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Re: Kanth near Breslau, Silesia ( now called Katy Wroclawskie)

André Günther
 

hi,
each town everywhere decides if they would allow Stolpersteine or not.


Please help us solve a 50 Yr Old Family Mystery! #general #poland

FamilySearchPoland
 

Hello All,

We have a 50+ year family secret we'd love to solve.  Our mother and her sisters took their grave any knowledge of my Grandma Bessie Appel / Pesa Appel.  Growing up we were told she was deceased, which in fact, my Mother and Her siblings were taken away and placed into foster homes. So we understand a lot of negativity transpired that may have led to everything being kept hidden.  But now, these individuals have all passed away, and we have a gaping hole in our family tree.

Our Grandmother was Bessie Appel Married Charles Denenberg.  Bessie was not her name at birth.  We believe she was Pesa Appel.  Her Parents are listed as Moses Appel and Esther Goldman.  Though, our only proof of Bessie / Pesa's parents are on the Marriage Registry where their names are listed by Bessie on the entry. An adoption record exists for Bessie Appel's children where a Jacob Appel is mentioned.  Another document references a Brother (name redacted though).  We believe Jacob to be Bessie's Brother through all the research we've conducted. There is simply no other Jacob Appel in the entire state of Michigan that had a sister, and her name was Pesa. We are not sure the exact relation, and it could be through adoption in Poland, Half Brother, or full flood relations.  We have been unable to substantiate Pesa / Bessie's exact lineage.  Our research has been unable to locate a Moses Appel and Esther Goldman who had a daughter named Bessie or Pesa born in 1902 in Tomaszow Poland.

CAN YOU HELP SOLVE THIS MYSTERY AND LINK PESA APPEL TO MOSES APPEL + ESTHER GOLDMAN?  ----- > See Attached Documents for a synopsis of all we know.

1.
1920.detroit..jpg  - See Line #1.  You'll see Pesa Appel is sailing on the S.S. Scandinavian from Antwerp on September 23, 1920 headed to Detroit, Michigan.  She was Debarred.

2. pesaappelOct1920manifestpg2familysearch.jpg - Nothing of much importance.  7/6/20 says Pesa Appel is in good health.

3.  pesaappelOct1920manifestv2pg2famsearch.jpg - 10/1/20 - B.S.I affidavit on file. Admin Bond 1 yr 1/230/434 Debarred Oct 1, 1920

4.  pesaappelOct1920manifestfamilysearch.jpg - You can see she was headed to Detroit, Michigan to see her brother Jacob Appel.  She was Debarred in Quebec Canada.

5. Bessie2.jpg - On May 16, 1922 she must have traveled to Detroit, Michigan at some point, because she was married to Charles Denenberg.  Parents Listed as Moses Appel and Esther Goldman.

6. pesaappelOct1922manifestv2famsearch.jpg  = July 20, 1922.  Pesa Appel lists No Relatives from where she came from.

7. 1922.CPOS.Manifest.jpg - List or Manifest of Alien Passengers Applying for Admission to the United States via per C.P.O.S on July 24,1922. Line #1. She is there to vist her brother Jacob Appel and lists her place of birth as Tomaszow, Poland.

8. 1922.Immigration.service.jpg - Self Explanatory

9.  1920-Jacob.and.family.Census.jpg - Line #31 - Jacob Appel and Family

10. 1930-Jacob.and.family.jpg - Line #82 - Jacob Appel and Family

11. 1940 Census-jacob.and.Lillie.jpg - Line #50 & #51 - Jacob Appel and his wife Lilly

12. 1940-philip.jpg - Jacob Appel's Son Phillip R. Appel, his Wife Bula Appel, and their daughter Nancy. Line #74
 
13. Death.jpg - Bessie Appel's Death Certificate.


Re: This week's Yizkor book excerpt on the JewishGen Facebook page

Bob Fitterman
 

I interacted with NIAB Grodno in 2013 and was able to obtain a single record. I told them what record I wanted. They replied with a draft invoice and the forms I had to complete. The invoice included SWIFT transfer information for their bank and I was able to wire the funds to their account. Each step of the process was slow and it was a few months after the payment and submission of forms that my records were delivered by the postal service.

