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Re: UK surname online search #general

Sheila Toffell
 

I wish! There is no such search engine on the scale of JRI-PL. Their
records were gleaned >from the Mormon archives and uploaded by volunteers,
more currently data is being uploaded >from agreements with the authorities
in Poland.

The website http://freebmd.rootsweb.com sometimes gets you a hit. The
volunteers there are going through the UK archives page by page, area by
area. If you are lucky, you will get a match on Freebmd, and that will give
you dates, document location, volume and page numbers. Just remember that
some names are not just Jewish ones, and so a name like my Aunt's, Annie
Harris, who born in Mile End Old Town around 1900 produced more than one
hit. That is when you have to get at the actual records. There are no
details given.

The reality is that apart >from the census, there is not much you can do
apart >from either going to the archives in the UK or paying them to do
research for you. A lot of stuff was lost due to bombing in WW2, which
doesn't help, and also the British authorities were somewhat shortsighted in
what they deemed important documents, so many immigration and natz papers
were destroyed. Consequently, as far as I know there is scant information
about ships lists, immigration docs >from ports of entry, etc etc. I would
be delighted if someone could tell me I'm wrong!

Sheila Toffell
Glen Rock NJ
Ex. Clapton, London, E5

<alexallen@...> wrote

My maternal grandmother left Bessarabia in the early 1900s, following
several aunts, sisters and brothers to London (where they settled), and she
eventually on to New York. I have been unsuccessful in locationg an online
index for searching UK immigration, naturalisation, marriage, birth or death
records by surname online? I read the Beginner's Guide to Jewish Genealogy
in Great Britain pamphlet that I bought at a Jewishgen convention & I've
examined the [familyrecords.gov.uk] site. Both suggest that you can search
for surnames online, but I'm stumped on locating an index (along the lines of
JRI-Poland) of records that are available for any of those categories of vital
documents. Any assistance will appreciated.

BERGSTREIT, DORMAN, ERSTLING from Brzezany #general

Diane Paul <diane.paul2@...>
 

I am researching Brzezany and have quite a bit of background. If anyone
knows of the DORFMAN, BERGSTREIT or ERSTLING families >from this area, I
would like to hear >from them. They are my mother's family. She had a number
of Bergstreit aunts, including triplets and I cannot find records of
marriages, so have only maiden names.
Diane Paul
Manchester, England
diane.paul2@...

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE:UK surname online search #general

Sheila Toffell
 

I wish! There is no such search engine on the scale of JRI-PL. Their
records were gleaned >from the Mormon archives and uploaded by volunteers,
more currently data is being uploaded >from agreements with the authorities
in Poland.

The website http://freebmd.rootsweb.com sometimes gets you a hit. The
volunteers there are going through the UK archives page by page, area by
area. If you are lucky, you will get a match on Freebmd, and that will give
you dates, document location, volume and page numbers. Just remember that
some names are not just Jewish ones, and so a name like my Aunt's, Annie
Harris, who born in Mile End Old Town around 1900 produced more than one
hit. That is when you have to get at the actual records. There are no
details given.

The reality is that apart >from the census, there is not much you can do
apart >from either going to the archives in the UK or paying them to do
research for you. A lot of stuff was lost due to bombing in WW2, which
doesn't help, and also the British authorities were somewhat shortsighted in
what they deemed important documents, so many immigration and natz papers
were destroyed. Consequently, as far as I know there is scant information
about ships lists, immigration docs >from ports of entry, etc etc. I would
be delighted if someone could tell me I'm wrong!

