Re: Szmul vs Szlama #names

Shelley Mitchell

As I have family who are both, my Shmul translates to Samuel and my Szloma/Szlomo translates to Simon. As a bonus, my Zalman translates to Solomon. But I have no idea if this is common.

Shelley Mitchell
Shelley Mitchell 

New Databases on IGRA’s Website #israel

Elena Bazes

The Israel Genealogy Research Association (IGRA) has just released new databases on its website. There are over 1,500,000 listings available in our databases. With each release we provide a variety of records to our collection.


A preview of the databases is available at


Beit Hameiri, Safed, Card Catalog     109 Listings


Rosh Pina Census 1886     198 Listings


Deportation 1914-1917       81 Listings


Residents of Tel Aviv 1918-1920     4,390 Listings


Settlers and Founders   Pardes Hanna     669 Listings


Students of Alliance, Morocco, Fes and Demante  1917-1964     3,292 Listings


Medals, Awards, Star Decorations to British Soldiers  1939/1943   Palestine      135 Listings


Immigrants   1940         5,335 Listings


World Zionist Congress Delegates   1961     2,256 Listings



Before viewing the databases, please register for free on the IGRA website:


Please note, the IGRA databases are now searchable to all registrants. The search results page is also available to all registrants. Additional details regarding most databases are available only to paid IGRA members. Certain exceptions exist due to requests of the specific archives.



To view the databases, go to the database tab on the website.

Elena Biegel Bazes

IGRA Publicity Chair

Re: New Mailing List Format

Sarah L Meyer

Many older people do genealogy and are not familiar with hashtags.  I suggest that if one is required, we be able to create our own.  If there is an obvious spelling error let the computer fix it (ie Germny instead of Germany) but otherwise let the people who have little computer skills (just read and write email) alone.  You can do the hashtags and while I do not generally use them, I could manage one that seems relevant.  But when people ask about a particular family name that may have been in 10 countries I do not think that anything other than the family name should be the hashtag!

Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania

#poland - Searching for HALLAY, ZAGON and DIMANSKY (Ortelsburg) #poland

Ze'ev Itzhak Tschan

I am stuck with my search for my grandparents in #Poland and am searching for help. Here is what I know, starting at my grandmother:

Maria HALLAY, born 10.3.1904 in Rotthausen (Gelsenkirchen) –> my grandmother
- Johann HALLAY, born 19.10.1872 in Swietajno (Poland) -> her father
---- Wilhelm HALLAY, born 1848 in Swietajno (Poland) -> his father
---- mother unkknown
- Wilhelmine ZAGON, born 27.1.1880 in Szimanky (Poland) -> her mother

---- Adam ZAGON, died 6.4.1918 -> her father
---- Amortha Dimansky -> her mother

I would also be grateful for the eMail-Address of a professional researcher who is specialized on this region in Poland.

Thank you!

[Ze'ev Itzhak Tschan, Har Adar, Israel]

Children named after their living parents #general

charles goldenzon

This 1830 Ozarow marriage record,detail,104490,14, found in Genbaza, is of Rubin Goldblum and Matla Goldsztajn. I have strong reasons to believe that this 1835,detail,104482,2 and this 1838,detail,104495,9 Ozarow birth records, found in Genbaza, relate to the same couple, despite one being Goldblum and the other Goldsztajn. 

But what puzzles me is the fact that in the former, the newborn is named after his LIVING father Rubin, whereas in the latter, the newborn is named after her LIVING mother Matla. Neither of the above records indicates that Rubin Sr. or Matla Sr. had an ancestor with those names. 

Is there a particular context for Rubin and Matla to have named their children after themselves?


Charles Goldenzon
Rio de Janeiro, Brazil

Re: I'd like to know their dates of birth and death and where in what is now Germany they were born #germany

Andreas Schwab

Schwarzenau is now part of the municipality of Bad Berleburg.
Have you contacted the city of Bad Berlelburg? They will have BMD records starting 1876 and possibly residence registration data. 

The town archivist is

Rikarde Riedesel
Kultur und Erwachsenenbildung
Poststraße 42
57319 Bad Berleburg
Telefon: +49-2751-923-232
Fax: +49-2751-923-17-232
E-Mail: r.riedesel@...

