A Brick Wall


Help!  My g-mother Bertha was married in 1917 under the name Grutman.  Her parents are listed as Harry and Pauline Needleman.  Her birth was in Romania/Russia, and I've seen ages from 27 to 16 years at marriage.  I cannot find any confirmation of the family even arriving in the US, but came with the Americanized name of Groveman according to family lore.
Bertha married Max Langer and lived in the Bronx.  I am stopped in my tracks.  Does anyone have suggestions or directions for me?

 Langer,Grutman, Weener, Cole (Sokolsky)

Re: Domestic Service Visas: 1938 . . .

Michael Hoffman

Hello Leah,

Make an enquiry with World Jewish Relief, the following is their website address 
They have the records for 57000 refugees that came to the UK from Germany and Austria
before and after WWII., they may be able to help you.

There is also a record for Berta Heilpern on a passenger list in 1948 for a passage to New York on the website of

Best regards

Michael Hoffman

Re: Domestic Service Visas: 1938 . . .

Irv Adler


My mother came to England on a domestic permit in Sept 1938. I have been doing research on this topic and have been trying to to see what one of these permits looks like for more than 5 years now with no success. So, if you find one please let me know.
There has been quite of bit of research done on Austrian women who fled Vienna and came to England as domestics. A leading researcher in this field in Tony Kutschner. The Association of Jewish Refugees in London is a good source of information on the women who came to the UK as domestics. A complete book on the subject has been written by Traude Bollauf. 
Let me know if you would like to discuss this in further detail.


Re: Divorce


I  would suggest a U.S state search.  I searched for a New York City cousin's divorce and found she got her divorce in Alabama, where we had family.  The South has easier divorces.

Marge Hurl
Neotsu,  Oregon

ViewMate translation request - Polish and Yiddish

David Brostoff

I have posted images on ViewMate of a marriage registration from the Bialystok State Archive for Moshe HOFFMAN and Taube BROSTOFF, residents of Trostyany (Trzcianne).

There is a both a Polish and Yiddish version:



I would be grateful for a translation of both texts.

Please respond via the ViewMate form.

Thank you,


Domestic Service Visas: 1938 . . .


First, I would like to thank those who responded to my earlier quest for some sort of confirmation of my father's cousin's wife's death details.  Rosa Lichtenfeld Heilpern, it appears, was an unfortunate member of the 1939 Kladovo Transport group that in 1939, fled Vienna, Austria via the Danube, for Palestine, but were detained (for many reasons) in Yugoslavia, & ultimately killed by the Nazis.  I had information on where & generally when, but I didn't have the details about the how, leading up to her death, the missing details to better "prove" the theories I had after researching. The collective knowledge of this group is amazing, and I am most grateful to those who helped me out.  As mentioned before, Rosa's husband, Hans Heilpern, made if safely to Palestine in 1938, on board the illegal transport boat, Chepo.

And now for another brick wall with this family, Berta Heilpern, sister to Hans.  I found her listed as "paid domestic help" on the 1939 England & Wales Register.  In further research I read about a reference to "Domestic Service Visas," which were issued to Jewish refugees from both Germany & Austria. I was not aware of these.  I would have to think Berta somehow obtained one of these visas, but can find nothing of such a list, anywhere.  I would like to try and find out the following: 1) when she left Vienna for London ( I heard 1938, after May, when her last grandparent, whom she had been caring for, died.)  2) how she got to London & what route  and now, 3) to see this Domestic Service Visa and any details it might provide me.  If anyone has any knowledge of the visas, and where/how I might be able to search them, I would greatly appreciate it.  Thank you in advance.


Leah Heilpern Snider
Silverdale, WA USA

Families:  HEILPERN --- Ukraine & Austria
KORPUS --- Poland, Ukraine, Austria
MANDELKIERN --- Lublin & Chelm, Poland
STROH & PINELES --- Ukraine
GOLDENTHAL --- Ukraine, Austria, Germany

Re: question on burial record


Max! You are amazing. I've looked for clues to this place or occupation and you solved it in minutes. From looking at maps of Belarus I can see how close Pader is to Slutsk and it makes so much sense. I'm going to go with this theory. Thank you so much! 

