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Re: Changing Market for Home DNA Testing
Despite all the caveats, DNA testing has made a huge difference in my research:
Thanks to (and through) 23andMe, I was contacted by someone who turned out to be a cousin -- different last name, living in Brazil, but "Half identical, 672 cM, 23 segments" -- who's made me aware of (and put me in touch with) an entire "second family" that my uncle (born in Poland, living in Chicago) "created" while travelling regularly to Rio de Janeiro! (Which explains a story that my mother always told me about her brother's wife selling his business out from under him while he was away on one of his "business" trips!)
I am happy to say that -- through me, and thanks to a couple of 23andMe DNA tests -- a new generation of half-sisters have finally been connected with each other!
Lesson: Never, ever, ever give up!
Researching: GELBFISZ/FISH/GOLDWYN (Warsaw, Los Angeles), LEBENSOLD/LIBENSCHULD/and variants (anywhere), SZAFIR/SHAFFER/ and variants (Warsaw, New York, elsewhere in USA), KORN (Poland, Philippines, San Francisco), BORENSTEIN (Poland, USA, Canada), WERNER (Poland, Glasgow) ...
Additionally, in/from Poland: BAUMEISTER, BRUMBERG, GUTLIEZER, HOPPENGARTEN, JARECKA, KORMAN, LEVY, NUSBAUM, OPOSDOWER, REJZMAN, ZEMSZ,
Re: #translations #Latvian
Thank you, Marion. I used the template that ViewMate suggested.
Leizer might have gone to South Africa for a visit.
Looking for family of Morgenroth from Wurzburg Germany.
I am looking for family by the name of Morgenroth/Morgenroth/Morgenrood from Wurzburg
Yiddish poet FRID VAYNINGER, FREED WEININGER, MOYSHE FRIDMAN 29 July 1915 - 4 Dec 1988
I am forwarding this message from Anne Knafl. She posted the message on the Association of Jewish Libraries discussion group (Hasafran).
It says he was born in Czernowitz, Bukovina 29 July 1915 and died in Israel 4 Dec 1988.
He lived for some time in New York, received a Masters degree in psychiatric social work from Wayne State University in Detroit, made aliya to Israel in 1968.
Read the 2 comments at the end of the Yiddish Leksikon web page (URL above).
There was a book of poems published in Israel under a name that may be a relative:
Fridman, Yaakov. . Yisroel, 1974. Mck PJ 5129.F78 L53 1974 vol.2
and another book published in Israel under the name
Vayninger, Frid. . Tel-Aviv, 1981. Mck PJ 5129.W396 O94 1981
There is a picture of Michael Vayninger, a student who attended the UWM (University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee) Math Circle.
In 2014 he was a winner of a National math contest.at W H Taft High School in Chicago.
He won again, perhaps at the Brompton School, in 2015.
If you have data of value for Anne, please contact her directly. Her contact data is in the appended message below.
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020
GOLDMANN / BIELENBERG Family in Berlin
Help needed to find death date(s), burial locations, or other information regarding the fate of these family members in Berlin: Henriette Bielenberg, nee Goldmann, born September 6, 1854, possibly in Namyslow (Namslau); married June 4, 1881, in Berlin to Hermann Henrick Christian Bielenberg. In 1915 Directory, Henriette lived at Katzbachstrasse 14, Berlin.
Also, any information about Henriette's two daughters: Ernestine (Erna) Schmid-Bielenberg, nee Bielenberg, born in Berlin on June 4, 1881, and Hanna Bielenberg, born in Berlin on July 19, 1886. Ernestine Karen-Schmid Bielenberg appears in the 1939 German Minority Census along with her husband and three children at Drakestrasse 61A, Lichterfelde-West, Germany. Hanna is listed in the same census at Katzbachstrasse 14, Berlin, Germany. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Kristina Bielenberg, Calais, Vermont USA
Re: Asking Family For Information
Have a list of specific questions but also have some bit of information that they may not know
about which will pique their interest and get them to respond more fully.
main@... [mailto:main@...] On Behalf Of Shmuel Meyer
Gustav (Gustave) GOLDMANN (Goldman)
Any help would be appreciated in identifying the parents and birth location of Gustav Goldmann, who resided most of his life in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA. Gustav emigrated about 1874 from Germany, listing Berlin as his home. However, the 1871 Lubech census lists him as a "foreigner" from Namyslow (Namslau). His birth date is March 7, 1852; he died in Pittsburgh on June 28, 1932. He married Martha Bielenberg in 1890 in New York City.