Re: Szmul vs Szlama #names

Sheila Toffell

All variations of the same name. The  Szlama translation would sound like Shloymeh. It was how the person entering the record heard it. Samuel was his formal, legal name and Shmuel his Yiddish / Hebrew name. Whoever was giving the registrar the info at some point in time probably gave their own version. The actual dates of events varied, bc the Jewish calendar was being used to remember when a lifetime event happened. For example, my maternal GM was officially born on May 1st, 1886 but it she was probably born around Shavuot and May was a calculation.

GROSZ from B Aranyos or Barkazo #austria-czech

Moishe Miller

Dear Group,

I hope you are all safe and healthy.

I am researching the family of my great-grandmother, Sarah (Sally)
Schonfeld nee Miller (1879-1952) who was born in Tisza Keresceny.
Gratefully, the volunteers and professional team at JewishGen have
indexed the town records and provided a link to the FHC digital images.

When I search for
Surname (phonetically like) : GROSS AND
Town (phonetically like) : KERESCENY AND
Givenname (phonetically like) : SALAMON AND
Surname (phonetically like) : SCHONFELD

I get 3 results, my g-gm and two of her siblings. Her record, recorded
as Zalie, has no comments. However, her siblings give their parents
birth towns. For Solomon (Shlome Schonfeld/Miller) it lists his town of
birth as Lenarto(v), which I am familiar with and is in Saros county,
present-day Slovakia. For their mother, Hani (Chaya) Grosz, the comments
list her birth town as either B. Aranyos or Barkazo.

Does anyone know the current name and location of B Aranyos or Barkazo?
Are they the same place? Is it really "Barkazo Aranyos"?

Thank you,

Moishe Miller
Brooklyn, NY

#Holocaust #Döbrököz #Tolna #holocaust #holocaust

Alex Magocsi

While researching the Roman Catholic side of my family, I came upon 11 names of Jews who "disappeared" from the town of Döbrököz, Tolna County, in 1944.
The names were added to the Civil Records of the town in 1949.  
If anyone is interested, the names can be found on LDS Film 2377528, images 202 and 203.
I unfortunately cannot read the names, otherwise I would add them here.

Alex Magocsi

Re: #germany Kindertransport Relatives / Saxony / Chemnitz #germany #holocaust

Judith Diamond

See book - Pa vag till Israel by Emil Gluck, or English version (Hachshara and Youth Aliyah in Sweden 1933-1948).  

Judith Diamond, London, Uk


Re: Can I assume ROSENBLUMs buried in Brisker cemetery section came from Brest?


Dear Judy,
Your family may even have roots in Tuszyn, Poland as the surname Rosenblum is here as well.

Please, write to me,

Robert Kobylarczyk,

Re: Szmul vs Szlama #names

Bernard Flam

I reply in English even both of us are in France, nobody is perfect...
Dear Sandrine,
My first point is about your "naturalization record" : do you mean only reference of the "decree" published in our "Journal Officiel", "Republic official publication of any law and decisions" ? or did you get copy of the full naturalization file (about 20 to 30 documents) which is kept in National Archives at Pierrefitte near Paris ?
When you get access to full file, you have often official copy and translation of any vital records (birth, marriage, ) and of course a lot others data as siblings list, place of living since they left Poland, ... 
If needed, I can explain how to access these naturalization files in French National Archives (closed of course till further notice due to epidemic) :
Concerning given names, a lot of our Russian/Polish ancestors had 2, 3 or 4 names : their Hebraic birth given name, their Yiddish given name, their "Polish" given name (Aron= Arnek, Wolf = Wacek, Czarna = Cesia, ..) and a 4th when they arrived in France : young Szmul were often called Emile, Isaac was Ignace and Moshe, Maurice..
As a volunteer, I manage a monthly workshop of Jewish genealogy of our Yiddishland's families at Centre Medem : please feel free to ask your questions.
Abi gezunt
Bernard Flam      ampere.boxes@...    Archives & History of Medem Center - Arbeter Ring (Workmen Circle) of France

Re: #germany Kindertransport Relatives / Saxony / Chemnitz #germany #holocaust

Carole Shaw

Harvey Kaplan of Glasgow asked - what was the original question?


