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Re: Fancy Jewish Wedding in NYC circa 1932 #usa

iwagner@...
 

I just searched The NY Times web site for “weddings,” limiting the search to the 1930s. The results had links to scanned imagines archived at timesmachine/nytimes.com. Some of the venues mentioned were Savoy-Plaza, Biltmore, Colony Club. Bermuda seemed to be a popular honeymoon destination. Reading about the social events was fascinating...certainly a different cultural time and place.


Szmul vs Szlama #names

Sandrine S
 

Dear Jewishgeners, 

I wonder if it is common for a same individual to be named Szlama in his birth record and then Szmul in all other records (marriage + death record). Knowing that in each document the birth date is approximative I cannot be 100% sure it is the same person... Any clue about given name-swapping ?

Regards, 
Sandrine Salson
France


I'd like to know their dates of birth and death and where in what is now Germany they were born #germany

Robert Heuman
 

My Great-Great-Grandparents

Levi Elsoffer ? ?
Bertha Bickhardt ? ?

had a daughter, one of my Great-Grandparents:
Rosalea Elsoffer
1831-1907
born at Schwarzenau, Siegen-Wittgenstein, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany

I am unable to find their dates of birth and/or death or where they were
born or died, although I suspect death was in or around Schwarzenau.

If you have clues or information about these individuals, please email
me offline at torontorsh at gmail.com
TorontoRSH
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Re: Hashtag

Dahn Cukier
 

Thank you for the link, I am adding it here too.

https://blog.hootsuite.com/how-to-use-hashtags/

The article is about various social networks, but not mailing lists..

I am still confused by 2 subjects floating around, but connected.

1) If hastag, do I hashtag both John and Doe, or do I need to write
both John Doe and #Johndoe? Some search engines will not find
JohnDoe as John Doe, others will not find JohnDoe
if it is written #JohnDoe - depending on the setups.

2) Which country do I use in Subject. What if I do not know which country a location was
a part of. Yugoslavia or Serbia?
To use today's geography, I will use my own location. Am I living
in Israel, Palestine, West Bank (or WestBank), or Jordan? Do I need to know
which year Jordan gave up the annexed West Bank and the same area
became either Yehuda or maybe Samaria? Do people know where the
border between Yehuda and Samaria is located?

The signature is from an episode of Gunsmoke that I found relevant
to genealogy where I have found mistakes not only in indexing, but
various dates and name spellings on original official documents.

Dahn Cukier
Brieff, Brif, Cukier, Zucker, Sukar (and other names for sugar),
Lisobetzki, Lesabici, Sklavir, Schlwir, etc.

When you start to read readin,
how do you know the fellow that
wrote the readin,
wrote the readin right?

Festus Hagen
Long Branch Saloon
Dodge City, Kansas
(Gunsmoke)


On Saturday, March 21, 2020, 02:39:02 AM GMT+2, Marvin Lauwasser via Groups.Jewishgen.Org <vin17246=aol.com@...> wrote:


I'm a 74 year old with 3 decades of PC usage but never fully got into the social media thing (maybe a toe but not both feet).  I too don't know how best to deploy a hashtag.  It's seems quite searchable and I found this site on the general usage.
https://blog.hootsuite.com/how-to-use-hashtags/
I wonder though if usage on the JewishGen Discussion Group has specific idiosyncrasies. 
I'm a novice in posting items so I'm not sure if this is going only to Shelley or the entire world of JG.
If the latter, maybe some experienced hashtagger could OK the searched article and indicate how it'd work here.

thanks
Marvin Lauwasser
Milwaukee
LAUWASSER, WICHINSKY, AARON, COHN,ABRAMOWITZ, rEJOWIEC, SOKOLY


Re: Fancy Jewish Wedding in NYC circa 1932 #usa

donlondon1@...
 

The Waldorf


Re: Can I assume ROSENBLUMs buried in Brisker cemetery section came from Brest?

Renee Steinig
 

Hi Judy,

I saw on your tree on Ancestry that Jacob died in Nov. 1944. Indeed, that date falls within one of the periods for which New Jersey deaths are not indexed on Ancestry and FamilySearch, but the death record should be available. If you happen to live within range of Trenton, NJ, the best way to get it is to visit the NJ State Archives (https://libguides.njstatelib.org/genealogynjsl/njsa) -- once it reopens, that is; or find someone to search there for you. (The Archives doesn't respond to mail requests for that time period.) Alternatively, you should be able to order the record from the NJ Dept. of Health (https://www.state.nj.us/health/vital/order-vital/genealogical-records/). 

