphant. It is
true that books can be burnt but the letters live on
and here the "books" have also miraculously survived
and the "letters" are a testimony to the wonderful
young people who helped create **KLEPY** and
who never came back.

And you were there as a sort of "guardian angel" to
help bring them back to life.

They are now not forgotten and they will remain in our
minds, always, as creative and fulfilled lives ..very
short, but nevertheless fulfilled. After all, there
are many people who live a full life span and really
leave very little behind.

All your friends would be chuckling and laughing if
they knew what their newspaper had achieved. What
more can I say as the tears roll down my face?"

Celia Male [UK]

* References

1. Martin Gilbert: enter his name in your browser.
Martin Gilbert is professor of Holocaust Studies at
University College, London. He is the author of many
books, including Final Journey, The Holocaust: The
Jewish Tragedy; & Atlas of the Holocaust.

2. The Underground Reporters [nb long url]
http://www.secondstorypress.on.ca/youngadult/
underground/underground.html

3. John Freund
http://www.cet.ac.il/terezin/f-eng4.htm

4. Mengele messengers - see also
http://www.qmag.org/ideart00.html
and one long url
http://chs.cusd.claremont.edu/~corchard/report/mengele
story.html

5. Klepy is now kept by the Jewish Museum Prague

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Klepy [Gossip] - an epic tale of *holocaust ephemera survival* #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

As readers of this SIG know, I do not find it hard to
write postings on a wide variety of subjects. I have
just written about postcards that have survived the
holocaust and here is an epic tale of *holocaust
ephemera survival* >from Bohemia.

There is one subject which I knew I had to write about
but which I keep putting off. The reason is quite
simple - it concerns a member of our SIG, John Freund
of Toronto. I have not met John personally, but he
made a great effort to deliver a book "The Underground
Reporters" [Kathy Kacer, Second Story Press 2004 ISBN
1-896764-85-1] to my son in NY six weeks ago.

When a "children's"? book receives a glowing review
from a historian of the stature of Sir Martin Gilbert*
who wrote to John and described the book as "one of
the most powerful books I have read on the Holocaust
and beautifully written" we definitely have to sit up
and take notice.

I used inverted commas advisedly, as I do not consider
this to be a book solely for children. The book
concerns John and his childhood friends in Ceske
Budejovice [Budweis], Bohemia. John survived the
holocaust but his parents Dr Gustav and Irma FREUND
and brother Karel tragically did not. John was one of
the few survivors of this town. John's experiences
were horrendous - he was a messenger boy for Dr
Mengele. Need I say more?

The book is about 22 editions of a newspaper, Klepy,
that the youngsters of Budejovice wrote before they
were deported. Klepy is one of the few Czech words I
now know - it means *gossip*. This is not just an
ordinary newspaper; it was very professionally edited
by a team of handsome teenagers: Ruda STADLER, Karli
HIRSCH, Rudi FURTH and Jiri FURTH. They were
desperate that Klepy survives and hid the complete
bundle with a friendly Christian housekeeper, Thereza.
After the war she returned them to survivor, Irene
STADLER [Ruda's sister]. In 1989, after an absence
of 41 years, John Freund returned to Bohemia and
visited Irene in Prague. He found that all 22 issues
of Klepy had miraculously survived.

This is what I wrote to John and I reproduce it with
his permission: " So tragic, yet so triumphant. It is
true that books can be burnt but the letters live on
and here the "books" have also miraculously survived
and the "letters" are a testimony to the wonderful
young people who helped create **KLEPY** and
who never came back.

And you were there as a sort of "guardian angel" to
help bring them back to life.

They are now not forgotten and they will remain in our
minds, always, as creative and fulfilled lives ..very
short, but nevertheless fulfilled. After all, there
are many people who live a full life span and really
leave very little behind.

All your friends would be chuckling and laughing if
they knew what their newspaper had achieved. What
more can I say as the tears roll down my face?"

Celia Male [UK]

* References

1. Martin Gilbert: enter his name in your browser.
Martin Gilbert is professor of Holocaust Studies at
University College, London. He is the author of many
books, including Final Journey, The Holocaust: The
Jewish Tragedy; & Atlas of the Holocaust.