Molly Ford  
Salt Lake City, Utah, USA

-----Original Message-----
To: main@...: Thu, Mar 5, 2020 12:49 am
Subject: Re: [] question on burial record

Hi Molly,

My guess is that the name Paderier or Paderiver comes from the village Pader near Slutzk in Belarus. The ending -er is yiddish. The slavic ending -ski gave the names Paderski and Paderevski. Look A. Beider, A Dictionary of Jewish Surnames from the Russian Empire, Avotaynu, 2008. The passenger manifest for the Mishelov family in 1919 shows that they came from Uzda, which is between Slutzk and Minsk. It fits with an earlier origin from Pader. 

Hope this helps,

Max Polonovski
CGJ, Paris

Re: Argentina naturalization records? STAHL

Pieter Hoekstra

Many thanks Alberto Guido Chester for your assistance. We may not have located a grave (yet), however I have learned alot about European immigration in Argentina.

Re: JGS of Georgia meeting - March 22, 2020 - Jewish Soldiers in the Civil War #usa

Pieter Hoekstra

I wonder if they identified with one side or another or spread equally between the sides?

Translation of Hebrew or Yiddish photo inscription

Roy Ogus

This ViewMate image shows the back of a postcard of a man in a military uniform. I'm not sure if the text is in Yiddish or Hebrew.  I would appreciate a translation.

The Viewmate image can be found at: 

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application (or to me personally by e-mail).

Thanks for your input!

Roy Ogus
Palo Alto, California

#holocaust #holocaust

Linda Kelley

Does anyone know if there are travel records of the 400 surviving forced labor workers from the Pfaff sewing machine factory in Kaiserslautern, Germany? I contacted the Jewish Museum, Yad Vashem and the American Jewish Committee, but they had nothing.
Vania Caretti in Italy has proof her relatives worked at the factory, but is seeking further records:
Maria Leszko, wife of Nicolas Lischt, possibly of Kiev or Drohobych, may have died at Kaiserslautern.
Their daughter, Olga Lischt, b. 1924, married Eugenio Francini, an Italian soldier who worked at the factory, and both went to live in Italy. [Vania has taken a DNA test at My Heritage and her kit is in GEDmatch. She has no close matches in GEDmatch as yet.] Thank you very much! Linda Wolfe Kelley, Portland, OR, USA

Death Certificate for Detroit for Julius Kozloff

barbara Schoenburg

Can anyone help? I need a copy of the death certificate for Julius Kozloff (my Grandfather) who died 12/4/1949. Cannot get it as there is a 75 year wait. Thank you.

Re: Vital Records in Detroit, Michigan

Linda Kelley

Handwriting is hard to read. Cause if death was cirrhosis of the liver, along with myocardial disease.
Thanks to Michigan for posting death certificates online!
Linda Wolfe Kelley
Portland, OR, USA

Re: Divorce

Sarah L Meyer

You mentioned Reno, but not Las Vegas.  Have you checked Clark county Nevada?  What about Mexico?

Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania

This week's Yizkor book excerpt on the JewishGen Facebook page

Bruce Drake

“Verdict Without Appeal” is an entry from the diary of Dr. P. Czerniak in the Yizkor book of Antopol (Belarus). It is a chapter that drips with bitterness, born of the author’s indignation about the fate awaiting himself and other Jews, but also the very in-your-face insult of living life as someone deemed inferior to a “pure-blooded” former classmate who had risen in the world despite his incompetency.

Dr. Smirnov had been a bad student in high school but went on to become director of health services for the region after attending a university where the Czerniak had been refused. “When the Germans arrived, he became important - a man with Slavic Aryan blood in his veins and a diploma in his pocket. It did not matter much what he had, or did not have, in his brain.” Czerniak lived in the ghetto, but “whenever something happened in the hospital, which Dr. Smirnov did not know how to handle, he would come running out of breath to ask my help.”