Kristina Bielenberg, Calais, Vermont USA
Changing Market for Home DNA Testing
Part of the problem with dna testing services is that our expectations are too high and their explanations are too minimal, and often not read.
1. There is a lot of "noise" dna out there that matches, especially for Ashkenazi Jews and other communities with a long history of intra-marriage. For that reason, a large number of centiMorgans of match may not tell us much except that at some point in history, there was a common ancestor. The problem is that for Jews whose ancestors come from eastern Europe, records only began to be kept in the 1800s, and many of those records have since been destroyed or temporarily lost. For that reason, we can neither confirm nor deny a relationship based on a common ancestor who was born much before 1800. What tells us in a rough way how long ago the common ancestor lived is the second number, the length of the longest consecutive string of matching dna. It seems to require a minimum of 20 cMs, and more often 40 cMs, to find a common ancestor after 1800.
2. We each can be sure that we are receiving 50% of our dna from each parent. Thus, in a perfect statistical world, grandfather (gf) would have 50% of greatgrandfather’s (ggf) dna and 50% greatgrandmother’s dna. Gf’s son father (f) would have 25% ggf dna, and father’s son (s) would have 12.5% ggf. However, that is not exactly how it works because
3. the 50% of each of your parent's genes you receive is a RANDOM half. Assume that ggf had only 8 genes, A-H. Assume further that gf inherited 4 of them, genes A-D, 50%. F inherited 50% of gf’s genes, but which ones? It could have been A-D, in which case father would have 50% ggf genes, just like gf. If father inherited genes E-H, father would have no ggf genes. Either result is possible, though neither is the most statistically likely. It is more likely that f inherited 3, 2, or 1 ggf genes. Let's say he inherited 2, though it might as easily have been 1 or 3. Now I make my grand entrance into the world. How many ggf genes do I get? Maximum is 2, because that was all f had. I am more likely to get 1 than 2, and more likely to get none than 2, because I had only a 1 in 4 chance of getting any, since only 2 of father’s genes were ggf genes.
4. Which seems depressing for the likelihood of finding relatives by dna testing, but the good news is that we each have more than 8 genes. We have about 3 billion “base pairs”. Even at the remove of 5 generations, there is likely to be some evidence of relatedness.
This is why my test reports such different numbers of matched centiMorgans for people who bear the same relationship to me. My known second cousins vary from 291 total matched centiMorgans/75 cMs longest matched segment to 240/43 to 200/21. I have a third cousin with whom I share only 103 cMs, but our longest consecutive string is 60 cMs.
Sometimes I think that science is not nearly as precise as we non-scientists believe. Or perhaps it is very precise, but we need to learn to read it better. For Ashkenazi Jews, big total cMs are not as important as long length of longest strand.
That raises three problems with home dna testing companies. I have tested with Family Tree DNA and Ancestrydna, and posted my Family Tree results to MyHeritage, so I can only speak about those services.
The services vary in different ways. Ancestrydna advertises that it has the largest database. My hunch is that Family Tree DNA has the largest Jewish database. MyHeritage and Family Tree DNA provide a host of services and information for comparing your results with others. Ancestrydna does not even provide the length of the longest continuous stretch of matching dna; you can try to figure it out from the number of segments counted and the total amount that matches, but that is just a guess.
Those services that ask for ancestral surnames do not ask very effectively. The time to ask is in your application for the testing kit, but that would slow down the moment when the customer pays his money. They could direct you to an appropriate form when they send you notice that your results are ready, but they do not. You must find it yourself.
It is incredibly frustrating to have a match and message the person, but receive no response. I always send my ancestral surnames and locations to my matches. I assume that a person who does not respond finds no matching surname or geography, but that is not always true. Some known relatives have not responded. An alternate explanation is that these are people who received the test kit as a gift or who did the test as an accommodation to a close family member, but are really not interested.
On messaging, there is a big difference between Family Tree DNA, which provides the e-mail address of your matches, and Ancestrydna and MyHeritage, which require that you communicate through their internal messaging service. For a period the latter did not allow use of the messaging service if you did not continue to subscribe. I think they have discontinued that limitation.
The changing market for home DNA testing may simply reflect a changing fad, disillusionment due to excessively high expectations, too many companies dividing the market, or the fact that most people who want testing have done it. Company mergers might benefit users because they would increase the size of the database used for comparison, but one must always be aware that there are competition laws both in Europe and the U.S. that may present legal impediments to mergers, or even sharing of databases between companies.