Sheila Toffell
Glen Rock NJ
Ex. Clapton, London, E5

<alexallen@...> wrote

My maternal grandmother left Bessarabia in the early 1900s, following
several aunts, sisters and brothers to London (where they settled), and she
eventually on to New York. I have been unsuccessful in locationg an online
index for searching UK immigration, naturalisation, marriage, birth or death
records by surname online? I read the Beginner's Guide to Jewish Genealogy
in Great Britain pamphlet that I bought at a Jewishgen convention & I've
examined the [familyrecords.gov.uk] site. Both suggest that you can search
for surnames online, but I'm stumped on locating an index (along the lines of
JRI-Poland) of records that are available for any of those categories of vital
documents. Any assistance will appreciated.

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen BERGSTREIT, DORMAN, ERSTLING from Brzezany #general

Diane Paul <diane.paul2@...>
 

I am researching Brzezany and have quite a bit of background. If anyone
knows of the DORFMAN, BERGSTREIT or ERSTLING families >from this area, I
would like to hear >from them. They are my mother's family. She had a number
of Bergstreit aunts, including triplets and I cannot find records of
marriages, so have only maiden names.
Diane Paul
Manchester, England
diane.paul2@...

Moravian KAUNITZ family #austria-czech

Karen Cecilio <kcecilio@...>
 

Hello,

I am doing research on my husband's line, KAUNITZ. Most of my research takes
me back as far as parts of western Hungary/Slovakia, mostly Trencsin and
Nyitra Megye (counties). But the family seems to have arrived there in the
very late 1780s.

It is my theory that the family originated in Moravia, >from the estates of
the noble Christian family, the Counts von Kaunitz. (Wenzel Anton Kounitz,
for instance, >from 1753 until his retirement in 1792 served the Hapsburg
rulers, Maria Theresa, Joseph II, and Leopold II, as chancellor and foreign
minister.)

I believe this line of Jewish Kaunitzs may have left Moravia because of the
Familianten laws, and traveled as many did to Hungary, taking the name KAUNITZ
as that is where they may have been from.

I have found very little information about the Jews who lived in the town of
Dolni Kaunice or on the Kaunitz estates, how vast those estates were, the
conditions of Jews on these lands, the relationship between the noble Kaunitzs
and the jews on their land, etc. If anyone knows of any information that may
be helpful to me, I would very much like to hear >from you, off list.

Thanks so much,

Karen Cecilio
Akron, Ohio USA

KAUNITZ of Moravia, Banovce nad Bebravou (Baan), Hungary, etc.

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Moravian KAUNITZ family #austria-czech

Karen Cecilio <kcecilio@...>
 

Hello,

I am doing research on my husband's line, KAUNITZ. Most of my research takes
me back as far as parts of western Hungary/Slovakia, mostly Trencsin and
Nyitra Megye (counties). But the family seems to have arrived there in the
very late 1780s.

It is my theory that the family originated in Moravia, >from the estates of
the noble Christian family, the Counts von Kaunitz. (Wenzel Anton Kounitz,
for instance, >from 1753 until his retirement in 1792 served the Hapsburg
rulers, Maria Theresa, Joseph II, and Leopold II, as chancellor and foreign
minister.)

I believe this line of Jewish Kaunitzs may have left Moravia because of the
Familianten laws, and traveled as many did to Hungary, taking the name KAUNITZ
as that is where they may have been from.

I have found very little information about the Jews who lived in the town of
Dolni Kaunice or on the Kaunitz estates, how vast those estates were, the
conditions of Jews on these lands, the relationship between the noble Kaunitzs
and the jews on their land, etc. If anyone knows of any information that may
be helpful to me, I would very much like to hear >from you, off list.

Thanks so much,

Karen Cecilio
Akron, Ohio USA

KAUNITZ of Moravia, Banovce nad Bebravou (Baan), Hungary, etc.

Schutzjuden Statistics Bohemia, 1793 - Part 2 #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

I ended Part 1 with this sentence: So, who were these non-Schutzjuden? I
fine-toothcombed through the 1793 census of Bohemia to find a pattern and
present my findings in Part II.