As Karen Schneider mentioned, a photograph of Jacob's grave might also be helpful. It may show Jacob's father's name, as part of his Hebrew name. It could also be interesting to know the Jewish name of your grandmother's brothers. Perhaps one was named for Jacob's father. (Per Annie Pistchal's death record on FamilySearch, her father was something like Churna. If Annie was indeed Jacob's sister, perhaps his son Charles was named for "Churna.")  Annie P.'s grave at Mount Judah Cemetery is pictured on JewishData; unfortunately, it has no Hebrew inscriptions.

As for the society on whose grounds Jacob and Anna are buried... It's the Brisker Unterstuetzungs Verein. A list of that landsmanshaft's members -- including your great-grandparents! -- is at https://www.jewishgen.org/belarus/lists/brisker_verein.htm . The society was formed by immigrants from what's now Brest, Belarus: https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/community.php?usbgn=-1941830 .

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills NY
genmaven@...

Judy Kaufman <judykaufman7@...> wrote:

I am having a terrible time finding out where my great grandparents Jacob Rosenblum and Anna Friedman come from.  Their names are just too common - I find multiple people with those names and around their birth dates on ship logs, in JewishGen data bases, etc.  And in censuses, marriage certificates, etc. they just say they're from "Russia." 

According to findagrave, they are both buried in the "Brisker plot" of Mount Zion Cemetery in Maspeth, Queens.  (I know that Brisker is another name for the town of Brest, now in Belarus.)  Does this mean that at least one of them comes from the Brest area?

For those interested, some more details about my quest:

Jacob's sister is Annie Rosenblum (living with him in 1900 census) and she is equally difficult to track - I have found an Anna Rosenbloom of the right age married to a man Israel Pistchalsky/Pistchalsk/Pistchal from Kubrin, which is about 29 miles from Brest...  And her mother's given name on her death certificate is the given name (Jennie) of my grandmother (Annie's niece) so I'm tempted to declare that she is the right Anna Rosenblum, sister of Jacob, and that would be another connection to the Brest area, but I would like more evidence.

I can't find a marriage certificate for Jacob Rosenblum and Anna Friedman, and he died in NJ during the period when NJ death certificates are not available so I can't get his parents' names.

Anna Friedman's parents from her death certificate are Solomon Friedman and Sarah Cohen - again, way too common to help much with research...


Re: Can I assume ROSENBLUMs buried in Brisker cemetery section came from Brest?

Karen <kgschneider@...>
 

Judy, I don't know if having a photograph of the headstones would assist, but I see Mount Zion offers to take pictures if you send or call them with the location of the graves. Findagrave does not have the locations, but the cemetery's own website did provide them. And perhaps the cemetery might also be able to answer your question about what "Brisker" is referring to. You did not give the dates that Jacob and Anna died, but I assume these are the correct locations because they are the only ones in the Brisker section that you mentioned. 
Rosenblum, Jacob (Buried 12/1/1944) Location: 14R-7-60-627
Rosenblum, Anna (Buried 4/12/1938) Location:14R-7-22-627
You'll see you can pull these up  from the Mount Zion database search function: http://www.mountzioncemetery.com/search.asp?type=interment

And then Mt. Zion's write-up in the Findagrave cemetery contains directions for requesting the photographs through the cemetery. Of course, you can also request photographs through Findagrave, but I do not know how long that would take for such a large cemetery: https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/65385/mount-zion-cemetery 

Good luck,
Karen Gregar Schneider

Researching:
Gregar/Groger - Horepnik, Czechia and Amsterdam, New York
Popper - Amsterdam, New York


Re: Fancy Jewish Wedding in NYC circa 1932 #usa

Sherri Bobish
 
Edited

Hi David,

I suggest looking at the social pages of The NY Times for that time period.  If the bride and/or groom were well-to-do than there was often a detailed write-up which might include venue, names of guests, and descriptions of what the bride wore.

Regards,   Sherri Bobish, Princeton, NJ


Re: Hashtag

Marvin Lauwasser
 

I'm a 74 year old with 3 decades of PC usage but never fully got into the social media thing (maybe a toe but not both feet).  I too don't know how best to deploy a hashtag.  It's seems quite searchable and I found this site on the general usage.
https://blog.hootsuite.com/how-to-use-hashtags/
I wonder though if usage on the JewishGen Discussion Group has specific idiosyncrasies. 
I'm a novice in posting items so I'm not sure if this is going only to Shelley or the entire world of JG.
If the latter, maybe some experienced hashtagger could OK the searched article and indicate how it'd work here.

thanks
Marvin Lauwasser
Milwaukee
LAUWASSER, WICHINSKY, AARON, COHN,ABRAMOWITZ, rEJOWIEC, SOKOLY


Re: New Mailing List Format

The Becker's Email
 

I agree.  I don’t know what a hashtag is or how to use and why this appears to be necessary. 