Professor of Law, University of San Diego
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Stern-Perl family in Brooklyn NY.
Looking to make contact with the family of Avraham David Perl and his
wife Meita (Marta) born Stern in Strimtura, Rumania in 1881 and came
to the US in about 1913 and were Sighter Chassidim in Williamsburg and
members of the Sighter synagogue on Hewes Street
New publication of Jews of Czestochowa, translation of Tshenstokhover Yidn
The Yizkor-Books-In-Print Project is pleased to announce its 92st
title: Jews of Czestochowa, translation of Tshenstokhover Yidn
Original Book Edited by Dr. Raphael Mahler
Published by the United Czestochower Relief Committee and Ladies
Auxiliary, NY 1947
Project Coordinator and Translator: Gloria Berkenstat Freund
Layout: Donni Magid and Janice Sellers
Cover Design: Rachel Kolokoff Hopper
Hard Cover, 11” by 8.5”, 824 pages with all original illustrations and
This Memorial Book was written by former residents of Czestochowa,
Poland. Some who left the town before the war wrote articles and
essays about the rich Jewish life in town: the people, the dreamers,
the doers, the ultra-religious, the secular, the Zionists, the
socialists…The various institutions in town, the charities and the
help societies for the needy.
This book contains many first-hand accounts and personal remembrances
of the survivors and emigrees from these towns and serves at a fitting
memorial to these destroyed Jewish communities and in addition bears
witness to their destruction.
For the researchers, this book contains a wealth of both genealogical
and cultural information that can provide us with a picture of the
environment our ancestors left when they left the town.
Consider this book as a Purim gift to a special relative.
For all our publications see: https://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/ybip.html
For ordering information see:
Discounts available for orders of 4 or more books: email to ybip@...
List price: $72.95 Available on Amazon for around $53 may have lower
Czestochowa is located at 50 deg 48 min / 19 deg 00min
Alternate names for the town are: Czestochowa [Polish], Chenstochov
[Yiddish], Tschenstochau [German], Censtochová [Czech], Chenstokhova
[Russian], Chenstokhov, Chestokhova, Tshenstokhov
Nearby Jewish communities:
Olsztyn 7 miles ESE
Mstow 8 miles ENE
Kamyk 9 miles NNW
Klobuck 11 miles NW
Aurelow 13 miles NE
Truskolasy 13 miles WNW
Miedzno 14 miles NNW
Janow, (near Czestochowa) 15 miles ESE
Zarki 16 miles SE
Przyrow 17 miles E
Myszkow 18 miles SE
Re: LUCHANSKY, Koshevata, Ukraine and LUBCHANSKY, Grodno, Belarus
There is more similarity in English between the two surnames than there is in Russia. Lubchansky is, most likely, is LYUBchansky in Russian. It is the same issue of transliteration as with my own name: Feldblyum vs. Feldblum.
There is a town of Lyubcha in Belarus, which was probably the source of the name Lyubchansky.
OTOH, there is a town of Luchin somewhere in the Kiev region, which was probably the source of the Nmae Luchinsky, Luchansky, etc.
That is not to say, however, that the two families cannot be related, or that a spelling variation could not be introduced in the US.
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Re: Mogilev Birth Index #belarus
On FamilySearch, I found the following index to multiple books of vital records from Mogilev:
The records are handwritten in Russian and Hebrew, and the microfilm images can be viewed online. Image quality is faint and hard to read.
The absence of a child's name from the birth record index is likely to indicate a male who died before the age of one week.
Have you updated your or your societies' website to https? This is critical
Jan Meisels Allen
Google announced this week that they will be blocking download of files, including pdfs, from non-HTTPS sites on Chrome browser starting with the next few releases this year. This includes if you have a mixture of http and https [ages non https downloads started on secure pages.
“Starting in Chrome 82 (to be released April 2020), Chrome will gradually start warning on, and later blocking, these mixed content downloads. File types that pose the most risk to users (e.g., executables) will be impacted first, with subsequent releases covering more file types.”
Google plans plan to roll out restrictions on mixed content downloads on desktop platforms (Windows, macOS, Chrome OS and Linux) first. Their plan for desktop platforms is as follows:
Thank you to David Oseas, JGSCV webmaster for sharing this information.
Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee
Re: Brothers Spell Their Name Differently
I would enter both BOTH men as Tabachnik/Tabatchnik. That way, anything that
appears under each can be compared for parents, residences. etc.