I have found the following:

1. Tobacco business: Many, but not all, the Tabaktrafikant or Tabakverleger
appear to be without Schutz - perhaps because they already paid a high duty to
have this honour? Sometimes, they and their families were the only Jewish
inhabitants of a Koniglische Juden-frei town. A note for Israel SCHUTZ of
Rausowitz, Budweiser Kreis, states that he had settled there, exempt, as he
was an ex? Tabaktrafikant; but this was not accepted and attempts were being
made to evict him. Israel SCHUTZ, we are told, is geschutzt [protected] by
the Tabakscomisariat. So this supports my first sentence.

2. Immigrants/visitors [temporary] or teachers >from Moravia, Poland/Galicia
and Germany: In the Prachiner Kreis, for example, Wolf BERNARD (a teacher in
Drhowl) is listed as having no Schutz and being there on temporary basis
[ie "on contract" perhaps?]. Similarly listed is Moises DAVID >from Poland -
a private teacher with Lobl FANTL in the Herrschaft Libeigitz. Seligmann RAPP,
another school master >from Frankfurt, has no Schutz whilst teaching in Strakonitz.

In the Konigliche Stadt Schuttenhofen [Susice] again we find the teacher
Juda SCHWARZKOPF without Schutz.

3. Rabbis: In the above town, rabbi Josef SLATIN is without Schutz. The
Bohemian rabbis of 1793 sometimes, but not always, did not have Schutz status -
perhaps they were *toleriert or privilegiert* and thus considered as part
of the essential structure of the Jewish community who paid for them with
their dues?

4. Occasionally, we find families or individuals without Schutz living in
a Gut [estate or village/ town]. Sometimes there is a footnote re their
status. If the Schutzherr has died, that could account for some instances.
A good example is in Lintz/Linz Herrschaft {Mlynce} in the Saatzer Kreis
where all the 11 families were without Schutz. A visit to the district
archives might explain. I assume it is a temporary status and the families
either had to move away or acquired a new landlord.

5. Jews who lived in Christian homes were sometimes deemed without Schutz.
In the Bunzlauer Kreis, this applied to Wolf SEEGER of Chrast and Salamon
REICH, originally >from Pilsen but settled in Bezdieczin. In both cases it
says they were living in the house of a Christian, without the previous
notification of the authorities, and were *thus without Schutz*.

However in the Leitmeritzer Kreis we find in Bohmische Leipa {Ceska Lipa},
Neuschloss Herrschaft, three families living in Christian houses which they
"besitzt und possessionirt" ie occupy and own, and they are under the Schutz
of Neuschloss: Ezechiel MAUTNER and sons Ariel and Raphael [House 168] as
well as Moises HENTSCHL with his five children and Isak PRIESTER who share
House 164.

So I suspect it was SEEGER and REICHs transgression of non-notification,
that branded them without Schutz, not the fact that they lived in a Christian
house.

Surprisingly the following poorer Jews often had Schutz status, which is
mostly associated with the *place of birth*:

A. Domestics - servants, maids and assistants in distilleries, potash
producers, leather tanneries etc. They are often listed with their Schutz
location as different >from their work place. Others may have been considered
as part of the employers' household.

There must have been reciprocal arrangements with the various Schutzherren.
How they transferred their money >from one location to another is a further
mystery. I can hardly conceive of a servant going home on holiday with
saved-up Schutzgeld in their apron pocket to pay the local Schutzherr.
Perhaps a sort of internal "Bohemian Schutzherr Express Service" was in
operation?

B. Surprisingly, many peddlers and itinerants did have Schutz status - the
influx of Pinkel/Binkel Juden >from Galicia in Gut Miskowitz come to mind in
[see footnote].

If we take all these facts into consideration, we can see how the overall
figure of non-Schutzjuden in Bohemia of 1793 [excluding Prague] was just
under 6%.


All in all, we see a picture in Bohemia of 1793 of a very controlled, highly
structured, organised and immobile society - nearly everyone knew their place
and where they belonged. It made for stability, but also for repression and
lack of freedom.

