somewhat lost



I've subscribed here for about a year and really only lurk. I have no
skills as a genealogist. I really only know a few things about my
family which I'll put here. I would love some suggestions about how to
verify or correct these (mis?)perceptions about my origins.

1) my maternal grandfather Samuel Muhlbauer came over from the
austro-hungarian empire on a boat to NY around 1910 as a boy of 15
with his father, settling in Brooklyn.
2) my mother always told me that her father was:
2.1) hungarian (though my mother grew up speaking English and yiddish
- knew no Hungarian).
2.2) was a member of the 'kussover' (kossover?) society in brooklyn
2.3) was a member of the masonic temple
3) he married my maternal grandmother Fannie Geller who had been born
in Brooklyn Fannie had a younger brother named Jerry Geller.
4) my maternal grandfather's mother's (my maternal great grandmother)
first name was Molly/Mollie and her maiden name was 'Pearl' or 'Perl'.
5) supposedly, in the old country, the Perls owned an Inn. I don't
know anything about what the Muhlbauer's did.
5) I don't know for sure but I'm guessing that kossover society has
something to do with Kassa/Kosice?
6) I do know that while my mother Arlene Muhlbauer and her sister
Shirley Muhlbauer were growing up in Brooklyn (Williamsburg?) my
grandfather and grandmother (Fannie Muhlbauer née Geller) owned a
fabric store.

So.. I really have no idea(s) where to begin.. Any
advice/recommendations welcome. Happy Purim everyone!


Re: City of Rotterdam Archives Posts Passenger Lists of Holland America Line 1900-1920 #Netherlands #Passenger Lists

Joan A. Baronberg

Can you tell me which link you used to access this list? When I went to the one listed at Jewishgen, it said this was an insecure web address and not recommended to use.

J. Baronberg, Denver, CO
Suchostav, Ukraine

Re: The Colorado Jewish Genealogy Society presents an all-day genealogy seminar featuring Stephen P. Morse

Ellen Shindelman Kowitt

No remote access to my knowledge. Wanted to let you know Ed Richard z'l passed away last summer. 
Ellen Kowitt
Erie, CO

America's women's right to vote.. Registration docs

Gayle Schlissel Riley

I guess I do not express what I am looking for clearly. Years ago I found my grandfather's papers ..saying He will vote democratic. I would like to find my grandmother registration to vote. Those paper's would be in Cal. of in Mich.
My grandmother was such a force and would have register soon as she got the right to vote. I hate this dyslexia..Thanks Gayle

Happy Purim

Avraham Groll

Dear JewishGen Community,

As we celebrate Purim, and the salvation of the Jewish people in the face of overwhelming odds, I wish to thank you for your involvement with JewishGen.

People don’t always realize just how vital our services really are, particularly to those whose families were decimated by the Holocaust, and who feel that their family trees are simply desolate. 

It is because of your support that:

  • JewishGen has provided solace to Holocaust Survivors
  • siblings have been reunited
  • cousins have been discovered
  • thousands of people have reconnected with their Jewish history and heritage.

It is because of your support that so many people have celebrated their own personal Purim stories within the context of Jewish genealogy. Who can define the impact when one discovers that h/she is not alone in this world?

This Purim holiday, I hope you will recognize and appreciate the vital role you play in connecting so many people around the world - it is something we are all truly grateful for.

Wishing you and your family a Happy Purim.
Avraham Groll and the entire JewishGen Team

Need your help - short Russian + Polish translation on ViewMate

N. Summers

I have a post card on which the address is in Polish, I think, but the note is in Russian. I would love to have both parts translated. It is here:
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

thanks so much
Nancy S
Maryland, USA

Need your help-- 2 brief Polish translations in ViewMate #poland #ukraine #belarus

N. Summers

 I have one old photo with some odd handwritten notes on the back. They are written in different directions and in different inks. Anything you can decipher would be much appreciated!

The other photo has a printed label on the back, which I assume is from the photo studio where the portrait was taken. That one should be much easier to read.