Czerniak, who had been left alive because there were no Christian doctors in Antopol, writes: “Why is this absolute nonentity now a free physician in control, even though it is clear that the distance between him and the Jew-dog is the distance of long years of evolution of the human species on earth? Why, after all, is he sure of his life and is entitled to it, while I am sure of death and am not entitled to live?”

As the two of them walked together one day, Smirnov answered the question.


Bruce Drake

Silver Spring MD


Towns: Wojnilow, Kovel

NJ State Archives - is anyone going?

A. E. Jordan

A member of the list was extremely kind and helpful to me retrieving a few documents and doing research for me and as a result I need one more death certificate from the NJ State Archives if anyone is going there.

I have the name and date and even the location of the death -- I see it on the index -- so I just need someone to print out the death certificate for me.

It is a common name so when I tried searching I could not pin it down and the same for the husband.  I tried calling the local cemeteries, the cemeteries where her children are buried, I tried calling the likely funeral home and searched the local newspaper.  I repeated the same for the husband but in both cases I had common names and only a fairly broad range for the dates of the death. 

One of our participants was kind enough to go year by year through the 1940s looking for the death certificate and sure enough he found the husband.  Problem was Isidor was listed as Izzie and the burial instead of being local in New Jersey is 100 miles away in New York in my own local area.  I checked the cemetery records and sure enough the missing woman is next to her husband and backtracked I found an obit in The New York Times but not her local newspapers.

Just goes the show the value of following every avenue.

Now to complete the paper trail I would like to have a copy of her death certificate if anyone is going to be at the NJ State Archives.

Thank you

Allan Jordan

Re: New Digest format does not cite the original post

Rodney Eisfelder

Under the message is a line of links. Click on "View/Reply Online". On the web page that is displayed, click on the button that says "View all x messages in Topic".
It is pretty clunky, but the old system had a similar problem, except that most people quoted enough of the original for the reply to stand on its own.

Rodney Eisfelder
Melbourne, Australia

Re: New Digest format does not cite the original post

Joan Parker <parker5850@...>

Hello Albert,

I had the same problem until being curious one day I clicked on View/Reply Online (#640466) to see what it was and that's where you'll find all the emails pertaining to which ever one you are currently reading at that time.

These are at the very end of the email:

All the best,
Joan Parker
Past President/Archivist
JGS of Greater Miami, Inc.
1) GOLDBERG, GOULD, GOODSTEIN/GUDSTEIN, BERGER, JAGODA-Lipno and Plock,Poland-Russia; Warsaw, Poland-Russia; Galveston, TX; Bronx and Brooklyn, NY.
2) PARKER, PINKUS/PINCUS, WINOGRAD, (GERSHO-BEROVNA?)., R0SEN, -Brest (Litovsk), Belarus; Grodno, Russia; Bronx and Brooklyn, NY. WEISS, NEIKRUG, DEL PINO--Brooklyn, NY.  RABWIN--Hollywood, CA, Salt Lake City, UT. CLAYTON-California.
3) GELFAND, KRITZOFF, KATZ, TROCK --Berezin/Bresin, Kodima, Minsk, Belarus, Bronx, NY, Miami and Miami Beach, FL.

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 10:27 PM Alberto Guido Chester <> wrote:
I apologize for coming back to the new format issue.

Most answers in the new format do not cite the original post, making it difficult to remember what question is being answered.

Can someone illuminate me if there is any solution for this ?

Thanks in advance

Alberto Guido Chester
Buenos Aires, Argentina

New Digest format does not cite the original post

Alberto Guido Chester

I apologize for coming back to the new format issue.

Most answers in the new format do not cite the original post, making it difficult to remember what question is being answered.

Can someone illuminate me if there is any solution for this ?

Thanks in advance

Alberto Guido Chester
Buenos Aires, Argentina

ViewMate Translation Requests #ukraine


Subj: ViewMate translation request - Russian / Hebrew

I've posted several vital records in Russian / Hebrew for which I would greatly appreciate a complete 
translation. They are located on ViewMate at the following addresses:

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page. Thank you very much.
Paul Moverman
Milford, NH, USA

21741 - 21760 of 662156