In Part 3, I will discuss other aspects of this complex social structure
including the term *Bestandjude* and the cost of buying a Schutz licence.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Footnote: see archives re my posting of 23 Feb 2005 The Pinkeltrager of Gut
Miskowitz - Tabor Kreis. They all had Schutz although they were very poor
itinerants.

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Schutzjuden Statistics Bohemia, 1793 - Part 2 #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

I ended Part 1 with this sentence: So, who were these non-Schutzjuden? I
fine-toothcombed through the 1793 census of Bohemia to find a pattern and
present my findings in Part II.

I have found the following:

1. Tobacco business: Many, but not all, the Tabaktrafikant or Tabakverleger
appear to be without Schutz - perhaps because they already paid a high duty to
have this honour? Sometimes, they and their families were the only Jewish
inhabitants of a Koniglische Juden-frei town. A note for Israel SCHUTZ of
Rausowitz, Budweiser Kreis, states that he had settled there, exempt, as he
was an ex? Tabaktrafikant; but this was not accepted and attempts were being
made to evict him. Israel SCHUTZ, we are told, is geschutzt [protected] by
the Tabakscomisariat. So this supports my first sentence.

2. Immigrants/visitors [temporary] or teachers >from Moravia, Poland/Galicia
and Germany: In the Prachiner Kreis, for example, Wolf BERNARD (a teacher in
Drhowl) is listed as having no Schutz and being there on temporary basis
[ie "on contract" perhaps?]. Similarly listed is Moises DAVID >from Poland -
a private teacher with Lobl FANTL in the Herrschaft Libeigitz. Seligmann RAPP,
another school master >from Frankfurt, has no Schutz whilst teaching in Strakonitz.

In the Konigliche Stadt Schuttenhofen [Susice] again we find the teacher
Juda SCHWARZKOPF without Schutz.

3. Rabbis: In the above town, rabbi Josef SLATIN is without Schutz. The
Bohemian rabbis of 1793 sometimes, but not always, did not have Schutz status -
perhaps they were *toleriert or privilegiert* and thus considered as part
of the essential structure of the Jewish community who paid for them with
their dues?

4. Occasionally, we find families or individuals without Schutz living in
a Gut [estate or village/ town]. Sometimes there is a footnote re their
status. If the Schutzherr has died, that could account for some instances.
A good example is in Lintz/Linz Herrschaft {Mlynce} in the Saatzer Kreis
where all the 11 families were without Schutz. A visit to the district
archives might explain. I assume it is a temporary status and the families
either had to move away or acquired a new landlord.

5. Jews who lived in Christian homes were sometimes deemed without Schutz.
In the Bunzlauer Kreis, this applied to Wolf SEEGER of Chrast and Salamon
REICH, originally >from Pilsen but settled in Bezdieczin. In both cases it
says they were living in the house of a Christian, without the previous
notification of the authorities, and were *thus without Schutz*.

However in the Leitmeritzer Kreis we find in Bohmische Leipa {Ceska Lipa},
Neuschloss Herrschaft, three families living in Christian houses which they
"besitzt und possessionirt" ie occupy and own, and they are under the Schutz
of Neuschloss: Ezechiel MAUTNER and sons Ariel and Raphael [House 168] as
well as Moises HENTSCHL with his five children and Isak PRIESTER who share
House 164.

So I suspect it was SEEGER and REICHs transgression of non-notification,
that branded them without Schutz, not the fact that they lived in a Christian
house.

Surprisingly the following poorer Jews often had Schutz status, which is
mostly associated with the *place of birth*:

A. Domestics - servants, maids and assistants in distilleries, potash
producers, leather tanneries etc. They are often listed with their Schutz
location as different >from their work place. Others may have been considered
as part of the employers' household.