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

many thanks,
Maryland, USA

PS: when I cut and pasted the above information into this note (which I did online), there was a shaded background around the pasted text. If this makes my message hard to read, please let me know and I will  re-post

FINKELSTEIN, SUKENIK, SUKOENIG, LUSMAN, - Radziwillow, Belarus (now Ukraine) and Ostrog, Poland
LISS, LYSS, ALPER - Motol, Belarus and Vilieyka, Belarus
LIFSCHITZ, LEAF - Rechitsa, Belarus

Re: women's right to vote


D H AARON was not the first ever Jewish actuary in the history of UK Insurance. What about Marcus Nathan ADLER who was actuary of the Alliance Assurance Company from 1867? Or Benjamin GOMPERTZ who was actuary to the same company when it was founded in 1824? Or Hershell FILIPOWSKI who worked as an actuary in Edinburgh in the 1850s?

Michael Tobias
Glasgow, Scotland

Re: The Colorado Jewish Genealogy Society presents an all-day genealogy seminar featuring Stephen P. Morse

Alan Loew

Was early member and left many years ago
now live in Florida
Any way to get access to presentation as thoroughly enjoyed Morse prsentation at an annual international jew gen meeting many years ago.
Am old friend of Ed Richards.
Hope he is still a member
Regards to all
Alan Loew
Lakewood Ranch, Fl

Death record from Mandatory Palestine

Alan Shuchat

Can anyone suggest how I might find a death record for someone who died in Mandatory Palestine in 1942. A relative of mine was born in the Russian Empire, came to the U.S., and made aliyah in 1923. There is a matseva (gravestone) on the Mount of Olives with his name, Naftali David Shukhat (נפתלי דוד שוחט). The cemetery information on the web says the date of death was Jan. 11, 1942 and names the Hasidim chevra kadisha and the North America section. I don't have any information about his life in Palestine and would be grateful for any assistance.

Alan Shuchat
Newton, MA

SHUKHAT (Talnoe, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka), Pogrebishche)
VINOKUR (Talnoe), KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
ZILBERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets), BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolskiy)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)

Holocaust Survivor Lists


In connection with the World Memory Project, the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum has added 2,867 new name records to the Holocaust Survivors and Victims Database (HSV) taken from the collection UNRRA Selected Records AG-018-028:  Switzerland Mission, and 207 names from UNRRA Selected Records AG-018-027: Swedish Mission.  These collections contain names of refugees in Sweden and Switzerland who wanted repatriation, resettlement or information about family members.  Both collections have a significant number of names of unaccompanied children.  You can request and immediately receive digital copies of the original documents in your email.  Search Switzerland, and Sweden htttps://
Peter Lande
Washington, D.C.

Re: (US-PA) National Museum of American History Files for Bankruptcy

N. Summers

It is the National Museum of American Jewish History in Philadelphia which has filed for bankruptcy protection.  Not the Smithsonian Museum of American History in Washington, DC,

Re: Rechovot IGRA (Israel Genealogy Research Organization) Meeting


The IGRA meeting in Rechovot, that was scheduled for March 15 has been canceled, because of CORONA

Re: City of Rotterdam Archives Posts Passenger Lists of Holland America Line 1900-1920 #Netherlands #Passenger Lists

Abuwasta Abuwasta

Thank you. I was able to find my wife's second cousin Mendel APOTHEKER who took the boat in 1920. 

Jacob Rosen

Re: New article - Deciphering Jewish Gravestones



As someone who has been helping read gravestones on ViewMate, I am blown away by the details and the amount of information that you have included.  I learned one or two new things myself, and plan to save the PDF for future use.  (Had I known about your wonderful work, I could have saved myself some time and frustration with some of the rarer abbreviations, most of which I worked out in the end, but not without some sweat and tears.)

There is one aspect of reading the year of death which might be helpful to include, when you have a chance.  (Perhaps it is there, but I missed it?).  Hebrew years are often -- as least on older stones -- followed by a 3-letter abbreviation, lamed-fay-kuf, which stands for the words "lifrat katan", according to the small details.  You explain very well that the leading '5' is usually omitted (in rare cases represented by a leading "Hey").  The words "lifrat katan" are saying the same thing:  this is the "small count", with the big number missing but understood.  By the way, those three letters are sometimes combined into a one-character glyph;  I'll be glad to send you an image, if you wish.  I hope that you do not mind my mentioning this.  Your work is so complete, and this abbreviation/image threw me when I first encountered it, and I've been asked about it by others.