 

Johanna Becker.

Newport, RI

 


Re: Carol Skydell z"l #JewishGenUpdates

S&D Hirschhorn <sdh2381@...>
 

Because of a new computer I have missed several days of mail from JewishGen.  I was so sorry to learn of the loss of Carol Skydell.  My husband Don and I spent many good hours with Carol working on various things to do with JewishGen way back.  She was a lovely woman and very important to JewishGen at the beginning.

 

Sandy Hirschhorn

Sdh2381@...

Monroe Twp., NJ


Seeking help from a resident of Fremont, California #usa

Beverley Davis
 

Trying to locate informaton about the death of my 90-year-old cousin Herbert Norman NAGEL who lived in Fremont, California. He died between September 2019 and March 2020. I would be very grateful for information (?newspaper obituary, ?other source) from anyone who lives in Fremont. I have contacted a couple of local cemeteries but they could not find any record. Please send any messages to me privately, and not to the group.

Beverley Davis in Melbourne, Australia
beverleydavis@netspace.net.au


Re: New Mailing List Format - How to find and identify GerSIG messages Hashtags ( # ) are not complicated #germany

JewishGen German Research Division Coordinator
 

Please add #Germany to the subject of your Email to this list when your message is about German families or of probable interest to German Jewish researchers.


Thanks,

John Paul Lowens - GerSIGmod


Re: Carol Skydell z"l #JewishGenUpdates

Diane Jacobs
 

I didn't know Carol Skydell very well but visited her at her home in California many years ago when I discovered that she was related to my husband's first cousin's husband through the Wagner- Feldherr family.

Diane Jacobs 
Somerset Nj

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Hank Mishkoff <Hank@...>
Date: 3/19/20 10:59 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@...
Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] Carol Skydell z"l #jewishgen #jewishgennews #moderators

Oh my, Carol was the first person with whom I worked closely when I started doing volunteer work for JewishGen all those decades ago. According to my archives, my first email from Carol was in June of 1999, when she asked me to develop something that now seems to be called the Wall of Honor -- which, I notice, dates back to September 1999. She was ALWAYS an absolute pleasure to work with, and she was always the first person to whom I'd turn to grouse about problems I might be having dealing with other people. She was unrelentingly cheerful, professional, and helpful. I haven't exchanged notes with her for some time, but now that she's gone I miss her just the same.
--
Diane Jacobs


Re: Fancy Jewish Wedding in NYC circa 1932 #usa

Diane Jacobs
 

Best place to check is Proquest database thru your library. Search all the big US newspapers.

Diane jacobs



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-------- Original message --------
From: David Laskin <laskin.david@...>
Date: 3/20/20 10:44 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@...
Subject: [JewishGen.org] Fancy Jewish Wedding in NYC circa 1932

I writing a Jewish-themed novel and one of the families depicted in
the book are extremely wealthy German-Jewish bankers living in NYC in
the first decades of the last century -- think the families Stephen
Birmingham wrote about in "Our Crowd" -- Loeb, Lehman, Guggenheim,
etc. The daughter of this family has a big splashy wedding in 1932 --
after the crash (that crash). Where would the wedding likely take
place -- I'm thinking big hotel, but if so which? Or would a private
town house or estate be more likely? Thanks and safe healthy!

David Laskin, Seattle, WA
--
Diane Jacobs


Can I assume ROSENBLUMs buried in Brisker cemetery section came from Brest?

Judy Kaufman
 

I am having a terrible time finding out where my great grandparents Jacob Rosenblum and Anna Friedman come from.  Their names are just too common - I find multiple people with those names and around their birth dates on ship logs, in JewishGen data bases, etc.  And in censuses, marriage certificates, etc. they just say they're from "Russia." 

According to findagrave, they are both buried in the "Brisker plot" of Mount Zion Cemetery in Maspeth, Queens.  (I know that Brisker is another name for the town of Brest, now in Belarus.)  Does this mean that at least one of them comes from the Brest area?

For those interested, some more details about my quest:

Jacob's sister is Annie Rosenblum (living with him in 1900 census) and she is equally difficult to track - I have found an Anna Rosenbloom of the right age married to a man Israel Pistchalsky/Pistchalsk/Pistchal from Kubrin, which is about 29 miles from Brest...  And her mother's given name on her death certificate is the given name (Jennie) of my grandmother (Annie's niece) so I'm tempted to declare that she is the right Anna Rosenblum, sister of Jacob, and that would be another connection to the Brest area, but I would like more evidence.

 I can't find a marriage certificate for Jacob Rosenblum and Anna Friedman, and he died in NJ during the period when NJ death certificates are not available so I can't get his parents' names.