I was able to do everything via bilingual emails (English/Russian). The Russian was all translated via Google Translate and while it wasn't perfect it was enough to facilitate the transaction. Their responses I received were only in Russian.

Bob Fitterman
New York City


Re: Finding JewishJen referenced document in Lithuanian archives

boris
 

KRA must refer to the Kaunas archives.

 


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ROTTERSMAN

Sheldon Dan <sheldan1955@...>
 

I am currently researching the ancestors of my mother's father, Samuel ROTTERSMAN (1895-1947).  Samuel was the son of Isaac ROTTERSMAN, who was born in 1861 in Stanislawice, Poland, near Bochnia and died in 1931 in Bochnia.  The family tree includes a lot of entries from Bochnia, Stanislawice, and Brzesko.

Isaac Rottersman was married twice.  His first wife was Mishket (Malka) BLONSKI, who was born in 1860 in Cikowice.  They apparently had seven children, but the only ones I was previously familiar with were my grandfather and two others.  Two of his sisters were Sadie Rottersman SIZELER (1889-1965) and Esther Rottersman Blonski MENSZER (1897-1964). 

Sadie and her husband Isaac had two sons born in Brzesko, A. Louis Sizeler (1910-1994) and Morris Sizeler (1912-1996).  They immigrated to Memphis, TN, where Samuel had immigrated earlier, and later moved to New Orleans, LA.  They had two daughters, Mildred (Millie) Sizeler LANDAU (1914-2000) and Ruth Sizeler HERZOG (1916-1994).

Esther married Isack BLONSKI and had one child, Nathan.  Isack apparently died in 1918 in Bochnia, and afterward Esther and Nathan immigrated to New Orleans.  Esther then married Joseph MENSZER and Nathan adopted his stepfather's name.  Esther and Joseph had another son, Sam.

The other Rottersman siblings were Ryfka Ruchla ROTTERSMAN (1884-1909), who married Josef Hirsh ROTTERSMAN (formerly FLEISCHER) (1875-1941);Tauba ROTTERSMAN (1893-1941); Majer (1901-1915); and Rachel (1903-1905).  Tauba married Josef Hirsh after Ryfka Ruchla's death.

After Malka Rottersman died in 1906, Isaac remarried.  He married Itel LANDWIRTH, born in 1881 in Ludwinow.  They had nine children, of which I only was aware of one, Nutke (Nathan) (1915-1996), who eventually settled in New Orleans.  The others were Chaim Baruch (1907-1944); Meilech (1909-1945); Josef (1911-1945); Henne (1913-1945); Elle Rottersman FISZ (born 1918); Arye (1921-1922); Adel (died 1945); and Olga (died 1945).  Itel died in 1939; most of her children perished in the Shoah.

We think Isaac Rottersman's father was named Szmuel, born in Wisnicz and died in Bochnia.  In my research, I have found many other branches that may have ties to the region.  The list is so numerous that I will not add it here, but you can read it with the attached file.  I suspect that most of these Rottersmans are related.  Please contact me if you are familiar with any of the names on the list.
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Sheldon Dan
sheldan1955@...


New Nasielsk Cemetery Inscription Resource - Russian and Hebrew Translation Request

Aaron Slotnik
 

Hello Genners,

I recently became aware of a "new" resource available from the Central Archives for the History of the Jewish People (CAHJP - http://cahjp.nli.org.il/webfm_send/1006 on page 37) for the town of Nasielsk to the northeast of Warsaw:

NASIELSK (pow. Pultusk, woj. warszawskie) 1910 Microfilms: Copies of
inscriptions from synagogues and tombstones [H, R], 1910. (RGIA, St.
Petersburg, Departament dukhovnykh del…)

The material was acquired by another researcher and I've been able to start to review it.  While there is a lot of material in Russian, the majority and the focus is tombstone inscriptions from the now non-existent Jewish cemetery.  The images are quite clear and the word for word handwritten inscriptions are also quite good for the most part . . . some of them are even printed.