Molly Arost Staub
Boca Raton, FL
Re: Jewish Museum of Deportation and Resistance, Mechelen, Belgium's Web site
is one of many items that popped up in a google search. it has an extensive list of links, databases, etc related to the Holocaust in Belgium
Linda Riesenberg Rakoff
Newton, Massachusetts, USA
ASCHNER‑Assakurte, Berko, Beuthen/Bytom, Berlin, Bratislava, Brezova p. Bradlom, Brunn, Budapest, Cakovec , Chorzow [Konigshutte], Danzig, Hradiste nad Vratom, Katlo, Kattowitz, Nyitra, Kosice, Ratibor, Spisska Nova Ves, Warsaw, Wien, Wroclaw, Zagreb,
GELBERG, LIFSHITZ, SOLOMON‑Galati
GOLDMAN(N), LANGER ‑Kosice, Bolyar; Miskolc, Presov
LOW'Y‑Brezova, Hradiste, Spisska Nova Ves;
MELTZER, PERLBINDER, LADENHEIM‑‑ Horodenka, Zaleszczyki, Galicia
RIESENBERG‑ Horodenka, Kasperowce, Zaleszczyki
WWII German Ammunition Factory in Minden, Westfalen, Germany #germany
Marsha Abraham Shapiro
From 1942-45, my mother worked, with false identity papers, in an ammunition factory located in the district of Minden, Westfalen, Germany. I would like to identify the name of the factory. She remembered the owner's surname as something like Siddorf.
Marsha Abraham Shapiro
ABRAHAM, HOFFMAN, KOENIGSBERG, ACKERMAN - Nagyrakocz/Vel'ky Rakovec, Polyana, Hungary/Czechoslovakia
BOHRER, WACHS/WAKS - Dabrowica (Podkarpackie),Grodzisko, Lezajsk, Jastrzebiec, Kurylowka,Tarnawiec,Poland
WAGNER - Dabrowica (Podkarpackie), Poland
ZIMMERMAN - Tarnogrod, Poland
Re: Looking for help please - searching great grandparents - ALBEITMAN /PFEFFER
I can see from Harry’s naturalisation papers that he was born in Warsaw and was of Russian nationality.
I have tried searching for any records for my family on JewishGen. The only record that comes up for me is the marriage of Eva Albeitman to Richard Ingram.
I would like to ask if anyone is able and willing , to perhaps search for the birth record / marriage record of Esther Milly PFEFFER to Mark (Mordechai) Albeitman.
I would assume they were married in Warsaw. I have no knowledge of any siblings. According to Esther and Mark’s headstone, both had fathers named Abraham.
I have seen the name David Pfeiffer written on an envelope by my grandfather Richard. I have no idea who David might be.
I am at a total loss as to how to proceed from here.
I thank you in advance for any help anyone is able to give me.
Mogilev Birth Index #belarus
While researching the surname, YUDIN, I came across the "Mogilev Birth Index for Boys, 1864-1894 Database" on JewishGen. The index had the following information:
YUDIN (surname)---1879 (birth)---- 248 (index)--- Leiba (father).
How/where can I see a copy of the original document? Would it be available online??
Researching: Yudin, Kwass/Kvass/Kuoss,
LEBRECHT - BRASCH search
Is there anyone with LEBRECHT and BRASCH research in East and West Prussia ?
Edward Yuda LEBRECHT (b.2 Nov 1822-Liebemuehl,Kreis Osterode d.14 Nov
1899/12 Nov 1900-Strasburg
Charlotte BRASCH (b.31 Dec 1832/1 Jan 1833-Bladiau,Heiligenbeil d.9
related location: Briesen,West Prussia, Bladiau,Heiligenbeil, Gollub, Berlin
Hagenau,Kr Mohrungen,East Prussia
Re: Asking Family For Information
It does depend on how much you already know, what you are looking for and how close you are to the family members.
Start with what you know and let them fill in the rest. People will add to or correct, the blank form can be daunting.
I've had mixed results with relatives, some will give you a lot of info, others just won't.
You can follow up with emails and phone calls, but unless you are in the same room, you can't be sure of results.
I record the conversation, if I can. Using an app on my phone is less intrusive, people forget it's on.
I had a phone call once with a cousin, I tried to keep her on track, but things went off the rails pretty quickly.
Memory is a fluid thing, it meanders and wanders and connects in strange ways. Older relatives can get tired, or emotional. You have to legislate for that.
If you search for family history questionnaire genealogy, you'll find some great lists of questions.
Looking through them will give you an idea of how broad you can go.
There are some useful forms online, I searched for: family history form genealogy