Anna Friedman's parents from her death certificate are Solomon Friedman and Sarah Cohen - again, way too common to help much with research...

Judy Kaufman

ROSENBLUM
FRIEDMAN
COHEN
LEIDERMAN (Khashchuvatye)
KONIPOL (Khaschuvatye)
WEINSTEIN (Sokolow-Malopolski)
RINENHEIM (Sokolow-Malopolski)
RASKIN (Chernigor)
SCHIMAYATZSKY(Chernigor)


Re: Need help to find LDS film digital record from JGS Ukr database hyperlink #ukraine

Alan Shuchat
 

Susana and anyone else who would like to know how to do this kind of search:

On JewishGen, the film/item number is given as 2423962/7. Clicking on the link 2423962 opens a page with 977 images,
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS9L-BSLK-C

It is divided into items, separated by black squares. Scroll through until you find the black square that begins item 7. It's image 796. It says in Russian that it's for the city of Nikolaev (Г. Николаев), in Nikolaev Oblast (district, Область), for the year 1895. It also gives the numbers 1484/1/1480 that identify the record book in the archive. 

Next, F266 means female birth #266 in item 7. The columns at the left of the record pages are labeled Мужскаго for males and Женскаго for females. So you need to scroll through the images in item 7 until you find 266 in the Женскаго column. This record is included in image 921 and it is on page 62 of the record book. The direct link to the page is
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS9L-BSPX-Q?i=920

The record is in Russian and Hebrew, since the Jewish records were created at the crown rabbinate in Nikolaev. It's interesting that in Russian the newborn is named Sosya (Сося) but in Hebrew she is Sosa (סאסא).  

Incidentally, 2423962 is the number of the microfilm, but when you open the image file it says film # 007807321. This is the number for the digital image (DGS) of the physical microfilm. The catalog at FamilySearch.org lists both numbers.

Alan Shuchat

Newton, MA

SHUKHAT (Talnoe, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka), Pogrebishche)

VINOKUR (Talnoe), KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)

ZILBERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets), BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolskiy)

KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)


Re: CONVOY 68 OF FEBRUARY 10th 1944 FROM DRANCY TO AUSCHWITZ #france #holocaust

Corinna Woehrl
 

Dear Evelyne and list-readers,

yes, in my family, too, I found a member who perished arriving in Auschwitz with transport 68 from Drancy. I am desperately looking for more information on her life.

Dina GOSLAR was my Great-Aunt, of whom in my fathers' generation the knowledge was completely lost: She was one of 8 children of Pinnicus Bernhard GOSLAR and Friedchen WURZBURG. In the database, a birthname Hecht is mentioned, yet I haven't found any clues for a marriage. This is the information I have on her life:

- Dina visited the "Ernestinenschule" in Luebeck from easter 1890 to Easter 1897
- from 10.1902 to 10.1903 she worked in (Bad) Ems as an assistant housekeeper in the Jewish Orphanage
- in 1911 she moved to Hamburg to be a student nurse at the University Hospital
- in 1915 she moved to Berlin - in the directories she can later be found as "Oberschwester" (Head-nurse)
- several visits to Luebeck, mostly in times of illness/death of family-members
- she left Germany via Hamburg with Ilse Kotzulla and lived in Beaufort en Vallee

(Her sister Jenny, married to Maurice Dazy lived in Paris around 1912, and later moved to Nantes where she died in1967)

Even the tiniest clue is appreciated!
Regards from Germany



Re: Fancy Jewish Wedding in NYC circa 1932 #usa

Renee Steinig
 

Some locations I've seen in New York Times wedding announcements from the 1930s: the Plaza and Savoy-Plaza hotels in Manhattan, the Century Club in White Plains.

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills NY
genmaven@...


David Laskin <laskin.david@...> wrote:

I writing a Jewish-themed novel and one of the families depicted in
the book are extremely wealthy German-Jewish bankers living in NYC in
the first decades of the last century -- think the families Stephen
Birmingham wrote about in "Our Crowd" -- Loeb, Lehman, Guggenheim,
etc. The daughter of this family has a big splashy wedding in 1932 --
after the crash (that crash). Where would the wedding likely take
place -- I'm thinking big hotel, but if so which? Or would a private
town house or estate be more likely? Thanks and safe healthy!


Need help to find LDS film digital record from JGS Ukr database hyperlink #640746 #ukraine

Gary Pokrassa
 

Dear Susana Rubin

Sorry I cannot seem to be able to hit a response to your message either private or otherwise so here is the document you requested

To the moderator - there does not seem to be a button to respond either privately or by posting to the group

Gary Pokrassa
Data Acquisition Director
Ukraine Research Group