I'm trying to understand what the context of the material is and perhaps why it was created.  I'm hopeful that information may be in the first few pages of the Russian material, perhaps an introduction and explanation.  I've attached the pages here for review.  I'm not looking for a word for word translation at this time, rather a summary of what it says.

Please reply privately if you are able to read these or for any questions.

Regards,
Aaron Slotnik
Chicago, IL  USA

KIMCHE, WOROSHILSKY - Bialystok and Grodno area, Poland
GOLDBERG, KATZ - Dabrowa Bialostocka, Poland
ZLOTNIK, RZEZNIK - Nowy Dwor Mazowiecki, Zakroczym, and Nasielsk, Poland
SCHAPIRA - Jagielnica and Horodenka, Ukraine
BLUMENTHAL, KANTOR, TREISTER, ELLENBOGEN - Borshchiv, Husiatyn and Horodenka, Ukraine
BLUM, KATZ, MARTON, LIEBERMANN, ELKOVITS, VAISZ, SAMUEL - Salaj, Satu Mare, and Maramures Counties, Romania


Re: Finding JewishJen referenced document in Lithuanian archives

Jo Ann Goldwater
 

KRA is the Kaunus Regional Historical Archives.

https://www.litvaksig.org/information-and-tools/archives-and-repositories/kaunas-regional-state-archives

I don’t think that they do research but if you give them the record number, you should be able to get it but it may take time.


Zajonc descendants from Lubartów,Lublin Gubernia,(records in Fond 1752 Lublin Archive),Located at 51°28’ 22°38’

David
 

A Jewishgen search of my paternal ancestral family name also brings me to JRI Poland and the following list of BMD at Lubartów, Lublin Gubernia,(records in Fond 1752 Lublin Archive), located at 51°28’ 22°38’ (Polish ZAJONC is pronounced ZIONTS):-
Surname Given Name Year Type Akta
ZAJONC  Sura  1869  24 
ZAJONC  Itta  1869  30 
SZTECHER  Gerszek  1870  12 
ZAJONC  Szandla Zlata  1870  12 
ZAJONC  Josef Boruch  1875 
ZAJONC  Laia  1875 
ZAJONC  Malka  1876  44 
ZAJONC  Boruch Lejb  1878  38 
ZAJONC  Chana Masza  1896 

What made me pick out this town's list is because Baruch Leib was the name of my great-great-grandfather as this appears on the gravestone of my great-grandfather Mordechai (Marks) ZIANTS. My paternal grandfather, Moshe (Morris) was born in Narewka, and always identified himself as a Bialystoker, but I have been told by other family members that his mother's family were from Bielsk. I see from the map, that Lubartow is also in this general region. My grandfather just had sisters and from the descendants of Mordechai at least, I am now the oldest living person carrying the ZIANTS name within this small immediate family.

The name on the list, though, cannot be my great-great-grandfather because Mordechai, his son, was born in the 1860s (exact date not certain due to discrepancies of age in different documents, etc.), and the name on the list was born in a substantially later generation. I am very curious to find hints that these, or some of these might be cousins. 

Although I am not in a position to be able to do DNA testing (these are not available in Israel where I live and in any case at this time I cannot afford the expense), I would be very  happy to try and reach out to anyone who feels that they might be descended from the people on that list, or anyone else of Jewish descent that carries my family name.

Is any one able to tell me the root of the first names of the marrying couple Gerszek and Szandla Zlata? I initially thought that maybe Gerszek was Gershon, but the different family name seems to indicate that this is the female. I would not be surprised if many of the others on the list are their children, but this is probably something we will never know due to the incomplete records.