There must have been reciprocal arrangements with the various Schutzherren.
How they transferred their money >from one location to another is a further
mystery. I can hardly conceive of a servant going home on holiday with
saved-up Schutzgeld in their apron pocket to pay the local Schutzherr.
Perhaps a sort of internal "Bohemian Schutzherr Express Service" was in
operation?

B. Surprisingly, many peddlers and itinerants did have Schutz status - the
influx of Pinkel/Binkel Juden >from Galicia in Gut Miskowitz come to mind in
[see footnote].

If we take all these facts into consideration, we can see how the overall
figure of non-Schutzjuden in Bohemia of 1793 [excluding Prague] was just
under 6%.


All in all, we see a picture in Bohemia of 1793 of a very controlled, highly
structured, organised and immobile society - nearly everyone knew their place
and where they belonged. It made for stability, but also for repression and
lack of freedom.

In Part 3, I will discuss other aspects of this complex social structure
including the term *Bestandjude* and the cost of buying a Schutz licence.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Footnote: see archives re my posting of 23 Feb 2005 The Pinkeltrager of Gut
Miskowitz - Tabor Kreis. They all had Schutz although they were very poor
itinerants.

'Cape West and the Karroo' #southafrica

Saul Issroff <saul@...>
 

The launch of the second publication on 'Cape West and the Karroo' in the
series 'Jewish Life in the SA friends of Beth Hatefusot Country Communities
Project will take place at the Albow Centre Cape Town Tuesday 6 September,
6 p.m.

Dr David Sher, Chairman of the Gitlin Library Committee will open the
accompanying photographic exhibition.

There is a talk that evening 'Byways of Country life 'Irene Friedland

On wednesday, 7th at 7.30 there is a panel 'Memories of Growing up in the
Country' with Dr Hannah Reeve Sanders- Piketberg, Dubbi
Rabinowitz -Worcester and Cecil Jowell on Springbok.

Thursday 8 September 7.30 'Photographs can tell a story- images from
Namaqualand Jewish History'. Selected slides amd talk by Adrienee Folb and
Phyllis Jowell.

Library week will be held at the Gitlin Library Tuesday 6-Thursday 8
September.

I will advise on details of ordering the book when I get the information.

Saul Issroff

South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica 'Cape West and the Karroo' #southafrica

Saul Issroff <saul@...>
 

The launch of the second publication on 'Cape West and the Karroo' in the
series 'Jewish Life in the SA friends of Beth Hatefusot Country Communities
Project will take place at the Albow Centre Cape Town Tuesday 6 September,
6 p.m.

Dr David Sher, Chairman of the Gitlin Library Committee will open the
accompanying photographic exhibition.

There is a talk that evening 'Byways of Country life 'Irene Friedland

On wednesday, 7th at 7.30 there is a panel 'Memories of Growing up in the
Country' with Dr Hannah Reeve Sanders- Piketberg, Dubbi
Rabinowitz -Worcester and Cecil Jowell on Springbok.

Thursday 8 September 7.30 'Photographs can tell a story- images from
Namaqualand Jewish History'. Selected slides amd talk by Adrienee Folb and
Phyllis Jowell.

Library week will be held at the Gitlin Library Tuesday 6-Thursday 8
September.

I will advise on details of ordering the book when I get the information.

Saul Issroff

Posting Photos #ukraine

Sarah L Meyer <Sarahlmeyer@...>
 

Dear Genners
At the Ukraine SIG meeting in Las Vegas, Florence Elman mentioned
that she wanted people to post photos to our website and that they would
stay. She especially encouraged posting of "mystery photos". I have
been to the Ukraine SIG photo page several times recently and have not
found any form or instructions for posting photos.
I would appreciate any information and instructions on how to
contribute photos (or stories) to the Ukraine website.
Sarah L. M. Christiansen
Adel Iowa
Researching: ARONSON, BAUM, BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HAIT, KART, PERCHIK,
SCHLAMOVITCH (>from the Ukraine) ANK(I)ER, BIGOS, GELBFISZ, KARMEL(EK),
PERLSTADT >from Poland