Thank you again for providing this excellent document.

Fredel Fruhman

Fredel Fruhman
Brooklyn, New York, USA

Viewmate translation request--Polish and possibly German

Joseph Walder

TO THE MODERATOR: My message yesterday about this failed to provide hyperlinks to the Viewmate items, so I would be grateful if you would post the following message.


I've posted two Galician vital records for which I need translations. One is definitely in Polish and may be found at the following address:

The second record is written in either Polish or German--the quality is poor and I frankly cannot be sure. It may be found at the following address:

Please respond via the forms provided on the pertinent ViewMate image pages

Thank you very much.

Joseph Walder, Portland, Oregon, USA

Re: Death Certificate for Detroit for Julius Kozloff

barbara Schoenburg

Thanks to all the wonderful JewishGenners who responded to my question. It is much appreciated.

Re: women's right to vote

משה פלבר

Hi All

I don’t know whether the following is part of your subject


However, seeing the a/m headline I'm reminded that my London born maternal grandmother was a suffragette, one of those who also tied themselves to the rails of the Buckingham Palace fence – protesting for the right of women to vote for the Parliament:   


Nora Greta Diana LEVY (1875-1950),    who married D.H.AARON (1873-1954)  [the 1st Jewish actuary ever in history of  Britain's insurance industry]


Moshe Felber


The Colorado Jewish Genealogy Society presents an all-day genealogy seminar featuring Stephen P. Morse

Ellen Beller

Featuring Stepehn P. Morse
Sunday March 29th 2020  9:30 am to 3:30 pm
At BMH-BJ Synagogue 560 S Monaco Parkway Denver

Seminar topics will be:
One-Step Webpages: A Potpourri of Genealogical Search Tools
Case Study: Genealogy of Renee Kaufman
The History of the Geography of New York City
Getting Ready for the 1950 Census: Searching with and without a Name Index

Members Free  Non Members $10
Food extrafor members and nonmembers  and can be ordered on
Registration required

Re: MANDEL's #belarus

Anna Rozina

Dear Shirley. Thank you for your response.

It is interesting to read about the fate of people named Mandel. After reading what you write, I try to meet the name Simon (Simcha) Mandel, (this is the father of my great-grandmother) because this is the only clue for me, in finding the branch of mandels that I am looking for. So far, I'm at the beginning of this path. It's not the first time I read that people named Mandel who lived in the late 19th and early 20th century moved to America, Canada, and Australia. So our family history says that all my great-grandmother's relatives left for these countries before her wedding. That's all, nothing else. There is hope for genetic analysis, which will help me in this issue. After reading the history of the city of Mir, I did not see any mention of it as Demir......Thank you again for your response.

 Anna (Sankt-Peterburg)

Понедельник, 9 марта 2020, 16:54 +03:00 от shirley@...:
Dear Anna [from Russia] and Susan & Neville [Vatican], and extended JewishGen family,

Here is a bit about my Mandel side:  Israel Mandel, born 1875, son of Aaron Mandel and Ruth Smokler [Rochel Shmukler], all of Mir, Minsk Gubernia.

My great aunt Hannah [Chashke] married Israel Mandel in 1898 in MIR, which is near NOVOGRUDOK.  Her maiden name was DeMatoff [Dalmatovsky ?].  They came to Chicago in 1904 ? with two children.  Subsequently she had several more children with Israel, who was a bakery truck driver.

Israel's obituary [1942, Chicago] mentioned 5 siblings, presumably also born in or near Mir [also called Demir, I think].  These were Esther, Fannie, Celia, Benjamin, Elsie.  Some of them lived in Chicago, others in New York.

While we are at it, Hannah's mother was Sarah [Tchirke] Epstein, possibly also from Mir.

Any connections? 
Can anyone clarify why Mir is also called Demir?  Is one an earlier name for the town?  Or a Yiddish inflected version of the Russian name?


С уважением,
Анна Розина

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