One of the issues that held me back in examining myself as a ZIANTS in my earlier family research was because of a buber-maaser ("grandma's tale") in the most literal sense, and this can be seen in some of the postings I made on this forum from two or three decades ago. My grandmother told me, concerning my grandfather's father, that his family name was originally ZENETSKY and was changed to ZIANTS. It turned out that his mother's family name was ZENETSKY and was changed to ZIANTS when she married Mordechai - as many wives change their name when marrying :-) . Moreover there really was a paternal family name change in that generation, from ZENETSKY to SCHLOSBERG of my great-grandmother's brothers (they did this in Hamburg on route to England and America) - which I do not remember my grandparents telling me and I only found out, after they had left this world, from a third cousin.

David Ziants
Ma'aleh Adumim, Israel
Searching: ZIANTS, ZENETSKY (SCHLOSBERG), ISMACH (ISHMA, DAVIDSON, OSMAN), FRIEDMAN, ALPERT (from Narewka, Bialystok, Bielsk, Lomza, Lodz, Warsaw); GEWELBA (GABLE,GALE, RAVEL), SINGER (Warsaw); REINA (UK and Netherlands), MICHAELS (UK and W. Europe), VIEYRA, JUDA-RODRIGUEZ (PASCAL) and all W. Sephardi families (primarily UK and Netherlands).


    


Re: Jewish refugees in Tashkent during WWII - Moroz

Dave Lichtenstein
 

Hello Everyone - this is an extremely interesting and personal story for me.  As I understand that my late mother then Felicia Heringman ended up there in transit during WWII.  Sadly she went to her grave in 2004 with many secrets - but what I can ascertain is that when Poland was invaded by the Nazis she escaped eastwards only to fall into Soviet hands.  (The Russian invasion of Poland as a result of the Ribbentrop-Stalin pact).  After being arrested she ended up in Siberia and the Stan States including Uzbekistan and then Persia (now Iran).  If there is any information on her during those harrowing years I would appreciate even only her registration in Tashkent, Uzbekistan.  However, I understand, as a matter of survival she changed her persona, age including religion so once again tracing records may prove difficult but I would be happy for some one to prove me wrong.

With best wishes
Dave Lichtenstein
Sydney, Australia

Searching on my mother's side HERING, HERINGMAN, STEIN and the towns of Brzesc-Kujawski, Wloclawek, Pinczow, Kielce, and Warsaw in Poland.


Rocher...Rocker... just not sure

Sarah Rochel Hewitt
 

Hello, I am trying to trace my great-grandmothers' family.  Nope the apostrophe is not wrong. Turns out my great grandmothers were sisters: Rose (Rochel) and Sara Rocher.... Anyway, I believe they were either in Jaslo or Sanok. I think Rose was older than Sara because the family story says that Sarah's husband, Elias, came to America to live with her while he got enough money to bring Sarah and their kids over. (My great aunt Feige, my grandma Golde, and maybe a brother named Hirshel who died before they came). I have the ship manifest for Sarah and the girls coming from Sanok. 

I have tried many ways to find them but I cannot seem to locate any Rochers (which I was told was spelled like this but pronounced Rocker).

Any advice would be appreciated


RootsTech 2020 Livestream of Selected Sessions

Jan Meisels Allen
 

 


For those who are unable to attend this year’s RootsTech in Salt Lake City, Utah,  February 26-29, 2020 you can watch selected sessions from the comfort of your home for free.  The times given are in Mountain Standard time. To convert to your local time please use the TheTimeZone Converter at: https://www.thetimezoneconverter.com/

 

To see the livestream schedule go to: https://www.rootstech.org/salt-lake/live-stream-schedule

Speakers include Crista Cowan from Ancestry, Using DNA with Angie Bush, Julie Stoddard on finding elusive female relatives, Blaine Bettinger on DNA, Genealogy and Law Enforcement, The Legal Genealogist Judy Russell on Year of the Copyright and more.

 

Sessions will be available to view on demand after the livestream ends.

 

If you are interested in additional sessions not on the livestream free offer, you can purchase a virtual ticket. Information on that is also on the live-stream schedule url above.  These additional classes are not livestreamed Sessions will be available to view on demand after the livestream ends.