Dear Genners
At the Ukraine SIG meeting in Las Vegas, Florence Elman mentioned
that she wanted people to post photos to our website and that they would
stay. She especially encouraged posting of "mystery photos". I have
been to the Ukraine SIG photo page several times recently and have not
found any form or instructions for posting photos.
I would appreciate any information and instructions on how to
contribute photos (or stories) to the Ukraine website.
Sarah L. M. Christiansen
Adel Iowa
Researching: ARONSON, BAUM, BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HAIT, KART, PERCHIK,
SCHLAMOVITCH (>from the Ukraine) ANK(I)ER, BIGOS, GELBFISZ, KARMEL(EK),
PERLSTADT >from Poland

Moderator's Note: You are right, and for that we do apologize.
For now if you will send them to FREYAB@... - she will make
sure they are posted. We WILL also put instructions there soon.
Thank you for bring that to our attention.

Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Posting Photos #ukraine

Sarah L Meyer <Sarahlmeyer@...>
 

Dear Genners
At the Ukraine SIG meeting in Las Vegas, Florence Elman mentioned
that she wanted people to post photos to our website and that they would
stay. She especially encouraged posting of "mystery photos". I have
been to the Ukraine SIG photo page several times recently and have not
found any form or instructions for posting photos.
I would appreciate any information and instructions on how to
contribute photos (or stories) to the Ukraine website.
Sarah L. M. Christiansen
Adel Iowa
Researching: ARONSON, BAUM, BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HAIT, KART, PERCHIK,
SCHLAMOVITCH (>from the Ukraine) ANK(I)ER, BIGOS, GELBFISZ, KARMEL(EK),
PERLSTADT >from Poland

Dear Genners
At the Ukraine SIG meeting in Las Vegas, Florence Elman mentioned
that she wanted people to post photos to our website and that they would
stay. She especially encouraged posting of "mystery photos". I have
been to the Ukraine SIG photo page several times recently and have not
found any form or instructions for posting photos.
I would appreciate any information and instructions on how to
contribute photos (or stories) to the Ukraine website.
Sarah L. M. Christiansen
Adel Iowa
Researching: ARONSON, BAUM, BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HAIT, KART, PERCHIK,
SCHLAMOVITCH (>from the Ukraine) ANK(I)ER, BIGOS, GELBFISZ, KARMEL(EK),
PERLSTADT >from Poland

Moderator's Note: You are right, and for that we do apologize.
For now if you will send them to FREYAB@... - she will make
sure they are posted. We WILL also put instructions there soon.
Thank you for bring that to our attention.

LERNER___Israil and Rahil LERNER arrived in NYC from Bucharest in 1921 #romania

ewilson4@...
 

Dear List:

Would anyone know of Israil and Rahil LERNER who came >from Bucharest to New
York in 1921?

Hopefully,

Bob Wilson,
Rochester NY
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most heavily used sections of JewishGen. Please search it for others who are
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messages please state whether or not you have searched the JGFF.

Romania SIG #Romania LERNER___Israil and Rahil LERNER arrived in NYC from Bucharest in 1921 #romania

ewilson4@...
 

Dear List:

Would anyone know of Israil and Rahil LERNER who came >from Bucharest to New
York in 1921?

Hopefully,

Bob Wilson,
Rochester NY
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1. Madeleine NORDEMANN, 2. DREYFUS in Marseille. #france

Abraham Blum <blum@...>
 

Dear French SIGers

I look for information about the marriages of Madeleine NORDEMANN from
Hegenheim (15.3.1789 - 5.6.1845(


I look also for the off-spring or living kin of the family George, Aline
and Gaston DREYFUS, who lived 1950 in Marseille.


Abraham Blum
Rishon Lezion Israel
e-mail: blum@...