2. The Underground Reporters [nb long url]
http://www.secondstorypress.on.ca/youngadult/
underground/underground.html

3. John Freund
http://www.cet.ac.il/terezin/f-eng4.htm

4. Mengele messengers - see also
http://www.qmag.org/ideart00.html
and one long url
http://chs.cusd.claremont.edu/~corchard/report/mengele
story.html

5. Klepy is now kept by the Jewish Museum Prague

* Memorabilia sold on the Internet #austria-czech

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

At 00:00 -0600 29.12.2004, robert fraser wrote:
Subject: RE: Judenrat, Vienna - Erich and Grete Breuer
Personally. I find it inconceivable that anyone should want to sell
such a document as a card posted >from Theresienstadt on the open
market. Even if it's of no personal value, it is of value to a keeper
True, but some comments are due. There are many reasons why such
documents could end up in auctions or commercial sales. Some
possibilities:

(1) Many political and non-Jewish persons were imprisoned in Terezin.
Some of the postal cards I saw prove that. Jews are particularly
sensitive and emotional about Holocaust related issues, but that may
not be the case of non-Jews. So they could dispose of such documents
without consideration for their "emotional value".

(2) People in need of money could sell them, knowing that for an
antiques dealer or auctioneer they may have some value, so by
selling them they could make a buck or two.

(3) Written in several languages (mainly German, Hungarian and Czech)
such documents could have been discarded by people who can't read
them or do not know the story behind Terezin.

(4) Again, as much as many of us are emotionally attached to the
remnants of that terrible era, 60 years and 2 generations later that
may not be the case. So a young person, who found old documents in
his/her parents or grandparents home, could easily dispose, sell or
trash them without "emotional regrets".

BTW, Celia raised a *very interesting* issue for us, genealogical
researchers. The auction in question [name omitted] carries daily
thousands of little jewels in terms of documents >from any era. I have
been following them for long and have learned a lot about customs, clothing
and fashion, places (old postcards, try the keywords "synagogue hungary",
no quotes) and alike. A real thrill for weirdos like me :-)

My 2 cents for today
Tom
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@...>
Sao Paulo - Brazil

Rav Shmuel ben Arieh Leib of Kremenetz #rabbinic

ben-ari <yrcdi@...>
 

It was very interesting seeing the Kremenetz Pinkas on the computer
(NYPL).

On p. 29 there are a few mentions of the rabbi of the community
during the mid 18th cent. - Shmuel ben Arieh Leib. As my family tree
shows that joint descendants (father and son with the same names as
above) of the MaHaRSHaL and the MaHaRaL were Rabbis of Kremenetz
about this period of time I would be happy to hear if anyone else is
connected with these individuals.

After researching books by R' Meir Wunder and Dr. Neil Rosenstein,
they record >from the MaHaRSHaL and MaHaRaL down to Shmuel of
Kremenetz but they don't go further down to our generations.

According to our records, Shmuel had a son (or son-in-law) a Yosef
of Breznitz (a town which I have not yet identified) who may have
been the Moreh Zedek (religious teacher?) of this town/city. This
Yosef may also have been a student of Yehoshua Heshel of Ostrah. His
family was also connected to the rabbinical/chassidic families of
Lechowitz and Stolin.

Our family tree is connected to, researched independently of, the
family trees of the PAPIRNE and ZEIVELD families in Jerusalem.

Later generations within our tree have the names of ROSENBAUM and
SCHECHTER.

If the above genealogies are familiar to anyone I would be very
happy to hear.

In the past I've received some responses to the above request, but
unfortunately some of the replies were lost. Also, perhaps some of
those researchers may have some new information that may be of
interest.