Someone had posted in a digest some days/weeks previously if anyone had information on the relatives of Kindertransportees to the UK, in particular from these areas of Germany. Several people replied, including myself, pointing the enquirer to possible sources of information.


Carole Shaw

London UK.




Re: Szmul vs Szlama #names

Israel P

Samuel and Solomon are not the same names. But that does not mean that one person could not have used both at different times.

Israel Pickholtz

My genealogy research is electric.
It follows the path of least resistance.

Searching For JONAS/YONASH family from Tashnad and Transylvania #austria-czech #romania

Robert Tachna

I am searching for anyone who is a member of the JONAS family from
Tashnad in Transylvania and in any other area of Transylvania in the old
Austrian-Hungarian empire and present day Romania.  The phonetic
spelling is YONASH.

Thank you,
Robert Tachna

Re: Carol Skydell z"l #JewishGenUpdates

Israel P

I was saddened to read of the passing of my first genealogy mentor, former JewishGen VP Carol Skydell.

I blogged a few years ago about one of our first interactions, when I found the grave of her great-grandmother and namesake.

Israel Pickholtz

Re: Seeking help from a resident of Fremont, California #usa

Beverley Davis

A big thankyou to all the members of JewishGen who have contacted me. I now have the information I was seeking.

May we all get safely through the current world-wide emergency.
Beverley Davis in Melbourne, Australia

Re: #germany Kindertransport Relatives / Saxony / Chemnitz #germany #holocaust

rv Kaplan

what was the original question?

Harvey Kaplan


On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 at 20:45, Carole Shaw <carole.shaw1952@...> wrote:
There have been numerous talks in GB given by surviving Kindertransportees during the past 18 months to commemorate the 80-year anniversary of Kristallnacht. 

Contact Jewish Museum, Association for Jewish Refugees, JW3, Wiener Library, Holocaust Memorial Day - all reachable by search on the web. They'll all be able to help. May not respond so quickly due to virus-related home working/closure.

Carole Shaw, London UK
SCHNEIDER: Kamanets Podolsk, Ukraine & Libava/ Libau/Liepaja, Latvia
KLUGMAN, GOLDSCHMID (plus variations), BRAUER: Libava/Libau/Liepaja, Latvia & Johannesburg
SAMSON, BLIK: Amsterdam, Zandvoort, Holland

Re: Szmul vs Szlama #names

Sandrine S

A nice fellow searcher has made me realized that I had not given any details about locations and languages used in the records... my mistake ! 
Actually my search has started here in France with a naturalization record which read Samuel as given name, born around 1885 in Biala Podlaska, Poland (actually stated "Russia" within the record). Then I found his death record, in Strasbourg, France, given name = Samuel, estimated birthdate 1883 (still same parents though...). Next finding, his marriage in Budapest, Hungary, given name = Sámuel Schmul, estimated birthdate 1884. 
In Biala Podlaska records, I has been able to find his parents birth and marriage records as well as all? his siblings birth records, but no trace of a Schmul or Szmul or even cyrillic Шмуль in any birth record around the estimated date. The most probable would be the birth record of Szlama (translation on JRI Poland database of the cyrillic Шляма), born 1887.
Hoping this timeline would help. 

Sandrine Salson

Re: Can I assume ROSENBLUMs buried in Brisker cemetery section came from Brest?

Lin Mor

Unless you have proof in some other way to verify your theory, it is still a theory. But keep in mind that if it is not them, there is probably some connection. Case in point are my paternal grandparents. He was from Oshmyany and she was from Shchuchyn, both now in Belarus. Yet, they are buried in the Skidler Benevolent Association section of Beth David Cemetery, Elmont, NY. From research over time, including questioning very elderly relatives a long time ago, I learned that my grandmother's cousin, Elsie was married to Isodore Radin who came from Skidler. To make a long story short, my grandparents purchased two plots and are buried next to the Radins as well as Elsie's daughter, Frances Handsman and her husband.   

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