French SIG #France 1. Madeleine NORDEMANN, 2. DREYFUS in Marseille. #france

Abraham Blum <blum@...>
 

Dear French SIGers

I look for information about the marriages of Madeleine NORDEMANN from
Hegenheim (15.3.1789 - 5.6.1845(


I look also for the off-spring or living kin of the family George, Aline
and Gaston DREYFUS, who lived 1950 in Marseille.


Abraham Blum
Rishon Lezion Israel
e-mail: blum@...

Request for Translations from Polish - Viewmate #poland

HJB <hjb@...>
 

Hi All,

I'm working on my Sadowski family >from Belchatow. All five of
these translations are >from Polish. Please respond to me
directly.

VM6761 - Marriage Record for Estera Szywa Sadowska and Hil
Warszawski from
Belchatow
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6761

VM6762 - Death Record for Abram Sadowski >from Belchatow
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6762

VM6763 - Birth Record for Abram Sadowski >from Belchatow
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6763

VM6764 - Marriage Record for Haja Bina Sadowska & Szlama
Wegielski from
Belchatow
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6764

VM6765 - Birth Records for Icyk Sadowski >from Belchatow
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6765

My thanks in advance for all assistance,

Hazel Boon
Hamilton, ON, Canada

Re: The names "Biniem" and "Benyamin" #general

Michael & Stephanie Kaufman <mkinnj@...>
 

I am not sure >from your spelling, but "Biniem" might be the name "Bunim",
which was a somewhat uncommon name. Some sources I have read say it is of
French origin, meaning "goodness". It was often translated into Benjamin
when Jews immigrated to the US, but it is not the same name.

I hope this helps.

Michael Kaufman

Subject: The names "Biniem" and "Benyamin"
From: "Doug Mason" <dmason@...>
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:33:05 +1000
X-Message-Number: 5

According to family tradition (records for Kurow, Poland are not publicly
available), around 1876 Simha Biniem MANDELBAUM had a son named Benyamin.
Are the names "Biniem" and "Benyamin" variants of one another?

The same family tradition says that Benyamin was not the youngest child.
Is it likely a son would be named after his living father?

Doug Mason
Melbourne
Australia

JRI Poland #Poland Request for Translations from Polish - Viewmate #poland

HJB <hjb@...>
 

Hi All,

I'm working on my Sadowski family >from Belchatow. All five of
these translations are >from Polish. Please respond to me
directly.

VM6761 - Marriage Record for Estera Szywa Sadowska and Hil
Warszawski from
Belchatow
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6761

VM6762 - Death Record for Abram Sadowski >from Belchatow
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6762

VM6763 - Birth Record for Abram Sadowski >from Belchatow
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6763

VM6764 - Marriage Record for Haja Bina Sadowska & Szlama
Wegielski from
Belchatow
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6764

VM6765 - Birth Records for Icyk Sadowski >from Belchatow
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My thanks in advance for all assistance,

Hazel Boon
Hamilton, ON, Canada

JRI Poland #Poland re: The names "Biniem" and "Benyamin" #poland

Michael & Stephanie Kaufman <mkinnj@...>
 

I am not sure >from your spelling, but "Biniem" might be the name "Bunim",
which was a somewhat uncommon name. Some sources I have read say it is of
French origin, meaning "goodness". It was often translated into Benjamin
when Jews immigrated to the US, but it is not the same name.

I hope this helps.

Michael Kaufman

Subject: The names "Biniem" and "Benyamin"
From: "Doug Mason" <dmason@...>
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:33:05 +1000
X-Message-Number: 5

According to family tradition (records for Kurow, Poland are not publicly
available), around 1876 Simha Biniem MANDELBAUM had a son named Benyamin.
Are the names "Biniem" and "Benyamin" variants of one another?

The same family tradition says that Benyamin was not the youngest child.
Is it likely a son would be named after his living father?

Doug Mason
Melbourne
Australia