Thank you,

Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat, Israel

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech * Memorabilia sold on the Internet #austria-czech

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

At 00:00 -0600 29.12.2004, robert fraser wrote:
Subject: RE: Judenrat, Vienna - Erich and Grete Breuer
Personally. I find it inconceivable that anyone should want to sell
such a document as a card posted >from Theresienstadt on the open
market. Even if it's of no personal value, it is of value to a keeper
True, but some comments are due. There are many reasons why such
documents could end up in auctions or commercial sales. Some
possibilities:

(1) Many political and non-Jewish persons were imprisoned in Terezin.
Some of the postal cards I saw prove that. Jews are particularly
sensitive and emotional about Holocaust related issues, but that may
not be the case of non-Jews. So they could dispose of such documents
without consideration for their "emotional value".

(2) People in need of money could sell them, knowing that for an
antiques dealer or auctioneer they may have some value, so by
selling them they could make a buck or two.

(3) Written in several languages (mainly German, Hungarian and Czech)
such documents could have been discarded by people who can't read
them or do not know the story behind Terezin.

(4) Again, as much as many of us are emotionally attached to the
remnants of that terrible era, 60 years and 2 generations later that
may not be the case. So a young person, who found old documents in
his/her parents or grandparents home, could easily dispose, sell or
trash them without "emotional regrets".

BTW, Celia raised a *very interesting* issue for us, genealogical
researchers. The auction in question [name omitted] carries daily
thousands of little jewels in terms of documents >from any era. I have
been following them for long and have learned a lot about customs, clothing
and fashion, places (old postcards, try the keywords "synagogue hungary",
no quotes) and alike. A real thrill for weirdos like me :-)

My 2 cents for today
Tom
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@...>
Sao Paulo - Brazil

Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Rav Shmuel ben Arieh Leib of Kremenetz #rabbinic

ben-ari <yrcdi@...>
 

It was very interesting seeing the Kremenetz Pinkas on the computer
(NYPL).

On p. 29 there are a few mentions of the rabbi of the community
during the mid 18th cent. - Shmuel ben Arieh Leib. As my family tree
shows that joint descendants (father and son with the same names as
above) of the MaHaRSHaL and the MaHaRaL were Rabbis of Kremenetz
about this period of time I would be happy to hear if anyone else is
connected with these individuals.

After researching books by R' Meir Wunder and Dr. Neil Rosenstein,
they record >from the MaHaRSHaL and MaHaRaL down to Shmuel of
Kremenetz but they don't go further down to our generations.

According to our records, Shmuel had a son (or son-in-law) a Yosef
of Breznitz (a town which I have not yet identified) who may have
been the Moreh Zedek (religious teacher?) of this town/city. This
Yosef may also have been a student of Yehoshua Heshel of Ostrah. His
family was also connected to the rabbinical/chassidic families of
Lechowitz and Stolin.

Our family tree is connected to, researched independently of, the
family trees of the PAPIRNE and ZEIVELD families in Jerusalem.

Later generations within our tree have the names of ROSENBAUM and
SCHECHTER.

If the above genealogies are familiar to anyone I would be very
happy to hear.

In the past I've received some responses to the above request, but
unfortunately some of the replies were lost. Also, perhaps some of
those researchers may have some new information that may be of
interest.

Thank you,

Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat, Israel

Rautel, Balti, Bessarabia, Romania #general

adam teitelbaum
 

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Rautel, Balti, Bessarabia, Romania #general

adam teitelbaum
 

WWII deaths #general

Avenfla
 

I am looking for family that may have been killed in the Russian Army during
World War II. Any suggestions on where to look or write?

Ellen Aven

Gershkovich/ Tiraspol, Akkerman, Odessa
Kourotchka/ Akkerman , Odessa
Lisnik, Lisnek, Lesnik, Lasnick, Lesnick/Dubasary, England, Chicago
Toberof/ Vilna, New York
Melamet/ Roumania, New York, Indiana

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen WWII deaths #general

Avenfla
 

I am looking for family that may have been killed in the Russian Army during
World War II. Any suggestions on where to look or write?

Ellen Aven

Gershkovich/ Tiraspol, Akkerman, Odessa
Kourotchka/ Akkerman , Odessa
Lisnik, Lisnek, Lesnik, Lasnick, Lesnick/Dubasary, England, Chicago
Toberof/ Vilna, New York
Melamet/ Roumania, New York, Indiana