 

I have no affiliation with RootsTech or FamilySearch and am posting this solely for the information of the reader.

 

Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

 


Reichsvereinigung der Juden in Deutschland

Lande
 

I have finally completed the database identifying 31,142 names which appear in the Reichsvereinigung der Juden in Deutschland card collection.  This database is available on Steve Morse’s website, under Holocaust  material Jewish Roof organization, and will be included in Jewishgen’s holocaust database.
 
The database may be searched by family or maiden name, place of birth or death and country of emigration, e.g. 548 who managed to reach Palestine and 262 who emigrated to Argentina.  Where they were murdered in the euthanasia program this is noted.
 
While all registrants resided in Germany at some time between 1933 and 1942, they were born all over the world, e.g. 3 in San Francisco, 10 in Moscow, 271 in Posen and 9.075 in Berlin.
 
While I will be glad to try to answer any individual questions that may arise, please first look at the cards themselves, which may be accessed on the Bad Arolsen International Tracing Service website, since the cards often contain additional information such as street address, profession or even school records.
 
Peter Lande
Washington, D.C.


March 15: children's genealogy program at the Center for Jewish History in New York

Moriah Amit
 

Join us for an exciting morning of activities that will inform, inspire, and motivate you to learn more about the history of your family and community.


KIDS IN THE ‘HOOD: Discover the History of Your Community (For Children 7-12 and Their Families)

Sunday, March 15, 10 AM – 12:30 PM

Center for Jewish History, 15 West 16th St., New York, NY 10011

Tickets$10/family; $8/family for Center for Jewish History & Partner members (max. of 4 children/family)

* Every family that attends this program will be entered into a raffle, with prizes including a one-year subscription to Ancestry.com and an Ancestry DNA kit. Raffle winners must be present at the 12:30 PM drawing to claim their prize.

Moriah Amit
Senior Genealogy Librarian (Center for Jewish History)

 

 


Re: Did you know...the term Health Care Provider came from Nazi Germany?

jbonline1111@...
 

As a medical social worker in the 1970s, I always understood the term "provider" to be a catchall that included doctors, nurses, physician assistants, social workers, mental health counselors, physical therapists and others, mostly used by insurance, Medicare and Medicaid.  

Frankly, even if it were true that the term originated in nazi Germany, I think that would be no more than an interesting bit of trivia.  It's how we use the word now that matters. 
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Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC


Re: Jewish refugees in Tashkent during WWII - Moroz

Beth Galleto
 

An interesting book about this topic is "To the Tashkent Station, Evacuation and Survival in the Soviet Union at War" by Rebecca Manley. The book, published in 2009, is described as "the first in-depth study of this crucial but neglected episode in the history of twentieth-century population displacement, World War II, and the Soviet Union."
I have no affiliation with this author or book and am simply suggesting it as an important resource for those whose relatives lived through the evacuation experience, as did some of mine.


Re: Did you know...the term Health Care Provider came from Nazi Germany?

boris
 

This thread is one of the most interesting and stimulating in a long time. And, in my view, it is directly related to genealogy. I happen to be more interested in learning about our ancestors’ lives and times than in, e.g. exact spelling of the ggggfather’s name. In that regard, the occupations such as synagogue sexton, or a grave digger, that we see so often in the records from Russian Poland, are far more descriptive than a “daily laborer” which leaves us dissatisfied and wanting to know more.

 

Words have meaning. “Doctor” is still synonymous with “healer”, evoking great respect for the profession. Imagine an unknown descendent 200 years from now learning that his ancestor was a “health care provider”.  Will he jump up and down from joy, or will he curse his early 21st century ancestors who replaced normal language with meaningless bureaucratic constructs?

 

The next time you walk in a “show room” looking for a “certified pre-own” “gas-guzzler” and a “consultant” greets you with “Welcome Guest”...

... please finish the sentence...


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2  ZOLDAN brothers, Chicago or Pennsylvania

David Zoldan
 

I have a ZOLDAN relative who was born in Kispatak (Richka) in 1906.  In the 1920’s as an orphan he traveled to and settled in Chile.

In 1999 he penned a letter to all the ZOLDANs he could find in Chicago who may be his relatives and this is how I learned of him.  But I learned of him after he passed away.

In the letter he wrote that his uncle Hersh ZOLDAN had 2 sons who had immigrated to Chicago early 1900s and he was hoping to reconnect with any of his descendants.

In my research with various parts of the family we have determined that there were indeed two sons of Hersh ZOLDAN who did immigrate to Pennsylvania in 1904.  One to McKeesport and the other to S. Sharon (later known as Farrell).

We have found no evidence of two sons who went to Chicago and no one in the family knows of any relatives who went to Chicago.  There are no stories, nothing.

Of course, it is possible there were 2 brothers who went to Chicago even if no one knows of it.

However, I would like to work with the assumption that there were two brothers who went to Pennsylvania and not to Chicago.

Of course, there could be an error in the tradition which the letter writer had and so he incorrectly thought his cousins went to Chicago and not Pennsylvania.  He was after all a young teenager when he knew this information.

But I would like to explore a different idea which someone suggested to me.  Perhaps the letter writer was told that his two cousins went to Chicago even though in truth the cousins went to Pennsylvania.  Perhaps everyone in the family spoke of Chicago and not Pennsylvania.  This could be so because Chicago was a major city with a large Jewish population and perhaps the name “Chicago” was used generically to refer to a major US city with a large Jewish population.  This would be similar to the residents of a suburb of a major city telling people they come from the major city and not mentioning the small suburb.

So, has anyone come across a situation where large cities with large Jewish populations were used as a substitute for smaller lesser known cities.

In other words, is it possible that since Chicago was a large Jewish center in far off America, perhaps this boy, the eventual letter writer was told that he had two cousins in Chicago, a generic term for a city in the U.S.

I would be happy to hear any suggestions in this regard.

Thank you,

David Zoldan

Researcher 382214

Researching in the Carpathians: ZOLDAN, WEISSBERGER, SCHLEIFER, SHLEZINGER, ZVERLING, STEINBERG, MEYER, many others,…


Finding JewishJen referenced document in Lithuanian archives

BSR352
 

Good evening.
I recently requested from the Lithuania State Archives for copies of
records referenced on JewishGen and was told that they did not have
the years listed. Did I ask the wrong Archive? Where do I find the
original "Family List KRA/I-207/1/1"?
I am looking for anything about my great grandfather Itsik Ber
Fleksher and his wife Mascha (until 1913 when they moved to the US),
and his father Leyba Fleksher (or his unnamed wife).

Sincerely,
Bryan Richman


Re: Kanth near Breslau, Silesia ( now called Katy Wroclawskie)

Gerald and Margaret
 

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 09:00 AM, Rodney Eisfelder wrote:
us.
 Didn't know of that website.  Don't know why my PGPs weren't listed AS THEY were there until ghettoised and then deported in 1942.  

After posting, I did find some Jungmanns on the improved Yad Va'shem website.  But of course they were murdered.  
When I have some enforced rest, from tomorrow onwards ie surgery,, i'll look further at the names you found.  Longer term aim is to install STOLPERSTEINE.  
Thanks so much, 
Margaret


Re: Did you know...the term Health Care Provider came from Nazi Germany?

joannegrosman joannegrosman
 

Hello,
I have followed with interest the thread to do with the word 'Behandler' and the allusion to Nazi provenance. I work within the healthcare system in Canada where so far insurance companies don't hold too much sway and must say that this term is widely used as one of writers stated for brevity reasons alone as much healthcare is delivered in a team context. It seems the explanation for 'Behandler' having Nazi origins adds weight to any argument decrying the quality of care in the healthcare system.

regards,
Joanne Grosman
researching Grosman, Bocian, Kremsdorf/Czestochowa/Radmonsko